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Do You Think ISIS Will Attack Us Here In America?

  1. crazyhorsesghost profile image85
    crazyhorsesghostposted 2 years ago

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    Do you think the day is coming when ISIS will attack us here in America? Is there any way to stop a ISIS attack here in America? What do you think America should do about ISIS? Should we strike them in such a way as to cripple their organization forever? What can America do to protect America? What should America do? I know there are large cultural differences between America and most Muslim countries but should we use every force available to enforce human rights for all people. I think America should work to be 100 percent independent of having to purchase oil from the middle east and then the middle east countries would have to back off their extremist beliefs if they ever wanted any help from America. I find it sad that religion is causing all of this. Religion has caused more wars and conflicts than anything else on earth. What do you think about all this. I hope we can have a civilized discussion with out fighting among our self's.

    I think every member of ISIS should be hunted down and brought to justice. They are beheading people that are not agents of the governments in the countries they come from. They should be brought to justice and any country supporting ISIS should be dealt with and made to turn over any ISIS members. I fear if the US does not stand firmly that we will have many more 9-11's in our future.

    1. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      It is enviable that some push back will be felt. We are very vulnerable through our shipping ports and borders. As much as we are motivated to defend ourselves from this threat we are also ignoring our escalation of the tensions that perpetuate the conflict.

      1. GA Anderson profile image86
        GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Really? That is the only reason ISIS would attack us? Is that the reason they are attacking their current victims?

        I find it difficult to connect the dots of your "we made our own bed" Middle East problem rationalization with ISIS.

        Of course it is only an opinion, and I could be as wrong as I think I am right, but for you to bring that old chestnut to this question is a stretch in my mind. You need to update your repertoire. Would you also say the same as the reason for the Taliban's actions?

        Do you not think we should oppose ISIS? Do you propose we retreat to our shores, and let the Middle East go about its merry way, confident that our invulnerable "dome" will protect us from any foreign threats that achieve the power available to an oil-rich terrorist state?

        My view is that if my four kids are playing in the backyard and I find a nest of baby Rattle snakes, I am not going to let them be because they are not deadly "just yet." I will exterminate the buggers and deal with mamma Rattler's wrath as I must. ISIS is a threat to our nation now, and it is not because of our actions. It is because they are a throwback to the worst of primitive civilization's fanatical societies.

        Oops, guess I got a  bit carried away. But still, the US's actions are not the fuel that drives ISIS - in my opinion.

        GA

        1. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          To make a statement such as yours you are disingenuous to the argument. Who do you think created ISIS, Al Qaeda and the Taliban? Us, with our inflexible positions regarding invading their countries, taking their land and giving it to others, overthrowing their governments and killing their people. Sure you can make the same old argument of the amnesia stricken Americans as "What did we ever do to them" argument and if it is not convenient then dismiss it. Just because the media does not report the strife over there everyday it does not mean it goes away. Yours is the typical answer every American wants to hear short of nuking the entire region.

          1. Sed-me profile image81
            Sed-meposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Well take the US out of the picture completely and just focus on the children they've killed in the past year alone. Focus on the mothers and daughters they have taken as sex slaves and are making money off of to fund their mission. Focus on the religious groups they have driven into the mountains to starve and die. Don't worry about the west at all... just focus on what they're doing in Iraq. I don't know if you are comfortable sitting back and watching thousands upon thousands of innocent ppl being slaughtered, but I'm not.

            1. rhamson profile image76
              rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Convenient don't you think? Erase the causes and concentrate on the effects. It never will find an answer any other way? Is it better for our sons and daughters to go give their lives to defend what their own parents will not fix themselves? The morals and corruption over there is our problem only because we choose to meddle in it. We have tried to impose our societal values countless times in other countries such as Viet Nam, the Philippines, Nicaragua, Haiti, Cuba the list goes on. What have we given or gained from it? The middle east has been a mess since times of the Ottoman Empire through the times of the British break up of it to now as we see the results. Did we set up the bylaws and structure for these terrorist groups? I don't think we had a direct hand but we did ignore our role in helping it along through overthrowing their governments and backing the dictators that even now raise hell on their people. So what should we do? Find another pocket politician that answers to us. That is clearly no long term solution. Maybe we should let their parents organize and throw out the creeps that wish to continue these insurrections.

              1. Sed-me profile image81
                Sed-meposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                It's so odd to me... the way some ppl think.

                Supposition: "If we had not aided _____, we would have been unaffected by the aftermath of _____."

                Every time we step in to help a country in need... every time we offer our support to a fellow human being who needs help, WE are the better for it. How much more could we possibly have in America? We cannot hoard! We cannot hold back good from those who need it. How do you know what the future holds? How do you know that one day America wont be in utter, desperate, dire circumstances? And what if all the countries we've aided... what if all the armies we got behind... what if all the prayers, support and generosity wont come back and save us in the end? There is a reason we help others... and it's not to help ourselves. It's b/c it is the RIGHT thing to do! And if that good will returns to us, then all the more reason to believe we did the right thing, but if we withhold good from those in need.... do not be surprised if no one rises up to our defense. No man is an island, no country stands alone.

