fantastic historical account of corruption inthe banking/money systems
The information in this video is important for all people across the planet to know and understand, because that power of knowledge gives them the ability to act differently in how they deal with their lives and individual economies at the local, state and national levels.
Unless the greater population changes the way they think and act, nothing will change on a greater scale. As well as more people that stand up and say things are not done right, the more effect it will have to help that change along.
It's better to be a activist optimist than a passive pessimist!
Stop buying stuff.
That is what I have done. Of course, my government has paid for a new car out of my taxes anyway. Except I didn't get the car. 
They did do their part. Exactly as ordered. No question.
And I guess by "bull" you mean point out the obvious flaws in the religion you subscribe to?
Sorry Mike - Religion, Government, Banking System - all the same.
Control. Of you me and everyone else. By hook, crook and religious indoctrination. All the same. Except for the rewards in the afterlife. Mr. Bush is a big believer too huh?Bush administration do something about it...??? what? they were just pawns, every government is, of the ultra big bankers and businesses and ultra rich families that have been around for centuries.
Also, at one point in the video, the narrator referred to the elections of 1996 that had not happened yet...the whole point of the video was that the "cycles of business" (of which war is only one facet of its perpetuation) was created in a particular way and has been going 'round and round' or rather, up and down for centuries...our current situation is just another round of the same ole same ole, and the majority of the people still haven't awakened to it all.
The religious right have a spiritual sense about it all, that they connect with patriotism and the founding fathers and their mystical understanding of the "Order of the Universe", God...which the liberal left doesn't seem to appreciate.
I am not saying right have it all right, or that the left have it all right...but the "moneychangers" (as they are called in the video) certainly know how to keep them fighting each other and blind to how they are manipulated by the "elite".
Well I got around to watching the video last night. What a clear understanding of the "money changers". Note how it quotes 3 or 4 popes ending with Pope Pius XI's quote "For what will it prophet men that a more prudent distribution and use of riches make it possible for them to gain even the whole world, if thereby they suffer the loss of their own soul?" This video that SJ posted makes it very clear to me why the "money changers" financed William of Orange to over throw the rightful James II. And when Queen Anne died why about 56 people that had more of a claim to the crown of England were bypassed for the German George I. James II and the 56 were Catholics so the "money changers" were concerned that a Catholic monarch might re-establish a usury law or put an end to fractional lending practices. This video also makes it clear why the Catholic faith was outlawed in the British Isles from the time of Queen Elizabeth I in the 1500s to about 1829 (except for a short period). It also makes it clear why there is so much "anti papist" crap coming from some Protestant pulpits. Now it makes me wonder whether the whole Protestant Reformation was kindled and financed by the "money changers". It's very clear that Martin Luthers 91 thesis was not a declaration of war against the Catholic Church if you read it but I have read some German Princes pushed it into the blood bath that it became in Germany. Thank you very much for posting this video SparklingJewel. It makes everything I have read more clear. This video makes it look like that zeitgeist video was produced by the "money changers". I'll have to read what they say on their web site, http://www.themoneymasters.com/
We are obviously seeing this video from two different perspective SparklingJewel. The majority of the religious right follow dispensationalism and Christian Zionism and are helping the "money changers". As far as I am concerned you can separate dispensationalists into two groups. One group is basically Forcing God's Hand thinking they can hurry the second coming of Jesus Christ. The other group thinks the same as the zionists that their messiah will rule the whole world from Israel with the zionists in charge of all the wealth of the world. These dispensationalists think that messiah will rule for a thousand years but that messiah won't be Jesus Christ and that messiah will just sit in the temple for 3 and a half years. Don't believe me they prove it themselves by what they preach and write about. Or you can read what I have to say from page 3 to page 6 on this Religion vs the Bible thread. Dispensationalism, like zionism has been around for just over 100 years. Dispensationalism, no matter what form it takes is clearly a twisted idea. A lot of American Catholics have been duped into joining the religious right to vote republican because they think every vote is a one issue vote against abortion. After 35 years it should be clear the republicans have no intention of reversing Row vs Wade and American Catholics are finally getting that through their thick skulls.
Coincidentally knolyourself last night on CTV they interviewed a former American ambassador to Canada. Guess what they were talking about. Yep, they didn't mention it in the words 'North American Union' but they talked about a US/Canada area for protection and commerce.
This page wouldn't load for me yesterday knolyourself. So they have known about the problem of the looming financial bubble not just from March 2007 when the video that SJ posted was first put up but from at least September, 2006, without doing anything about it. They called Murdoff's scam a ponzi but I have been thinking, like that sites says, with the derivatives and all that crap the whole American financial system has been a ponzi.
The video that SparklingJewel posted ends with a conclusion to correct the mess that wouldn't be very painful for anybody except for the "money changers". We'll soon see if Obama's administration is for the few "money changers" or the rest of us. If this thread was in the religion forum I'd be saying, in the spirit of Elias (Elijah for Protestants), repent of your sins.
Mike
- pgrundyposted 15 years ago
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Well, it's an easier explanation. I just don't think people are that clever. Conspiracies require a level of cleverness and stealth that I don't think our government or our bankers possess.
