... the latest ... adrian petersen ... charged and arrested ... for ... beats his son with a tree branch ... a branch ... really like what, 2 - 3 inches across ... how many bones were broken ... you want to see real child abuse ... look at lunches queen obama is pushing in the schools ... anything for a story ... whose next ...
So, bones must be broken to constitute abuse...?
If I see someone beating a kid with a tree branch, or a slipper, or a bag of marshmallows... I'm calling it abuse. It's the intent that counts more than the injuries, in my opinion.
It's a problem that I view a grown man setting out to injure/violently assert himself over a small child as abuse?
... quite an assumption ... but your broad brush covers it ...
He repeatedly hit a child with a tree branch with enough force to cause injury. What do you think his intent was?
... only he knows what his intent was ... again, how big was that "tree branch" ... never mind ... i read your profile ... i think we are finished here ...
Disclaimer, beating a child is a bad idea.
Which is more abusive? Spanking a child as punishment for playing with matches, or, spanking a child because he told the neighbors, truthfully, that you are a drunk?
We have turned into a society in which right and wrong are mitigated based on notions other than right and wrong. We have turned into a society were there are no expected norms and any concept of morality is either attacked, dismissed or elevated to equality to all others and thereby further diluting the idea of right and wrong.
In society now, it is a higher moral good to slaughter a child through abortion than it is to raise a child with solid values, a strong moral faith and the idea that there is a real, identifiable and immutable difference between men and women, both being necessary for marriage and child rearing.
The world is no less deadly and vile today than in the days when switching an unruly child was a common practice.
... other than your disclaimer, we may be on the same page ... as to the disclaimer we would have to have an understanding of "beating" ... does this mean a slap, a licking, a striping, a spanking, a whooping, etc. ... as you have noted the American culture is in a serious morality crunch ... this was brought on by those same folks with socialistic attitudes and ideology who think that corporal punishment at any level is wrong and uncalled for ... just sit down and smile and talk with them ... share doobie ... and teach them that there are no repercussions for doing wrong as long as they memorized those perfect words of contrition ... i'm sorry ... there now everything is better and the other little boy or girl they threw the rock at will be happy to hear that ...
" teach them that there are no repercussions for doing wrong as long as they memorized those perfect words of contrition" Because physical punishment must be the only way of teaching people smaller than us. Lets beat them all into submission, because we're too stupid to figure out how to teach without hitting! Makes perfect sense! Lets all pick the laziest way of parenting and do that one! After all if we have to THINK about how to effectively punish someone without hitting we couldn't be control freaks! Kids, dogs, women, men, lets just hit everyone till they do what we told them to! We don't have to hit them hard, just hard enough for them to obey. We can rename it popping so that it doesn't sound as bad as hitting.
... i think you are getting the picture ... change the wording and soften the effect ... home invasion used to be burglary ... retail fraud used to be larceny ... sexual assault used to be rape ... now we are working on the softening of punishment ... parenting is no easy matter but it does call for decisions ... unpopular though they may be ... kids don't just "know" right and wrong, they must taught ... and therefore the rod is not the first action ... but it is the ultimate action ... and should be applied when all else fails ... and it is no panacea ... better they kids understand punishment for wrong at an early age than to have both parents and child suffer unimaginable heartache at a later time ... there are two great motivators ... love and fear ... in that order ... when the first is applied properly, the second is not necessary ...
If all else fails, the parent is failing! Beat the kid because you can't figure out a way to teach a child effectively? Fear? If a parent needs to make their child fear them, they have become lazy and/or ignorant in their parenting. "when the first is applied properly, the second is not necessary ..." and by this you agree? If it fails then it is the parents fault for not applying it properly? So why don't we hit the parent instead of the child, if it is the adults responsibility to teach and they failed?
... children are only children a short while ... adulthood is a long time for most ... so we teach the child that "love is all there is" (personally i found most beatless stuff insipid and surreal after their first years) ... anyway, put them in the unforgiving real world where there are repercussions for improper action, and its not a time out in the corner ... its a time out in a cell ... and please don't tell me there are no beatings in the jail houses for failure to comply ... and please don't tell me most of the first timers don't call the mama when given their "constitutional phone call" ... then, too, the penal system has a great education system ... jails and prisons make better criminals of the more intelligent ... and recidivism is about 85%, because it is a good life everything is provided ...
... yup, these folks where momma's boys when they were young ... got talked to when they were naughty ... and cookies as soon as it was resolved ... but they only learned about mom's love ... there was no fear retribution ... actually many of these go on to be bullys or bullied ... until they're 17 ... then the real system takes over ...
... so you teach them as you please ... that is your right as a parent ... but neither you nor your neighbors or government has a right of interfere in another's manner of parenting, including proper parental corporal punishment ... no, its not a panacea for bad behavior but it makes a point when talking doesn't and it prepares them for the world ... the world where the folks in congress may want to use the "child" in in a war ...