                James 4: 16-17
                "But as it is, you boast in your arrogance; all such boasting is evil. Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, to him it is sin."

                1. rhamson profile image76
                  rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Thanks for putting your opinion in the perspective I thought it was coming from. Good bye smile

              2. teamrn profile image79
                teamrnposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Rhamson, yes we have tried to impose our moral and societal values-In some instances. That was then and this is now. When does the son stop paying for the sins of the father; IF the father was in fact guilty if committing those sins?

                When do we look at the fact that ISIS is inside our borders, and when do we decide that we don't want to live in fear that our next trip to the supermarket may be our last trip to the supermarket because of mass beheadings?

                That may sound like fear-mongering: but it isn't meant to be. It is meant to serve as a reality check. The fact is, ISIS is here inside our borders.

                Annie

                1. rhamson profile image76
                  rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  ....That was then and this is now.

                  Your response reminds me of the commercial where the guy is on the cell phone saying "Can you hear me now?" He keeps using the same line and implement but just moves a couple of feet. You can't erase the past in their view because we continue to revisit it with our interference and support for Israel. We have not changed a thing and why should they expect any different from us. You can't change history.

                  This is THEIR war. War is always catastrophic and costly and the innocents always get harmed or killed. It is their culture and we can never seem to get that through our heads. It is like the doctor who keeps changing the medicine before the patient can be cured. The side effects of the different medicines mask the cure and the patient never gets well. Let them kill each other if that is their answer to their political woes.

                  You are right about securing our borders against their infiltration but other than that we let them have at each other.

                  1. teamrn profile image79
                    teamrnposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    "Let them kill each other if that is their answer to their political woes."That would be fine with me: IF IT WERE TO STOP THERE. But, they have proven several times that it's not stopping at killing EACH OTHER. They're killing us and we can either mount the considerable defense that the US of A has or lie on our backs until they take us out one by one. I'd prefer the former. Blow them to smithereens/

                    We should have blown them to smithereens OVER there, but our leadership chose not to. Now they are here and we must deal with them before they 'deal with us.' Before a shopping trip turns into the last excursion I'll make and I'm beheaded for my religion or for choosing the red dress instead of the blue dress.

                    Yes, this is THEIR war, but the minute it involved us or our allies, it became our war and ours to fight or not to fight. I think the majority of Americans no longer want to take the back seat to this terror threat.

                    "Let them have at each other;" if only they would STOP at 'having at each other', but their intent is to have at each other AND anyone who does not see the world as they do. That means nearly everyone. Cut off EVERYONE's head? Heck, no.

                  2. teamrn profile image79
                    teamrnposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Rhamson,  I'm not looking for a judgement of my communication style: These forums are not for judging communication style' rather for DETERMINING and DECIPHERING the content of what is communicated-on its merit.

                  3. teamrn profile image79
                    teamrnposted 23 months ago in reply to this

                    You say this is THEIR war: it is in the sense that it is war, and war is always catastrophic. However we have agreements with Israel that we must morally and legally honor as well as. because it's the right thing to do. That is what separates our country from many other countries we do the right thing and we hope always to do the right thing. We should try to make that our standard but our politicians don't always cooperate.  Merry Christmas!

          2. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Untrue.  ISIS, the Taliban, etc. have always been there, albeit without the name.  The US did not create Sharia law, for instance; that comes from the radicals that wish to control others.  So do the killing of girls going to church or refusing sex with the army.

            No, the peoples of the area look around and want what others have, whether the US or any of the developed countries.  THAT is what has brought about the militant groups - the people are straying from accepting their control and they don't like it.

            1. GA Anderson profile image86
              GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              "Untrue.  ISIS, the Taliban, etc. have always been there, albeit without the name...."

              That is a good point. Our hand, (among others), may have helped stir the stew that became any of the several groups mentioned, but I too think the seeds that these groups grew from are not ones planted by the U.S.

              For instance;
              Most historical accounts I found attribute the birth of the Taliban to the Pakistani ISI. We may have helped in their growth as a tool to thwart the Soviet Union - a tool that turned out to be double-edged - but it was not the U.S. that created it.

              By deposing Saddam we may have removed a tyrant that was acting as a control against a group like ISIS, but we did not create ISIS - your point speaks to what really created ISIS.

              GA

              1. rhamson profile image76
                rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Even if in your estimation we did not start it we have done little to help it. The more we help the worse it gets. You cannot give people that which they don't want for themselves. The evolution of it will eventually find stability. If they wish to war on each other and rape and pillage their neighbors then I guess their neighbors are willing to put up with it. The only thing we can do is contain it to their part of the world and if they wish to share their insidious behavior outside their borders we should unleash hell on them.

