Do you think it was an inside job(meaning someone from the USA) or a foreign terrorist?
I wonder if it was another person like in the movie theater massacre? Just crazy or crazy for attention or something political from a terrorist who hates the USA?
There has just been an arrest of a person video-taped planting one of the bombs. So I suspect there will be a lot more information about who and why soon.
I believe this will turn out to be a rougue idiot ! I have so often wondered , why would anyone hurt an innocent ! And not attack something govermental , or corporate ! But innocent people !.......Hang him !
I wonder if it is the same person that bombed the Kennedy library too? Insanity!!!!
The library was not bombed, they are saying it was an unrelated fire.
Definitely an amateur judging on using a pressure cooker...
I just wish there were more facts, I don't think there's enough evidence to jump to conclusions. I hope they find him, but you can't help to wonder. Although, many of the conspiracies about it have been proven wrong or are kind of dumb.
true ,we just have to wait and see but hope whoever did it gets caught soon.
So many people offering what they "believe" etc. How about waiting for the facts? Otherwise you start rumours and finger pointing, then someone gets wrongly accused.
...i figure an american...disgruntled about something...determined to hurt many because of the method or maybe just after one person....i guess we'll find out...or maybe not...i doubt it was an external terrorist type......
I am leaning towards it being one of those OWS/Anarchist types. Just what my gut is telling me at the moment. I reserve the right to be absolutely wrong on this.
Sadly, I am IN current news. My town is in lockdown. Super scary and sad.
Sorry for you Laura GT. How long will they have you on lock down? It's all very scary indeed.
Seems they are Chechen. Now what would they have against the US, it is Russia the rebels there have a problem with.
bummed that these guys are muslim, but initial reports are that they are extremists, perhaps al qaeda affiliated (or at least in the following).
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/04 … cy-youtube
Who was you hoping was responsible?
Very odd thing to say!
Not at all a weird thing to say, Muslim-America relations need to improve and this just sets it back further, it would be much better for this to just be some local nut who hates marathons for some reason.
How you do know that antimarathonianism is not their driving force?
Is it that it would be preferred that it was someone to help push an approved agenda?
It seems from one of their youtube channels and stuff that they were radical islamists, it's sad that Islam and America are now again going to be portrayed in the media as being at war leading to more chance of war and terrorism down the line.
"Radical Islamists", enough with politically correct BS, these guys are Jihadists, and that is the enemy! Not Islam, I know many Islamists/Muslims, and not one of them would condone this type of activity.
Jihadists are a very particular group that does not cover all of radical terrorist Islamic thought so that is potentially an incorrect definition, hence I used the broader radical Islamist.
Jihadists Hope Boston Bombings are Acts of Jihadi Terrorism
http://news.siteintelgroup.com/componen … -terrorism
All I meant is that there is already a lot of hatred/mistrust towards muslims in our country - a young dark-skinned man who was trying to run away from the bomb (and had nothing to do with it!) was tackled the day of the marathon. Unfortunately, this will fuel more racial profiling, mistrust, hate speech/attacks, etc. I'd like to think people could get over it and understand that the vast majority of muslims are NOT extremists/jihadists, etc.
Perhaps this is because there are too many Muslims afraid of the Jihadists, and they do not publicly condemn these actions.
We need a little more profiling it seems to work whether you want to admit it or not.
You mean like innocent bystanders being attacked for their race or like the Arab terrorist shot to death in the London subway that turned out to be an innocent Brazilian backpacker? Yeah profiling is fantastic.
Like the Indian people assaulted after 9/11 because people thought they were Muslim? Because obviously people who like profiling don;t have the brains to figure out the difference between Indian and Arab or Muslim and Hindu, let alone innocent and guilty.
Get people the tiniest bit scared and the ignorance and bigotry comes out, makes me very sad that so many Americans are that weak.
No, profiling, the type that was done to prove white people have higher rates of serial murder!
That would be a statistical fact, it would be dumb to target white people on that basis though, just as dumb as profiling Muslims as terrorists.
They have more active serial murderers than they have caught serial murderers, profiles were done in each and every case to better help those looking for them.
Whats dumb is to eliminate Muslims because of political correctness.
Obviously no one should be eliminated but no one should bet targeted on the basis of their race or religion.
