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Why have so many Americans unfriended America ?

  1. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 3 years ago

    I don't know maybe it's me but I grew up sort of a patriot , family , friends , lovers or  who ever ! Once everyone seemed to love our country ! Since the sixties though , something has drasticaly  changed ,  I for one am ashamed of how be-littling people are to our home land , our country , our freedoms , and is it just the freedom of speech thats to blame ?  I would like to hear honest , heartfelt answers only ! If you only want to bash America , go somewhere else !

    1. John Holden profile image61
      John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I'm not sure how to answer that question without appearing to bash America!

      Perhaps rather than a long essay I'll just repeat a common WWII British mantra about US soldiers, Over paid, Over sexed and Over here.

      I don't think there was any basic objection to any of those, rather the fact that your soldiers would never let us forget it. I think that still holds good to this day.
      It's reflected frequently on these forums that you consider everything about your country and the people to be bigger and better than anybody else, even in the face of contradictory evidence.

      ETA. Apologies, I've just reread your thread title and realise that it wasn't aimed at foreigners but at your fellow Americans.  I'll leave my post standing though for the sake of a good barny lol

      1. ahorseback profile image51
        ahorsebackposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Over paid , over sexed and over here ?   The greatest nation ever known to send it boys to a country , to Save It from Hitler!..........Hmmmm?

        1. John Holden profile image61
          John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Hmm, we had been holding our own, but that's beside the point.
          Your second sentence is much more telling and tends to support the quoted mantra.

        2. Josak profile image61
          Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          You should read the manuals our men were sent with. "British people are not aware of common courtesy there may be times when they will invite both you and a negro serviceman to their home in such instances the negro should decline the invitation." Is it any wonder they didn't get a great impression? Not to mention that anyone who studies our history even a little bit knows we sent troops to fight Hitler and the Japanese because we were concerned about the growing threat they would represent to us, not to save Britain.

          1. Marquis profile image60
            Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Nazi party declared war on America on Dec. 8, 1941. If war is declared on America, then there will be a defense response.

        3. gmwilliams profile image85
          gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          + a multillion percent.   This talk is falling on John's deaf ears.   Talking to him is futile.

    2. teamrn profile image80
      teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That's kind of the way I feel,: if your desire is to bash America or not live by our law (aka. only the Constitution and it's amendments, not movements to update and beautify that document) you still have freedom; FREEDOM TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

      Other countries don't like us; not because we have different religions than they do. And, I don't buy into the  argument, "they don't like us because we have and THEY DON'T."

      I think the reason they don't like us,, is because once we stood for something, we stood for hope, love, where had work got you where you wanted to be, and values and the knowledge that if they tried, one day, they might have what we have. After all, people in other countries are human just like we are.Now they've seen those same values erode and they don't respect us.

      You can't love someone/thing you don't respect. It easily gives rise to a hatred mentality.

      1. Josak profile image61
        Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        AHAHAA no.

        1. Marquis profile image60
          Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, leave America if you are not happy here. No one is holding you. Why not go to Cuba if you love Socialism so much.

          Wait...ahahahaa no. You won't do it because Cuba is a filth hole when compared to America and human rights. You are nothing more than a hypocrite who talks trash like a typical Socialist.

          Get lost-

          1. John Holden profile image61
            John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Ah, Will Starr, my apologies, here is one of the hateful comments you referred to.

    3. Josak profile image61
      Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      People don't like a bully and the US has done a lot of that in the international stage, additionally I think many people here (such as myself) get frustrated by the slow rate of change and how long it takes us to fix simple problems while the rest of the world fixes them and moves on.

      1. Dr Billy Kidd profile image91
        Dr Billy Kiddposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        The U.S. turned Iraq into a slum, so they hate the U.S. And now, certain political extremist plan on turning the U.S. into a ghetto. They'll be calling people like you and me "peasants" in a few years--after they sack the rest of our pension, take a way Social Security and Medicare, and turn the increased productivity of our work, reflected in wages, over to the wealhty. All of which is happening now. Meanwhile they talk about American exceptionalism....as they plan a war against Iran.

    4. Old Poolman profile image83
      Old Poolmanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I love America as much or more than I ever have.  I am very disgusted and disappointed with our failed leadership and many of our policies.  The America others see on the news is not the America I grew up in, and not the America the citizens of this country want either.
      Josak is correct, America has become a intolerant bully and can't fix even simple problems without spending billions of dollars and politicians fighting with each other.  I am proud of my country, but ashamed of our politics.

    5. bBerean profile image61
      bBereanposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Ahorseback,

           I have fond memories of growing up in the same America you remember.  It has been devolving for sometime now, though.  Most today, don't recall, or never knew those days.  There was a brief resurgence after 9/11, where America pulled together for a common good.  Perhaps we could point to that time, for those who experienced it, to give them a glimpse of what those earlier days were like. 

           I too, was caught up in the swell of emotion after the attacks in New York.  My flag came out of storage, like so many others, and went up that day.  It remained proudly flying until 2005 when Terri Shindler (Shiavo) was killed.  That day, out of embarrassment, I took it down.  http://www.lifeandhope.com/

           I remain hopeful and guardedly optimistic for the future of America, but must admit the last 5 years have taken a toll on hope, with the only change seeming to be for the worse.   We have been picking up steam in the wrong directions on many fronts.  This does not change the fact that I would choose to live nowhere else, am proud of what this nation once was and could be again, and remain appreciative of having had the opportunity to grow up in what is sadly turning out to have been a unique window of time in America.

    6. Credence2 profile image88
      Credence2posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Honest people disagree on the  best approach to ehnacing life and living in these United States. That does not constitute bashing. I am not a "my country right or wrong person", but our country has to strive to do the right things in its dealing and we must not fear to look at ourselves and ask those questions instead of charging blindly ahead allowing patriotism to blind us. 

      Since Vietnam, (circa 1966-68) cynicism has been the order of the day for the public at large. There is no longer any blind trust or faith......

    7. Dont Taze Me Bro profile image79
      Dont Taze Me Broposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      ahorseback,  I think different people define "America" differently. The America we love is in our minds (yours and mine) the land of the free, the home of the brave where the government is run by "we the people" and is the most successful, greatest experiment in government and the preservation of human rights in history. In others' minds it means something else which may or may not actually be what America is, was or will be. So if Americans have "unfriended" America it could be that the America they dislike is really a figment of their imagination (thank you liberal media and left wing liars) or they see an America that we do not see, an America that we also would dislike if what they see is true and encpompasses the total result but it shouldn't be defined by any brief or unsavory episodes in its history. By comparison to the rest of the world any sane objective observer (without some agenda) would be hard pressed to choose any country in the world they could "friend" more.

      1. John Holden profile image61
        John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        What, countries like Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam, Panama, Korea, Grenada, and so on and so on - but wait - they have an agenda so don't count, they don't like being told how to run their countries by America.

        1. Dont Taze Me Bro profile image79
          Dont Taze Me Broposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          It would be easier to discuss with you if you didn't twist my words - I wasn't talking about country's with agendas and please, America tells them how to run their countries?  I suppose you favor dictatorships that use chemical warfare like Iraq or maybe you'd like to live in Iran under the Mullas or starve in North Korea or you could have been one of Khadafy's "boys"- be my guest. God forbid we should try to keep a country from sponsoring terrorism against us! I suppose you are a 911 truther, aren't you. Oh, of course you aren't even an American, a real "expert" on the subject of American's unfriending America.

          1. Josak profile image61
            Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Well I am an American and John is correct, bull like Vietnam is why this country has a bad reputation.

            1. Dont Taze Me Bro profile image79
              Dont Taze Me Broposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              So you think one mistake like Vietnam defines America, that outdoes everything else America is and stands for  - that says more about you than about why "Americans unfirend America", like I said before you are one of those with an agenda - you are a socialist, aren't you. And what exactly do you mean by bull like Viet Nam? How is a foreign policy failure  the reason to hate the greatest democratic country on earth?  - If you know of a better one, why do you live here in a country with such a bad reputation?

              1. Josak profile image61
                Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I said things like Vietnam, also supporting operation condor, forcibly opening Japan, providing material aid to the Taliban, The Iraq war, Panama, Guatemala, Nicaragua the list goes on. Not to mention that one little Mistake in Vietnam cost millions of innocent lives making it a pretty big thing to about just forgetting.
                I have not "unfriended" the US I live here, I have family here and I have even forgiven some of those above "mistakes" that lead to the deaths of friends and family of mine but many are not so forgiving and their point of view is valid too, talking about that, refreshing that allows us to prevent it from happening again.

                Yes I am an economic socialist not that it has anything to do with my views on US foreign policy.

                Edit:
                Oh you added more, I live here because I met a wonderful American, married her and had a family here.
                By Bull like Vietnam I mean us using superior military force to bully the rest of the world and/or undermine democracy overseas.
                I do not hate the US by any definition of the word, what I hate is pretending it's perfect and the ignorance that surrounds that view, perfect example "greatest democratic nation on earth" on what basis?

                1. Dont Taze Me Bro profile image79
                  Dont Taze Me Broposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  With "friends" like you America needs no enemies.

                  1. Josak profile image61
                    Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Good response tongue

              2. Zelkiiro profile image84
                Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                "the greatest democratic country on earth"

                You think our runaway plutocracy is still a democracy? You're so cute~

              3. John Holden profile image61
                John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Name me then one country that does not have an "agenda"!
                And how do you disguise genocide as a foreign policy failure? Have you no heart, no sympathy whatsoever for the millions killed by that "foreign policy" failure?

                And on what evidence do you present the US as the greatest democratic country on Earth?

            2. Marquis profile image60
              Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Vietnam is not the reason this country has a bad reputation. What you stated is an opinion, not a fact.

              If America is hated so much, why all the illegal immigration and immigration?
              I can answer that for you. The U.S is the most sought after nation to immigrate to more than any other nation which means it is a very desirable place.

              America is LOVED, not hated. America is hated by far Leftist who can not get rid of the U.S. Constitution and a strong belief in God.

              1. John Holden profile image61
                John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Actually the USA is a highly sought after destination for immigrants, both legal and illegal  because English is the second most common language in the world.

                It has nothing to do with trying to get rid of the constitution or not having a strong belief in God (many left wingers are sincerely religious) rather it is a wish that the US would adhere more strongly to its constitution and behave in a more Christian manner.

                1. Marquis profile image60
                  Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  There are Americans who adhere to the Constitution. It never said allow abortion or make massive government like the Left  is pushing for.

                  As far as behaving in a Christian matter, everything that the Left supports is not supported in the Bible.

                  1. John Holden profile image61
                    John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    The left does not push for massive government, that we leave up to the right.

                    Nothing in the constitution bans abortion either, though to listen to the right you would think it dominated it.