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Unfortunately, the weapons of today's world allow them to unleash not only a war but millions of dead with one blow - a blow that WILL happen one day if not stopped before then.  Because of that it is not practical to leave it alone within their own borders, at least not unless the people there are going to stop it themselves.

                  Which I predict they will, given time.  Whether that time also allows preparation for a goliath blow to someone else first is the question.

                2. GA Anderson profile image86
                  GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Well now, that's almost a response I can agree with.

                  Yes, except for the immediate lives saved when we step in and stop a genocide, it does seem to almost get worse the more we help.

                  Very true - we cannot give people something they do not want, as in our democratic ideals, but, do you think there are many that don't want personal freedom or freedom for their loved ones? We might have a poor scorecard, but there are still a lot of alive and more free people because of it.

                  Hmm... you are right, it has been going on Since the Ottoman empire, (and well before too, how do you think they became an empire), so in all those hundreds of years did their path of evolution find them at a point of stability?

                  Do you really think their "neighbors put up with it" as a matter of choice? I know, I know, it does seem that way sometimes. But when your choice is acquiesce or die, live semi-free or be a slave in chains, how many "live free or die" leaders have arisen among them?

                  Contain them and let them kill each other - or work out a solution,  seems like hands in the air solution. Do we just sit back and watch as an ISIS-like entity commits the societal atrocities we are seeing now. Have we reached a point where our hearts, (and consciences), have hardened to the point we can sit by and say, "Oh well, we tried"?

                  Being the callous soul I am, it would be fine with me if we could kill everyone that demonstrated ISIS-type behaviors freely. But I have a problem sitting back and watching innocents killed if we have any possible way to help them.

                  GA

                  1. rhamson profile image76
                    rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    You seem to be the only other adult in the room with a perspective of history to back your statements. I agree that it is hard to sit back and watch a society eat its young. The problem is that when we try to inject our values and culture into a society that uses a religion as a crutch to beat their charges with, we only pour fuel on the fire. They hate our religion and culture is a plain fact. So our answer has been to more forcefully add fuel to it? Just as with Iran who threw us out because of our meddling in their affairs they have begun to have a stability and even rumblings of change as the youth start taking charge in some political capacity. Do they still stone and behead people? Absolutely! But we have been able to contain them as we are proactive and vigilant in watching and coercing them to drop their nuclear aspirations. Americas ultimate response is to move in and kill everything that disagrees with us. Unfortunately it almost always has the opposite affect we are looking for.

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                retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Some people foolishly continue to argue that Al Qaeda and the Taliban were a direct creation of the United States, specifically the CIA and Ronald Reagan's efforts to undermine the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. While the Taliban and Al Qaeda both have origins in the Mujahadeen that battled the Soviet military, they are just 2 factions among many. Many of those factions joined the United States during the initial attack on both Al Qaeda and the Taliban during the Afghan War, as the Northern Alliance. The Taliban was trained and equipped by Pakistan, Al Qaeda grew out of Bin Laden's financial and organizational efforts during the Soviet occupation, often attacking any group supported by the US.

                http://www-pub.naz.edu/~aamghar6/Histor … aliban.htm

                http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07272007/alqaeda.html

                http://www.afghanistan-culture.com/mujahideen.html

                http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/dana-r … id/555437/

                http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline … iller.html

                1. GA Anderson profile image86
                  GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  You are right. The U.S. did not create these entities.

                  But, the U.S. did play a very large part in their effectiveness and survival - while it served our interests. This point has been well documented.

                  Our support of the Taliban and Bin Laden's Al Qaeda when it served our purpose to thwart the Soviet aggression is pretty hard to deny.

                  Another but... but, the fact that we supported their survival does not mean we are also responsible for their metamorphosis into their current anti-Western societies practices.

                  Damn! Did I just agree with you? Whodathunkit.

                  GA

                2. GA Anderson profile image86
                  GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  You deem it  a "foolish" contention, but can you deny that either the Taiban or Al Qaeda would have survived the Afghanistan  Soviet effort without U.S. support?

                  Both the Taliban and the early Al Qaeda organizations had U.S. support during the Soviet Afghanistan war effort. 

                  GA

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            retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

            You are right, of course. The crazy American policy of writing the Quran has caused so much trouble in the world.

        2. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 24 months ago in reply to this

          It is convenient to concentrate on the effects rather than the causes of a problem. But in doing so you ignore the root of the problems that continue to crop up in the future. We are not a presence in the middle east for any charitable reason. We are there to protect our allies and continue our influence on oil and the monetary gains it brings. To think that religious freedom and human rights are the reasons is ridiculous. We only have to look at the African nations who have no plunder to prove that. Our oligarchic system of government deems it necessary to continue these conflicts while plying us with farcical fantasies of good and American benevolence. Wake up man! You need to see the forest for the trees.

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            retief2000posted 24 months ago in reply to this

            The following is a list of countries in which the United States has conducted exercises or has a continuing military presence. Admittedly it is not all of Africa, but I am certain that Burkina Faso has little oil and even fewer Jews.


