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What's this, is Trump at it again? Tarnish on the Conservative brand?

  1. Credence2 profile image84
    Credence2posted 4 years ago

    Greetings all, check out this article and if you are so inclined share your thoughts. I think that this Trump guy is a bull in a china shop and is the reason the GOP has so little credibilty with Hispanic and, in general, minority voters. They keep on bringing the same clowns to the big top! Obviously, the GOP did not learn much from their sound defeat last fall...... I ask those of the rightwing persuasion, "does Trump speak for all of you?"

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/28854 … on-message

    1. American View profile image61
      American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Cred,

      Hey buddy, how is it going? It is been a while since I've heard from you. I hope all is well.
      I am not sure why the Republicans do dumb trouble platform that there were events. I mean in reality if he ran for any office he would not get elected. And honestly I really don't think he wants to be elected to any public office. Having said that, perhaps what you said could have been done with better tact and taste. But let's be honest what he said is true, Rep. Ruben Hinojosa (R-Tex.) took exception..

      "When it comes to immigration, you know that the 11 million illegals, even if given the right to vote, you know, you're going to have to do what's right, but the fact is 11 million people will be voting Democratic,” Trump said.

      Now I do not know the entire context of the speech I am just looking at this one paragraph. Now we know there are approximately 11,000,000 illegals and we do know a large block of them already vote, but for those that don't and then once become legal will have an impact on elections. And history does show the likelihood is they will vote Democrat. So I guess the question would be is he trying to tell Republicans to not allow immigration reform could they don't want these voters becoming eligible.I don't see it because he specifically says"you're going to have to do what's right". Another words, trumpet sang the right thing to do is immigration reform and get this 11 million people legal status. So what is so wrong in what he said, he agrees there needs to be reform and is pointing out the obvious that the majority of those will be Democratic voters.

      When it comes to immigration, you know that the 11 million illegals, even if given the right to vote, you know, you're going to have to do what's right, but the fact is 11 million people will be voting Democratic,” Trump said.

      Again,  Trump could have used better tact and elegance.Immigration allows approximately 1,000,000 new people into the country each year. Of the 1 million only 13% are allowed from Europe. Compare that to the Hispanic nations which are at 50%. Remember, these are legal numbers, if you factor in the illegal members European immigrants are probably around 5%.

      So what does all this mean in this grand scheme of things, not much really. Trump is a dope and we all know it. I know every time he says something Cred you pointed out for us to see. Do not obsess over him, he is not worth it. Just think if he did not is reality show we would never see him. I think all this crap he does is to just focus the attention on him to promote a show. He is nothing more than a Carney.

      Take care my friend I hope to see you soon

      1. Credence2 profile image84
        Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Hello, AV, it has been a while and it is nice to visit with you again! My question, why invite him? He has been a big negative, if you don't want him to be taken seriously why give him a stage? Why continue to stoke his ego? I think that it was a mistake to not invite Gov. Christie of New Jersey, but have room on the speakers' list for Trump? That is why I wonder if lessons were learned.....

        Trump's statement that these 11 million people if granted amnesty would all vote democratic is not accurate. If the GOP works with the Dems on immigration reform, there is not a reason why the GOP would not receive any credit for the outcome. I know that there are thoughtful people in the GOP that are both opposed to amnesty/the path to citizenship verses otherwise. That is not my gripe, it is how Trump frames the argument to make race a pointed issue in the debate, when it should not be.  I don't see how people who are for the most part afraid of being identified would take time to go to polls in such a risky venture. In all fairness, I think that the 'path to citizenship', if a way is to made, should not immediately include the right to the franchise for a period of years.

        I don't agree that there are a substantial amount of illegal immigrants voting in our elections. Trump speaks of the relative virtue of European immigrants. These people come from Socialist Democratic societies, why would they not be automatic assumed to be Democratic voters? What is Trump's logic here? Trump implies that 11 million (most hispanic) illegal immigrants are lazy and that the Europeans are industrious and would naturally find kinship with the GOP. If he wants to talk about the virtue of highly skilled and highly educated compared with those who are not, let's apply that to everyone and not fixate it on one group over another.

        In 1965, Immigration regs were changed to increase allowance from those nations not associated with Europe, I would not object to a balance to allow the opportunity to immigrate legally being applied fairly and equally over all of the planet's continents.

        AV, my question remains, why allow a dope center stage, when serious strategies are being considered by conservatives as to the way forward? He has done nothing but embarrass the GOP and the conservative brand. I don't take him seriously, of course, but by extending Trump an invitation and a time to speak, it is obvious that many still take him seriously. That's my beef.

        You know I have to ask the hub pages to send me the daily rundown of who has hubs published, they stopped sending me this information, that use to come on a daily basis. I have missed our discussions and have found myself in brawls more than I would like.

        Again, nice to see ya, stay well!

        1. American View profile image61
          American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Cred,

          Like you, I too wonder why they invite him to the show unless it is just because he draws attention even if it is negative attention.

