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Why are SO MANY people threatened by the LBGT community? I say live

  1. gmwilliams profile image86
    gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago

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    and let live. These people are NOT bothering anyone, going on with their individual lives, and contributing to the community.  They are fine, upstanding people.  Again, why the strong animus towards this community?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      We're not threatened by most of them personally.
      We're threatened by those among them who are political activists who are trying to impose wrongful and bigoted laws upon the rest of American society,  those who are forcing their way into our schools and telling little kids they have to consider homosexuality as normal,  those who aren't content to have the same freedoms as everyone else but have to have special rights based on who they choose to have sex with.
      When I say "we", I mean everyone.   Their actions are a threat to all of American society, including themselves.

      I personally know people who have homosexual temptations.   They deal with those in their own personal way, and they confide in friends and family who love them and understand them, and they don't try to impose upon the rest of society,  they don't try to twist laws and they don't attack conservatives and Christians,  and they are nice people who often struggle with personal problems just like everyone else does.   
      The liberal activists who claim to speak for them, are the ones giving them a bad name.

      1. Cody Hodge5 profile image81
        Cody Hodge5posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Uh huh......because there's nothing bigoted about what the conservatives want to pass to ban the extending of equal rights to gays?

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          Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Nope.
          Passing a law to defend against an unnecessary bigoted law isn't bigoted;  it's an attempt to defend what's right.
          Every person already has had the same equal rights for years now.   The liberal movement is attempting to distract and detract from rightful laws that've already been in place for years.   AND they're distracting from hearing the people who really do need help and issues that need to be looked into.   Like bullying and teen suicide, and even adult suicide!    I personally (and who hasn't?) have had friends and acquaintances (teen and adult) who've committed suicide, and they weren't gay.   Suicide is an issue that affects everyone's life at some time or other, whether it's family or friends or just another human being who was in confusion and trouble but wouldn't or couldn't get help.     Yet the liberal movement has pointed its gnarly finger at only the "gays" and made bullying a crime against gays, totally ignoring the fact that it's a human problem, not even just gays in particular.
          The liberal movement is the most selfish, non-compassionate movement there's ever been.   The activists care only for their own selves and their own agenda.  If someone or something doesn't fit into their little narrow criteria,  then it's invalid to them.

          1. Cody Hodge5 profile image81
            Cody Hodge5posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            You know....I believe in your right to make outrageous statements and say whatever you want.

            What's scary is that you vote and people like you vote. Under no circumstances should government policy be dictated whatsoever by the Bible.

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              mbuggiehposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Exactly...AND allowing the Bible (or whichever version of the Bible is thumped the loudest at any given moment) to be the foundation of our laws is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

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            mbuggiehposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Please explain: How is legalization of same-sex marriage bigoted?

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              mbuggiehposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Can you define "liberal" for me?

              It is important that terms be defined before they are used.

          3. A Thousand Words profile image81
            A Thousand Wordsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            The pot's really calling the kettle black here. I am neither liberal nor conservative, more moderate with a liberal leaning, but this is nonsensical. You are in denial if you think that conservatives are always on the right side of the issues. I remember the videos of blacks marching for their rights and being hosed down by police, hanged unjustly, having burning crosses thrown on their lawns, and whatever else was done to them by the "conservatives." And you guys are crying because gay people are making a stand for themselves. Do I think they go overboard sometimes? ABSOLUTELY. But you're mental if you think that 1) what conservatives are "suffering" is anything compared to what you people have made various cultures/races suffer through in this country and 2) that they've made bullying only about gays. That's foolish. There are plenty of people who've been in the news, young girls especially, speaking out about their experiences with cyber-bullying, sexual orientation not even mentioned. The reason that gay kids that have committed suicide are being publicized is because teens and young adults are killing themselves because they feel that bigots that think like you are backing them into a corner and that there's no other way to deal with. Don't kid yourself. For all you who think that they choose to be gay, don't you think they would just choose to stop liking the same sex instead of killing themselves? Honestly the nerve if some people.

      2. Zelkiiro profile image83
        Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Except gay people don't have the same rights straight people do, so basically you've just made yourself look foolish.

        Whoops?

        1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
          MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          And now she'll say "Yes they do, they can marry someone of the opposite gender just like everybody else."

          She has a book of meaningless cliches that her pastor gave her for such situations.

          She thinks they are valid discussion points.

          No one has mentioned that a book written by phallic obsessed goat breeders doesn't really score points in debate.

          1. Zelkiiro profile image83
            Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Oh, wow, I would have been unprepared for a response that idiotic. Now my head hurts.

            1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
              MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Read back over threads... She has about 20 stock answers and cycles through them.