            Morocco
            Mali
            Niger
            Burkina Faso
            Cape Verde
            Mauritania
            Senegal
            South Sudan
            Kenya
            Tanzania
            Djibouti
            Placemark 15
            Ethiopia
            Seychelles
            Cameroon
            Central African Republic
            Democratic Republic of the Congo
            Nigeria
            Liberia

            As for the half baked oil theory, the United States isn't invading Nigeria, Venezuela, Mexico or Canada - the major exporters of oil to the US. Despite the best efforts of the anti-progress left in the United States, it is a net exporter of energy.

            1. rhamson profile image76
              rhamsonposted 24 months ago in reply to this

              What is half baked is even thinking that the countries you mentioned even come in close to the cluster flop we created in our half baked interference in Iraq, Afghanistan or even by creating and defending the creation of Israel. Good try but you don't even scratch a open scab with your ridiculous examples.

    2. syzygyastro profile image82
      syzygyastroposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Canada has already been struck twice by ISIS sympathizers. It is only a matter of time before the US is also struck.

      1. Sed-me profile image81
        Sed-meposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        I agree. George Bush is always saying that time will tell if he made the right choice to so aggressively pursue those who attacked on 9-11. (Not to bring any political agenda into this...) but I think we can see that to sit back and wait is a mistake. Evil is brewing, it is funded, it is manned and it is increasing in power.

        1. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          ISIS is not a direct result of the US's response to 911. ISIS is in response to the disarray that took place after the US invaded Iraq which had nothing to do with 911. I know this looks like a "Mulligan Stew" thrown together for our edification but keep the story straight. ISIS is the culmination of the dismantling of the Iraqi government when Saddam Hussein was deposed and when Bashar Assad turned on his own people in Syria. The whole region is in turmoil as it finds an identity while fighting a war.

          1. Sed-me profile image81
            Sed-meposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            I didn't say Isis was a direct result of Hussein. What I said was that looking at Isis now... seeing how they've grown in power and threat, we can see that it was probably a very wise decision to have actively pursued the militants that caused 9-11. In other words... you leave these dudes unchecked and they balloon into a full on force of destruction.

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            retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

            ISIS is a direct consequence of Obama's ineptitude and failure to compel the Iraqi government to accept an American base like the ones in other defeated nations like Germany and Japan.

            1. rhamson profile image76
              rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Oh yes! Yes it must be the Obama Boogeyman, it must be his fault going back to the fall of Rome. I can always count on your one reason for everything bad happening with the same response. It will just be so ducky when he is gone is your best response. Oh wait we have the Hillary Boogeyman waiting in the wings. At least we will know where all your arguments will be going then.

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                retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Hillary has already done plenty of damage with the Libyan Movie Critic lie and her stumbling, blind, idiotic stint as Secretary of State. I wonder how many Ukrainians would vote for that harridan?

              2. teamrn profile image79
                teamrnposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                There is no reason to BLAME and point the finger. We just must deal with what is a large human tragedy the best that we know how and can. We've seen evidence that our leaders are not, so we must 'deal with it' without creating panic and THAT is a hard and fine line to balance.

                Why so much defensiveness? There is a problem; we must solve it,

                Annie

            2. GA Anderson profile image86
              GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Oh my. We fight to make a country free. We fight to make a country embrace a democratic form of government. We fight to free a people so they can make their our national decisions - and yet you say it is Obama's fault that we did not condition their freedom on our interests?

              You go you Iraqis. Enjoy your freedom, bye.

              Obama walked into a set agreement for our departure. He faced a freely elected Iraqi government that would not agree to an equitable SOFA, (Status of Forces Agreement), yet it is entirely his fault that he did not coerce an agreement we want?

              Whew! We will be lucky to survive until the next democrat candidate is elected. It is all Obama's fault.!

              GA

          3. teamrn profile image79
            teamrnposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            In the absence of ALL leadership's acknowledging that there is terrorism and making Mulligan Stew clear, organized defense against ISIS is difficult. Leadership is negligent in its responsibility to provide and protect and secure the future and safety of this nation. This is not just ISIS attacking abroad. We've had too many indicators that they're in our back yards to believe the cockamamie stories that these were from 'youtube videos', etc.

            Annie

    3. teamrn profile image79
      teamrnposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      "Do You Think ISIS Will Attack Us Here In America?" I can't be more emphatic that they're already here. Sure, there's workplace violence, but 20 years ago, that workplace violence  would be investigated and called what it is. Not a mentally ill army colonel in Ft. Hood, but a spade would be called a spade after the investigation. TERRORISM.

      A grandmother just isn't beheaded instead of beinig shot or some other manner of homicide. Sure, there are copycat killers, but to do so in the name of religion,, gives one cause for pause. Now, we have an incident in neutral Canada. There are many who will say that there is no relation, that these are random acts of VIOLENCE. Some yes; but not all.

