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Let the Stand Your Ground Law and the Killing Begin

  1. SpanStar profile image60
    SpanStarposted 3 years ago

    Mister Michael Dunn as Black teenagers to turn the music down in their vehicle. After a verbal confrontation Mister Dunn took his gun shot and killed one teenager and fired at the others in the vehicle. After which he left the scene and went and had pizza. It is reported that he will be using the stand your ground Law defense.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- … c-dispute/

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      Lie Detectorposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Begin?

      This happened in November 2012.

      Doesn't sound like a stand your ground case to me.

      But then I don't know any of the facts other than what I just read.

      Kind of like Zimmerman when I first heard about it.

      Then the facts came out and it wasn't anything like what was reported.

      Why don't you wait for the trial to end?

      Then you may know the facts and can make a better judgement.

      Uh, nevermind.

      1. SpanStar profile image60
        SpanStarposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Hopefully a trial will take place. Everybody has their own way of dealing with issues and situations. Reporters don't usually wait on the trial and criminal investigators usually don't wait on the trial. Since I can't affect change regarding the circumstances I see no reason to wait on the trial.

        It has been reported that even rival gang members are now using this Stand your ground Law."

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          Lie Detectorposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          You are not going to effect change on this issue.

          The States have decided!

          The feds need to keep their place!

          1. Cody Hodge5 profile image60
            Cody Hodge5posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            When certain states can prove that they are mature enough to run their own affairs, then maybe we can try that out....

            1. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              The Daily Show segment on the Zimmerman verdict is piercing and priceless.

              The Daily Show has a New Motto for Florida:  The Worst State

              1. SpanStar profile image60
                SpanStarposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                I like your link.

    2. Credence2 profile image86
      Credence2posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Span, I have heard of this tragic incident.

      This is murder, period, 2nd degree at the least.  I am concerned that if I, as a black man, says 'boo' to a white, that he or she would be justified to shoot me in "fear of their life"

      I will make it clear to the rightwing community that this will not be tolerated, we will protest and clog the courts' dockets with cases that will bring the house down. The gun slingers need to be aware that you cannot just do what ever you want and get away with it.

      Again the kid is disarmed and there is not compelling reason for the man to shoot this kid. As Florida has a death penalty, this is a good case for it to serve as a reminder.

      Martin's death will open a bucket of worms for these kinds of laws placing them under much scrutiny, so Trayvon's death may not have been in vain. I want these laws prescribed much more tightly as to what constitutes 'self defense' and whether lethal force was the only proper option. This case nothing to do with any of this, so if this things stalls again lets bring down Al and Jesse to stir the pot and bring the hypocrisy of these kinds of laws back into the public spotlight for a close look. That north Florida area seems to be nothing but trouble.

      Look at the guy's mug, talk about creepy.....

      1. SpanStar profile image60
        SpanStarposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Credence2,

        I clearly see your perspective and how once again it would appear that the African-Americans seem to be an endangered species.

        The other issue which I'm having a hard time digesting is the comments by certain people stating that the trial of Mister Zimmerman and young Trayvon Martin was a legal or ethical decision and not a moral decision. From what I've read morals dictate the values we place on our judgments and the ethics is basically the execution of morality.

        Are we saying that our justice system has no morals? There used to be a time in history where people would say I'd throw myself on the mercy of the court, if there are no morals then there is no mercy.

        The point becomes can justice truly be found in America's courtrooms? Or is right and wrong simply determined by who makes the better argument? If the latter is true then I suggest the Lady of Justice removed the blindfold from her eyes and see what the heck is going on in her courtrooms.

        1. Credence2 profile image86
          Credence2posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          "The point becomes can justice truly be found in America's courtrooms? Or is right and wrong simply determined by who makes the better argument? If the latter is true then I suggest the Lady of Justice removed the blindfold from her eyes and see what the heck is going on in her courtrooms."


          Unfortunately, human beings are not always rational, we are fraught with error , can our institutions be any less?

          We all know that a good attorney could get Satan acquitted, a poor one would be just as ineffective the other way on a grand scale. People can be swayed, cajoled to look past certain facts or have preconcieved attitudes that they bring into the jury. With all the kangeroo courts in the pre civil rights era South, being right or wrong was irrelevant against the overriding theme of white supremacy.

          We are all subject to bias in one form or another, true objectivity requires self-control, an attribute not commonly found. 

          Looking at the trial of Zimmerman he and his attorney were clever enough to choose not to use the Stand your Ground Law as a basis of their defense, as Zimmerman would have to prove to a higher standard that his life was in danger, so he could not just walk into a potential buzz saw and just say that his actions were defensive. But on a simple self-defense argument with all the circumstances surrounding it dismissed, he could get off, and he did. Within the simplistic formula, I could not prove that Zimmerman was not fighting for his life at the crucial moment.

          We as a civilization are clearly de-evolving, going back to a more savage and crude period where everybody wore side arms and used lethal violence to settle even the most mild of disputes. And guess what, the rightwinger is star of the show!

          1. SpanStar profile image60
            SpanStarposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Credence2,

            Powerful, informative and enlightening... Good for you.

  2. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 3 years ago

    Except, in this case, there are live witnesses.

  3. SpanStar profile image60
    SpanStarposted 3 years ago

    I have a question For Those Living in the "Stand Your Ground State":

    If a woman is being raped and during the commission of this rape she comes up with a fingernail file which he clearly intends to use against her rapist At this point is the rapist now justified in killing her?

 
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