Not only because it's wrong to single out innocent people and persecute them but also because focusing on Muslims makes catching other terrorists harder making it mush more likely we will miss the next Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Eric Rudolph, Jim Adkisson, Andrew Stack or Wade Page.
The vast majority of terrorists in America are non Muslim.
Profiles are based on the behavior of the criminal being hunted ie. people are more likely to target victims of their own race. That is completely different to profiling innocent people as terrorists because 00000000.1% of the Muslim population has committed terrorist acts.
How many terrorists acts committed by Muslims in the past twenty years? Idiotic not to look at them first!
Far fewer than committed by Christians/Americans according to the wikipedia list.
That is a link to domestic terrorism, we are a predominately christian nation. I asked How many terrorists acts committed by Muslims in the past twenty years?
I assume you mean in America, we are talking about American policy so there have been like 12 successful attacks by Christians/Americans in the last 20 years and probably 2 successful attacks by Muslims. The population difference is largely irrelevant because those attacks by Muslims were not committed by Americans but by foreign nationals which in at least one case came to the US specifically to commit an act of terror.
So we should ignore Muslims because they have only had two successful attacks, how many attempts have been made? I didn't automatically suspect Muslims in the Boston bombing I was leaning more towards domestic terrorists, that will probably turn out to be a mistake, one I will never make again.
There have been tons of failed attempts by non Muslims too so that does not change the facts one iota, you would be much better off to suspect domestic terrorists because 5 times out of 6 that will be correct.
This is just people looking for ways to justify their bigotry, it's mathematical nonsense and prejudice nothing else.
No it isn't you are just looking for ways to paint people bigots to shut down any speech you don't like!
Recognizing that Muslims are committing the majority of terrorist acts is not bigotry.
It's not only bigotry it's mathematically incorrect.
No it isn't, Muslims are committing a majority of the acts of terrorism. Prove me wrong.
Within the US I already have and we are discussing American policy so that is all that is relevant.
It makes no sense for American police etc. to be focusing on Muslims when 5 out of 6 terrorist acts committed here are done by Christians/Americans.
Thats right, because terrorists from other countries can't come here. But they do Josak so talking about groups only from the US is idiotic. You can't prove me wrong because I'm not!
People coming here is irrelevant to the fact that we are discussing acts committed in the US.
I guess those Saudis who flew planes into the World trade center are irrelevant, Boston Marathon irrelevant. No, not irrelevant at all they are committing acts of terrorism here!
Nope those acts were committed on US soil, 1 out of 6 certainly not enough to justify even thinking about targeting Muslims for their faith, more than half of the terrorist organizations in the US are Christian, it would be just as ridiculous to suggest targeting Christians on that basis.
You are all over the place you said "People coming here is irrelevant to the fact that we are discussing acts committed in the US." They came from someplace else and committed acts of terrorism here!
Yes they did I never contested that what is your point? We are concerned with terrorism committed in the US, two such successful in the last 20 years against 12 by non Muslims, it's very simple.
My point is that you said it was irrelevant that they came from somewhere else, it isn't irrelevant at all. What is irrelevant is when I ask how many terrorist acts committed in the past twenty years by Muslims you post a link to domestic terrorism. You can spin your reasoning anyway you want but it has no bearing on the question asked. If Muslim terrorists are committing more acts of terrorism throughout the world, and they are, then they should be the first group looked at here!
No the people who commit the most terrorist acts in the US should be the most looked at because this is about terrorism in the US. Really the policy should just be to follow the evidence rather than prejudge anyone.
They are not Muslims which is all that matters in this context. We should just follow the evidence, there is no reason to discriminate against people racially or on a religious basis.
Here you go Josak, I give you Islamic/White supremest/Christian Terror comparisons. Went back to 1951 for the white supremest attacks.