          2. John Holden profile image61
            John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I have no desire to live anywhere but the UK. To me it is the greatest country in the world. It has many faults, I don't deny that but I can see those faults and not blindly defend my country.
            What I can't do is defend any country that sponsors terrorism and uses dirty bombs against civilians.
            Where is your evidence that Iraq ever used chemical weapons against its own people, and even if they did, how does that justify wholesale slaughter of the people by the US?

            BTW, have you ever considered that the opposite of a truther (!) is a liar?

            1. Marquis profile image60
              Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Shall I go over atrocities committed by England or the Uk? That includes enslaving Blacks, Indians and even other Whites? England even opened up the Opium trade in China and created a huge drug market. UK historically are the ultimate terrorists.

              America is the last hope for Democracy. Uk's time faded a long time ago. Uk sucks, Socialism sucks too.

              1. Zelkiiro profile image84
                Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                America rose and will fall, just like every other empire in the history of the world. I wouldn't get too attached if I were you.

                1. Marquis profile image60
                  Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Not like your sorry country.

                  1. Zelkiiro profile image84
                    Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I wasn't aware Pennsylvania was a foreign country...

              2. John Holden profile image61
                John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                No problem for me if you do, I might even join in - what I won't do is deny or justify our transgressions over 500 years of Empire. (Get that, 500 years, that's about 250 before you were even thought of).

                1. Marquis profile image60
                  Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I am glad you won't deny your transgressions for over 500 years. America will be significant 250 years in the future while your nation will continue to decline some more.

                  1. John Holden profile image61
                    John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    You are hardly significant any more beyond being the worlds bullies.

              3. jandee profile image46
                jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Who are you that you think we don't know the corruptness of our history ? remember and please know that those corrupt acts were done in the name of the ruling class, the class that we leftists ,who you seem to know zilch about ,are trying to overcome.......

                1. John Holden profile image61
                  John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  They think as they are so ill informed about their history that everybody else is too!

                  1. Marquis profile image60
                    Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    One can never be il informed about the history of the UK. the biggest slave traders, sodomites and losers on the face of the planet who continue to whine because they are insignificant today.

                2. Marquis profile image60
                  Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  You Leftist are the biggest criminals. I know that as fact.

        2. jandee profile image46
          jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Or Israel !!!!!!!!!  Israel are the real rulers of U.S

          1. Marquis profile image60
            Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Proof?

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      Justsilvieposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Why do some people assume you are Un-American or Unpatriotic if you dare to voice an opinion or a critique of this country?  I love this country, I know our strength and abilities but I am also aware of its shortcomings. I come from 3 generation of professional military and also married a soldier and I will be damned if anyone will tell me what I can say about my country.

      Hard as some of you who may find it to believe, we really are not so unique when it comes to believing we have a great country. Most people in other countries think the same way about theirs.

      This was country founded by a group of white men, who enslaved other men and treated women as chattel. We killed off, enslaved or disenfranchised the native people who were here before it was “discovered”. We have only started really treating people equally in the last 50 to 60 years a lot slower in some places and in some and it took the National Guard to make it happen there. That some of the people might have opinions that differ from yours does not mean they love this country less, it just might mean that have walked it in different shoes.

      1. Credence2 profile image88
        Credence2posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Gee, Silvie, I could not have said it better, hope that all is good!

      2. teamrn profile image80
        teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        "Why do some people assume you are Un-American or Unpatriotic if you dare to voice an opinion or a critique of this country? "

        They should not consider your voicing your opinions as your being somehow less patriotic than they.

        However, I think that many feel that those who criticize the CONSTITUTION and want to  CHANGE it to 'keep up with the times  and modernize it'' to suit their agenda, should find other shores

      3. Marquis profile image60
        Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Spare us the history lesson because we already know it. White men also fought to end slavery as well, or did you forget that part? Women have rights now thanks partly to White Men.

        No nation has done so much to reverse the ills of the past like America. America is indeed unique because it was the first nation in the Western hemisphere to end slavery and become a super power in less than 200 years.

        No other nation comes close.

    9. Ericdierker profile image81
      Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Ed, I am a lucky man. I have traveled and seen wonders all over the world. I have fallen in love in four countries and been incarcerated in the same. I have  worked for or with various governments and various multinational corporations. Where ever I go I walk miles a day and absorb the people and land. I have never been in an undeveloped nation and heard a local say, they would like to move to Germany, England, France, Japan or the Emerates.
      A better life is associated with America. That is my view. My country is awesome and constantly getting more awesome. If you do not believe me walk the Appalachians the Rockies or the Sierras. This land is my land, this land is your land, you are great to be a part of it.

    10. maxoxam41 profile image78
      maxoxam41posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      It is surprising to see people still wondering why America is disliked! Just look at our governments' policies. Just look at our domestic and international policies. Does it ring a bell or shall I continue? Less freedom, more cuts than won't affect the villains (meaning the elite), people are still struggling, the collapse of the economy is imminent... In what way do you feel comfortable to be an American?

      1. Marquis profile image60
        Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        What America do you live in? Your own version of it?
        I feel just fine to be an America. Better than being in Cuba, Myanmar or China any day.

    11. Becky Katz profile image84
      Becky Katzposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I believe that it is because we keep electing politicians that are in it for themselves and not for the betterment of our country. "We The People" do not seem to matter anymore. We are lied to by our politicians, our media, and our corporations. We feel that we have been divorced and the other half got the house and car. Our government keeps growing and our salaries aren't stretching nearly as far.
      We did receive a bit of a patriotism shot 9/11, but then during the Presidential election, we were divided again. Our President decided that he needed to do what he could to divide us and I could see every one of his comments divide the people within days. They were no longer united in a common cause, it was us and them. I miss it.

    12. Ericdierker profile image81
      Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting, what is it about this question that got such a wonderful numeric response -- i.e. a vocal majority but also the most shallow commenting around.
      But that I guess is part of the Greatness.

    13. PrettyPanther profile image85
      PrettyPantherposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Black and white thinking is a sign of....

      Google it if you're curious.

      1. Marquis profile image60
        Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I used to have a brown-haired tabby cat. He would be nice one minute and then mean the next.

  2. Zelkiiro profile image84
    Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago

    Reasonable Americans hate America because America transferred its power from politicians to businessmen.

    And then the rest of the world hates America because America keeps lording itself over everyone else and acts like it's better than them.

  3. jandee profile image46
    jandeeposted 3 years ago

    I Don't see why we cannot have a say when your say is insulting almost everyone who is foreign to you in US. I had many close friends in the US services,many rears ago  and they were absolute gentlemen-most-anyway. Unfortunately a few were racist and it was sad the way they had been socialised into that way. Manchester was a mix of everything and they took these servicemen in their stride.    When you speak of people resenting stuff that you had and have now lost you should realise that what you had was at the expense of poor countries,  for example now the way you are all being punished because your boss class are pouring your money into drones and other torturous things to persecute foreign lands to get their oil and other stuff.     You should realise that people from Europe can distinguish between the 2 classes in your country and anybody with an ounce of sense understands that the workers of the world are all having a rough time at the hands of the parasites in charge today.

    1. Marquis profile image60
      Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      The workers in the U.S. are the best paid in the world. Did foreigners recognize that? At least you can move up in the U.S. Foreigners do it all the time after they are done finishing their college at the top educational facilities the U.S. has to offer.

      1. John Holden profile image61
        John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        You do realise that the myth about upward mobility is just that, a myth there about about none countries ahead of you on the mobility stakes.

        1. Marquis profile image60
          Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          No your lies and misconceptions are.

  4. Astra Nomik profile image75
    Astra Nomikposted 3 years ago

    Some of my best friends are American, so no, I don't hate America. I visited New York once and I was dumbstruck by the scale of it all. Perhaps Americans need to re-discover America, from its history, it's stories, its achievements, discoveries, contributions to the world, and its successes, not judge it by its failures. No place can ever be perfect, and perhaps that is the way it will always be. Or do you want the glass to be half empty?

    Try to see America through it's own people. The secret of how any place truly is, comes from knowing and understanding the people who live there. If you want to see a social pariah state, look at the state of North Korea. It is divided from the South part of Korea by the small number of leaders who badly manage it. That is bad political leadership. That's how a failed state looks.

  5. tirelesstraveler profile image87
    tirelesstravelerposted 3 years ago

    Could it be the media hates the United States.  Richard Blum (husband o fSenator Dianne Feinstein ) and Al Gore just sold their media station to Al Jazeria.  When was the last time you saw or heard a program that was patriotic and made the U.S. look respectable?  Look at how media treats people.   Do the reality shows portray kind respectable people as role models?   Do reality shows thrive on mean people? Is reality TV real life?
    Nika Khrushchev once said the United States would fall, and not a shot would be fired.

    1. Josak profile image61
      Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Ooooh Al-Jazeera that is a very Arab sounding name obviously they hate America and seek to harm it. Precisely the kind of attitude that is a big part of the problem.

      1. Marquis profile image60
        Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        You seek to help the haters of America. This can especially be said with your pitiful comments I have seen so far.

        You and Al Jazeera have THAT much in common.

  6. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 3 years ago

    I guess the bottom line is that everyone loves to hate the big guy on the block , all the little bullies in the neighborhood fear him ! All the good people look to him for protection .  Its difficult  to be so needed and so hated at the same time !   I personally understand this delemna , and make no appologies to anyone ! And I truely believe that most Americans do too ! So if you [any nation ] feels the need to Unfriend America ......especially to the point of hatred .remember , the drones are coming !

    1. Josak profile image61
      Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Vietnam, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Cambodia, The Philippines, Bolivia, Paraguay, Iraq... just to name a few, the problem is often we are the bully.

      Also the arrogance in your comment is a big part of the problem, the world does not need us and oh so many people all around the world just want us out of their affairs just as we would not want them in ours.

      1. cheaptrick profile image66
        cheaptrickposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        The worst day of my life was in Vietnam; It was the day I realized we were not the good guys. Did I stop loving my country? No,. Did I open my eyes and resolve to do what I could to bring about the change needed? Yes I did. We Americans are in the process of giving America a political enema...shit happens.

        1. Josak profile image61
          Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Could not agree more.

      2. Marquis profile image60
        Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Actually, your misguided and one-sided put downs are the problem. If you would like to discuss the nations which are Left Wing and bullies, we can do that as well.

        I can start with the now insignificant UK.

        1. Zelkiiro profile image84
          Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          >accuses other nations of being bullies
          >proceeds to belittle other nations

          Mmm...delicious hypocrisy.

        2. John Holden profile image61
          John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          The UK left wing! You have got to be joking!

          1. Marquis profile image60
            Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Uk is a filthy Leftwing welfare state filled with atheist losers. That is no joke.

            1. John Holden profile image61
              John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              That is the biggest joke I've heard all day!
              Cameron is a true conservative ripping pensioners to shreds whilst lining the pockets of his elite.
              He's trying to out Thatcher Thatcher  - oh but of  course you will think she was a socialist as well.