But you may be proved right in the end. - pgrundyposted 15 years ago0
Mike you should really watch that zeitgeist video all the way through
Perhaps then you might get it through your bigoted head that - The Catholic Church is one of the Money Changers
They have sizeable interests in the following banks:
Rothschilds
Hambros Bank
Credit Suisse
Morgan Bank
Chase-Manhattan Bank
First National Bank of New York
Bankers Trust Company
The Federal Reserve
Amongst many others.....
Sheesh.........- pgrundyposted 15 years ago0
This thread has gotten so confusing.
The Catholic Church a money changer? No doubt! Isn't that where the whole 'golden candlesticks' rap comes from, the Church's love of money? The Catholic Church burned millions of women and a few men in the 15th and 16th centuries just so they could take their property. It's just not nice, is it? I don't see that they've changed much.
I have watched Zeitgeist but I thought it was kind of goofy. Is this whole conspiracy thing kind of like the financial version of The DaVinci Code?Wrote an article recently about European Banking at the time of the Reformation. Nothing has changed - The Protestant and Catholic Churches tried to restrict interest on loans to six percent, but ended up having to concede. Lots of people invested non-existent money, banks went belly up and the governments of most nations decided to set up state-controlled central banks.
The rest is history - we never learnYes, this is my theory--we're just greedy by nature as a species and this is what happens over and over. A few people hog all the money, things go wrong, there's violence, then it starts all over again. At least, that's how it looks from here.
Once a society forgets the importance of philosophers, musicians and artists, it is all over.
It was during the Reformation that England, France and the Netherlands set up the state central banks, eg. the Bank of England. Private banks encouraged speculation, set against land, but had a tendency to fail.
Try Sandra Sider 'Handbook to life in Reformation Europe' - it is in Google Books search, page 209. You really could replace the names with modern institutions and not notice - business as usual.
Before the reformation it was the Templars - destroyed because they became too rich and powerful.
Lita: Thanks for the praise - the Greeks teach philosophy at school, and you notice the difference. Artists like you, and investigative types like TMG and Knol show that there is free thought in America - it is not all over yet!
What is MFA? - can't be arsed to Wiki it
EDIT: As for the pessimism - ran out of Ouzo, and whisky makes me maudlin
Ah yes, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. That fine piece of work.
Well, Make Money clearly hasn't watched that video. He watched the first few minutes and didn't bother watching the rest.
I have made my own plan to subvert the church - and there is nothing slanderous about it.
But let's talk about pawns.......Culling? Who said anything about culling?
Communism? Who said anything about that?
Really Make Money Changers - You have been listening to too many fairy tales.
- Leta Sposted 15 years ago0
Which I believe is our true nature, Sufi,
.'Tis a passing thought.
The Greek politicians feared the philosophers. The Celtic and Viking rulers could be brought down by a bard's words. The Roman populace was inspired by the satire of Catullus and Martial. Chaucer had a wonderful disrespect for authority.
Journalists, and political musicians and writers, kept modern governments in check, but the corporate homogenization of culture has put paid to that notion.Yes, yes, to some extent. But I would counter that the rise of the internet, and even (tho it is annoying) the increasing interest in MFA programs--and even more advanced education all around (though others here see it otherwise) might signal a positive advancement of said nature.
(Are all the guys in this place slightly if not totally cynical?, lol)
I have always believed that the pen was mightier than the sword or the corporate reaches. I think you are actually living proof of it there in Greece, Sufi.
No worries - I do not have the best grasp on economics, but it seems that when people gamble with money that does not exist, it goes horribly wrong.
I am going to stick with bartering computer lessons for turnips - at least I know that they exist, because I just ate themSufi,
Just took a look, all of those countries had private banks, the closest to a government bank is the bank of England the link below, it was nationalised in 1946, but left in control of its private owner banks so really it is just another shell game like our Fed. People think it is their assett and the reality is the other way around.
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/about/history/index.htm
Lita, I just started drinking so the cheer level should be up in about an hour.
TMG
- Leta Sposted 15 years ago0
Sufi--
Oh, sorry. Forgot that was written in American. Master of Fine Arts programs. The equivalent of a PhD--a terminal degree--only in the fine arts. There has been an explosion of them here in the last 15 years--both writing and art programs (this the areas I know of).
Also in publishing.... So much so that I think we are done with 'canons.' Also in expression of aesthetics as far as visual arts.
But I ramble.... No, it is definitely not over yet.
Edit: Or lyrical, You and TMG need to drink more of the other, then...Terminal? It never killed any of my friends who got it ... granted, it came close, in a couple of cases
Haha. It came close to killing a few of my friends, too, and even, me... But you get through it and put it all into context,
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Glad to hear that there is some fightback, Lita.
Ireland has a good system - artists and musicians are exempt from basic rate tax. Still poor, but at least they can afford food.
Artists get a lot of respect in Greece, too - mind you, I had one stupid woman telling me that I was not a 'proper' writer. I just about managed to restrain myself from poking her eyes out, Oedipus style.
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Me too - classic comedy!
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