Islamic terror attacks and attempts
1993 shootings at CIA Headquarters
1993 World Trade Center bombing
1993 New York City landmark bomb plot
1997 Empire State Building shooting
1997 Murder of Prison Guard by Haneef Bilal
2000 H. Rap Brown(Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin) shoots two police officers
2000 New York terror attack
2000 millennium attack plots
Aftermath of the September 11 attacks
2001 September 11 attacks
2002 Los Angeles Airport shooting
2002 José Padilla (Abdullah al-Muhajir) Plot
2002 Buffalo Six
2002 John Allen Muhammad (Washington Sniper) killings
2003 Columbus Shopping Mall bombing plot
2004 financial buildings plot
2005 Los Angeles bomb plot
2006 Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar SUV attack
2006 Sears Tower plot
2006 Seattle Jewish Federation shooting
2006 Toledo terror plot
2006 transatlantic aircraft plot
2007 Fort Dix attack plot
2007 John F. Kennedy International Airport attack plot
2009 Little Rock recruiting office shooting
2009 Bronx terrorism plot
2009 Dallas Car Bomb Plot by Hosam Maher Husein Smadi
2009 New York subway and United Kingdom plot
2009 Fort Hood shooting
2009 Colleen LaRose arrested (not made public until March 2010)
2009 Failed Christmas bombing of Northwest Flight 253 (a.k.a. "Underwear Bomber" incident)
2010 Attempted suicide car crash on Whitestone Bridge
2010 2010 Times Square car bombing attempt
2010 King Salmon, Alaska local meteorologist and wife assassination plots
2010 Alleged Washington Metro bomb plot
2010 Alleged car bomb plot against Portland, Oregon Christmas tree lighting ceremony
2010 Alleged plot to bomb military recruiting center in Catonsville, Maryland
2010 Abu Talhah al-Amrikee death threats to South Park Creators- See: Zachary Adam Chesser
2011 Alleged Saudi Arabian student bomb plots
2011 Manhattan terrorism plot
2011 Lone Wolf New York City, Bayonne,NJ pipe bombs plot.
2011 Alleged plot to attack Pentagon, U.S. Capitol with model aircraft packed with explosives
2012 Car bomb plot in Florida.
2012 February 17: An illegal immigrant from Morocco was arrested near the Capitol after an undercover investigation into an alleged plot to carry out a suicide attack on the national landmark that houses Congress. Amine el-Khalifi, 29, was picked up while carrying an inoperable gun and a fake suicide vest provided to him by undercover FBI agents posing as al-Qaeda associates.
1951 Wave of hate related terrorist attacks in Florida. Negros dragged and beaten to death, 11 race related bombings, dynamiting of synagogues and a Jewish School in Miami and explosives found outside of Catholic Churches in Miami.
1958 October 12: Bombing of the Hebrew Benevolent Congregation Temple of Atlanta, Georgia. The acts were carried out by white racists.
1984 July 18: Alan Berg, Jewish lawyer-talk show host was shot and killed in the driveway of his home on Capitol Hill, Denver, Colorado, by members of a White Nationalist group called The Order. Berg had stridently argued with a member of the group on the show earlier who was convicted in his murder.
2011 January 17: Spokane Bombing attempt
1993: David Gunn was murdered by anti-abortion activist Michael F. Griffin
1994: Abortion provider John Britton and James Barrett became victims of Reverend Paul Jennings Hill.
1994: Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, two receptionists in abortion and family planning clinics, were killed by John Salvi.
1996-98: Eric Rudolph cited his Roman Catholicism as his motivation for a series bombings, including one at Atlanta's Olympic Centennial Park.
1998: James Kopp killed at least one and went on a series of anti-abortion shooting sprees, both in the U.S. and Canada.
2009: Anti-abortion activist Scott Roeder killed George Tiller in Kansas.
I actually think that Clint is right on this one.
Arab Muslims are pretty likely to attack the US.
Could be because we bombed their buildings and killed their wives and children. That's the kind of thing that makes terrorists.
Christians? What do you support this ridiculous statement with?
Well said Josak. At least one voice of good sense and reason here.
But only the Muslims are expected to speak out against the extremists.
What if I told you that everything is not about gay activism, and that it's an example of how unsympathetic they are to the terrorism people are going through to see people trying to make it so?
What if I told you her meme had nothing to do with gay activism? It's the method of the WBC nuts that people predominately have a problem with, not what they believe in. Which is the point of the meme.
Normal Christians hate the WBC not because of their views on gays, but because they picket children's funerals and other tragedies. They perpetrate their own type of terrorism. So, in this case, I think it's you that's making it about gay activism.