      2. GA Anderson profile image86
        GA Andersonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Sorry AV - but I couldn't resist, but you need to slow down - either your typing fingers can't keep up with your thoughts, or that last  martini should have been the one that got away smile

        GA

        1. American View profile image61
          American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          GA,

          Thank you so much once again showing us just how proud you make us handicap people feel.. I know, this is your only vice picking on us handicap people, thanks.

          I guess you agreed with what was written since all you could do was "not resist" on the grammar corrections, we are so proud of you.

          Since I do not type much and I use the Dragon program, which has been explained to you several time before but I guess since grammar corrections are so important to you remembering a conversation that has occurred several times before is not.

          So for the fifth or sixth time now, perhaps when the day ever comes that HP has spell or grammar check for the forums I can rise the the level of expectations that will meet with your approval. I just want you to know I hope it is soon since it keeps me awake at nights.

          Sorry, I just could not resist, had to do it since I just down my 50th Martini.

          1. Soul Man Walker profile image60
            Soul Man Walkerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Dang, bro! Save some for the posse.

          2. GA Anderson profile image86
            GA Andersonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Well, that was certainly a bit more response than I expected from what was intended as a light-hearted jest ...

            And of course since you sound offended, it deserves more than another light-hearted reply.

            First, as mentioned, it was intended as a friendly jest, but, if you took it as "picking" on a handicapped person - then please accept my apology. It was not intended that way.

            I have read many of your posts, and contrary to your assertion that the fact you are handicapped has been pointed out "5 or 6 times" - I did not know you were handicapped. My ignorance would not justify a purposeful slur, but it does validate my claim that it was not intended as "picking on you handicapped people"

            Since you brought it up - what is your handicap? Other than thin-skin, I mean.

            And, no, I did not agree with all you said, I do not believe there is such a massive voter fraud issue with those 11 million illegal immigrants.  I have heard no authoritative source verify that "a large block" of them voted illegally. Perhaps you could tell me where you got this inside info from?

            Also, you are once again mistaken, I made no grammar corrections - I merely pointed out the bloopers. (perhaps unnecessarily)

            Speaking of the Dragon program, I did not know you used that, even though you maintain that fact has also been pointed out multiple times. I said I have seen many of your posts, obviously I have not seen all of them, or I am certain I would have seen the issues you say have been pointed out multiple times.

            Of course I'm assuming you mean those issues have been pointed out in your threads multiple times, and not pointed out to me specifically, as you mistakenly said - my memory isn't that bad ... yet.

            But... I did have an "aha" moment later, after my reply, when I considered the phrase "trumpet sang" as perhaps being a Dragon program mash-up of "Trump saying" - appears I was right.

            ps. HP forum posts already have spell-check - try typing "overrreacted" and look for the red squiggly line that tells you it's spelled wrong. Alas, HP is still working on grammar-check in their QAP program - maybe it will filter down to forum posts later.

            As for rising to my approval? Hopefully you have your sights set higher than that. I am surprised that you still have a sleeping problem though - what with all those martinis. 50 you say? And was it "down my 50th" or "downed my 50th? There goes that Dragon again.

            On a serious note. If you remember any of our exchanges, has there ever been any that indicated my intentions were as you took them?

            Wouldn't a much more logical response have been a jestful quip about the limitations of the Dragon program and slurred speech?

            GA

            1. American View profile image61
              American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Well, that was certainly a bit more response than I expected from what was intended as a light-hearted jest ... BTW, "hearted" has a red squiggly line under it.

              When one does it once or twice it is a light hearted jest. After that the joke gets stale, and if it continues the joke gets old. GA, we are long past old, time for new material.

              Despite I have pointed out my handicap to you several times before (sorry if your memory is going), if you have been reading my articles and posts, it has been mentioned many times before. GA, this was not the first time you did this with me, and you have made the same corrections to others here. If you want to keep being the grammar spell check sheriff. Go ahead, just do not do it with those who point out it is not appreciated.

              As for the voter issue, like the statistic there are 11 million illegal’s here in the US, there is not data to support the claim. It is merely an estimate the government tosses out there. Same with the voter issue, there are just estimates out there from several states. For example, Florida claimed they found over 180,000 illegal’s as registered voters.

              If you remember any of our exchanges, has there ever been any that indicated my intentions were as you took them?  YES, why else would I have responded.

              As for your approval, I am sure you know I could give a rats *** if you approve (sorry for the curse, the NYer in me comes out from time to time). Feel free to correct this post as well. Just saying, or is it just sang.

              1. GA Anderson profile image86
                GA Andersonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                AV, you are mistaken.

                I remember no such exchanges between us, and since I am confident I do not post replies in the manner your characterization implies, my only thought is that you have me mixed up with someone else.

                My second reply to you was intended as an explanation to "mend fences," but that does not seem to be in the cards. Perhaps we should just leave things as they are.

