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  1. Onusonus profile image87
    Onusonusposted 3 years ago

    http://the-american-catholic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Abraham-Lincoln-Democrat.jpg
    This is an actual plaque hanging at Northeastern Illinois University in Chicago. The excuses given from the Liberals who made this are a wide stretch of the imagination.

    1. The Frog Prince profile image79
      The Frog Princeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      That's what they want people to believe.  I think that they really do believe that if you tell a lie often enough suddenly it will come true.  I know Obama believes that.

      1. Silverspeeder profile image60
        Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        The European parliament and local councils have whole departments thinking up this sort of rubbish.
        Renaming roads, schools and colleges after people or places and then giving rubbish explanations as to why. Normally they never have any public consultation either because they know best.

    2. Credence2 profile image87
      Credence2posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Everybody knows this is in error. Most educated people know that Lincoln was a Republican,  a superb leader, representing a party that was vastly different than it is today. So.....

      1. Onusonus profile image87
        Onusonusposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        The people who made this plaque back in the early 1900's knew exactly what they were doing. They had a specfic goal in mind and that is to attach the Democrat party with Democracy in general. Except for the fact that Democrats have always been in favor of special interest groups. You can talk to any highschool graduate and ask them what party was abolitionist, and I guarantee you they will say Democrat. On the same token you can ask them who started the KKK and they will immediately say Republican.
        The fact is that this stuff works and they know it. After all, dead Republicans have been voting Democrat for decades in Illinois.

        1. Credence2 profile image87
          Credence2posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Obviously it is a joke, since the turn of the 20th century Democratic party, pro rural, pro-Southern had nothing to do with Lincoln. That was the special interests of the Democratic party at the time. The GOP has no special interests groups? Quite the contrary they drive Rolls Royce's and own Lear Jets, I think that is interest group enough,

          I can't apologize for the ignorance of the masses. But I know better.

          1. wilderness profile image98
            wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Denying reality, while common to the liberals of the world, does not change it. 

            A large brass plaque, riveted to a brick building wall, is not a joke.  It is another liberal, Democratic lie designed to fool an ignorant public.  Or at least the ignorant liberal public (republicans would question this, quickly finding an answer) - something not hard to do.  Obama has done it for years now, after all.

            1. Credence2 profile image87
              Credence2posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Again, your six is my half a dozen. In my world it is the GOP that is the most deceiving. And believe me, that is quite real, I was not born yesterday. Who is stupid enough to believe that Lincoln had anything to do with Democratic party, particularly during the time the plaque was placed there?
              You spoke to me before about putting people in boxes, is it possible that conservatives are guilty of this, as well?

              1. wilderness profile image98
                wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                LOL Credence, if you think the Democratic party is any different than the GOP when it comes to lying and spinning the truth to get what they want your MUST have been born yesterday.

                I'm sorry, I just find the continued insistence that Conservatives are all evil, that Liberals are all angels and only liberals have any workable answers to be comical in the extreme.  Worthy only of a comedic, ridiculous post in return.

                1. Credence2 profile image87
                  Credence2posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I just think that it is fair to say that you are not without your biases in promoting your point of view. I prefer the progressive spin, while you tout that of the right side of the ideological spectrum, same difference.

                  1. wilderness profile image98
                    wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Not quite.  What you are picking up as biases is mostly sarcasm.  Like the term "progressive"; there is nothing "progressive" about the liberal agenda of the nanny state.  We've been there before, in the cotton fields of the deep south, and to go back to that is not "progressive."

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            retief2000posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Rolls Royce, Private Jets - that sounds like American actors.  Isn't Hollywood a leftist redoubt?

            1. Credence2 profile image87
              Credence2posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              So I am imagining things when I see the GOP consistently ally themselves with big money and big business to the detriment of every other consideration. Is there a reason for that? Hollywood is just a small portion of the total wealth and influence, but infinitesimal relative to the big picture. The rightwinger uses 'Hollywood" to just get attention, but it is quite unwarranted.

