Every day I refresh my "North Korea" search on Goolge news, but always the same ol' story. "North Korea threatens to attack bla bla bla...". I wonder will leader Kim Jong Un actually do carry out any of his proposed threats. Possibly he is just talking the talk as to strengthen his legitimacy as a leader.
Probably not, but I can hope. Hope for the day we finally have an excuse to stomp out another right-wing nutjob and his totalitarian regime.
And then South Korea sweeps in and claims all that good land currently going to waste, forevermore being known simply as Korea. And then there would be much rejoicing.
If Kim Jong Un really wants to commit suicide that badly, I'm sure the armed forces will be more than happy to oblige him.
I'm not pro-war but part of me would like to see the U.S. invading that regime to try and set things right. I know that past U.S. encounters with countries, such as Iraq, haven't worked out so well, but they did do a good job in South Korea! Maybe it would be the same with North Korea...
To be fair, South Korea's dictatorship was nearly as bad as North Korea's until the 1980's. A ground invasion of North Korea would be incredibly difficult, they've spent the last 60 years fortifying themselves against it. It would be long, bloody, drawn out, and costly. Nobody wants that.
No, I can't see Pyongyang doing anything that would put the regime at risk of collapse, and attacking the US or any of its allies in the region would definitely be doing that. This spike in tensions happens every year around this time, when the US-South Korea joint military drills happen. Kim Jong-Uns rhetoric was always going to be harsher, as he tries to establish himself, but I fear the USs response has escalated things.
North Korea is the most paranoid country in the world, for good reason. How are they going to react to the US flying B52s on mock bombing runs over the South?
They're always going to thing "they want to nuke us and invade". The risk now is that this classic case of escalation gets out of hand, and someone makes a serious misjudgement that causes events to spiral out of control. North Korea has a new leader, South Korea has a new leader, both looking to assert themselves, lets hope no rash decisions are made.
The status quo will prevail, if everybody just calms down.
I'm not sure if people are paying attention but this seems to be no shortage of insane people in the world. Which is to say we need look only as far as our own backyard to recognize we have our own homegrown willing to kill men, women and children justifiable in their minds-can anyone say Oklahoma City bombing?
In this day and age killing seems to be as normal as breathing. I personally think people are not afraid of death they are only afraid of losing.
I feel anyone who goes to the trouble of making nuclear weapons do not do so only to keep them on the shelf.
Lets hope that pressure from China will dampen things. China supplies a tonne of their food relief and other essentials. Hopefully NK can look up to them and take some advice for once. Come on China!
North Korea has not made any threats. It is continually misquoted in the media. Saying you will retaliate to aggression is not a threat, and that is all the DPRK have done. It is the country with nuclear missiles pointed at it, it is the country with 30,000 foreign troops on its border (discounting the enemy Koreans over the border), it is the country under sanctions.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/dprks-stat … un/5329687
Rather than read the fabricated quotes, get your news direct from the source, without bourgeois tampering.
With all due respect, are you on the same planet? You want us to read something from North Korea and value it over anything the rest of the world says; that's quite literally like taking the word of an insane killer over all the witnesses who have repeatedly viewed the taping of the incident. Why in the world would anybody do that? Are you joking? Are you serious? I know you want to defend North Korea, but I doubt you will find another person on any political forum here at HubPages who will agree with this. This is insane.
Conservative and liberal channels, news agencies, and papers seldom agree on much. They agree about North Korea. The BBC agrees. Even China has expressed its frustrations with North Korea. For that matter, the POTUS agrees with Rush Limbaugh about the fact that North Korea threatened us. Are you even remotely close to serious?
Your statements are beyond fiction and beyond any semblance of reality. Let's wait and see how many people come to your defense.
"North Korea has not made any threats."
Firstly let me share with you this statement released today which clarifies the DPRK's stance, I will return to to clarify my own position when i find the time later.
"DPRK FM Spokesman Dismisses U.S. Talk about Dialogue as Rhetoric Misleading World Opinion
Pyongyang, April 16 (KCNA) -- A spokesman for the DPRK Foreign Ministry issued the following statement on Tuesday:
Recently U.S. high-ranking officials are vying with each other to talk about dialogue. This is nothing but a crafty ploy to evade the blame for the tension on the eve of a war by pretending to refrain from military actions and stand for dialogue.