                GA

          3. GA Anderson profile image86
            GA Andersonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I know I should just let leave this alone.
            I know I have wasted time, (several hours), I could have used more productively.
            but...
            My "stubborn" gene kicked in, and I don't like being wrongly accused.

            So American View ...

            I did a little research on "our" forum exchanges and interactions.

            Based on a search for "American View" in the forums

            caveat: I know I am leaving myself open to correction because my research is not complete, I stopped after:
            23 topics American View participated in
            343 American View posts scanned (at least you accomplished greater exposure of your writings)
            oldest topic thread was 21 months ago - I stopped on a topic from 4 months ago
            *because of the search listings - threads are not strictly chronological, they jump around

            I found:
            No exchanges between us. (although there were threads we both commented in)
            You appear to like to present "facts" vs. opinions ( which is an intelligent way to argue a point)
            You appear to have no problem telling someone they are a "dummy" (my word), and not worth the effort to continue an exchange (but you usually did continue)

            As for the multiple "handicap" and "grammar police" reference ...
            I found two references to being confined to bed in a rehab/nursing facility in a thread 19 months ago*.
            I found two mentions of illness and poor health in a thread 4 months ago*.
              *this was not a thread I participated in

            I did not find a single reference to your "handicap" - certainly not "5 or 6" mentions directed specifically to me.

            That is not to say you are not handicapped - just that I could find no multiple references to the fact, or what your handicap is.

            Obviously, since there were no exchanges between us in this search reference - I did not find any instances of me pointing out your grammar and spell-check issues.

            As for using Dragon ...
            I found two references to using "Dragon" - one, in a thread 9 months ago, and one 6 months ago (you joked about its "mash-ups" - again, my words)

            Then I tried a different forums search using "GA Anderson"

            After scanning 41 threads I participated in, ( I did not count my individual posts)

            I found:
            No exchanges between us. (although there were threads we both commented in)

            So, it appears I was mistaken when I made reference to "previous exchanges" - I can only surmise my mistake was from my familiarity of both of us commenting in the "Politics and Social issues" forums, and I just "assumed" we had engaged in discussions. Apparently I was wrong about that.

            So now the ball is in your court,

            Since I admit my research was not complete, the door is wide open for you to pick-up where I left off and show me the error of my "picking on the handicapped," and "grammar and spell-check police" penchant, with one of your "fact-based" posts that show just where you pointed out to me, (5 or 6 times - your words?), that you were handicapped, and that my (non-existent), grammar and spell-check posts were not appreciated. (5 or 6 times - your words?)

            Note: I do/did not intend this response to be a personal attack on you, but your statements were not factual, and cast me in a negative light that I did not deserve, and the only way to correct this was to show the real "facts."

            GA

            1. American View profile image61
              American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I should leave it alone too, but you got my Scottish/Irish up.

              I did a little research on "our" forum exchanges and interactions.

              If all you did was go back and read "23 topics American View participated in
              343 American View posts scanned
              ", then you did do LITTLE research on me.I am not as involved over the last few months as I once was due to my health and time but those who know me here on HP know very well your assertion of 23 topics is a joke at best. Hell, I probably have over 300 posts with Ralph Deeds alone in the last month. So much for the caveat.

              You appear to have no problem telling someone they are a "dummy" (my word)

              Never anywhere do I call anyone a dummy, you are right , those are your words. How dare you make such a statement, people here know me well as the one who is civil no matter how many times I get called names or insulted. I just respond with respect. So why make such a statement? Are you looking to incite?Try to create an issue that does not exist?

              Now, I am not going to waste a lot of time with research like you did, but you read this thread since you responded to it.. Here are just 2 posts i this thread pointing out my issues with dragon.

              Quilligrapherposted 8 weeks ago

              Howdy AV. Nice to see you. Looks like you are making progress with your Dragon software. I use the free app on my iPhone. I love it for quick emails and text messages.

              Quilligrapherposted 8 weeks ago

              G’day AV. Sorry to read about your problems tweaking Dragon. Having to go back to proofread and edit the software output is usually just as tedious as hunt, peck, and re-typing as you go along. Voice recognition has come a long way but has never replaced a good stenographer.


              I guess your research missed what was in this thread. 2 separate responses clearly mentioning me and the dragon program. You can find them on page one and page 4 if you want to verify.

              As for my health, here is one posting, it does not go very deep into the extent of my handicap, it was just a brief statement in a longer response to JNG

              American Viewposted 14 months ago
              JNG WROTE:
              American View, why don't you have health insurance? You're asking for the rest of us to pay for it. You don't automatically get treatment in this country if you don't have health insurance.
              JNG,

              I was just about to tell you that you were going re-open that can of worms, but I read your profile first and discovered you are new to HP. First let me welcome you and hope you enjoy the site.