      Americans should be demanding that the borders be closed (but these guys are shifty and could find a way around that). It's a bit like 'locking the barn door after the horse has escaped' but ISIS must know that if they try to engage America on it's own soil, the penalty will be worse than beheading. But, Americans must be UNITED in this approach that we are all against ISIS. Do you want to live in fear of being raped, or that they'll attack your local supermarket or base station; be in your home?

      1. rhamson profile image76
        rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        The beheadings got exactly the response they were looking for. Think about it. smile

        1. teamrn profile image79
          teamrnposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          The fact remains, despite the hype, people died at the hands of murderers and barbarism not known since Atilla. Feed it or not, the terrorists are here when they didn't need to pose a threat to our National Security.

          Annie

          1. rhamson profile image76
            rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            And of course we are blameless and should be held harmless in all that we have done.

            1. teamrn profile image79
              teamrnposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Of course we bear a deal of the blame and  probably a good deal. But that doesn't mean we should sit idly by and watch our own innocents die, because we had some of the blame.

              Annie

              1. rhamson profile image76
                rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                What innocents do you speak of?

                1. teamrn profile image79
                  teamrnposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  I speak of innocents here, in UK, Canada, Libya. No one is really admitting that the Fort Hood massacre, the shootings at UV, the beheadded grandmother, the Boston Marathon killers, the embassy in Libya killings are Al Quaeda, lone goofbals or ISIS spin-offs or ISIS. But they are TERRORISTS.

                  BUT until we call them by whom/what they are, TERRORISTS, we have NO CHANCE of of diminishing their power to invoke fear into the fiber of people's being. It has been a tenant that is proven to be true ONCE IT WAS GIVEN A NAME-EVEN A LAME ONE to be a threat to our national security. Anything that threatens the American people=a threat to American National Security.

                  Annie

          2. GA Anderson profile image86
            GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Annie,

            What do you mean when you say it didn't need to be a threat to our national security?

            GA

            1. teamrn profile image79
              teamrnposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              What did I say was a not a threat to our national security. ANYTHING that poses a threat to nat security must be taken seriously and our people protected at al costs!.

              Did I say something that made pole think that I thought otherwise?

              1. GA Anderson profile image86
                GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Oops, I guess I misunderstood your point. What exactly is the national security threat you allude to?
                .
                GA

                1. teamrn profile image79
                  teamrnposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  What is the national security threat to which I refer? Have an hour? There's the threat of ISIS on American soil, on Canadian soil, there's the threat that if we don't strangle extremism and call it terrorism when it raises it's head here (for instances, the grandma who was beheaded). TERRORISM. Granny may have been a copycat killing but one look at Facebook pages tells you that there was a loose screw somewhere.

                  ANYTHING that threatens the safety of the American people and their security, threatens the national security of the US and must be dealt with as such by the people we elect to lead us. Sadly, it is not and ISIS is but one result.

                  Annie
                  Ps, this was originally a response to the thread discussion about NATIONAL SECURITY

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      retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

      ISIS is not Al Qaeda, ISIS has a long vision. It is intent on enlarging and consolidating its power and influence in the Muslim Middle East. Al Qaeda is regaining operational strength in the shadow of ISIS. In the mean time The Muslim Brotherhood may be out in Egypt but Libya is a basket case thanks to angry film critics. It isn't ISIS coming to America that should worry Americans. What should worry Americans, and the world, is that Obama has two more years to work even more magic.

      1. GA Anderson profile image86
        GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        OMG! Is there any threat to our interests that you won't blame on Obama?

        For instance; I supported Bush's Iraq war, but now believe I was wrong because our idealistic, (giving the benefit of the doubt), actions have facilitated what we see happening today.

        You know, that old canard about unintended consequences.

        Still, your documented insistence that everything is Obama's fault just cries out for some sort of real proof that the POTUS acts without any input from his advisers, or at least some proof that he has ignored all of his adviser's advice.

        Don't you think that, for a sense of the "Big Picture," some of the issues you disagree with were inherited issues, and not solely new initiatives by POTUS?

        Just sayin'

        GA

        1. teamrn profile image79
          teamrnposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          GA, I just read your response about "is there any threat to our interests that is not Obama's fault," I don't know to whom that was 'aimed,' but we're way past the point where playing the blame game does anything. We can learn from history; but the blame game, no matter who plays, does NOTHING (accomplishes) nothing! We don't have time or the luxury to play it and it is as useful as tits on a bull.

          For some reason, partisan politics raised it's ugly head in a discussion in which politics has no business being involved. What good could they ever accomplish in a matter like ISIS?

          Annie

          1. GA Anderson profile image86
            GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            Annie I am lost. On one hand I agree with you, but on the other, I could not disagree more. You are right, we need to get past the blame game and look for solutions instead. But, this conversation is all about politics, and those ardent Obama bashers are lost to the realities of what is.... in today's world.

            GA

            1. teamrn profile image79
              teamrnposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              I disagree with the policies of Obama and his administration most of the time, but I see that no earthly good can come from from disagreement or agreement with those policies here and casting the shadow of blame; especially during this discussion.