It is none other than the U.S which sparked off a vicious cycle of tension, pursuant to its hostile policy to stifle the DPRK by force of arms, and pushed the situation on the Korean Peninsula to the worst phase. The tension began escalating there due to the U.S. wanton violation of the DPRK's right to satellite launch for peaceful purposes.
There is no country in the world which does not react to the encroachment upon the legitimate right of a sovereign state to develop space and its sovereignty. The nuclear war maneuvers staged by the U.S. against the DPRK in the wake of its prodding of the UN Security Council into the cooking up of brigandish "resolutions on sanctions" one after another compelled the latter to clarify its stand to take military countermeasures for self-defence.
One may know well who is to blame for the tension when looking into who benefits from this.
The U.S. benefited from drastically increasing its military deployment pursuant to its Asia-Pacific-pivot strategy by massively introducing all latest weaponry while inciting military confrontation with the DPRK.
The U.S., which regards the DPRK as the primary target of its attack in the Asia-Pacific region, not only deployed all its operational nuclear strike means but also posed the threat of the largest-ever physical nuclear strike to the DPRK in recent months.
It openly introduced strategic nuclear subs out of its three major strategic nuclear strike means into the waters off the Korean Peninsula, and let its strategic bombers openly make sorties into the sky of the peninsula for drills of dropping nukes.
The third strategic nuclear strike means, the inter-continental ballistic missile launch, was reportedly postponed for the time being, but it is scheduled for May.
Even now the U.S. is letting its nuclear-powered carrier strike groups operate in waters off the peninsula, staging ceaseless DPRK-targeted nuclear war drills.
It is the height of rhetoric intended to mislead the world opinion to talk about dialogue for dismantling the DPRK's nuclear deterrent under this situation.
The U.S. is sadly mistaken if it calculates the DPRK will pay slightest heed to such talk about dialogue as a robber's calling for a negotiated solution while brandishing his gun.
Worse still, the U.S. claim that it will opt for dialogue when the DPRK shows its will for denuclearization first is a very impudent hostile act of disregarding the line of the Workers' Party of Korea and the law of the DPRK.
The DPRK is not opposed to dialogue but has no idea of sitting at the humiliating negotiating table with the party brandishing a nuclear stick.
Dialogue should be based on the principle of respecting sovereignty and equality--this is the DPRK's consistent stand.
Genuine dialogue is possible only at the phase where the DPRK has acquired nuclear deterrent enough to defuse the U.S. threat of nuclear war unless the U.S. rolls back its hostile policy and nuclear threat and blackmail against the former.
This time when the DPRK has been exposed to the U.S. direct and substantial threat of nuclear attack, it keenly felt the need to bolster up its nuclear deterrence both in quality and quantity.
It is quite natural for the DPRK to take counteractions for self-defence by beefing up nuclear force now that the U.S., world's biggest nuclear weapons state, threatens and blackmails the former with a nuclear stick.
The nuclear strike drills staged by the U.S. against the DPRK leave the latter with no option but to conduct drills to cope with them.
There is no guarantee that these drills will not go over to a real war and the U.S. will be held wholly accountable for all the ensuing consequences.
The DPRK will escalate its military countermeasures for self-defence unless the U.S. ceases its nuclear war drills and withdraws all its war hardware for aggression."
I actually posted a hub a few days ago which justifies my stance. You can choose to read it, it or not, but I'm not in any rush to re-post all the information in here.
This conversation is unbelievable. Nobody agrees with you, not even the socialists here at HubPages. You are in denial about North Korea. North Korea butchers its people. North Korea spends its resources on a military when millions of its people are starving to death. North Korea has threatened a nuclear strike against other countries, including America.
In your hub, you say that pretty much every country, except Russia and North Korea, have misreported the threat. Russia is your great, reliable source. Let's see what Russia does say:
"Russia's Foreign Ministry said in a statement that the North Korean launch had heightened instability in the region and called on other nations to refrain from further escalating tensions."
"'The new rocket launch carried out by North Korea flaunts the opinion of the international community, including calls from the Russian side, and leaves us with deep regret,'" it said.