              I was a New York Firefighter for 15 years. I was there at ground zero for 3 weeks straight. 4 years ago things started to get strange for me health wise. I suddently woulf gain weight and lose weight every week. But in the end it was a net gain. Most of it was water. About 2 years ago, my body was staring to have a hard time absorbing Oxygen and my Co2 levels would go up. It  spike December 2010. I ended up in the hospital in a coma and on a respirator. I am doing better and looks like I will be leaving in 30-60 days.

              Yes GA, I do write in facts, like the ones I just used above. Facts are good and are accurate. HP is loaded with peoples opinion not backed by facts. Matbe if people would go back to being factual, honest, we could end this petty bickering people are doing today. It gets us nowhere to be infighting and critical.


              GA, I hold no grudges. I was nearly pointing out that the grammar correcting gets old. You are not the first person to ever do it, and it is not exclusive to me. I see it all the time, when someone is not doing well in debating with a fellow hubber, they go grammar check or name calling. In my case my issue is because of my handicap, that's life and I deal with it but it does not stop me. In other people's instance it is because they do not spell well or know good grammar. So when you point out mistakes to them, it becomes insulting, degrading even. See you around the forums.

              1. GA Anderson profile image86
                GA Andersonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I don't hold grudges either. It takes too much effort.

                At least your response explains your sensitivity, and dealing with the issues you have -perhaps it is understandable.

                Maybe I just caught you on a bad day, and that is why I became the face of those frustrations.

                My only objective was to clarify that my postings were not as you labeled them. It appears that perhaps you did not confuse me with anyone else - Maybe my timing was such that I just became the personification of "the straw that broke the camel's back."

                Be assured that even though I don't believe I have ever been "the grammar" police you implied - I will be extra cautious to guard against even the appearance of that in future postings.

                Moving forward...
                I still think stating that a large block of 11,000,000 people voted illegally is a risky position.
                I did follow your "180,000 in Florida" logic and found that there are multiple sources, (more valid than blog posts), for that story. But it looks to me like that number might be a "pre-cooked" weight.

                There are a lot of "if/thens" that must be validated; ie. drill-down on DOT records re. why the differences - death, moved out of state, name change, etc., before a final true number is found.

                Following that logic relative to swing states, New Mexico only found a difference of 106 voters - so it could be a long road to accumulate a number large enough to be that "large block of 11,000,000.

                GA

                1. American View profile image61
                  American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  GA,

                  I appreciate the response, I agree let's move on.

                  The illegal issue as it pertains to voting in know but the attitude towards it is play it down or turn the other cheek.I know you agree, one false vote is too many. And if there is one, there is more, if thee is more, there are a lot. Smoke breads fire. How can we get an accurate count on how any illegals vote when we really do not know how many there are. But there are many documented cases showing they vote or someone who does. The 180,000 in Florida can go both ways, maybe less, maybe more.

                  Recently a woman was interviewed for casting a double vote in her name. During the interview she admitted to double voting not only her name but 6 other family members, 14 false votes. The police investigated her due to the interview and it turns our she registered her neighbors who were illegals and double voted for them too. 21 people, 42 votes

                  So what is the answer, how do we accurately document the voting, the registration process, and the actual casting process.

    2. profile image0
      Brenda Durhamposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      It amuses me to see people claim that what some speakers say is putting a "tarnish" on the Republican Party.........because the Democrat Party is already so tarnished its symbol might as well be sitting in a rusty junkyard.

      1. Credence2 profile image84
        Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Depends on your point of view, doesn't it? The forces of the left are not the ones having the conferences for the purpose of soul searching at the moment. You said once that the right ought to stick with its arcane positions even if it continues to lose elections. Well, it looks like the majority of this country's electorate take issue with your point of view.

    3. Seth Winter profile image84
      Seth Winterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      All politics aside it's true. Not racist. Obama drops things like the Dream Act and releasing illegal aliens from prison and he gets a large boost in rating. And why wouldn't a minority be a democrat? They have enough racist program setup to help them...affirmative action, various non-white groups...whereas Conservatism is less on racial preferences and more bang for your buck.

      1. Credence2 profile image84
        Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        So you agree that those of European extraction are automatically more industrious and resourceful than their dusky counterparts in the southern hemisphere?.That is what Trump basically said in his diatribe. THAT is racist and unacceptable.

        1. Seth Winter profile image84
          Seth Winterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Oh your referring to that...well like Trump I have friends in Europe...heck I have family that has been trying to come here for years. Under Obama's policies my friends and family should just of come over to this nation illegally and waited to be rewarded for breaking the law. But I digress.

          But in answer to your question I wouldn't say automatically more industrious or resourceful but yes essentially I agree with his statement.  It's not racist if its true.  A good many of those want-to-be European immigrants speak multiple languages, how many from the Southern Hemisphere can even speak english?

          1. Credence2 profile image84
            Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            You know, if the economic and political distress among European nations was what we see in Central America and if the continents were joined, who knows maybe we would have just as much a concern with illegals from Europe.