            2. jandee profile image46
              jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks, me darling !  Any more compliments ..............

              1. John Holden profile image61
                John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I find his ignorance about the UK slightly amusing lol

                1. jandee profile image46
                  jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  OOps! You mean his IGNORANCE ?

                  1. John Holden profile image61
                    John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Nah, just ignorance smile

            3. Credence2 profile image88
              Credence2posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Marquis, Refering to Britain in this way is not very cordial, are you actually the Marquis de Sade reincarnated?

              1. Josak profile image61
                Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Nope, Sade was interesting interesting.

  7. cheaptrick profile image66
    cheaptrickposted 3 years ago

    Countries don't Do anything. Americans haven't "unfriended " their country as though it were some Facebook "Friend". The struggle is for equality and to better our country rather than lie down and except the status quo as most of the world has done. Even if it takes a civil war to do it.
    "Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants". Thomas Jefferson...It's time.

  8. Ericdierker profile image81
    Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago

    Esperanza

    Many people look to the American government and find fault. They should. Many look to our foreign policy and find fault -- they should. Many look to our violence and find fault, they should. Of course many look to our consumerism and find fault and they should. Our two party system is polarizing much of the country, that is bad.

    But none of those institutions or people are what make America great. Down here in our multilingual Pacific Southwest most of us know the term: Esperanza. This term is best translated as a dream and hope. This is the reason for immigration, this is the reason great things happen, this is the reason we work hard for our children.

    Yes we face many problems from our environment to our corporate greed to lack of compassion. But we always rise to the occasion. And we welcome others to come do it with us. Each day a new "Journey" highers a new lead singer and a fatherless black man becomes President and huge charitable accomplishments and medical breakthroughs just happen!

    If I want a friend, I want it to be one with Esperanza!!

    1. teamrn profile image80
      teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      "Many people look to the American government and find fault."  They find fault (which is their right), but yet they still continue to accept million in foreign aid and misuse that id.

      Yes, that begs the obvious; what are we doing PROVIDING the aid to countries who don't appreciate it and don't  use it wisely, or worse still, AGAINS US? Shouldn't our government have it's head examined for donating nearly $70 Billion to countries whose leaders don't always 'dole' out the money to the intended recipients,, should we cut off foreign aid to everyone (especially since we're broke) and stop being the world's policemen and requite every country to APPLY for funds for a certain project?

      This is a discussion we should have as Americans.

      1. John Holden profile image61
        John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I take it you don't understand how foreign aid works!
        Usually the money is tied up in such a way that it can only be spent with the donor country and even if it isn't you can be sure that aid is "buying" a piece of the country.

        And hey,if they do use it against you, well never fear they will  most likely be using American made objects against you.

        1. Marquis profile image60
          Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Beggars can not be choosers.

          1. John Holden profile image61
            John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Nope, not much sense in that reply.

            1. Marquis profile image60
              Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              That is because I am correct.

              1. John Holden profile image61
                John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Do you really think so! You spout on from a position of ignorance about a country that you obviously don't know the first thing about, and yet you reckon you are correct!

                1. Marquis profile image60
                  Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  You obviously do not know the first thing about America. Yet you spout your ignorance. Stop looking at Leftist t.v trash.

                  Your country sucks. Mine doesn't. My country invented many things that yours take for granted such as the World Wide Web and the very software your pitiful self used to get on the internet.

                  So do not come here talking trash about America when they are the reason your pitiful self has what YOU DO TODAY.

                  1. John Holden profile image61
                    John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Tim Berners Lee is an Englishman as was Alan Turing.

                  2. jandee profile image46
                    jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    It isn't your country.

                  3. Zelkiiro profile image84
                    Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    And none of it would've been possible without the Sumerians inventing, you know, writing, yet I don't see you talking about how awesome Sumeria was.

  9. jandee profile image46
    jandeeposted 3 years ago

    How much do you owe to china teamrn ?

    1. teamrn profile image80
      teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I owe in foreign debt about $52K-$142K, how much of it is to what country, I'm not sure. But the money owed to China....they owe &750 billion to the US, not including interest on that debt,

    2. Marquis profile image60
      Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      How much does China owe the U.S?

      1. teamrn profile image80
        teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        READ, "how much does China owe the US' in my post above but I'll tell you again: close to a trillion dollar (including interest)

        1. Marquis profile image60
          Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you teamrn.

  10. healthyfitness profile image84
    healthyfitnessposted 3 years ago

    I am an immigrant to this country and I absolutely love it!
    People are not as mean as everyone makes them seem and the opportunities for success by far exceed that of anywhere else in the world.

    I think the main problem is that most Americans forget just how good they have it, or as the old saying goes "You don't know what you have until its gone"

  11. Petra Vlah profile image61
    Petra Vlahposted 3 years ago

    The post is suppose to address the WHY are evermore Americans unfriended their own country and not about the way the rest of the world sees and feels about America (that part we know and it has been discussed repeatedly on the forums).
    As they travel the world and get to know other ways of life, more and more Americans are getting pass the slogan "we are the best and the greatest". People are disillusioned with the way the country is being run by incompetent and corrupt politicians, by greedy and selfish corporations. The "american dream" is still alive ONLY in the minds and hearts of people from other (mostly undeveloped) countries, but is dead and buried for most Americans as they see their future getting farther away from what they have hoped for themselves and their children

  12. WillStarr profile image84
    WillStarrposted 3 years ago

    The answer to your question is in the many hateful replies you are getting from the far-left, whether they are Americans or not. America is the greatest nation on Earth, built by hard working, rugged individuals with high moral standards, and that is what the blood sucking, leftist leeches openly despise about America.

    The America haters are all on the left. That's all we need to know.

    1. teamrn profile image80
      teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you Will for putting in a nutshell...There are some far right kooks, but they, too love their country, though it manifests in a strange way. Timothy McVeigh comes to mind.

    2. John Holden profile image61
      John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      We must be reading different threads! I've not seen one hateful comment. I'v seen, even made, highly critical comments but criticism isn't hateful.

  13. jandee profile image46
    jandeeposted 3 years ago

    Petra you are so correct (except where the question was added to ,I think,,when Horseback said all nations)

  14. WillStarr profile image84
    WillStarrposted 3 years ago

    Everyone attacking America here is a known leftist, and many are not Americans at all. One is even an avowed communist, with her precious little red book...written by the worst mass murderer in history!

    American is the greatest nation the world has ever known, and that just galls the leftist kooks. That's why they try to lecture and scold their American betters.

    1. Zelkiiro profile image84
      Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Because racism, misogyny, and the insurmountable gap between rich and poor totally makes you great, right? Ask the Roman Empire how that's workin' out for them.

      1. teamrn profile image80
        teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        How do you ascribe a hatred of women, racism to Will Starr?. There is a gap between rich and poor, but I don't see what that gap has to do with the American greatness that Will Starr speaks of.

      2. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Such BS... Thats why people hate America...  when utter fallacies are spouted about a previously and potentially great Nation.
        We have made mistakes... We Can Should, Will correct them. The people have the final say. If we do not exercise that say or worse... loose that say, then we'll see an America to be hated... now?
        NO!
        Not quite yet.
        Take it back, I say.

        1. Marquis profile image60
          Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          People like Zelkiiro is why I HATE Socialists and the Left wing in general. Concerning America, the vile Leftists are always anti patriotic, they are cowards, they do basically the same thing they say the Right is doing too. They nit-pick Amendments that they say shouldn't exist and then these Leftist lunatics talk of a living breathing Constitution.

          Liberals, Socialists, Communists, Democrats, Democratic Socialists, Social Democrats, Anarchists, Left-leaning Libertarians are all TRASH.

          1. Zelkiiro profile image84
            Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            So the Left is trash for thinking huge corporations shouldn't be the dictators of a free market and a democratic government?

            Alright, which big conglomerate is sponsoring you to spout your drivel?

  15. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago

    I am tired of beating around the bush. Resist the NWO! It is trying to take the US through the push for socialism. If we hate America they will be able to destroy it and take it.   
    Resist the NWO by resisting all propaganda toward Socialism.  We can resist the NWO by embracing the original precepts of the country by holding onto them tightly within our minds. Focus on the Founding Father's intents for us... they knew it would be hard to hold onto a free country. But, if this nation is on the same page against the attack, (which is gaining in strength and speed,) being waged upon us, we should be able to hang on to our freedom. We have to fight hard... through love.  NOW!

    Hatred and negativity will not help and is a sign of the enemy.

    1. teamrn profile image80
      teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I feel that anyone who is NOT willing to, like you say, Kathryn, "by embracing the original precepts of the country by holding onto them tightly in our minds" and I'd add hearts, ought to find a different country.

      The USA was founded on the principles of the Constitution. COULD THAT BE MORE PLAIN? That's our form of government PERIOD. If you don't like it, LUMP IT and leave.

      That Constitution calls for a Constitutional democracy which allows for different political parties, but in your heart of hearts, if you can't ABIDE by the Constitutional principles (which is the law of the lag) and only want to change the Constitution, you'll be met with resistance all the way. Just pack your bags and go elsewhere. I[m staying. There I've said my peace. Ciao

    2. Zelkiiro profile image84
      Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      You seriously believe in that so-called New World Order? Do you also believe in alien abductions, feng shui, and the Jersey Devil?

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, there has been a push from behind the scenes for a long long time. it is now gaining in strength. Wake Up!

        1. Zelkiiro profile image84
          Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          So, is red a good color for the chi in my living room?

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
            Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            ...Is that a hint of something you know and we do not?

            1. Zelkiiro profile image84
              Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Feng shui! I thought you believed in stupid garbage like that if you also believe in the so-called NWO.

              1. innersmiff profile image79
                innersmiffposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                The existence of NWO is completely un-controversial. It's pretty much accepted in politics that world-governance is the ultimate aim of western powers, both Bush's, Gordon Brown and Pops referring to it directly, and long term domestic and foreign policies mirroring the wishes of the Council on Foreign Relations.

                It's funny, many people will readily admit that global governance is the aim, and a good thing. For some it's a 'conspiracy theory', for others it's 'cooperative globalisation'.

      2. teamrn profile image80
        teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Zelkiiro, Do I believe in the NWO?  As far as nations organizing to foster living TOGETHER peacefully, instead of conflcitually, I believe in it. But, I believe that to obtain it, the world of banking will change and we'll all be carbon copies of each other. To that extent I DO NOT.

        I do feel that anyone who does not believe in living the way the Constitution directs us to, AND that includes all the founding docs and the amendments, ought to leave and don't let the door hit them in the butt on the way out.

        So, unless you intend to live by the Constitution and not try to change it, (like progressives are wont to do) and support our Constitutional democracy;grab your purse and passport, take a trip to the bank and head on to the more prosperous (NOW-with emphasis on NOW) Finland, etc. That won'd last for long.