              This discussion should be one of thinking people about the problem that was raised in the question title, not a discussion of the political virtues or non-virtues that exist.

              Annie

      2. teamrn profile image79
        teamrnposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        That one concerns me,too. We must secure our borders (but no, we're told-sic-that they are. But the, that'll be securing ISIS in. But they're chameleons!

        Annie

    5. TwerkZerker profile image91
      TwerkZerkerposted 24 months ago in reply to this

      Religion is not "causing this". If it were that simple, all muslims everywhere would be behaving as ISIS is.

      The problem with ISIS is being caused by PEOPLE; more specifically, people who are choosing to use their religious texts as an excuse to murder, torture, and defile as they please. Most Muslims strongly disapprove of the actions and scriptural interpretations of these radicals.

      To shift the blame to religion itself is a cheap cop-out. It takes the blame away from the people who deserve it and places it on something nebulous. A killer can be religious, but its the gun or sword in his hand that does the killing, not his religion. Religion isn't holding a gun to his head, forcing him to kill. He is choosing to.

      Trying to pin the actions of ISIS on religion (regardless of however whacked its interpretation of Islam is) is like blaming a nasty car crash on "fate" or "bad luck" instead of the distracted driver who swerved into oncoming traffic.

      The track record through history is not that religion spontaneously creates wars. Rather, it's that people start wars and then use their religion as an excuse to justify it.

      Take the crusades for example: despite obvious religious differences, Europe didn't have a problem with the Ottomans...until select Ottoman groups decided to invade European countries and the Holy Land, massacre the citizens thereof, and force survivors to convert to Islam at the point of a sword. The invasion was the cause of hostilities, not Islam itself. Religion was merely the justifying excuse to actions that those people chose to take (and look how many died because them).

      Uff da! Sorry if that sounded "ranty"!

    6. Shinkicker profile image90
      Shinkickerposted 24 months ago in reply to this

      Poor defenceless USA, cowering in fear.

      Actually armed to the teeth with a massive worldwide Empire and attacking other countries.

      No wonder it incites hatred against Americans.

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        retief2000posted 24 months ago in reply to this

        Given the obvious stature of your intellect, I suggest you change your name to shinpuncher.

    7. oceansnsunsets profile image90
      oceansnsunsetsposted 23 months ago in reply to this

      I agree with what you have said. (Except for this comment in there, " Religion has caused more wars and conflicts than anything else on earth."  I am not sure why people say that when they do.) 

      I think education is key also, learning more about them and their beliefs.

    8. G Miah profile image84
      G Miahposted 23 months ago in reply to this

      America will not kill off ISIS as the group is created by USA like Al Qaeda. It will not help the USA with the third world war they are planning. The Middle East is the one and only agenda on the USA's mind at the moment.

      USA are running out of resources fast and need to keep the turmoil in the Middle East ongoing by supplying terrorist groups with weapons so that they can get at Iran and other surrounding Muslim countries in the name of 'democracy' when USA doesn't even have it in their country!

      Policing the world while USA goes to the sewers.

      USA and most of the European countries are run and governed by Israel which is the New World Order plan by Zionists. Look at the all the powers at the top of the financial chain. They are all Jews (Zionists). The world is getting worse and nothing will stop it from getting worse. They also have managed to get all the terrorist activity blamed on Muslims. False Flags all round.

      1. Writer Fox profile image81
        Writer Foxposted 23 months ago in reply to this

        This statement is completely bogus.  You obviously missed this forum post:
        http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/43097?p … ost2697414

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        retief2000posted 23 months ago in reply to this

        The US is hardly running out of resources, a tiny bit of reading would confirm that.

  2. Sed-me profile image81
    Sed-meposted 2 years ago

    Yes I do. Which is one of the reasons I started a thread asking that those who pray... pray. Isis is being funded a million dollars a day in black market oil dealings. They have made 20 million dollars this year alone from kidnapping ransoms. They have up to 50,000 soldiers. They are like Ebola... seems a bit scary til it hits your soil, then it's terrifying. We need a great and mighty God on our side. If we are not praying now... we surely will be soon enough.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/1 … 59239.html

    1. GA Anderson profile image86
      GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Beth, I respect your religious beliefs, so I will put aside that part of your comment, and just say. Yes! I agree. We need to confront ISIS now, while we can do it on their soil and not our own.

      OK, I failed. Aren't they following their God too? Is your edit edit edit edit edit...... (picture me forcefully withdrawing my hands from the keyboard)

      GA

      1. Sed-me profile image81
        Sed-meposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Interestingly enough... The Shinar ppl, after the great flood, were the ppl of Babel. God told them to scatter, but they didn't. They stayed and built a fortified city and then began building the tower of Babel... a great affront to my God as they were going to use it to worship heavenly bodies... idols.

        There is one poster especially, on the religious forum who continuously asks how a loving God could wipe out a ppl. He did it with the flood when Gen 6:5 says, "The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time."