            As to your second paragraph, who says that it is true? Being multilingual certain is a factor, but it is not the only one that should be used to determine who gets to come and stay verses otherwise. I did say I think the opportunity should be made equally to all. I did not say anywhere that I was in favor of illegal immigration regardless of the point of origin of the miscreants. Education and the ability to support oneself and family is a valid consideration but that does not necessarily have to have racial boundaries, there are many non whites who can qualify. I want it fair and equal for all, no exceptions. It took from the founding days of the republic till 1965 when we finally fairly addressed the issue. We are not going back....

            1. Seth Winter profile image84
              Seth Winterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              You want proof...cold hard numbers.

              Mexico-Third World Country,
              Europe-No Third World Country's.

              Better education system typically in countries that are not third world. Want evidence of that too? Average IQ in Germany is 102. Average IQ in Mexico is 87. Now that doesn't mean that Mexico doesn't have smart people, but it does mean that their immigrants might be less educated and higher risk for being drain on social programs then someone from Germany.



              Enough said?

              Also a thing of note Cred a good many of the people who claim they want the world to be fair, only want it to be fair to a certain point. Do you support the NAACP? Affirmative Action, Dream Act? A fair system would mean that we would kick out every single illegal alien in the attempt to be fair to those that came to this nation LEGALLY. So do you support a fair system?

              1. Credence2 profile image84
                Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Seth, you said, 
                A fair system would mean that we would kick out every single illegal alien in the attempt to be fair to those that came to this nation LEGALLY. So do you support a fair system?

                Yes, it is fair, but is it practical to round up and deport 12 million people?
                I don't subscribe to the phrenology type theories as to racial superiority based on IQ, sorry....
                Was it fair for an entire race to enslave another, what do the enslaved people do to get a footing again belng finally freed and behind the 8 ball? Some of the reasons for affiramative action and the existence of the NAACp can be explained by that.

                1. Seth Winter profile image84
                  Seth Winterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes I support a completely fair American system. We do what is right for American first and then worry about everyone else.

                  Since it would be fair to kick out all illegals just not practical then let's go about it in a practical sense. Want to send your kids through the public education system? Great, prove your an American. Want to get a job somewhere in American? Great prove your an American. It's simple and as easy as bringing your Birth Certificate.

                  As for the IQ I wasn't going for the racial superiority simply stating that countries that are not 3rd world nations tend to educate citizens better. Look at an average IQ from various nations, you will see 3rd world nations is significantly lower then 1st world nations. Hence, getting immigrants from a 1st world nation will consistently better equiped immigrants then immigrants from nations who are 3rd world.


                  An another thing...you said "was it fair for an entire race"....what entire race would that be? The whites? Because if you say the whites I'm going to scream racist and start pointing fingers. I'm white and my family from both sides came into this nation after the civil war. So saying an entire race enslaved another...is stupid. 

                  Why should a race be given benefits for something that happen to their ancestors? Because not a single black person today was a slave nor do they know of anyone who was a slave. I can see affirmative action or NAACP as being useful 40 years ago, but today it just drives a gap between races.

                  1. John Holden profile image61
                    John Holdenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    An Intelligence quotient test is a measure of intelligence, not education. The common IQ tests are weighted toward a particular type of person.

                    It is possible to be entirely uneducated but intelligent, just as it is possible to be educated but not intelligent.

                  2. Credence2 profile image84
                    Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Seth, you said:

                    Yes I support a completely fair American system. We do what is right for American first and then worry about everyone else.

                    Since it would be fair to kick out all illegals just not practical then let's go about it in a practical sense. Want to send your kids through the public education system? Great, prove your an American. Want to get a job somewhere in American? Great prove your an American. It's simple and as easy as bringing your Birth Certificate.

                    OK

                    You said:
                    As for the IQ I wasn't going for the racial superiority simply stating that countries that are not 3rd world nations tend to educate citizens better. Look at an average IQ from various nations, you will see 3rd world nations is significantly lower then 1st world nations. Hence, getting immigrants from a 1st world nation will consistently better equiped immigrants then immigrants from nations who are 3rd world.

                    A tendency is not an absolute, before I discriminate against people based on point of origin, I will need absolutes. Sorry, I don't buy that.... I want everybody treated the same, not decide that emigrants from the 3rd world are automatically not qualified.

                    You said:
                    An another thing...you said "was it fair for an entire race"....what entire race would that be? The whites? Because if you say the whites I'm going to scream racist and start pointing fingers. I'm white and my family from both sides came into this nation after the civil war. So saying an entire race enslaved another...is stupid. 

                    Well, if you are aware of your history, yes before 1865, one race enslaved the other and I never read any account of slavery applied to white persons at the time. So who is doing it to whom? Don't be silly, just because you and family may not be directly responsible does not mean that the travesty did not occur with all the remedies made necessary.

                    You said:
                    Why should a race be given benefits for something that happen to their ancestors? Because not a single black person today was a slave nor do they know of anyone who was a slave. I can see affirmative action or NAACP as being useful 40 years ago, but today it just drives a gap between races.