Here's the full article, reported by Reuters:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/ … 9N20121212
"In a meeting between a Russian official and Pyongyang's ambassador to Moscow, Russia urged North Korea to avoid doing anything to further increase tension on the Korean Peninsula, the Russian Foreign Ministry said."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/ … 8020130412
This conversation is bordering on ridiculous. NOBODY believes your story. IF there ever was propaganda on HubPages, this is it. You, on one hand, use any resource possible to confirm your beliefs. Then, you deny the factual reliability of EVERY source in the world, other than those from North Korea and Russia, when you can't find a single source that agrees with your statement. Here's news. North Korea and Russia do not have a great record of telling the truth. The truth is that North Korea's leader is a nut who has threatened a nuclear strike against America and other countries. He has isolated his country from every nation. Russia doesn't support North Korea. China doesn't support North Korea. Nobody supports North Korea, because North Korea is the aggressor.
This situation is so transparent, even the POTUS and republicans agree that North Korea has threatened us. If that's not proof, what is? (This is an attempt at humor.)
I don't remember giving you permission to speak for me. I certainly don't recall sharing my thoughts on this issue with you.
Don't get all emotional.
What are your thoughts? Do you believe the world's reports or North Korea's?
Why do you resort to labelling any sort of dissension or disagreement as emotional? You did exactly the same when we were discussing compassion - left compassion didn't count because it was emotional!
I fail to see how NK could seriously threaten the US without expecting that to be the end of NK. If they were sure that the US threatened them then it would seem sensible to let the US know that they had a fight on their hands.
I'm trying to make it part of the conservative playbook, just like racism, compassion, the sequester, and George Bush are part of the liberal playbook. LOL
You're giving double speak. I am not asking whether it is a credible threat, only whether it was a threat. Did North Korea threaten America with nukes? John, you seem to like facts. Is it or isn't it a fact?
Is NK entitled to feel threatened?
Is NK entitled to defend itself against a foreign aggressor, renowned for invading, and over throwing governments of, countries that do not kow-tow to them?
Is Japan, South Korea, or America entitled to feel threatened? Shouldn't the whole world feel threatened when somebody threatens nuclear war? There's no such thing as a nuclear war that has containment.
Yes, no country should be bullied by another.
You're quantifying your answer without giving an answer. Is it yes or no?
Come on John. Please give a straight answer. I doubt you would appreciate it if a politician gave this kind of answer. Please, answer yes or no, and then we can debate the reasons. That's all I'm asking.
No, I'm not qualifying my answer, just starting form the beginning.
They are important questions and the answers reflect directly on the original question.
Think about it, if you were charged with an assault, would you consider the question of whether you were provoked or not an unimportant question?
The first thing would be a plea. You find out how the accused pleads, innocent or guilty. Then there would be a trial. John, this is the kind of debating I hate. We're debating how to debate. You and I both know what North Korea said.
We're not debating how to debate, we are debating what to debate.
Without considering the points I made we are not debating anything, we are having a witch hunt.
No, you don't want to answer with a yes or a no, so you are spinning the truth. After answering with a yes or no to a simple question, you could argue all you want, but you have some aversion to answering a simple question. That's all about debate tactics and not facts and the truth.
OK, question - "Do you think North Korea will actually carry out its threats?"
Answer - Highly unlikely.
I've answered that in this forum, previously.
I give answers. No, I do not believe North Korea will nuke us. That doesn't negate reality. North Korea said it would.
OK,so you don't want to hear my answer that agrees with yours, why the big deal then?
You've made it clear that I don't know what your belief is.
Then, when I asked whether North Korea did or didn't say this, you refused to give a definitive answer. How could I know what you believe?
Did North Korea say it was going to nuke America? What do you say?
The western press has said that NK was going to nuke the US. The western press regularly makes things up.
The eastern, western, northern, and southern press, with the exception of North Korea's, agree that North Korea said that. Again, you're evading the question.
What do YOU say?
News from North Korea
During his reign as the unquestioned, unchallenged leader of the secretive nation, Kim, according to official North Korean state media reports, routinely shot three or four holes-in-one per round of golf.