    3. Marquis profile image60
      Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I can believe that.

  16. WillStarr profile image84
    WillStarrposted 3 years ago

    I categorize the never-ending left wing attacks on America as 'hateful' comments. You can dispute that if you wish, but it doesn't change the fact that all the America haters are on the left, like you.

    1. John Holden profile image61
      John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Thus proving how wrong you are. I don't hate America, I don't even dislike it. I find its foreign policies abhorrent but that is not hating the country.

      1. Marquis profile image60
        Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        You are indeed an America hater. Every single comment has negatively been addressed to the U.S. from you. So please do not lie. I have answered most of the bile you have posted.

        1. John Holden profile image61
          John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          You haven't answered any of my points. You might have thrown a bit of a distraction in their way, but not answered.

  17. WillStarr profile image84
    WillStarrposted 3 years ago

    I didn't say you hated America. I said you are on the left.

    1. John Holden profile image61
      John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      What you said was " You can dispute that if you wish, but it doesn't change the fact that all the America haters are on the left, like you."

      If you didn't mean to accuse me of hating America you should have worded that differently.

  18. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 3 years ago

    All of these . or most at least ,    are good  questions and comments for our chewing on !  While I agree America has made mistakes , its only corporate American influences in our politics that is to blame !  The military industrials influences , Hallidburton , Blackwater ,  Boieng , G-E,  lobbyisms by financial interests have helped create and carry on the misdeeds ! Viet -Nam etc., The American people will never stand for outside interests ...NWO. etc,  having thier way here !  I would personally rather we burn in revolution than  join them ! The founding fathers ...they all knew this too !   As to keeping our nose at home , I would unhook from the world in a miniute , No more foriegn aid , no more defending those who can't themselves !  No more ass kissing the middle east .

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      YEP!

  19. WillStarr profile image84
    WillStarrposted 3 years ago

    The left has been attacking America since the late sixties, calling America all sorts of vile names and hurling endless accusations. To me, that is pure hate speech, so I simply ignore those who blithely deny that America is hated by the left. They can deny that they personally hate the US, but the group hate is obvious and beyond deniability.

    Barack Hussein Obama is implementing the 'dreams from his father', an ardent America hater, and is determined to keep his oath to 'fundamentally transform' the greatest nation on Earth into another failed Euro-style socialistic state.

    I don't think he will succeed, because more and more Americans are becoming increasingly alarmed at his massive spending and the soaring inflation that necessarily follows. Our dollar is now worth just four cents, and it is teetering on total collapse. I don't doubt at all that Obama would be quite pleased if it did fail, as long as he can blame it on Republicans.

    1. Zelkiiro profile image84
      Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      "another failed Euro-style socialistic state"

      Huh. Last I checked, most of Europe (especially Finland, Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands, Switzerland, and Norway) were not only prosperous, but faring far better than we currently are.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        NWO speak, right there.

        1. Zelkiiro profile image84
          Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          She's onto us, Jim! Release the hounds!

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
            Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            So, move to Europe.

            1. Zelkiiro profile image84
              Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, let me just gather up my $400 and buy a passport, a plane ticket, a house, a car, and all the various visas to be able to start the job I apparently already have in a foreign country I have yet to visit.

              /facepalm

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                There is Wish, Hope and Will. Which one do you have?
                Probably just Wish. 
                I, for one, am very sorry you are stuck in a country that you despise so much.

                1. John Holden profile image61
                  John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Do I take it then that if you are ever critical of your other half you could be said to despise them?

                  "Oh dear you've put on a bit of weight (and I despise you for it)"

                  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    uh, he despises it.

                  2. teamrn profile image80
                    teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Hardly (If ever) critical of other half(, John Holden. At the time that 2 become one, they agree on a lot, but they also agree that there will be disagreements in their relationship that they'll work out..

                    However, FUNDAMENTAL disagreements (the kind involved in any pre-marital counseling, that most don't take seriously) in philosophy or irreconcilable differences, are grounds for a divorce.

                    If the couple, or participants in a partnership (person and state) invested 10 minutes thinking about his/her future with his/her partner, instead of looking forward to what is NEVER a free ride, this problem would be avoided.

                    So, long answer to your short question. If you and your other half disagree, that's ground for discussion. If you can't even discuss without a fight-that's grounds for seriously rethinking your partnership. Now, apply that to our nation and see where people fall.

      2. teamrn profile image80
        teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, they;re faring better than we are by some standard s NOW. But when they go down,, they'll fall and HARD.

        The US of A doesn't have to, hasn't given into temptation to change it's form of government-YET, but regularly we re erode the Constitution.

        Since no one ini DC is acting like a grownup, we must come to the table and demand 'grownup ship' to take our country back. After another revolution here, will we have the guts, the intestinal fortitude to write a document so short that says SO MUCH without spending 30 years in parliamentary procedure problems and  'he said, she said' battles?

    2. John Holden profile image61
      John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Thus demonstrating the basic American misunderstanding of the rest of the world!

      There is nothing socialist about Europe, we have all the same "leaders" that you have.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        the "leaders" being the Corporations, as he has explained time and time again.

      2. teamrn profile image80
        teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Nothing socialist about Europe????? Help me understand what you mean, truly. I'd like to know, because right now my jaw is loved into position.

        1. John Holden profile image61
          John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Quite simply the capitalists still run Europe, not the socialists.

          Hope your jaw soon becomes unloved -- help, no I don't, I'm sure you have a lovely jaw lol

  20. WillStarr profile image84
    WillStarrposted 3 years ago

    "What you said was " You can dispute that if you wish, but it doesn't change the fact that all the America haters are on the left, like you."

    If you didn't mean to accuse me of hating America you should have worded that differently."

    Nonetheless, I did not say you are an America hater. I said you are a leftist (which you finally admitted some time back, after first denying it!). People who do not know you should be made aware that you are a very dishonest man.

    I also notice that you did not deny that all America haters are on the left, because it's so obvious that they are.

    1. Zelkiiro profile image84
      Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      So I'm guessing the Religious Right, who love nothing more than destroying the First Amendment and trying to turn what's left of our democracy into a theocracy, aren't included in that exclusive "America hater" club?

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        BLA BLA BLA Is this being a troll?
        No, It is freedom of speech.

      2. Marquis profile image60
        Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        False, the Religious Right has the RIGHT to protest attacks against Christianity done by the secular Left. The Left wants to destroy Christianity.

        1. Zelkiiro profile image84
          Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          And the Constitution states that the government can't stop them, because the US government cannot sponsor or support any religion.

          1. Marquis profile image60
            Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            The U.S government can not force secular nonsense on the Churches either ie. forcing churches to pay for baby-killing contraceptions.

    2. John Holden profile image61
      John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I did not deny that all America haters are on the left because it is patently absurd.

      I'm pondering what to do about your typical right wing slur on my character.

      1. Marquis profile image60
        Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Your character was in question as soon as you started posting your anti American trash.

        1. John Holden profile image61
          John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I'm so sorry, I'd forgotten that the mighty America went weak at the knees at the first hint that they didn't get everything exactly right.

          1. teamrn profile image80
            teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            What didn't they get exact;ly right?

            2 things are missing only TEO things


            1. term limits   But they never thought, it NEVERr dawned on them  that people woulnd't just put in a few years and go back to the farm or doc offices , laser office or wherever

            2. They didn't propose any kind of campaign finance reform to keep candidates on an equal playing field. I propose that during reelection seasons, that air time be free, to prevent money from corrupting an election.

          2. teamrn profile image80
            teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            John, I'm really curious as to what you feel the "mighty Americans" didn't get quite right. Care to discuss?

  21. WillStarr profile image84
    WillStarrposted 3 years ago

    "So I'm guessing the Religious Right, who love nothing more than destroying the First Amendment and trying to turn what's left of our democracy into a theocracy, aren't included in that exclusive "America hater" club?"

    I have never met a religious American who wants a theocracy. I challenge you to either prove that absurd allegation or apologize for your blatant and hateful leftist falsehood

    1. Zelkiiro profile image84
      Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      State-sponsored religion = theocracy. Ask any Christian, and they'll tell you they want America to be a Christian nation with the Bible being mandatory teaching in schools with Biblical laws enforced. If that's not a theocracy...no, there is no rhetorical alternative, that is a theocracy.

      1. Marquis profile image60
        Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        More lies. So what are you, some Leftwing atheist?

        1. Zelkiiro profile image84
          Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          A Centrist agnostic.

          1. Marquis profile image60
            Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            A centrist agnostic is no better than a far Left atheist.

            1. innersmiff profile image79
              innersmiffposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              You're not helping your cause here.

  22. WillStarr profile image84
    WillStarrposted 3 years ago

    "I'm pondering what to do about your typical right wing slur on my character."


    Telling the truth is not a slur. You did falsely deny being a leftist.

    Or are you going to deny it?

    1. John Holden profile image61
      John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      And when exactly did I deny being a leftist? Come on, seriously, what did I claim to be?Ultra right wing?

      1. jandee profile image46
        jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        He wouldn't know anyway cause he/they think Obama is a leftist so it is a little difficult to get any sense.

        1. John Holden profile image61
          John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          The crime in question is a little hazy now but as I recall I denied being a political Liberal (which as you know is more right wing  than left) but accepted that I was liberal in my outlook on life.

          For that he has stalked me for many months, accusing me of being "a dishonest man" went too far and I have done something that I have never done lightly. Whether any action is taken we shall have to see.

          1. Marquis profile image60
            Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Liberalism is a failure. Give your life instead to Jesus.

            1. John Holden profile image61
              John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Liberalism is a right wing concept and in that I would agree that it is a failure. I will however hold fast to liberty promoting liberal values.

              I don't remember Jesus ever preaching the sort of narrow way that you tread.

              1. Marquis profile image60
                Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Liberalism does not mean liberty or promoting values of the sort. Even Jesus would agree.

                1. John Holden profile image61
                  John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this
                2. John Holden profile image61
                  John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Jesus was a liberal.

                  1. Marquis profile image60
                    Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I have heard that lie before. I do not think Jesus was for abortion or sex out of marriage. I never heard Jesus once say that he was for gays or lesbians marrying either.

                    Calling Jesus a Liberal is sickening.

                  2. jandee profile image46
                    jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Eh John !  I always thought he was a revolutionary Communist and that was why he was murdered the same as Che and Kevin and Joe Hill and Victor Jarra  and a million others.............

                  3. teamrn profile image80
                    teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    "And."

            2. Zelkiiro profile image84
              Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              You mean the Jesus who preaches on giving up all material possessions to follow him and aid the poor? I thought that went against everything your church and your Fox News tells you to do?

              1. jandee profile image46
                jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Don't worry about it ! Jesus would send him packing................

                1. Marquis profile image60
                  Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  You need Jesus more than I do.

              2. Marquis profile image60
                Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Stop reaching for straws. If you want me to get into the Bible, well then I shall.

                1. John Holden profile image61
                  John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes do, I want to hear about how Jesus didn't really preach compassion.