                    I question affirmative action policies at time, there is still a great deal of racism and discrimination in this society at several levels. It is naive of you to think that it has gone away in all its forms. But as a white person, you would be oblivious to such things that you have not really looked into to determine the validity of the complaints from the other side?

              2. John Holden profile image61
                John Holdenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                That doesn't mean that Mexicans are less educated or less intelligent, it just means that they have different way of thinking. One that is no less moral and upright than western thinking, just different.

                If IQ tests were slewed toward Mexicans then who knows, perhaps the Germans would score 87 and the Mexicans 102 (on average).

                1. Seth Winter profile image84
                  Seth Winterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I brought up the IQ to insinuate less education.  Hence the using the word Mexico to mean a nation, and not the race.  Essentially a white person could be born and raised in Mexico and have less of an advantage then one born in Germany...btw American scored 98 on the average IQ.

                  1. Mighty Mom profile image90
                    Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    For the greatest nation on earth, we're not as smart as we think we are (or one might argue, as we could or should be).
                    Is that perhaps because we are, as you pointed out in another post, spending too many of our resources outside the US (for example, on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan) rather than on educating our citizens
                    so we can be more competitive with, say, Poland and Italy?
                    lol
                    http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries … verage-iq/

  2. Zelkiiro profile image83
    Zelkiiroposted 4 years ago

    Donald Trump should've been fired and socially ostracized years ago. Why is he still here?!

    1. Credence2 profile image84
      Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Well, Z, that is my question......

  3. John Holden profile image61
    John Holdenposted 4 years ago

    Just how do 11 million illegal immigrants get to vote in your country?

    1. Credence2 profile image84
      Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Well, John, I don't think that they are, the right clains this. If I were an illegal immigrant I would be keeping a low profile, not standing in line waiting to vote with the risk of discovery and deportation associated with that.

      To answer you, I don't think that they are voting in any sizable numbers

      1. John Holden profile image61
        John Holdenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Hm, thought as much smile

        In my country immigrants (legal) are just as likely to vote for right wing parties as left.

        1. Barefootfae profile image59
          Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Why do you think we were calling Barack Obama Santa Claus after the last election?

          The Democrat Party keeps the minorities in a virtual slave condition but they have what they want so they vote for the Donkey.
          How would you feel if a Party just ave you everything you want and why do you think they want taxes to be so high?

          1. Credence2 profile image84
            Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Standard right wing fodder, Barefoot, as a minority, I tell you that what you say about "virtual slaves" is far from true. Contrary to popular rightwing opinion, 90 percent of the black electorate are not being "fooled" by the Dems as you imply. Believe me,  I am better qualified to speak to this than are you

          2. Credence2 profile image84
            Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Oh, By the way Barefootae, I am sure that you are aware that the Asian minority groups gave Obama over 70% of their vote. A group with average higher education levels and higher household incomes than the average American, so are they waiting for a handout? Better reassess your reasoning here.

            P.S. Did you know that the Jews gave the majority of their vote to Mr. Obama?

            1. Barefootfae profile image59
              Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Yes I am aware of that about the Jews and felt it was a shame they don't seem to have learned anything about him.
              He is anything but their friend.

              1. Credence2 profile image84
                Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                On the contrary, they knew exactly what they were doing, they are hard working and resourceful people who I doubt would ever allow themselves to be caught with their britches down, so to speak.

                1. Barefootfae profile image59
                  Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  They voted for him because he was standing next to the sign of the Donkey.
                  Period.

                  1. Credence2 profile image84
                    Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Well, Barefootae,it sounds like you are throwing up your hands in disgust or dismay. Would you care to answer the question why Asians and Jews voted for Obama, since they are obviously not in need of hand outs?

                    "Standing next to the sign of the donkey", is incoherent, what does that suppose to mean? Certainly do not mean to put you on the spot......

                    If you are supposed to be a representative voice of conservatism, you are going to have to do better..

    2. American View profile image61
      American Viewposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      John,

      In the same way they take advantage of programs they are not entitled to because they are illegals, by getting phony SS numbers, DL's and other forms of identification.

      As for the current batch of 11 million illegals, it would be hard to know for sure just how many vote but I would not be surprised if it turned out to be half of them.

    3. Barefootfae profile image59
      Barefootfaeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      The Democrat Party sees to it....that's how.

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    Sooner28posted 4 years ago

    You'd think the GOP would stop giving this crazy man a platform.

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    Education Answerposted 4 years ago

    Still, the POTUS hasn't released his academic records.  Trump has a grandiose way of doing things, but that doesn't negate the fact that the POTUS wouldn't have some of these problems with Trump if he really were the "most transparent" president ever.

    Yes, I know it's a bit off topic, but in a way, it's really on topic too. . .