No you have not. You partially alluded to the fact that you agree with me. Why won't you simply say it and stop being vague with your answer?
Because it is not a question with a yes/no answer.
This is the biggest joke I have seen in these forums.
Did North Korea say they were going to use nuclear weapons against America is a yes or no question. Then, you can elaborate on whether or not it was justified. You are giving a politician's answer to the question.
This is absolutely pointless. You are so worried about protecting any philosophy that remotely mirrors your own that you won't even answer a question without immense spin.
No I'm not worried about protecting my philosophy, I'm more worried about protecting my world.
You want to whip the west up in a frenzy where the only outcome is a pre-emptive strike, and you want to do this purely on the strength of what your press tells you.
The last time I spoke for you, you gave a little lecture about how I shouldn't speak for you. Don't speak for me either.
I don't want war; I'd rather not have any strike against North Korea. I don't even want to have anything to do with North Korea. I think our country needs to stay out of half the international disputes we enter.
That being said, I think we would be total idiots to deny the fact that we have been threatened. Any threat should be taken seriously.
I DO NOT WANT WAR WITH NORTH KOREA. I just want North Korea to stop threatening other countries, namely ours. That's not unreasonable. I'm not a hawk on this issue. You are mistaken, gravely.
I didn't say that Russia as a political state had given fair coverage. I said that Russia Today, the news agency had done some factual reporting. There is a difference. So you quoting Russian ministers bears no relevance to that point.
When I spoke of Russia Today, I was referring to pieces like this
'North Korea has good reason to be afraid of US barbarism'
http://rt.com/op-edge/north-korea-reaso … arism-725/
‘US does not want a war - they want regime change in North Korea’
http://rt.com/op-edge/us-wants-regime-c … korea-665/
We can trade news items all day if you like. Another point I have been continually making during this crisis is that while China's statements are being presented by western media and governments as pressurizing the DPRK, in fact they are much more so pressuring the US>
"China's Defense Ministry Spokesman Yang Yujun said on Tuesday that the US is destabilizing the region by sending more troops, ships, and planes and strengthening its military alliances with regional partners.
Yang made the remarks during a press conference marking the release of an annual Defense Ministry report on security threats facing Beijing.
"Certain efforts made to highlight the military agenda, enhance military deployment and also strengthen alliances are not in line with the calling of the times and are not conducive to the upholding of peace and stability in the region," Yang told reporters."
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/04/16 … -presence/
I don't mind that I am in the minority. There is no safety in numbers when it comes to truth. Most people are simply ignorant of the facts, they have not heard both sides - they are constantly fed and absorb only one narrative.
You misunderstand or misrepresent me when you describe my stance. The point is that the statements were first published by KCNA, that is the source through which the DPRK government releases its statements. Western politicians and media then create their own story by taking the governments statement FROM KCNA and twisting them, knowing full well that nearly no-one will go and search out the actual statements. Now please take this part on board, it is vital
"It’s being reported across the globe that “North Korea” made these statements in a recent official release via state media Korean Central News Agency :
“From this time on, the North-South relations will be entering the state of war and all issues raised between the North and the South will be handled accordingly,”Ria Novoski
“Now that the revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK have entered into an actual military action, the inter-Korean relations have naturally entered the state of war,” Huffington Post
“From this time on, the North-South relations will be entering the state of war and all issues raised between the North and the South will be handled accordingly,”Reuters via Prison Planet"
Ria Novosti, to their credit, caught the “mistake” from the AFP and published a retraction calling it a “faulty translation”. A noncommittal way of saying a “lie” I suppose. “Faulty” is right.
Later on Saturday, however, Russian media reported that a faulty translation might have been to blame for this apparent uptick in bellicose rhetoric.
The North Korean original statement apparently stressed that the country would act “in accordance with wartime laws” if attacked, and that “from that time, North-South relations will enter a state of war.” Ria Novosti
What they are saying is if they are attacked they will be ready to enter “the state of war” with the South and their puppet masters the United States."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/dprks-stat … un/5329687
“Western politicians and media then create their own story by taking the governments statement FROM KCNA and twisting them, knowing full well that nearly no-one will go and search out the actual statements.”