                  1. Marquis profile image60
                    Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Compassion did not mean supporting people drug habits or making a massive government for a group of lazy people to stay on welfare, have a bunch of babies out of wedlock  either.

                2. jandee profile image46
                  jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Why was Jesus persecuted and crucified ?

                  1. Marquis profile image60
                    Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Jesus was persecuted and crucified for humanity. He was betrayed by Judas and turned in to the Romans.

                    Jesus died for the sins of the others who would follow. The sins being those who are atheists, drug users, prostitutes, philanderers, gamblers ect.

          2. jandee profile image46
            jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            His profile is no more !  Gone ! Finished ! As Monty Python would say......

  23. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 3 years ago

    Unfortunately we can't have a discussion without the perfect pattern of our liberal  party divisiveness , taking hold as planned and designed by  liberals ,  A hidden agenda of the left , revealed !  Destroy our constitution , burn our patriotic followings our heritage and love for country , at all costs ! The socialistic left in America has a plan ! The  N.W.O !  But .......who''s gonna pay for it like everything else America pays for !........Ask Russia about your future plans ,  ask eastern Europe ! It didn't work  there , it sure as hell won't work here !

    1. John Holden profile image61
      John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      But politically Liberals are not left wing, think liberty, libertarian and all the other libers of the right!

      If the US is anything like the UK it isn't the left that is destroying our heritage and love for our country, that  is another right wing myth.

      1. Marquis profile image60
        Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Liberals are LEFT of moderate. You could almost say Liberals resemble Socialists. Liberals believe in high taxes like Socialists, Liberals believe in massive government like Socialists, Liberals cling to Socialist notions in spite of socialism’s consistent record of failure—out of blind faith.

        Arrogance, false compassion, emotionalism, and blind faith in a system that not only does not work but breeds laziness, sloth, and irresponsibility— these are the characteristics necessary to be a socialist.

        Liberals are doomed.

        1. Josak profile image61
          Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          tongue

          1. Marquis profile image60
            Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            So why do you support a system that breeds laziness, sloth, and irresponsibility?

            1. Josak profile image61
              Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I don't, That is why I am a socialist tongue

              I am more than happy to compare rates of economic growth in developing socialist nations or quality of life in developed socialist nations with anything you have.

              Perhaps you are forgetting the socialist catchphrase. "He who does not work neither shall he eat" Welfare is a purely capitalist problem caused by it's inability to create sufficient work. Welfare is only a necessity in capitalist systems.

              1. Marquis profile image60
                Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                You are a welfare bum who gets a check every month. Of course you and people like you who live in small developed Socialist nations will be happy.

                You are a lazy and silly person. Yet you are happy about your current situation.

              2. teamrn profile image80
                teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Josak, if you're socialist, you shoulldn't be living under the laws of a Constitutional democracy. But, I seem to recall that you live in another country-right?

      2. teamrn profile image80
        teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        John, she's got a point about the discussion remaining ON TOPOC,

      3. teamrn profile image80
        teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        John, do you think liberalism-libertarianism=liberty?

        1. John Holden profile image61
          John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          No, I think liberalism + libertarianism = liberty.

    2. Josak profile image61
      Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      On the contrary plenty of conservatives are also not too blind to see it, hubber wilderness for example or even Ron Paul, that our policing of the world has often been irresponsible, unnecessary and intrusive, sometimes just downright evil.

      1. Marquis profile image60
        Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        America's policing of the world brought an end to the Cold War and saved many nations from being invaded by the Communist bloc. Ron Paul is an idiot to ignore that.

        Capitalist Democracy defeated unnecessary and intrusive far Left Communism and will do the same for blind Socialism.

        1. Josak profile image61
          Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Brought an end to the cold war huh...

          Actually most of the policing failed (like Vietnam) at the cost of millions of innocent lives and the places where democratic governments were overthrown and replaced by fascist dictatorships to prevent communism or socialism have all elected socialist or communist leadership since overthrowing those dictatorships.

          Currently more than a quarter of the worlds nations have elected socialist parties in power (members of the socialist international or statedly socialist . That is without even getting into social democratic, revolutionary liberalism and communism. The number grows larger every year at the expense of capitalist nations, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

          1. Marquis profile image60
            Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            You are concerned about innocent lives but the problem was caused by Communist North Vietnam trying to FORCE its evil way onto South Vietnam. It was more like a stale mate there. We both know that North Vietnamese Communism will cease to exist and the people will truly experience freedom and democracy. They will not experience the tyranny and fear of the far Left Communism no more. I hope you also feel the same way when Stalin killed over 20,000,000 INNOCENT LIVES. Communism is a failure.

            The Marshall Plan was the reason America acted against North Vietnam, the same reason goes for North Korea. Communism is EVIL. Liberalism and Socialism follows Communism in the threshold of evil.

            1. Josak profile image61
              Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              North Vietnam did not force it's way into South Vietnam, you need a good history lesson tongue , there was supposed to be an election for re-unification but the US blocked the election from occurring because the communists would win thus forcing war.

              I am not personally a communist but Vietnam is doing pretty well and all the independent polling shows high support for the government, personally I would prefer a democracy and the stats make it more than apparent they would choose a far left socialist leader if given the right to vote.

              And of course I do, Stalin's purges are unforgivable.

              1. Marquis profile image60
                Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                North Vietnam FORCED its way onto South Vietnam as far as we are concerned. I need no history lesson from a shiftless and lazy individual such as yourself. America was enforcing the Marshal Plan.

                Which Vietnam is doing pretty well? I am pretty sure it is not the part that tried to force the Communist trash onto the rest of the people.

                You think the people of Vietnam would choose irresponsible and massive government over hard work, perseverance and wealth?

                1. teamrn profile image80
                  teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Vietnam is doing pretty well . I'm still a little stunned at this statement. Please tell me how. Couldn't be the North. You really think the South is doing pretty well? Do talk

              2. teamrn profile image80
                teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                "Vietnam is doing pretty well " and all the inependent polling? What about REAL anecdotes.

                In Vietnam, SOME people in the towns live life much as the western word. BUT, make your way outiside of the cities, and women are dropping babies in the rice paddies and not much has changed.

                My physician goes over to Vietman several times a year and altho he's a specialist, he teaches doctors the basics and they are woefully inadequate,

                The North Vietnamese leaders squander any aid that comes their way that is intended for the relief of those in outlying areas, which happens to be most of the country.

                1. John Holden profile image61
                  John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  And what exactly is life like outside US cities? No poverty, no shortage of medical attention! I believe you.

                  And if Vietnamese doctors are so inadequate wouldn't you have done better to train them in a practical way rather than just giving them more work to practice their inadequate skills on?

                  1. teamrn profile image80
                    teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh, John, I've heard it first hand from several sources. In the US of A, we still have running water and people get airlifted to hospitals if need be. In rural Vietnam, it's no day at the beach; granted, people don't know what they're missing, but their comes a point in time when walking around in crap and filthy water isn't healthy.

                    As far as Vietnamese doctors and my docs, mission, I'm confused as to what you're talking about. They need basic training TO become MDs. I don't know what is more practical than basic training in their country, in their culture, in their language. Who is giving them " more work to practice their inadequate skills on?"

                  2. teamrn profile image80
                    teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh, John, I've heard it first hand from several sources. In the US of A, we still have running water and people get airlifted to hospitals if need be. In rural Vietnam, it's no day at the beach; granted, people don't know what they're missing, but their comes a point in time when walking around in crap and filthy water isn't healthy.

                    As far as Vietnamese doctors and my docs, mission, I'm confused as to what you're talking about. They need basic training TO become MDs. I don't know what is more practical than basic training in their country, in their culture, in their language. Who is giving them " more work to practice their inadequate skills on?"

                  3. wilderness profile image96
                    wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I don't believe you'll find very many American women dropping babies in the rice paddies they work in....

                    No, John, poverty, or poor medical care such as seen in Vietnam is very rare in the US.  Those living in poverty here are "poor" only in relation to other US citizens; relative to much of the world they have riches beyond wildest dreams.

            2. jandee profile image46
              jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              You dear marquis are so ignorant. I am amazed at your lack of factual information.

              1. Marquis profile image60
                Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                No, you are the one who is ignorant. Lack the facts? What facts silly little red commie loser ARE YOU SPEAKING OF?

      2. jandee profile image46
        jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Josak you are too gentle !

        1. Marquis profile image60
          Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Communism KILLS like drugs.

  24. jandee profile image46
    jandeeposted 3 years ago

    Josak my friend ,my comrade!,
    What the  hell are you saying about Stalin   ????Tell me my friend !!

    1. Marquis profile image60
      Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Josak knows that Stalin was a crazed murdering maniac responsible for the deaths of more than 20,000,000 Russian people. Like a FOOL you  believe in Communism trash.

      Josak has displayed to me that he has some form of sense UNLIKE you. Moa Zedong was no better with his lovely murdering of millions of innocent Chinese people. I guess the Cultural Revolution worked well there in China.

      One thing the LEFT knows how to do; that is kill millions of people by starving them or placing them in labor camps. This is how the LEFT thinks about humanity.

    2. Josak profile image61
      Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Personally I think Stalin ruined something which could have been amazing, the USSR had faults (in my view primarily not embracing democracy) but it's beginnings were a new hopeful thing, the first nation in the world to legalize homosexuality, the first nation in the world to give women equal rights, workers rights, the first nation in the world to embrace true internationalism and Stalin ruined that, he sent people to gulags for being gay, we revoked women's rights, he removed the right to organize labor, he descended into nationalism. So I am not a fan to put it mildly.

      1. jandee profile image46
        jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        ?

  25. jandee profile image46
    jandeeposted 3 years ago

    Josak ! What are you scared of ?  Why do you say you are not a communist ??

    1. Marquis profile image60
      Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      He knows better now.

      Josak is now part of DEMOCRACY.

      1. Josak profile image61
        Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        So is Jandee.

    2. Josak profile image61
      Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I am a socialist and I see there to be an important difference, I believe that people should be able to own their own space, their home etc and be able to do whatever they wish there. and I believe in democracy which puts me at odds with the dictatorship of the proletariat ideal.

      1. Marquis profile image60
        Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        People do own their own space, home and etc. People can NOT do whatever they wish because it may be harmful. Take for instance, there could be a man who likes to look at, touch and have sex with 10 year old girls.

        Would you allow that? After all, he is just doing whatever he wants.

        1. Josak profile image61
          Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Seriously?
          I was referring to the fact that under a communist system all property is community owned.

          Also obviously not, I did not think it required qualification that they may do whatever they want in their own house so long as it is not harming others.

          1. Marquis profile image60
            Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Josak, property is confiscated and state owned. You own NOTHING under Communism. You are just a unit, that is all.

            1. Josak profile image61
              Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              How are you struggling with this? What you just said is precisely what I was saying without the extremist nonsense about being just a unit.