    1. Credence2 profile image84
      Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Barack Obama is the President of the United States not a shoe shine boy. Since when does he have to answer to Donald Trump for anything? This birther stuff and transcrips were never asked of Bush or McCain. Even though Barack obama has been throughly vetted as part of the campaign in 2008, we give credibiltiy to questions asked by  an idiot with a rug on his head? From my side of the divide, I consider the endless emphasis on these matters as evidence of a strong tinge of racism within the ranks of the political right. Of course, that is not going to get you nowhere with the expanding minority population in this country. With this attitude, CPAC or no, the conservatives will continue to lose.

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        Education Answerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        He doesn't have to answer to Trump; on this, we agree.  He does, however, have to answer to the public.  Yes, the transcript issue was asked of Bush; his transcripts were leaked.  This has nothing to do with racism, but the response is so typical of the left.  Blame it on racism.  This has everything to do with transparency, something we get very little of from the POTUS.

        Let's have some transparency with regard to Fast and Furious, Benghazi, and a few other issues too.  Is it always about racism when somebody says that the POTUS isn't being transparent?  If it is, many of us must have serious issues with skin color, as I have had the same "transparency" questions with Nixon, Clinton, and so many other people who were not black.  Racism, no.  Honesty, yes.

        1. Credence2 profile image84
          Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Is the public interested or is just rightwing ideologues? I would agree with you that he would be better making them available than otherwise, but what relevance does it have? GW. Bush is a perfect case for the fact that one need not be a Rhodes scholar to be president.

          The only voices I hear screaming 'transparency'are coming from the right, and the credibility from that source is always suspect in my mind. We get as much transparency as we got from Bush during the Iraq War "weapons of mass destruction'? I am not denying your point but these complaints are coming more from partisan motives than otherwise. I do not pretend to speak as to your motives, but the hard rightwingers are the only one that seem to have a problem..... So, by your own admission, these sorts of issues come up in every administration....

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    Education Answerposted 4 years ago

    It's probably a bit of both who are interested in the truth.  The difference between the POTUS and previous presidents is that the POTUS promised that he would be the most transparent president ever.   

    "My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government.  We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in government."

    Benghazi
    Fast and Furious
    Drones

    We have a hard time getting that transparency.

    1. Credence2 profile image84
      Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      This may be true, EA, but I have yet to see any administration keep all of its promises, it is the way of the beast. If I  have to choose between what I believe is the lesser of two evils, it is the left over the right.

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        Education Answerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I thought we were going to have hope and change though.  Obviously, I say that with sarcasm.

        Guantanamo Bay is still open.
        The debt is growing. . .That's one big can being kicked down the road.

        The POTUS is far, far from transparent.  The POTUS hasn't kept many promises.  Yes, that's the norm, but wasn't the POTUS supposed to be different?  "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

        1. Credence2 profile image84
          Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          They ALL say that they are going to be different, the President, even with the highest aspirations is contained in his power by the other 2 branches. If you ask me, had the GOP got out of the way, we would be further down the road toward recovery than we are currently, for example. Just my humble opinion.

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            Education Answerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            If the republicans would have gotten out of his way?  He initially had control of both halves of Congress.  That's pretty far out of the way.

            While every candidate says this, the POTUS made these claims with the kind of zeal never seen at the executive level.  There was a difference, yet now, there is no difference.

  7. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 4 years ago

    Is it too late to respond to the OP?
    I would just like to observe:
    1. The GOP seems to need a class clown on the podium at all times.
    Makes the others look more sane or smart.
    Case in point during the primaries.
    Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry and Herman Cain served to make Romney appear like the sane choice.
    2. Trump provided comic relief from more serious speakers at CPAC.
    3. Maybe he BOUGHT his way in!!

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      Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I still think Trump is a Democratic plant.  He donated to Democrats in the past, so it wouldn't surprise me if he says outrageous things to try to make Republicans look bad.

      1. Credence2 profile image84
        Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Interestive perspective, Sooner, with his foot in mouth disease this has got to be a situation comedy where he is, in actuality, a double agent.

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          Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Maybe I am just hoping no one is that crazy

          1. Credence2 profile image84
            Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Chief, "I asked you not to tell me that"!

            1. Mighty Mom profile image90
              Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Hmm.
              Then: 99
              Now: 99%
              Coincidence?:
              I think not!
              lol

              1. Soul Man Walker profile image60
                Soul Man Walkerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Is there any of whatever you have been smoking left?

                1. Mighty Mom profile image90
                  Mighty Momposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Nope. Gave the last hit to Credence2.

                  1. Soul Man Walker profile image60
                    Soul Man Walkerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Bogarts!

              2. Credence2 profile image84
                Credence2posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                "Gave the last hit to Credence2, Mighty Mom thanks for sharing!

  8. Credence2 profile image84
    Credence2posted 4 years ago

    Seth,

    If your talking about black people, being such, I would know a little bit more about what goes on within our circles than someone that is not a part.

    Based on the average 85% the dems get of the black vote, I would say that the fact that he is black may have given Obama no more than a 10% boost from that electorate. We generally support Democrats regardless of their color.