        God did it again with Sodom and Gomorrah.

        Now... while some may wonder how a loving God could take this action... I see a God who knows the past, present and future. He knows the depravity, the evil in men's hearts and he knows how far they will go. Isis must be destroyed or at the very least... scattered. God knows what He's doing. We are just silly little ants, throwing our opinions around, but we are loved little ants nonetheless.

        The land of Babel that I spoke of is modern day Iraq.  And yes. They most certainly do have their own god(s), but they do not yet know my God. They will.

        1. GA Anderson profile image86
          GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Ok Beth, give it up. This is not a religious forum thread - it is about the dangers of ISIS. I do not believe as you do, and am not qualified to respond to religious-based rationalizations.

          But I still luv ya, so moving right along...

          GA

          1. Sed-me profile image81
            Sed-meposted 2 years ago in reply to this

            You have missed the point GA.
            While we all want to talk about Isis... or any topic; we discuss it in our own frames, but we are still discussing the same picture.

            Just b/c I see God in this picture and you do not, does not mean I cannot speak freely. I was not trying to make this a "religious post". You simply saw the word "God" and reacted. If a woman responded to this and said, "I hate Isis, b/c of how they mistreat women." Then that is the perspective from which she's viewing the topic... as a woman.

            If a soldier viewed it and said, "Nuke em all!" That would be his perspective, b/c he is a trained fighter.

            I am a Christian. My response is to pray... it's ok for me to say that. Don't be afraid... don't let anger or fear be your first reaction to a post made by someone of faith... that is simply the perspective with which they are viewing the topic.

            1. GA Anderson profile image86
              GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Beth, you have carried this to a place never intended. I think my answer to this would be the same as the one above to your other response.

              I did not criticize your belief, or your answer to the question posed. I simply replied that I thought the ISIS OP was not a religious forum question.

              I must admit that your two responses to my comments have caused me to pause and reconsider my perspective. I did not intend, (nor do I think I did), criticize your belief, or the religious context of your responses. My view of my responses is that I pointed to the fact that the question of ISIS as a threat to our homeland is a real threat that is not conditioned by any religious belief.

              I am sorry that you misinterpreted my comments.  I think your interpretation of my comments was wrong, but the fact that you made them means I was less than clear. My apologies.

              GA

              1. Sed-me profile image81
                Sed-meposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                We're totally good GA. And I do believe that you are usually quite respectful to ppl of faith. I think we are all on the same page and as you said... moving on. smile

                1. GA Anderson profile image86
                  GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  Ok then, one last question. Judging by your immediate responses, I am inclined to assume you are either in the Eastern Time zone, or are a "night owl," because I usually don't start my forum participation until  9 or 10pm my time. which is also "Martini Time!" (after the rest of the house has gone to bed)

                  Thanks for for your participation in these forums.

                  GA

                  1. Sed-me profile image81
                    Sed-meposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    I am central time and I s'pose I am a night owl. Cheers! wink

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        retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        Consider the founders of Islam, Buddhism and Christianity. Which one was a bloody handed conqueror who taught his murdering, brutal followers to to lie to, subjugate, convert and kill any who did not accept the power of the true faith. Here is a hint - he neither meditated beneath nor was nailed to a tree.

        1. GA Anderson profile image86
          GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          You have heard of the Crusades haven't you?

          It pains me to have to agree with the essence of your responses when your rhetoric is so obviously biased.

          If one ignores the obvious bias, (vitriol), of your comments there is much to discuss, but it is your blind adherence to "talking points" rhetoric that diminishes your credibility.

          Just sayin'

          GA

    2. KFlippin profile image60
      KFlippinposted 24 months ago in reply to this

      Actually controlling our land borders would be such a grand effort . . . so simple, yet so rejected.  Why is that?

  3. crazyhorsesghost profile image85
    crazyhorsesghostposted 2 years ago

    Great comment GA. People trying to push their religious beliefs on others is one of the main reasons we have the problems we have in the middle east. It is why the Native American people were destroyed. Christians and Muslims both think they are right. As long as religion is in the picture we will never have peace.

    Did you ever see the movie about the alien Paul. I wish this would happen to everyone in the world that thinks their religion is the right one. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we suddenly learned that all religions were wrong. And it was proved to them. It would be a wonderful world then.

    1. Sed-me profile image81
      Sed-meposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      My very good friends are Native Americans and love God with all their hearts.
      Native Americans were horribly mistreated by the Catholic church. African Americans have been horribly mistreated by whites (and other groups)... women and children have been horribly mistreated by men. But not all those who call themselves Believers are bad. Not all whites are bad, and not all men are bad. Do not lump us all together please. And please do not say that I should not be allowed to share my voice on a topic that matters a great deal to me, just b/c you do not have the same perspective. It is ok to disagree respectfully.

      1. GA Anderson profile image86
        GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        I address this point of your comment, the rest is beside the point...
        "...And please do not say that I should not be allowed to share my voice on a topic that matters a great deal to me, just b/c you do not have the same perspective. It is ok to disagree respectfully...."