              1. wilderness profile image98
                wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Do you look for and find the democratic politicians doing the same thing?  If not, then yes, you are imagining that it is only the GOP.

                1. Credence2 profile image87
                  Credence2posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Not to the same extent, is there a reason why working class and poorer people vote democratic besides all the conservative's accusations of their getting free money?

                  1. wilderness profile image98
                    wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Besides the free money they get?  No, there is no perceptible reason for the poor to vote democratic.

                    Business, yes - the liberals will pay them for goods and services to the poor, but not the poor. But isn't a lifetime of free money enough reason to vote liberal?

                    The working class, now, has no reason to vote democratic at all.  They support themselves, they (for the most part) care about their country and don't wish it to deteriorate and fall apart to satisfy some utopian liberal dream of equal wealth for everyone.

        2. rhamson profile image77
          rhamsonposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          "Except for the fact that Democrats have always been in favor of special interest groups." Congress has been in favor of special interest for years. Pointing to one culprit in charge of the votes for sale plague that pervades either party is like choosing one convict in jail as the reason why the others are in there with him. Neither party has the answers to our problems because they are all on the take whether for personal or corporate gains. Get real and don't rewrite what the slime on the hill are up to and point to one group of slime bags as better than the other.

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        retief2000posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Not vastly different. Lincoln's opinions on personal conduct and private property clearly deny Democrats and lefties ( as if there is a difference) any claim to anything of Lincoln's.

        1. John Holden profile image59
          John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          There is a world of difference between democrats and lefties.

          1. Onusonus profile image87
            Onusonusposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Yes the lefties in America have much farther to go to amount to the level of societal decay that the lefties abroad have achieved.

          2. HowardBThiname profile image91
            HowardBThinameposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Not so much, J Holden. In the US, Lefties congregate in the Democrat Party, which also houses its fair share of liberals.

            1. John Holden profile image59
              John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              No, in the US lefties congregate in the SDUSA.  Liberals are not left wingers.

              1. wilderness profile image98
                wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Sure they are.  Both liberals and socialists are left wingers.

                And any other scurrilous names we can think up. big_smile

              2. HowardBThiname profile image91
                HowardBThinameposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                The SDUSA is virtually gone. Shut down in 2005. A dream that failed. Now, it's nothing more than a little ragtag group that tried to pick up the pieces but never gained momentum.

                Perhaps it's because you don't live in the US that hold such errant views? 
                Leftists and liberals both congregate in the Democrat Party today. And of course, I know there is a difference, I separated the two in my former post, after all. But, they do overlap in their political ideology.

                1. John Holden profile image59
                  John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  The fact that lefties congregate in the Democratic party does not indicate that the Democrat party is leftist, just that they are seen as the lesser of two evils.

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                    retief2000posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Or the greater, I suppose it depends on your perspective, and contact with reality.

                  2. HowardBThiname profile image91
                    HowardBThinameposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    No, Mr. Holden, it does not indicate that the *entire* democrat party is leftist, but the far-Left fringe of the party is. And it's a very vocal fringe, although most Americans reject their thinking.

    3. JG11Bravo profile image95
      JG11Bravoposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      How amusingly absurd.

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      retief2000posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      A plaque on a building at an institution of higher learning, this is not an accident.

  2. John Holden profile image59
    John Holdenposted 3 years ago

    It would have looked a little stupid to have the whole sign in upper-case apart from democrat wouldn't it?

    I would assume that many people of different political persuasions are democrats, but not necessarily Democrats.

    Just as many left wingers may be conservative, but not Conservative.

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      SassySue1963posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Oh please stop.

      It's such a pathetic attempt to condone that which should not be condoned and everyone here knows that if it was the other way around the liberals would not stop crying about it
      There would be organized protests, MSNBC would be blaring the news about it. Somehow it would be construed as racist, no matter how they had to spin it.
      The very fact that anyone would condone it is hypocrisy at its worst.