    Do Asians and Jews need to the opportunities associated with Affirmative Action? They seem to be pretty successful on their own, so what is the real reason these generally successful groups supported Obama? Who can answer that?

    Affirmative action was created because minorities never seem to get the opportunity whether they were the best qualified or not. What and who made sure they were considered and included in evaluation for a position or part of a student body? I am not necessarily supporting it whole heartidly today, but that was the idea when it was created. It was initiated by Richard Nixon, hardly a left wing agitator.

    Funny about stupid people, I said the same thing when GW Bush was reelected. I guess that it depends upon your point of view, doesn't it? The president of the United States is not a shoeshine boy and has no obligation to address Trump or any of his concerns at any level. Unemployment is a lot less than it was when Bush left office and the economy is on the rebound. The problem with you folks on the right is that you seem to forget from where it was we came and under whose watch the disaster occurred in the economy. So what president ever keeps all of his promises, what happened to Bush and the "weapons of mass destruction"? He is just one man that operates in a Democracy with constraints put upon him by Congress and the Courts.

    How is Obama a racist? You are obviously wrong because if he were he would have not been reelected. Like, I said, in my opinion it was dumb for the people to reelect Bush in 2004, so its just a matter of opinion. You guys can't get over the fact that the best man won. Romney was the one that was trying to buy votes while the GOP engaged in every dirty trick to disenfranchise those that they knew would never vote for them. But it backfired and now they and the conservative brand are in powwow trying to figure out how to do better. So it is not the left that is engaged in soul searching right now!

    1. Seth Winter profile image84
      Seth Winterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Cred.

      I was really hoping you would give a number higher then 10 percent. In fact I thought you'd say something like 30 percent or 20...which is still pretty low, especially since Obama had record breaking black voter turnout his first term. But...no way to really prove this point (from either side)

      I noticed you left out the Hispanics on the out of the Affirmative Action discussion...but why wouldn't Asian's make use of something like Affirmative Action? It's there, why not use it. I'm white, and if I could use it (even though I recognize it as racist) I'd use it. Who wouldn't?

      Bakke vs California was a case where a candidate for medical school was passed over a spot for a lower scoring minority (actually 15 minority students who all scored lower on tests)...do you want a doctor that made it into school because he was a minority and not because he made a better doctor? Affirmative Action: Killing people with bad doctors because racism is wrong. Could be the new slogan for that program.

      For the record unemployment was 7.6 when Obama took Office....it's now 7.7...down from what it was....but I'd say a .1 percent increase isn't a "lot less than it was when Bush left office-Credence."

      Very true on the shoe shine bit...but I was using that as an example of the Presidents lack of Transparency. Wasn't it like 5 million to charity? For records he already promised to release? Sure he isn't a show shine boy to anyone but I'd give Trump any records he wanted if he offered to give 5,000,000 to charity. Who wouldn't? Do you know how many people 5 million bucks could feed?

      I do agree that people do forget that Obama inherited a Country held together by duck tape, Bush really messed it up...well I'd say it mainly started with Clinton's NAFTA but that's another ball game. Although Democrats forget that Congress was controlled by the democrats when he took office...(for the record if we would of had this conversation when Bush was in office I'd be doing the same ragging on Bush. The twin towers had planes fly into them and he wanted to finish the children's book he was reading ;-)

      But racism is actually popular. Take Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson...huge racist. Huge politicanos. But people still call them Reverend..

      I think Obama is a racial opportunist. He wants a boost in the polls...black people to be reminded of the victim like attitude.

      Here's a few things from Obama's racism.

      Think back to the Trayvon Martin case. Nobody knows the facts. No court has ever taken this case...it just happened...and before Obama knows if little Trayvon was the victim or a failed murder attempt he is quoted to saying "If i had a son, it would look like Trayvon Martin." First off...what about due process...guilty until proven innocent yet this man either just say Trayvon Martin is innocent.or that if Obama had a son it would be a murderer.

      Next example. Gates.

      Gates locks his keys out. Neighborhood watch see's someone outside house. Calls cops. Cops arrive and see Gates. Gates tries to play victim starts screaming racism about being a black man and is finally arrested.

      Obama says "Although I don't know all the facts, the cops acted stupidly"  Guess what Obama was wrong. The cops didn't act stupidly and Gates was just a huge baby.

      Example.

      Obama preacher is Jeremiah Wright. The man Obama goes to ask for god's advice is Wright....lolz

      Example.

      Obama's dismissal of the Black Panther Voter Intimidation case of 2008. For those reading if you don't know Black Panthers are a hate group akin to the KKK except they don't like White folks. Not a good group, very militant.


      I could go on but I'm sure you could find pinholes is every example.



      On a big sidenote I think the left should be doing some soul searching or at the very least take a step back and look at some of your programs. Reverse racism or buy popular vote isn't the way to do politics. As my final and totally not serious last example of Obama's racism....Obama is racist because he is part of the democrat party...you know the democratic party, they are the ones that brought you the KKK...

 
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