I would replace politicians with news reporters, papers, journals, news agencies, and politicians. I would replace western with western, eastern, northern, southern, and worldwide.
KCNA = Korean Central News Agency (North Korea) Your ONLY source, then, comes from the accused nation?
Does anybody find it ironic that this is happening under a POTUS who adamantly spoke about fixing our reputation abroad and removing soldiers from Afghanistan and Iraq? Come on, this president is a lot of things, but he certainly isn’t antagonistic or aggressive towards North Korea. He’s hardly said or done anything about the situation. You know the argument is ridiculous when I resort to defending President Obama. This is ludicrous at best. North Korea says these things, and you’re in denial or in full spin mode.
You can replace those words if you wish, but it does not impact upon the validity of my position in any way: the principle remains the same. Every single report other than that released by KCNA got their information from KCNA, yet reported the words entirely differently. KCNA is the only primary source.
Obama's foreign policy is the same as every other US president. He spoke about a lot of things, but did nothing. He is the one overseeing drone attacks, continually backing Israel, keeping Guantanamo open. Nothing changes but your president, policy remains the same. You say he is not antaganostic to North Korea, but clearly the Chinese defence ministry does not agree, as shown in my last comment they accuse the US of increasing tensions and "are not conducive to the upholding of peace and stability in the region,"
No ! North Korea has absolutely no GDP to offer the worlds economy ! So the only export "product" they are able to use to gain economic trade is terrorizing the biggest image of the free world , foriegn aid ! There people are starving ,the government corrupt , astruasized , and are one of the last great dictatorships in the world! ....They threaten the rest of the world for money !
Somebody needs to be the reality policeman in this forum. Comrade Joe thinks North Korea is a great, peaceful nation that never threatened America.
I do not think so. I think Kim Jong-un is rattling his saber to make a name for himself. They celebrated the Day of the Sun on Monday in honor of their Eternal Leader's Eternal Birthday (101), and he calmly went to the opera with his aunt. They're in the middle of their Spring People's Art Festival. Of course, he rattles his saber, and South Korea's running drills on "chemical incidents." All propaganda.
I, too, do not believe he will nuke us, but he said he would. It's a fact. Some can try to analyze, interpret, spin, or defend the statement all they want. Just don't deny reality. Don't try to reinvent the truth, or re-educate us. It happened. You may or may not have valid reasons for the statement, but it happened. Be honest, and articulate your reasoning. Don't deny what "most, some, all, or one" of us know to be reality. The evidence is beyond overwhelming and in favor of the truth; he said it. This isn't a matter of public opinion. It's a matter of reality and fact.
I find it interesting that some of the people who deny North Korea's actions state that CNN, CNBC, PBS, Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS, BBC, Reuters, the New York Times, Time Magazine, U.S. News and World Report, the Huffington Post, Rush Limbaugh, President Obama, almost every other reporter, news agency, or country are all categorically wrong about North Korea's actions. Then, these same people will cite from these same sources to prove points in the future.
i don't know...but i do know...stupidity can be dangerous............................................................
To answer the question, no, I don't think North Korea will carry out its "threats". But I wouldn't put it past them to react to the constant bullying of the US and its allies.
Do you mean constant bullying from its leaders? America should treat North Korea the way North Korea treats its citizens. How does that sound?
Bullying? Ha. Who is going to nuke whom?
Do you mean constant bullying from its leaders? America should treat North Korea the way North Korea treats its citizens. How does that sound?
Bullying? Ha. Who is going to nuke whom? The point was made with redundancy.
Have the citizens begged the US to declare war on its leaders?
Have the citizens begged the US to destroy the very people it claims to be saving?
Try backing away from North Korea and then see if they still threaten to defend themselves from US imperialism.
Well, according to North Korea, they are at war. All's fair in love and war?
You know this is not true, yet continue in blatant denial.
"The North Korean original statement apparently stressed that the country would act “in accordance with wartime laws” if attacked, and that “from that time, North-South relations will enter a state of war.” - Ria Novoski
I do not think so North Korea is going to do anything because she knows that bad circumstances of this big decision. Aftermath can be very worst which she has never imagined. So, just avoid such threatening statements.
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