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                Education Answerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Josak,

                Socialist governments take, and then they take more.  I can find a better way to spend my money.  Since when has the government ever been efficient?  My money is best spend by me, not a government that provides for me with my own money.  I can do that without any government intervention.

                1. Josak profile image61
                  Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Needless to say I disagree, in a complete socialist system there is no taxation anyway so what you are saying is incorrect.

                  1. 84
                    Education Answerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Where would I find a "complete socialist system" as an example?

                  2. teamrn profile image80
                    teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Where is there a couple socialist system? In theory that may be true, but where is it operable, in practice? Atlantis? Negril Bay? Hedonism?

              2. Marquis profile image60
                Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                You are a tool of the Left. that is all. Liberalism, Socialism, Communism will never win.

                1. Josak profile image61
                  Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  They already have, capitalism is essentially gone, there is not a single true capitalist nation left on earth.

                  1. Marquis profile image60
                    Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Dream on commie.

            2. Zelkiiro profile image84
              Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Go ask a homeless man how nicely Capitalism has treated him (and his family). Maybe you can also ask him how much he owns and then lecture him how the government would be taking away his rights by providing him with a home.

              Please say all homeless people are lazy. Please say all homeless people are homeless because of their own faults. Please prove to everyone that you have no brain and say all homeless people are junkies.

              1. Marquis profile image60
                Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Most of the homeless receive a first of the month check. That is how they are able to supply their drinking and drug habit, smart guy.

                1. Josak profile image61
                  Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Statistically speaking the homeless and those below the poverty line have slightly lower alcoholism and drinking rates and only minisculeley higher drug use rates than the average population.
                  http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/oct96/niaaa-23.htm

                  Just more ignorance.

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                    squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Perhaps you could check it out for yourself. Get out in the trenches and you'll see the truth.

                  2. Marquis profile image60
                    Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Yea, ignorance on your part. You love making excuses for people who choose to become welfare creeps and homeless drug addicts.

                2. jandee profile image46
                  jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Tell me! How many homeless people and out of employment people are there in your country ?

                3. jandee profile image46
                  jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  YOU seem to know all about it.

              2. teamrn profile image80
                teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                My 2nd try. That homeless man will say that compared to what socialism could have provided, he had the POTENTIAL for doing better under capitalism. Sure, he would have received clothing and shelter, but it would have been at your expense. That's no big deal, because we always want to help the less fortunate, right?

                But, what happens when YOU have no more cash to pay for the homeless man's food and shelter? He AND you become homeless together, so now that makes 2 homeless people, so they reapply to the government for 'homeless benefits,; the government obliges and beings to carry twice the debtt it has. Plus,

                Under Captailism the system would provide for housing and shelter of the same homeless man, help teach him a skill that he could market and make his way in the world. He's have his pride that would be intact and then BEAM when he finally 'made it.; This would be no temporary fix, where socialism, provides a temporary fix which leads to a permanent life on dependency rolse and a way or thinking that I AM OWED, BECAUSE I CAN'T DO IT FOR MYSEL and while I'm at it, I have a brother who has a wife and daughter and they;re out of a job. Can you help them? Soon it is a DEPENDENCY CLUB.

                1. John Holden profile image61
                  John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Socialism isn't capitalism - lite, For a country to run out of resources to feed and cloth its inhabitants it would have to be bereft of all resources.
                  YOU don't have to pay for anything FOR anybody else because nobody is homeless and hungry (besides hopefully, the bankers).

                  1. teamrn profile image80
                    teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Eventually, John, when you siphon off enough money from the Bill Gates and Mitt Romneys, they'll have little and the country will have no where to turn to feed the homeless.

                    But other countries will still want borrowed money paid back, bills paid, etc; so the government will give less, the homeless will get more restless, and eventually the homeless, will get so little, they'll rise up against the very government that fed and clothed them and sheltered them: LIKE GREECE.

                    Being bereft of resources can easily happen when you have fewer and fewer people working and more and more people dependent on the government, draining it (for lack of better term) of resources.

                    "YOU don't have to pay for anything FOR anybody else because nobody is homeless and hungry" Eventually you have to pay the piper. Why do you think Margaret Thatcher said, "The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."

                    Dream on and what utopia did you just emerge from, Pollyanna?

                  2. 61
                    squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    - just because some people went to town with capitalism doesn't mean it is a bad system. We just need to revolutionize regulation!

                2. Hollie Thomas profile image60
                  Hollie Thomasposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Far better to let the one homeless man remain homeless, yet continue to fund pointless wars and banker bailouts, because, a homeless man is so much more expensive. roll

                  1. teamrn profile image80
                    teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    But, no, the homeless man must be cared for and given a chance to stand on his own two feet. Given the tools that you and I had, But when he continuously tosses those tools aside and goes back to living on the stresses, because it's FREE MONEY, there's a certain level of stupidity involved in the government that is being played the fool.

                    I made it really clear that in capitalism, the desire to care for the homeless is right up there. But when you've taught the homeless to fish and they don't use the skills that they've learned TO GO FISH (rather they take advantage of you) you have a choice to make. He made his choice and now you have your choice.

                    'Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime'-that's what Capitalists believe. Liberals believe that if you GIVE him a fish whenever he wants one, he'll be beholden to you for a lifetime. Indentured servitude. That's not doing the homeless many any favors and it's only making you 'feel good.'

            3. jandee profile image46
              jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              What you mean is that then we all go into the bakers and collect our bread then off to the shop for our milk and other groceries of the day-all free of course.
              We have hair that is not grey as we no longer worry about our mortgage as such things are history,all our children are healthy and extremely well educated as health care and education as well as houses and food are the rights of all.
              Sounds good to me.

              1. Marquis profile image60
                Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Jandee hates work.
                Jandee is lazy\

                Jandee hates merit
                Jandee wants everything given to him/her

                Jandee hates U.S.
                Jandee is still upset that Communist U.S.S.R fell

                Long live America. Long live capitalism. Death to Communism. Death to Socialism.

                1. jandee profile image46
                  jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Sounds like you mean death to me as well?   Just shows what a loving being you are. Why are you so terrified of Rule by the majority ?

                  1. wilderness profile image96
                    wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Maybe because a simple rule by majority, without major safeguards, will always result in the majority overrunning the wishes and rights of the minority.  And the biggest single problem here is demanding that the minority give up the goods, materials and money they've earned in order to support the minority.

                    Given a chance, people will always vote themselves "free" money at the expense of others; it is seen in a big way in the US as that Rule by the majority runs roughshod over the rights of the minority in this manner.

          2. jandee profile image46
            jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Josac, I read and understood that you ended the sentence with -as long as -harming no other- so what is marquis on about ?

            1. jandee profile image46
              jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Re. above comment should read "as long as it is not harming others"sorry about mistake in earlier comment

        2. jandee profile image46
          jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          They would probably be put out of their misery by a b.......t, hopefully.

          1. teamrn profile image80
            teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            What? Do you really THINK that capitalism is like that?

            1. jandee profile image46
              jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              What are you on about !!

      2. jandee profile image46
        jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        ?

  26. Marquis profile image60
    Marquisposted 3 years ago

    The problem with the clueless Left is they do not deal with individuals. They like to create systems dedicated to erasing the problems not seeing that people choose to do wrong.

    I think the Left has no concept of right or wrong. They do understand how to waste money on needless programs though.

  27. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 3 years ago

    When will the world finally admit that each and every socialist state lies in failure mode !  The republic of the United States , in all of its stregnths of capitalism is a success . It was from the beginning !  Our economy is as much as 30 % of the worlds economic success . Not bad  I'd say !  Let something fall apart anywhere in the world and the U.N.[on American soil ]  requests or even demends our involvement !  Viet Nam , a failure ? According to the veterans I know , the only thing they wern't allowed to do was succeed before they came home ! Politics !  So, say " thank you America "for saving london from Hitler , Paris , Rome, So thank you America for saving the Phillipines , Burma , Africa....While were at it maybe you might thank the vast , silent majority of tax paying Americans for subsidising the breadbasket of the world , To make it so that a bowl of rice  and corn , grain and education  costs pennies  to third world nations who won't or can't feed thier own !  Yes socialistic countries love to hate America  and Americans , but  don't worry , we won't hold that against you the next time you ask for help  from the big guy on the block !

    1. Josak profile image61
      Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Vietnam was a failure, we lost, Philippines we colonized and they fought a war of independence against us. WWI and WWII we only joined because there was a threat to the US not to help anyone, what is so complicated about this.
      Also the vast majority of "socialist" economies either already have higher wealth per capita than us (like Norway) or are growing much faster than us so the failure mode is grossly and hilariously inaccurate.
      The US is a mixed system anyway.
      Additionally we are nowhere near the worlds food basket nor do we subsidize it, South America is (Sugar, rice, potatoes, soy, beef) followed by South East Asia (Rice, Coconut etc.)

      1. ahorseback profile image51
        ahorsebackposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        South America ? , Southeast asia ? Big difference in  lifestyles and quality of life . Please  site a real  equal to our  nations contributions , and use real facts !

        1. Josak profile image61
          Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          South America and South East Asia are the breadbaskets of the world that is what I was referring to with those.

          If you want to talk about quality of life the US is surpassed by dozens of socialist and social democratic nations.

          http://nationranking.files.wordpress.co … 1-qli2.png

          1. Zelkiiro profile image84
            Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            But America's #1 at obesity~!

            WE'RE NUMBER ONE!! WE'RE NUMBER ONE!! WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!

            1. Marquis profile image60
              Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              What does that have to do with the failing system of Socialism? Keep to the topic at hand loser.

              1. Zelkiiro profile image84
                Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                It's the only thing America is #1 in, of course!

                1. Marquis profile image60
                  Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  You mean you want Americans to be skinny little bony malnourished airheads like Europeans?

                  lmao

                  More than half of adults in Europe are overweight or obese, according to a new report issued by the Paris-based Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development.

                  Over the past two decades, obesity rates have more than doubled in most of the member states of the 27-member European Union, according to the Journal of the American Medical Association report. It also indicates that one in seven European children is overweight or obese, and that the problem is set to rise even further.

                  1. jandee profile image46
                    jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    What it is saying is ---European--Womans waistline 28 inches last month
                                   overweight this month ,Womans waistline 29!/"inches this month.

          2. Marquis profile image60
            Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Surpassed by dozens of of nations who make their own polls and fabricate the end results. Sorry, we do not believe the bile that a bunch of Democratic Socialist or Social Democrat nations have happier people. They are only happy because they are welfare bums, hate working for anything and are narcarcistic nihilists.

            1. Zelkiiro profile image84
              Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Got any sources of your own to compare those statistics with, or are you just sippin' the Kool-Aid?

              1. Marquis profile image60
                Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162- … 91704.html

                Also, the British, generally considered the most overweight people in Europe, are considerably smaller than Americans. According to this BBC article, "on average, British men weigh 79.75 kilos (175 pounds) and women 66.7 kilos (147 pounds)."