... "war, what is it good for, absolutely nothing" ... wish that were true ... war is the answer in every country where talking just doesn't get the job done ... at least for me ... i actually feel sorry for parents today ... how do they teach their kids non-violence when the people running the country are the most violent folks around ... in spite of their doveish statements and host of words, most of which are threats not toward the "enemy" but to make folks believe "gosh darn, we are trying to keep it peaceful" ... war, what is it good for ... money ... ... anyway, enuf on this subject
... that said, please note the first comments ... petersen's actions were not the subject and I don't have an opinion on his actions, that is now a court problem ... but, and here is the point ... and sad to say its money once again ... a lot of people are going to make a lot of money off of the incident because the nfl is in a flap about price and petersen's action ... petersen's child will now suffer for it ... rephrase that ... petersen's child will now suffer even more for it ... but it sells ...
Honestly Doc, Have you not given any thought to the fact that the majority of people in jail were probably spanked? Do you think the only ones who end up in jail are mama's boys?
One Example, My husband's family consists of 28 cousins. All of his mother's sisters parented identical, 7 sisters and not one of them spanked or even yelled. Not one of the cousins has ever been in trouble with the law. So the belief that hitting is required, goes out the window. Some of those cousins are now in their 40's with adults of their own, yet no one has ever been arrested and they all have college degrees except one. Their family has proven that spanking isn't required.
"but neither you nor your neighbors or government has a right of interfere in another's manner of parenting, including proper parental corporal punishment"
So at what point does it become our right to step in? Do we step in when the child is half dead? Do we step in when a little boy has to have his anus sewed up? Do we allow parents to destroy children? Are you choosing to ignore how many lives have been saved from reporting abuse?
If your point is that the media has ADD then you are correct. The news audience is fickle and has the attention span of a gnat. The media is all about fresh blood, not a clear and through story.
If your point is that the media has a political agenda then you are saying absolutely nothing new. Though it has shed any pretense at objectivity, the media has always had a political agenda. There were, in the distant past, Republican and Democrat media powerhouses. Now all the Big Media is not only Democrat, but America dismantling Obama Palace Guards Leftists.
If your point is that children are abused, nothing new there.
How about something different - Women are also abusive.
http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc … ner-abuse/
http://news.ufl.edu/archive/2006/07/wom … ctims.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/relation … ships.html
Mothers abuse children more often than fathers
https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/userm … rthree.cfm
Married parents are the best for children
http://parenthood.library.wisc.edu/Pope … rried.html
Live in boyfriends are dangerous for children
Marriage is the safest place for women and children
http://www.heritage.org/research/report … d-children
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/marria … omen-study
These also are nothing new, yet, I suspect are controversial for some.
... yes ... and ... yes ... and ... government interference has no bounds, no stop guards and is fueled by the parrots "know all, see all" comments ... which brings about the liberal hysteria ... which brings about more government interference ... which brings about more digging for nothing stories to make a new headline ... which brings about ... well, we are back to the beginning of the mobius strip ... wait a minute ... the strip has no beginning ... it just goes on and on ...
Oh, those crazy liberals, thinking it's unacceptable for a 200+ lb football player to beat up on his 4-year-old son. Hmmm, what does it say about a person who thinks healthy school lunches are a greater abuse of children than this? (Photos of alleged abuse included in article)
http://espn1420.com/adrian-peterson-ind … -injuries/
Read the article and saw the photos. This is ABUSE! Any type of physical force used to discipline a child is ABUSE!
The real problem is you don't consider this abuse! Or maybe just as bad of a problem is that you are using this incident to push your agenda against the Obamas!
... one has to believe this "whooping" started with the intent of doing "great bodily harm" ... but then we weren't there were we ... and we don't read minds ... lets hope the 12 in the box get all the facts and make a proper decision, not based on the drivel of the parrots ...
... but then too lets not hold our breath thinking petersens stature will not have some effect ... there is a world wide affluenza epidemic happening ... the point is this is everyday an occurrence in America ... and though this might go a bit past acceptance, it would not have made the news except for the present flap with the nfl and petersens notoriety ... so the parrots jump on the bandwagon ... make some headlines which generates bucks ... and when its over move on to the next social issue of interest at the time ... nothing will have changed ... and the real abuse (that is kids really busted up and dead) will continue ... but that's what we get in the throw away society we have become ...
... as to the obamas they don't need any help destroying themselves and their credibility ... they have done fine on their own ... and only morons can see a positive side to this 8 years of socialist assaults on American freedoms ... starting with "joe the plumber" ...
The school lunches aren't bad for the kids, because much or most of the food is dumped in the trash. The food MIGHT be more nutritious now, but only the trash benefits from the new nutrition standards. The kids don't like the new foods, and quite frankly, I don't blame them. Further, the new menu is, at best, debatably more nutritious; it's definitely less tasty.
"Upon returning to Minnesota, the Mother of the child took him to the doctor to treat the injuries. The child suffered cuts and bruises to his ankles, buttocks, legs, scrotum, and hands. The injuries to his hands are the result of defensive wounds."
If this isn't abuse to someone, I hope that someone doesn't have children of their own!
There are actually several studies to suggest a positive correlation between spanking/physical punishment and higher crime rates. Most research on physical punishment used for children is pretty clear on the fact that it increases the likelihood of aggression in the child. Which, to me, seems like common sense. Your parents use aggression to solve problems, you're more likely to do the same.
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