              I'd go ahead and familiarize yourself with them.  It saves time.

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        mbuggiehposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I think you need to enumerate a SPECIFIC and detailed list of exactly which "bigoted laws" gays and lesbians are imposing/attempting to impose on the "rest of society" and enumerate a SPECIFIC and detailed list of exactly which "special rights" based on whom we "chose to have sex with".

        After all, isn't heterosexual marriage and all the benefits that come with it giving "special rights" based on whom someone has sex with?

        All of this said, I have a sincere question---100% sincere, and one which has been rattling around in my head now for some time: Why do conservatives and Christians who on a daily basis break many Biblical laws and defy Biblical prohibitions about conduct focus on homosexuality?

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          Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I'll be 100% sincere in return-------
          Because gay activists and many gays and gay proponents are MAKING it an issue.   They bring the subject up, point it out like it's a valid issue, force it into other people's private lives and into public life, and are literally forcing it into our political and legal system.     Conservatives wouldn't talk about the subject nearly as much if it wasn't flashed around everywhere we look;   the liberal agenda is to put it at the forefront of every issue.

          Another reason is because Christians know we're all imperfect and subject to sin,  and we ADMIT that we may sin, and we admit that we need to repent in order to get forgiveness.   I don't know about sin being on a "daily basis" as you put it,  because that implies a deliberate lifestyle of constant sin (in which case, that's a problem),  but Christians believe in repentance and forgiveness.
          Most homosexuals (at least the ones who speak out and cry it from the platforms and rooftops all around)  are exactly the opposite, not only in sexual behavior but also in their agenda--------they refuse to ADMIT that homosexuality is even a sin,  and they refuse to apply the tools of repentance and forgiveness to themselves and to others.   They want their entire lifestyle condoned.    While Christians, as I said, know not to make sin a "lifestyle".
          Those are some reasons why.   This controversy is not caused by conservatives and Christians;  it's caused by liberals.

          1. Quilligrapher profile image89
            Quilligrapherposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Good Evening, Ms. Durham. Please forgive me if I point out a few realities.

            First, gay activists have a legal right to advocate for any and all issues that they deem important. You, on the other hand, have a right to complain about gay proponents MAKING issues but you do not have a right to obstruct them. In our republic, they are free to raise any social issue they wish, bring it to the public’s attention, make it a part of public life, and to use all of their political capital to make these issues part of our political and legal system. That is the American way.

            Brenda Durham wrote:
            “Most homosexuals (at least the ones who speak out and cry it from the platforms and rooftops all around) are exactly the opposite, not only in sexual behavior but also in their agenda--------they refuse to ADMIT that homosexuality is even a sin”

            For any act to offend God, i.e. to be called a “sin,” it must be intentionally evil. According to the teachings of Jesus, sin is based as much on intent as on any particular action. Sin must first begin in the heart. Every sinful action must be backed by sinful intent. No one can offend God accidentally or out of ignorance. No one can sin without consciously intending his or her actions to be an affront to God. A child can not commit sin nor can the mentally ill. One must first sin in his or her heart before their acts can be called sinful. For this reason, two people can perform an identical act and one can be guiltless before God while the other stands before God as a sinner. {1}

            It therefore follows, a person, who does not intentionally set out to act in a fashion that offends God or His laws, can not possibly commit a sin be it due to ignorance or innocence. God’s reaction, according to Jesus, is no offense intended then no offense is taken. In your case, because of your core beliefs, homosexual behavior would indeed be a sin. However, such is not case for a gay couple that does not believe in God or does not believe their commitment to each other is an offence against God. They are free to express their love without shame or guilt.

            Brenda Durham wrote:
            “Those are some reasons why. This controversy is not caused by conservatives and Christians; it's caused by liberals.”

            I am sorry, Ms. Durham, wrong again. Both conservatives and Christians are delighted to join in this controversy. This is not just a liberal issue as you claim. The 2012 Republican Party platform supported a ban on same-sex marriage through a federal constitutional amendment. {2}

            Q. Why, Ms. Durham, is there a need for a constitutional amendment?
            A. Because the right to same-sex marriages is now and always has been protected by the Constitution.

            Those who would like to deprive their fellow Americans of this right should examine their own consciences, both political and religious. 
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            {1} http://www.actseighteen.com/articles/standards.htm
            {2} http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_Renewing/

            1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
              MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              That was beautiful Quilligrapher. Thank you for posting.

              1. Mighty Mom profile image90
                Mighty Momposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Agreed.

                1. Quilligrapher profile image89
                  Quilligrapherposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  ty
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                  1. gmwilliams profile image86
                    gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Totally agree Quill.  Your statements are always profoundly intelligent and spot on!