Wow! That was unexpected. MelissaBarrett is right - I didn't even link it to gay activism in my mind. It was more about the erroneous linking of a whole group to the actions of a few. There has already been a ton of anti-muslim sentiment generated from this event (even before these guys were captured, it was assumed). My point was simply that the vast majority of muslims out there are good people. Just like most Christians out there are good people and would not adhere to the hatefulness of the WBC (whatever their issue is).
Just like most gay people are good people and respected members of the community.
Everything is linked to the gay agenda in Brenda's mind
Amazing. Actually, what I was going to post about was how ironic it is that that post was "accused" of making this a "gay activist" issue and being unsympathetic to the terrorism people are going through, when the reality is that is *exactly* what the WBC has done (except brought a homophobic agenda into). It's so fantastical and strange.
Given the knee jerk reaction of so many in American media and politics, why would anyone conclude that the liberal agenda isn't insidious and pervasive. How many times has the first reaction been that it must be some "conservative" who was at the root of the Time Square Bomb Plot, the Arizona Shooting, the Colorado Shooting, the Boston Bombing,...etc. It is the mind set of liberals that the real enemy is American conservatives. This is not an agenda as much as it is a culture. The liberal culture demands that the first enemy must be a conservative, to the point of denial, delusion and slander.
Funny, I withheld judgement before we knew who did it. No one on this forum accused anyone as far as I saw.
This is hardly the case, the Westboro Baptist Church grotesques are routinely denounced and protested by some very conservative groups - religious and political. Just as the KKK, Skinheads, Aryan Nation and other white supremacist groups are routinely denounced and, in cases of illegal action, brought to justice by conservative groups - religious and political.
The WBC is an affront to reason, much like anarchist protests or spitting war protestors or blood throwing animal "rights" activists, etc.... The Problem actually arises when one uses words alone as the means of protest. The WBC tends to be vicious in words only, that is protected speech. If they are denied the right to their obnoxious words so too would be those who liberals find palatable, such as homosexual protestors that would protest in Catholic churches during Sunday Mass by shouting down the priest and throwing condoms.
Is this terror, not by any stretch of the imagination. Terror isn't invective or even foolishness, it is violence, death and mayhem. Terror is the Boston bombing.
In defense of American Chechen Muslims, the uncle of the bombers was moving in his anger and his contrition. He is a shining example to anyone whose relatives have committed a brutal act, criminal or terrorist.
And many Muslim groups also speak out against the extremists.
And many facilitate and abet. Many resist turning inward and driving the extremists from their midst and still others wildly cheer Fatwahs demanding the death of America. The largest and most vocal Muslim groups in America tend to facilitate if not abet. There are awesome individuals like Zuhdi Jasser, Walid Phares and Fouad Ajami who actively work toward the modernization of Islam in America but are ignored or dismissed by liberal media as conservatives. These are decent and distinguished men whose voices are drown out by idiots in American media who still think the trouble is American foreign policy and not in the unreformed, unreconstructed and primitive adherence to the repressive and brutal practices of Islam.
The Boston Bombers' uncle was a wonderful example of one man taking a stand for America and for Islam. Where will others stand when the surviving bomber is brought to trial. The liberals in America will weep for how horribly he is treated by the American justice system because he was not immediately read his rights. The liberals in America will excuse is brutality by pointing the finger at how he must have been bullied, felt like an outsider, or harassed by a white male Christian dominated culture where he just couldn't fit in no matter how he tried until the understandable anger in him built to this point...blah, blah, blah.
It will not change until the world understands that the danger is an unreformed Islam. Mohamed was a brutal murdering warlord whose peace was reserved for those who accepted his teachings and him as their earthly leader. The prayerful and spiritual aspects of Islam are embraced by many but so is the brutality of Jihad.
This gives some history of the issue:
http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe … story.html
If all these terrorists hate us so much why don't they just stay in their own countries and just leave us alone? What is their motive? Power? Control?Just mentally sick selfish individuals.....
Radical Islamic theologians preach that Israel and the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions are an assault on Islam and therefore require counterattack "at the heart of the enemy", the best solution would be if we could all go home (them and us) instead stupidity rules on both sides of the fence.
Well something should be done ASAP! It's getting old and is not creating any solutions but just making a lot of people angry and rebellious....it's insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
As usual you missed it. Islam has taught from the beginning that there are two spheres, the Sphere of Islam and the Sphere of Jihad. If one is not in the Sphere of Islam than one is in the Sphere of Jihad. The violent teachings of 20th Century Islam far pre-date the creation of Israel. The Muslim Brotherhoods roots are in the 1920s. In the '30s and '40s the Mufti of Jerusalem raised troops to support the Nazis in Europe and North Africa.