            2. Josak profile image61
              Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              "the facts prove me wrong so i am going to claim it's a conspiracy" fixed it for you.  tongue so sad

              1. Marquis profile image60
                Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Conspiracy theories are not facts. Provide facts or shut up with posting your lame nonsense.

      2. teamrn profile image80
        teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Josak:

        "Also the vast majority of "socialist" economies either already have higher wealth per capita than us (like Norway) or are growing much faster than us so the failure mode is grossly and hilariously inaccurate. "

        I believe 'ahorseback' wasn't speaking ABOUT AS WE SPEAK, THE PRESENT, but they are on collision course for eventual downfall, but riding hight now.

        The NHS of Canada is just one example; "YES, YOU CAN HAVE THAT MRI because seizures from epilepsy have gotten out of control, but not until we find a machine that will be free to 'do it' in about 6 months! "

        So, yes, they HAVE the items, but when you can use them, is open for discussion. Why do you think Canadians come here in masses for health care? One example.

        1. Josak profile image61
          Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Oh so this is based on your prophesies of impending doom sometime in the future? Need I remind you that Canada has a better life expectancy than us and according to the UN provides much better care for the average Canadian, however if you are wealthy it will be faster to pop across the border to do in in the US.

          We do not get much medical tourism though, we are a huge country with two big land borders and no sanctions yet we get about 60 000 medical tourists per year, Cuba on the other hand (as an example) is tiny, is an Island and it's difficult for Americans to get there and they get 20 000 a year. Which if you adjust it for population means they are getting dozens of times the medical tourists.

          1. Ericdierker profile image81
            Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Help me here on the second big land border.

            1. Josak profile image61
              Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Land border with Canada, land border with Mexico.

              1. Ericdierker profile image81
                Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Thank you.  Wow you do ramble a bit. Ok now I am getting your tilt. "we are a no good lousy country that you just love to death" I definitely had dogs and girlfriends like that. But sooner rather than later I left em.

                1. Josak profile image61
                  Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I do ramble no doubt tongue

                  I don't think America is lousy, I think it's great, like most people however I think it could be better with some different decisions being made.

                  1. Ericdierker profile image81
                    Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Right on brother. When my brothers, sisters and country are screwing up, I gotta step up. Even if it hurts. Only dumb dogs sleep in the road.

  28. jandee profile image46
    jandeeposted 3 years ago

    Hello Horseback.

    Well that's the whole world covered in a few lines of scribble. Thanks for your considered opinion Horseback.
    I suggest that Obama quits and you very swiftly take over as you know the deal,in fact I think your writing gives an indication of your genious

    1. Marquis profile image60
      Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Your jealousy is showing.

    2. Marquis profile image60
      Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Obama should quit. He was way over his head to begin. Biden would be far worse than Obama though. Biden is a Leftist loose-canon.

  29. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 3 years ago

    Well  now that hurts so much when you attack me for being patriotic , Obama should actually step aside and let Anyone run the show better than he has !   Personally I'm more of an isolationist , let the world dig itself out of thier own socialistic quagmires  !  Jandee , I'm not as formally educated as many [you]are yet , I own the rights to more common sense than the average American self loather  does.  And way more than  American bashers from outside of Americas borders  !

    1. Josak profile image61
      Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I wasn't aware you could copyright and own the rights to common sense tongue

      Your comments are just factually inaccurate.

      1. Marquis profile image60
        Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        You do not have common sense to speak of. Your thinking and personal habits are inaccurate.

        1. Josak profile image61
          Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          You don't even know the first thing about my personal habits tongue

          1. jandee profile image46
            jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Careful Josak ! He has you on google,maybe he's got us all on google !!  Knows just what we are doing..

            1. Marquis profile image60
              Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Jandee, you know you suck, right?

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                squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Be careful, Marquis, I know someone who got kicked off for three days in responding to all this. We need you here... but don't kill yourself over it!

                1. jandee profile image46
                  jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Don't worry about it ! I can well take a little rubbish from a little rubbish, never shopped anyone in my life so won't start now.

          2. Marquis profile image60
            Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I have seen how you think and it is very perverted. That is why you support sodomy, same-sex marriages and other sick thinks the Left supports.

            1. Josak profile image61
              Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Yup those are all great big_smile tongue

              1. Josak profile image61
                Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                test

            2. John Holden profile image61
              John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              There is a world of difference between "supporting" and "not opposing" though I doubt you will get it.

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Needs to read and understand a little from Voltaire, doesn't he?

                1. John Holden profile image61
                  John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I think reading and understanding would be a good start smile

                2. Josak profile image61
                  Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Don't we all, he is still beyond even our time.

            3. jandee profile image46
              jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              You need a little help my friend............

      2. Ericdierker profile image81
        Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Really you never heard of Ben Franklin?

        1. Josak profile image61
          Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry I don't understand your comment. (Probably me being thick) could you clarify?

          1. Ericdierker profile image81
            Ericdierkerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            The copyrighting of common sense.

    2. jandee profile image46
      jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Horesback I do understand what you are saying but you don't seem able to get what we are saying.   We are not "bashing" any one of the majority of good people in US. After all we ,every country, has it's own culture which is why people love to travel.  The THING that we are bashing is the very mistaken belief that this thing called capitalism, which is really Imperialism----Wanting and taking from others as is acted out by Israel with your country as it's lackey -remember Israel has more nuclear power than anyone else.

      As far as Obama goes I don't really see that he has any power whatsoever !
      He is the figurehead and one is as good as another in that they are PLACED there by the RULERS and my friend,if you really knew how FEW of these RULERS there really are, you would be astonished !!

      1. Marquis profile image60
        Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        You really do not know what capitalism is. Second, you really do not know what imperialism is either. If you did, you would know that imperialism existed way before America ever existed. You also have the very things that you take for granted thanks to capitalism, not your worthless spread the misery system.

        What rulers are you referring to? If you can give no proof of names, well then you should let it go and stick to facts instead.

    3. jandee profile image46
      jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Horseback,you are misrepresenting me, I did not  say Obama was not able I merely pointed out that in my opinion YOU would be more able as President

    4. teamrn profile image80
      teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      ahorseback, KUDOS FOR SPEAKING YOUR MIND. However, in my mind, President Obama was in over his head from the get-go. Yes, he was a community organizer, but doesn't know what makes up government or a community.

  30. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 3 years ago

    By the way , we once kicked the political tyranists  who like so much  to run other peoples financial and political affairs , and hold a thumb over  our freedoms  out of America . Its just time to do it again that's all !  And we will !

  31. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 3 years ago

    Just who says, Josak ? Which facts are inaccurate ?

  32. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 3 years ago

    That is one of the greatest tools of leftists , Accuracy in statistics , you tend to bend statistics and polls to your own needs in any debate . Remember there is only one truth !

  33. copyrightenforce profile image60
    copyrightenforceposted 3 years ago

    I Agree With - Marquis

  34. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 3 years ago

    As to the opine that I don't understand what I speak of :  my facts  are "inaccurate ", there you go again , making up the rules !  I make no appologies for capitalism  it is only what we allow it to be ! Imperialisms? Not here , not ever ! Liberals always throw labels at  any chance they can !  Thats why you won't see using facts or statistics , they can be and are, adjusted especially by liberals to justify  thier arguments .  It just burns me that those who complain the most about our great nation  do so with such venomous and unjust , immature  hatred ! I and many will never appologize for being American .  Our system works , our political system too ! And most every American that I know at least  ,works as well  . Americans aren't known much for sitting around complaining about the world , we act !

    1. jandee profile image46
      jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Horseback maybe you live in the deep country and never converse with the younger generation ! Nothing wrong with that but maybe an explanation...

  35. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 3 years ago

    Oh and flag me if you will , as thats how  most of the like  minded liberals win an argument , they merely shut  or shout down the voices of moral  righteousness .

    1. Zelkiiro profile image84
      Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      You do realize there's a handy "reply" button below each person's post, so we can see who you're referring to, right? Good Lord, that's like the first thing you're supposed to pick up on in any message board.

  36. Wayne Brown profile image86
    Wayne Brownposted 3 years ago

    Senator Joe McCarthy made it quite clear what was going very wrong with America back in the late 40's and early 50's.  He called out the commies that infested high government places...put there by our own intelligence arms in the aftermath of WWII.  For his efforts, he was labeled a kook, a drunk, and just about everything else in the book.  His points were valid so he had to be discredited and dishonored in order that his perspective could be undermined. Many years later, it is clear that he was right and our country has been overrun the actions and directions of this never-ending cancer which we brought upon ourselves.  We are now raising generations who are never taught the pitfalls of socialism or communism but actually are urged to learn of it and appreciate it as an "alternative culture" the evil capitalist life of greed and theft which our educational system seems to distain.  Prehaps it has much to do with all the socialist and communist who are in high educational places teaching our young impressionable minds that Utopia does actually exist but we cannot get there until we destroy the country that we currently live in that has nurtured generation upon generation of people who have lived and enjoyed freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  Today, our children are being taught that these concepts have little value in light of the potential security that a big and all-knowing government can supply.  This is what is wrong with America today.  ~WB

    1. Marquis profile image60
      Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      The filthy members of the New Left counterculture are responsible.

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        squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I concur.

  37. thecatgallery profile image81
    thecatgalleryposted 3 years ago

    America is no longer the country it was theoretically established to be--"the land of the free, the home of the brave where the government is run by "we the people" with preservation of human rights." This country is run by money--big corporations that have the money to buy and rig elections and sneak through dangerous products for consumers for the profits they make (from oil companies to pharmaceutical companies). Money buys politicians who vote on laws to bring in more money to the corporations. The Government is not run by the people. The people's voice is ignored by those on the right (who are in the wrong), to a large extent because all their information comes from sources like Fox. These people should change their station and listen to the truth, not the Fox distortions (another entity bought by money to promote the big money makers). That "preservation of human rights" is a widely distorted phrase. I used to love this country until I had the opportunity to live and work in Europe. Now I wish I had never left Europe to come back to this mess. The Republicans and their far-right Tea Party have really destroyed the country. They have to have their (big money-supported objectives) way or else, no compromising. Their idea of saving the country is to take away Social Security and Medicare. What a sick "preservation of human rights". And I haven't even gone into the love of this country for wars. Again, the big-money war machine gets rich from the wars. America was such a nice place to grow up in decades ago, but it's a different country now.

    1. teamrn profile image80
      teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      "America is no longer the country it was theoretically established to be-" So since America is no longer the country which it started out to be, are you just planning to roll over and play dead and let someone trample all over your rights?

      Don''t you have a desire AT ALL to have America back tto be what or what America was theorized to be? Or since you don't think the idea, the trial worked, do you want to bend the Constitution around to fit your progressive agenda? If that's the case, go somewhere else and bend THEIR Constitution. Leave mine alone.