              2. Quilligrapher profile image89
                Quilligrapherposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                yvw
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              mbuggiehposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Thank you...well said!

              1. Quilligrapher profile image89
                Quilligrapherposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                yw
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      4. LauraGT profile image88
        LauraGTposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        When I first read this I thought it was tongue and cheek!  I'm just thankful that our "wrongful and bigoted" laws are now in place, so  people who love each other can get married and have those marriages recognized.  I'm so thankful that I'm raising children in an time when they will look back and say, "Mom, you were alive when DOMA was implemented?  What a strange world you were living in!"  It's so great to see history in the making, especially when it will make the world a better place for my children, whatever their sexual orientation.  Bye-bye hatefulness!  You are soooo 20th century.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          It's more likely that kids will be asking if you were alive during the time when people were mocked and bullied just because they believed in good moral values, and when kids were taught that it's okay to engage in sodomy and other homosexual practices.    Soooooo  B.C.

          1. A Thousand Words profile image81
            A Thousand Wordsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            LoL. That's funny. As if any of that so called "mocking and bullying" compares to denying people's rights. As IF the struggle for Christians is at all existent in this country (hardly).

            It is rare if not non-existent that Christians in America are being beaten up after leaving a church because they are Christian. Or being denied the right to marry the person who they most love because they are Christian. Or being unable to be open about being a Christian in the military. Or being ostracized completely by not just family but sometimes even small communities because you're openly Christian. Utter foolishness. Replace everywhere where I put "Christians" with "gays," and "church" with "gay bar" or any random place, and guess what? That actually DOES happen here. Get real. The actual Christian struggle exists outside of the US. We supposedly live in the land of the free and a place of equal opportunity, but I guess if you had had it your way, it would've only been equal and free for the straight white Christians.

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            mbuggiehposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            There you go again with the obsession with sodomy and homosexual sex.

            When I think about marriage I think about love and commitment; companionship and friendship; caring and nurturing; support and help. I think about someone to share my dreams with; about someone who I can always count on.

            When I think about marriage I think about family; about holidays and birthdays.

            Unlike you, my first reaction to marriage is not to debase the institution by claiming that it is essentially about sex and sexual acts.

            Unlike you, my first reaction in terms of what I would teach my children and grandchildren about sex (and I have children and grandchildren) is not to tell them about what sexual practices are "good" or "moral" in a marriage,  but to try to teach them about the love and commitment and caring that are the good and the moral in any marriage.

            As I have posted previously, I am appalled by the debased and sexualized notion of marriage that seems to  be the "Christian" view of marriage so often expressed by the opponents of same-sex marriage.

            And I really hope that at the end of the day, and despite your comments about what constitutes marriage that your marriage---if you are married, like mine, is based on love and commitment and caring.

            1. LauraGT profile image88
              LauraGTposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Well said.  ++

          3. Josak profile image60
            Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Nothing better to do but concern themselves with the sex lives of others.

          4. LauraGT profile image88
            LauraGTposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "homosexual acts" (other than two people of the same sex doing all the same stuff that people of opposite sexes do - kissing, touching, vaginal/anal penetration, oral sex - yes healthy, "normal," straight couples do all this stuff too).  I will be giving my children age-appropriate messages that expressing themselves sexually is a natural part of life and is nothing to be ashamed of. I will do my best to give them the tools to protect themselves emotionally and physically (including encouraging them to wait to have sex and then to only have sex within the bounds of a loving relationship). I also will encourage them to not judge others in their personal and private decisions.

            1. Josak profile image60
              Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              +100000000000000000000000000000000000000

            2. A Thousand Words profile image81
              A Thousand Wordsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Well said.

            3. KEPitz1005 profile image60
              KEPitz1005posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              LauraGT - my sentiments EXACTLY! I wouldn't want to raise my kid to fear or hate same-sex couples or any other group of people. I tried to instill in my son that nobody's better than anybody else, and every single person is different from every other single person... and THAT is what's normal! I wouldn't want him to go through the emotional turmoil if he questioned his sexuality and was taught that it was something that was to be hidden and hated - that it was not "normal".

        2. MelissaBarrett profile image60
          MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Poe's law.

          Brenda is actually an absolutely brilliant liberal winning over all but the strongest conservative to the liberal side.  It's amazing.

          1. LauraGT profile image88
            LauraGTposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Awesome!

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            Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            You wish.
            Hey "Dorothy",  tapping your heels together and wishing it so, doesn't make it so.   lol

            1. Josak profile image60
              Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              That is the effect you have. Thanks for your service.