If it is all about Israel and the US than why the push to recapture Spain for Islam? Why the anti-Christian violence throughout the Muslim world. Darfur is about Islam's inability to tolerate the existence of non-Muslims. East Timur was founded to protect its Christina inhabitants from the Indonesian Muslim majority. Everywhere there are Muslims living with non-Muslims there is hostility. It is a myth that Muslims in Jerusalem during the Middle Ages were tolerant of other religions. Islam was founded and spread by the sword more than a millennium before the creation of Israel.
The difference is the increased contact with the West and an end to the relative isolation of Muslim countries. Bin Laden studied in a Western country as did Muhammed Atta. The London Bombers were all "home" grown, just like the Boston Bombers. Bin Laden's goal was not the destruction of Israel but, rather, the destruction of the Western allies in Islam, those he considered apostates. They were the greater sinners. Once the apostates were removed energy could be focused on the Infidels. Bin Laden didn't say that he couldn't stand the idea of Israel, but rather, that there were "unbelievers" in the world. He said that death was more comforting than living in a world with "unbelievers."
Who is a greater unbeliever to the Muslim extremist? The Christian, the Buddhist, the Jew? Or the secular humanist, the homosexual, the abortionist, the pornographer, the atheist? The reasons why radical Muslims hate the West are many and varied but most are the licentious practices that freedom without morality invariably engenders.
It is a clash between Western civilization and Islam, a battle that we are losing precisely because we do not know, let alone understand, the enemy.
Sun Tzu warned that victory over an enemy that one does not know nor understand is impossible and you better believe Radical Islam has a much clearer understanding of the West than the American liberal has of Islam.
Be safe , Be vigilant Laura , Don't forget we LOVE Boston ! Already though - The P.C. crowd is on the march ,be careful what you say ! They may or may not be Muslim but they are terrorists , and its an act of terrorism . Sad that you have to be so cautious of how you or anyone discribes our enemy ! I hope they are ordering shoot to kill with this dude!
I think we as Americans need to be more vigilant about those we know and come in contact with. It may make us a nation of paranoid watchers....
in 2010 there were 10 attempts at terrorist acts 7 of those were committed by Muslims.
Link? Why are you focusing on one specific year? Is it because it's the one year that maybe backs your argument?
Only year I could find. Hold on I will look for more.
Says Top 10 terrorist attacks. You said out of 6, 5 would be other than Muslim.
http://www.topsecretwriters.com/2011/01 … s-of-2010/
Top 10 according to some writer so utterly irrelevant statistically.
There were 10 attempts, what does it matter if they were the top 10 or not?
"It makes no sense for American police etc. to be focusing on Muslims when 5 out of 6 terrorist acts committed here are done by Christians/Americans."
Long week, long night, long day here in Massachusetts.
"I don't want to go off on a rant here but " as Dennis Miller says , But how can this country maintain an open door policy to every foreign national who wants the best education , the highest income and to live in the finest country in the world , and still carry the baggage of thier homelands ! Terrorists , in particular love to get the best and probably the freest education in the world . It seems like I have met too many people who's plans are to work here , get educated ...make some money and then go home to thier homeland and be rich in thier old neighborhoods! Go ahead everyone, and exploit America !
Thank you all very much for sharing your opinions on this horrible event. I do hope they catch the other brother soon. What an awful scary time for everyone in the Boston area. I think by now he has probably gotten away....stolen a car...made a disguise....who knows? Just hope it's all settled soon.
Lockdown has been lifted. Evidently he has been captured, wounded but alive. Hopefully we can wait now for some more answers.
It would be wise if our culture would face the extreme reality that acts of terrror are only beginning in America . The rest of the world is far ahead of our mindset in dealing with the acceptance of the fact . And , conspiracy theorists need to get their head out of the sand !
I think the leftist media morons who didn't have a clue who the bombers were are worthy of a special award for stupidity.
"Crazy footage surfaces of end of manhunt for Boston bomb suspect"
http://now.msn.com/watertown-shooting-v … aev-arrest
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