      But, if you feel like getting in there and rolling up you shirt sleeves, putting in an honest day's work to make America great agin (I think we all admit America is on a cusp and can go either direction), by all means, please stay and help America be better than it ever was before.

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    Education Answerposted 3 years ago

    Americans haven't unfriended America; America has unfriended Americans.  Since when does a friend listen in to your conversations, spy on you, look at your emails, and make a kill list with your name on it?  Does this sound like America?  Thirty years ago, we'd be calling this science fiction, perhaps 1984.  We might even claim it's the Soviet way.  Now it's the American way.  That's why Americans are concerned.  Our country has turned its sights towards its own citizens.

    It's sad.  I love my country, but my country feels that it must invade my privacy and keep a close eye on me.  Something is inherently wrong with that mentality.  "Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose."

    1. teamrn profile image80
      teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Education, I've been following your statements for a long time. This one hit home for me and the brining in of Janis Joplin was so apropos, but the words are priceless and couldn't fit better, FREEDOM'S JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE..."

    2. teamrn profile image80
      teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Education, I've been following your statements for a long time. This one hit home for me and the brining in of Janis Joplin was so apropos, but the words are priceless and couldn't fit better, FREEDOM'S JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE..."

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        Education Answerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        teamrn,

        Thank you.  I get passionate about our country, and I really thought the quote would fit well.

        1. John Holden profile image61
          John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          So what you are saying is that freedom is not a desirable position!

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            Education Answerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Nope.  Freedom is the most desirable position.

            1. John Holden profile image61
              John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              But nothing to do is anathema to capitalists!

  39. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 3 years ago

    Perhaps apathy in America will be replaced by  the need to complain about government  and then do something about it ! I suspect more people complain than become active in the voting booth ! We really just waste our energy here perhaps !

    1. teamrn profile image80
      teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Ahorseback, Of we think that hard enough, it becomes the self-fulfilling prophecy, that WE ARE WASTING OUR TIME, HERE.

      We may differ on some issues, but agree on others that we  MUST GET AMERICA BACK TO AMERICANS. We need your enthusiasm and energy to accomplish one of the biggest tasks this country has faced.

      What's the name of the song, "don't give up on us..."

  40. John Holden profile image61
    John Holdenposted 3 years ago

    "This talk is falling on John's deaf ears.   Talking to him is futile."

    No, not deaf ears, and talking to me is not futile, unlike telling me, which is, and telling me myths in the expectation that I will believe them is even more futile.

  41. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 3 years ago

    John  um......HUHH ?

  42. John Holden profile image61
    John Holdenposted 3 years ago

    "And the biggest single problem here is demanding that the minority give up the goods, materials and money they've earned in order to support the minority."

    Surely you meant the majority giving up their goods to support the minority!

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      squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Your mistake, John, is in believing that because Some powerful corporations   have not been playing by the rules and got in bed with Some politicians... The whole system of economic freedom should be shut down. This is where your  beliefs are   s e r i o u s l y   flawed.

      1. John Holden profile image61
        John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        If you truly believe you have economic freedom then it is not my beliefs that are flawed.

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          squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          The potential has always been and has allowed the corporations to become the power sources that they are. What is your solution to all this?

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        squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        What the US needs is a president who will take the time, attention, focus and effort to REVOLUTIONIZE REGULATION. And if he won't we need to petition him to do so. We need to stop back room deals, bonuses, and bailouts. It is a flaw in the system which must be dealt with in modern times in the spirit of the Constitution, brought to modern terms.

        1. Zelkiiro profile image84
          Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Large, sweeping social changes like revolutionizing regulation have only occurred during times of peace, as trying to do anything like that during wartime would require a division of attention.

          Before we can do anything of the sort, we have to stop playing our little game of World Police with other countries' wars and devote our military force to defending our own shores with smaller, more passive outposts only in those places where it's absolutely essential. Then we wouldn't need the outlandishly ridiculous military budget we have now, and could devote some of that cash to improving the lives of our own citizens.

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            squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Yet, we have to do a certain amount of policing as that has always been in our best self interest. Keep it to the intent which it has always been: to defend our allies against injustice/ tyranny.

          2. jandee profile image46
            jandeeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Correct.

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    squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago

    But, this president won't act on on behalf of the people against the over powerful corporations... which is proof he is bed with the NWO. Lets see if I get kicked off again.

    1. John Holden profile image61
      John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      No, it's proof that the corporations are more powerful than the President.

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        squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        The President can do something about this. Not abide by it.

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          squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          The power of this nation is the multitude of people on the same page. If the president wanted to do something proactive, not only for the people of this country, but all the other democratic nations in the world, i.e our allies, maybe the fight (against the progression of the NWO,) could be won.
          F i g h t      to win freedom for the individual and the power of self sufficiency.
          G i v e    u p    to socialism.
                               Isolation of the difficulty:  Good for what ?
          Economic Freedom: Allowing freedom for the good of the individual.
          Socialism: Sacrificing Individual freedom for the good of the whole.
                                           Which do you prefer???

          1. John Holden profile image61
            John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Has it never crossed your mind that the USA is at the heart of the NWO?

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              squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              of course, part of the NWO, against the wishes of the people. I would say the majority are clueless.

          2. Josak profile image61
            Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Of course this is not true.
            Please name an individual freedom you would lose under a socialist system.

            Additionally you should define things without bias.

            If you describe Socialist as "Sacrificing Individual freedom for the good of the whole."
            Then you should define Economic Freedom as "Sacrificing the good of the whole for individual freedom"

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              squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              - the right to keep the money you earn . If you leave t he money in the hands of the individual, he is much more frugal, and appropriates the money much more wisely.  Believe it or not, there is an extreme amount of waste in all government programs.  They never stick to a budget and if the private citizen tried to get away with the things that the federal government does he would soon find himself in jail.  It is only a concept of sustainability and that is why the constitution planed to reserve the actions of the federal government to only two things: the protection of the country and the regulation of inter state commerce,all other actions are reserved for the states.

              1. Josak profile image61
                Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                You mean freedom from taxation that we already have now?

                You do realize several socialist states have lower taxes than the USA and a complete socialist system requires no taxes at all?

                So no, factually wrong, try again.

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                  squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Individuals have always been more prone to frugality than any overly bloated government beuracracy.  this is due to fiscal laws and the necessary need to  sustain our attempts of surviving.  Believe it or not there is an extreme amount of waste in every big government program. If the common citizen were to try and get away with what these programs  succeed at ,he would find himself in jail.  It really is only a question of sustainability. This is the reason that the constitution  reserved the actions of the federal government to only the protection of the country and to the regulation of interstate commerce. All other actions of the government are reserved to the states.

                  1. Josak profile image61
                    Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    So that's a no on providing an individual liberty/freedom lost? Ok then

                    IF you want to compare democratic small government nations against democratic large government nations in terms of economic growth, quality of life, happiness index I am happy to do so but you won't like the results.
                    The proof is in the pudding as they say.

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                  squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Maybe the socialist countries you are referring to, Mr Josak, are not funding school lunches, etc.

                  Here in US, Illegal government executive agencies are passing laws without the yea or nay of Congress. Our government has become too big. That is why we are broke... yet they keep wanting to do what they are not authorized to do under the Constitution.

                  1. Josak profile image61
                    Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    School lunches and programs of the sort are very very common, i suspect they probably are, one significant difference is less "defense" spending and more actual defense spending, which is cheaper than creating and maintaining an offensive army.

            2. Marquis profile image60
              Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              You should take your own medicine.

              You have done NOTHING but use Socialist bias in every post.

              1. John Holden profile image61
                John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Whereas, of course, there isn't a shred of bias in any of your posts!

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              Education Answerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Wouldn't we lose the right to not use government healthcare under a socialized system?

              1. John Holden profile image61
                John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                No, you'd be perfectly free to go into the woods and treat yourself with nuts and berries.

              2. Josak profile image61
                Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Nope, most systems have socialized care and the option of private care for those who wish to/can afford to buy it.

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                  squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  - what if most opted out? no socialism.  Socialism is not a voluntary setup.   (And the health care program would be unsustainable, otherwise.)

                  1. John Holden profile image61
                    John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    And capitalism is!

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                  Education Answerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  What's the penalty?  With Obamacare, isn't there a penalty for opting out?

                  1. John Holden profile image61
                    John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    No penalty in the UK, though you really have to continue to pay into the NHS even if you don't use it directly, which is fair enough as in the UK private medicine provides no basic training and uses a lot of NHS paid staff and resources.

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                squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                wow, good answer, Eduction Question!

                1. Josak profile image61
                  Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Already answered, people do not have to take socialized healthcare.

                  1. Marquis profile image60
                    Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Bullsh+t -

  44. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 3 years ago

    Corporate America pays for the trillion dollar campaigns that put these guys in office to start with , whos gonna  bite the hand that feeds them ? Obama sure as heck won't , I think the whole presidential campaign is a smoke and mirrors game to deflect the attention away from senate  and congressional pilfering  and profitizing  . We need Term limits bad ,  we need perhaps a two party presidential team ,  and we need for American voters to get off thier kiesters and vote a whole lot of scum out of office .

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      squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Right. Step one:
                                            Vote out the career politicians.

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        squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Step two:  get the real picture and spread the real picture.

      2. Zelkiiro profile image84
        Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Sounds like a good start. I'll continue:

        Step two: Mandatory surprise IQ tests for all political applicants. No one with an IQ less than 140 should be allowed to hold any position.

        EDIT: I like my step two better. neutral

        1. Marquis profile image60
          Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          A lot of career politician Democrats would be out of office.

          1. Josak profile image61
            Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Most politicians would be out of office full stop.

          2. Josak profile image61
            Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Most politicians would be.

            1. Marquis profile image60
              Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Did you know that I ran for mayor of Detroit once?

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                squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Too bad you were not elected, Marquis.

                1. Marquis profile image60
                  Marquisposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Yea, I received only 3 votes.

                  Even my mother didn't vote for me. She said she knew "how I was."

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                    squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Things will change as we become more enlightened.  Founding Fathers were ahead of their time.

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          squeeknomoreposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          we all need to understand the Constitution and how it is designed to protect us!

    2. teamrn profile image80
      teamrnposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      "we need for American voters to get off thier kiesters and vote a whole lot of scum out of office ." I couldn't agree with you more. But that begs the question, HOW?

      HOW do we get them off of their keisters when sooooo many of them deny the sheer existence of a problem, or are sooooo busy with their lives they don't have time to deal with the problems that this country fact?

      HOW do we  convince them that they have to MAKE time or the country that they and their children love, will not be there-or will be there in a FAR DIFFERENT form from what they think?

      We have to rid a lot of this country of it's laissez-faire/'I could care less' attitude. Let's put our collective heads on. HOW do we do it without using scare tactics?

  45. copyrightenforce profile image60
    copyrightenforceposted 3 years ago

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