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                Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                No thanks for yours.
                You should worry about the effect you have, instead of trying to re-label me.

                1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
                  MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  His image: Caring, intelligent and vaguely anti-establishment (sorry Josak)

                  Your image: You.

                  Once again, thank you for your great work recruiting members for the liberal mindset.

  2. Zelkiiro profile image83
    Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago

    http://www.motherjones.com/files/legacy/mojoblog/gaymarriage.gif

    1. A Thousand Words profile image81
      A Thousand Wordsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Where is the "like" button?

      1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
        MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I personally want a section for "America will be turned into a pile of salt" and "You will be forced to have sex with a member of the same gender"

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I'm wondering more just what happened to the pedophilia and bestiality sections?  Surely they should be at least half of it...

          1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
            MelissaBarrettposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Good point!

            There should be a section for "I will burn in hell eternally because someone else did something that I think my kind and just God didn't like" as well.

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              mbuggiehposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              I think Dante in his INFERNO created a special section of hell for those folks...wink

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            mbuggiehposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Hmmm...are we bringing Roman Catholic clergy into the conversation now?

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        mbuggiehposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Exactly....we need a "like" button!

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        Sooner28posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Lol that's what I was thinking.

    2. Mighty Mom profile image90
      Mighty Momposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That would be an outstanding graphic if they took off the bottom one.
      The icecaps really are melting. It has nothing to do with LGBT.
      But it does have to do with people.
      Although that is a subject for another thread.

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    mbuggiehposted 3 years ago

    thanks..I love the chart...smile

  4. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 3 years ago

    From a USA Today article posted three hours ago. Apparently even some Republicans are in favor of gay marriage. Otherwise there would not be 55% support...

    The poll by Princeton Survey Research Associates questioned 1,003 adults from Thursday through Sunday. It has a margin of error of +/-3.6 percentage points.

    Gay rights activists react outside the Supreme Court on June 26.(Photo: Mladen Antonov, AFP/Getty Images)

    Among the findings:

    • By an unprecedented 55%-40%, Americans say marriages between same-sex couples should be recognized by law as valid, with the same rights of traditional marriage. That's the highest level of support since Gallup began asking the question in 1996. Then, fewer than half that number, 27%, backed the idea.

  5. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 3 years ago

    I had visited this thread earlier and simply couldn't summon the energy to comment beyond my suggested edit on the graphic.

    Just saw this Huff Post article posted on Facebook. It is powerful.
    Talk about bullying -- making your own 12-year-old child "choose" Jesus over his
    budding sexuality. That is NOT what Jesus taught.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-rob … r=Politics

  6. jenniferrpovey profile image92
    jenniferrpoveyposted 3 years ago

    Here is why conservatives feel threatened by same sex marriage. Many are genuinely concerned that their churches will be pressured to perform same sex ceremonies. Our society is putting a lot of pressure on religious organisations to abandon their traditional values and "get into the 21st century."

    Which is wrong.

    I will be blunt: I am a marriage equality activist.

    But I also believe in religious freedom, which includes the freedom to believe homosexuality is a sin and the freedom for a church (or mosque, synagogue, temple, coven, kindred, etc...) to decide what marriages they will recognize and what they will not.

    I do, however, understand and appreciate their concern and feel it's important to address it moving forward.

    The second reason I've come across in discussion is that some people find it hard to separate their personal morality and religious beliefs from the law of the land. I.e., these people believe that if same sex marriage becomes legal they are somehow forced to start approving of it. This tendency is seen more in conservatives than liberals. I personally find it ridiculous, but that is really how some of these people feel.

    The third reason is that they are afraid that their children will become confused when they are taught that homosexuality is wrong at home and okay in school. I can see this concern too, I suppose, but I think we have *all* had to deal with the disconnect between family and church beliefs and wider society at some point - it's part of growing up.

    The fourth reason is that they are afraid that gay and lesbian couples raising children will somehow screw them up (there's no evidence of this, in fact there's even some small evidence to the contrary) or make them gay (all the gay people I know have straight parents, guys).

    These are reasons I've collated from extensive online discussion on the matter and are not a scientific poll.

    1. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      The first amendment prohibits the state from forcing any religion to do anything they don't want to.  It would require a massive majority vote to change that.

      The first argument is thus null and void, and the far right KNOWS that.  The argument is nothing more than a red herring, causing fear in those unable to read the constitution and think for themselves.

  7. jenniferrpovey profile image92
    jenniferrpoveyposted 3 years ago

    It's not the state they're afraid of.

    It's people bringing anti-discrimination lawsuits against them. Which, even if they WIN, is expensive and annoying.

 
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