      1. John Holden profile image59
        John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Stop what?
        Pointing out that Lincoln supported democracy?

        The very fact that anyone would deny that is hypocrisy at its worst.

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          SassySue1963posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Stop defending it and admit that if it said republican for say, FDR, even though the word can be used in the same manner, there would be an overwhelming outcry from the left.
          No one is denying Lincoln supported democracy, haven't heard anyone say that. It is you twisting the usual and common meaning of the word to support keeping the plaque as it stands.
          I'd like to know when is the last time you used the word democrat to mean a supporter of democracy (other than in this instance) and not meant a member of said political party.

          1. John Holden profile image59
            John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            We don't use language in the same way that we did 100 + years ago do we?
            Would you suggest rewriting Shakespeare because we don't talk like that any more?

          2. John Holden profile image59
            John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            By definition all US citizens are republicans - even those opposed to republicanism.

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              SassySue1963posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Yes but you are avoiding the pertinent question now aren't you?

              That if it was a plaque that claimed FDR as a republican, there would be a never ending outcry from the left.

              Diversionary tactics. The best liberals have to offer.

              1. John Holden profile image59
                John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Diversionary tactics! Like trying to claim that Lincoln wasn't a supporter of democracy!

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                  SassySue1963posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Once again, no one has said that at all, yet you keep on going there like it has some bearing on the conversation.
                  Once again avoiding the question put to you in a direct manner.
                  That is the definition of diversionary tactics.
                  And to be clear, people have indeed re-written Shakespeare into more modern English.
                  Do you deny that the plaque is now misleading at best and  proporting a lie at worst?
                  Do you deny that if it was FDR claimed as a republican that there would be a never ending outcry from the left until it was changed?

                  1. John Holden profile image59
                    John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Do you deny that Lincoln was a supporter of democracy?

                  2. John Holden profile image59
                    John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    The plaque may be misleading to those with only a passing understanding of the English language or with mischief on their minds.
                    It is perfectly clear to me that though Lincoln was a Republican he was also a supporter of democracy, a fact that should be understandable by anybody with even the briefest acquaintance with US politics.
                    I do not deny that some on the left do not have any better understanding than those on the right.

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              retief2000posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              That is absolutely correct, in so far as Americans all reside in a republic and participate in a republican system.  We do not reside in a democracy and the idea of a democratic system has become muddled and indecipherable over time.  Voting for representatives with the representative receiving the majority of votes is republican but is it, in the clearest sense, democratic?  I think this is where the confusion emerges, some what intentionally.

              1. John Holden profile image59
                John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                You meant  USA citizens do not hold ultimate authority and power?

                And what of the Democratic-Republican party of the USA?

                1. wilderness profile image98
                  wildernessposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  "You meant  USA citizens do not hold ultimate authority and power?"

                  At this time any answer is questionable.  Within 20 years the answer will be a resounding "NO" if things don't change radically.  The professional politicians we "elect" are getting too powerful to imagine that we hold ultimate power.

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                  retief2000posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  One would think so but political power is dispersed and it is easy to gather up sufficient support when one hands out the "goodies" seized from others.

                  1. John Holden profile image59
                    John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    But isn't the fact that political power is dispersed at the very foundation of democracy?

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    Beth37posted 3 years ago

    Maybe it was just signed by a democrat... like:

    I like chocolate. Beth.

    1. Will Apse profile image90
      Will Apseposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      You aren't planning on torturing the politicos now, are you Beth?

      A plaque on both your houses! Or just one.

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        Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Why can't my posts all be witty and charming like yours? lol
        It's my day off... It's this or folding socks. I have a lot of socks to fold. sad

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          SassySue1963posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Well, it made me smile, Beth.
          Darn those socks!

          Well, you know, not meant literally...unless they do have holes lol

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            Beth37posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            They are the bane of my existence. Conservative.

 
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