        Ok, we need to take a step back and look again. I did not intend to silence you or set parameters on your right to state your beliefs. And I thought I was being very respectful of your beliefs.

        I thought I was clear on that but apparently I wasn't. I did not intend to imply any believers are bad, or wrong, (OK, yes, I do believe ISIS believers are wrong),  or that you should not reply based on your beliefs.

        My intention was to state that I could only address the issue in non-religious context because my beliefs are not the same as yours. ISIS is a real threat to the citizens of the United States regardless of religious beliefs.

        GA

        1. Sed-me profile image81
          Sed-meposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Absolutely!

      2. crazyhorsesghost profile image85
        crazyhorsesghostposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        You have every right to share your thoughts. I believe very much in the Great Spirit. Everyone has the right to say what they think. I just think that religion has caused a lot of the world's problems. Can you imagine a world like ours if it was proved there was no God at all. That is all I was saying.

        1. Sed-me profile image81
          Sed-meposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          I understand your point of view. Thank you for allowing me to share mine as well.

    2. GA Anderson profile image86
      GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      But what if we "suddenly" learned that all atheist beliefs were wrong and there really is a deity, (deities)?

      I am not sure. And you cannot prove to me that you have reason to be sure.

      GA

  4. Kathleen Cochran profile image85
    Kathleen Cochranposted 2 years ago

    Nothing would surprise me at this point. 

    I'm sure you don't mean to be disrespectful of the lives that have been taken.  But I wish no one would ever post, produce or broadcast a picture like this one ever again.  In my mind it is aiding and abetting our enemy.

  5. handymanbill profile image61
    handymanbillposted 2 years ago

    It will not surprise me at all to see an attack happen over here. It is just a matter of when. They do not understand that when ISIS does something like that is just fuels the fire of the U.S. people and other people wanting to go after them.

  6. maxoxam41 profile image78
    maxoxam41posted 2 years ago

    ISIS won't attack us but our government will.

    1. crazyhorsesghost profile image85
      crazyhorsesghostposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Ok I'll bite. Is it our government cutting the heads off the people ISIS is beheading and showing videos of.

    2. Sed-me profile image81
      Sed-meposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Guess they're just focusing on Canada.

    3. teamrn profile image79
      teamrnposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      ISIS is attacking us; they're taking shots and deeper shots and then when the time is right, a full-blown attack will be launched. They despise our way of living and because of that, they despise us. They would rather die in the name of THEIR faith than see Christians, Jews, Hindis and all other largely loving/peaceful religions succeed.

  7. wmhoward4 profile image78
    wmhoward4posted 2 years ago

    ISIS will attack the US and Obama will deny they are terrorists and deny the are Islamists as he has done in the past.

    He will also blame others for his failure to stop them.

    1. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Oh yes the Obama Boogeyman has struck again. He must be the reason why they attack us. He is the closet Muslim that is enhancing their efforts to kill or convert all the Christian infidels in this country. Get a grip man and look for a solution instead of blame. I will agree with you that blame is considerably less fatiguing and accountable.

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        retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        And once that Muslim extremist in America decapitates someone or shoots up an Army Base we can label it work place violence. Obama couldn't bring himself to call the attack in Ottawa, Terrorism. Perhaps you should try to hand out Bibles in Grand Rapids, Michigan before you talk about Islam in America.

        Given the recent attacks in Oklahoma, Ottawa and New York City it sounds so silly to object to talking about Muslim terror in the US. Obama chokes on the word terrorism, too often. The solution is a modernization of Islam that is vigorously resisted by many Muslims. A modernization that good liberals refuse to talk about. Obama is full of blame and hate for his political opponents here, probably because they are preventing him from getting a pony. Obama isn't so hateful toward the murderous and violent "religion of peace."

        1. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Oh yes the liberals did it! They want the Muslim terrorists to take over! They contribute to their temples so there can be beheadings in the shopping malls!. Your arguments go the same way no matter the content. Obama the boogeyman and the liberals drive you nuts. Just wait till Hillary gets in. Oh wait it will still be the same conversation with nothing new to add.

        2. GA Anderson profile image86
          GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          This reminds me of a repeated theme in General Norman Schwarzkopf's book about the first Iraqi war.

          Throughout the book the point that the Arab coalition nations would not accept being seen as attacking a brother Arab was obvious.

          Even regarding Saddam's occupying forces in Kuwait. Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations agreed to fight with Coalition forces to expel Saddam's forces from Kuwait, but they drew the line at advancing into Iraq's borders - thus attacking an  Arab brother. Syria and Egypt both contributed forces to expel Iraq from Kuwait, and celebrated their victories, but both halted their forces at the Iraqi border. They refused to enter Iraqi territory.

          It is a very deeply ingrained Arab cultural thing - all Arabs are brothers. You may not like your brothers actions, but you won't disown or attack them beyond defending your own interests.

          That is a cultural conundrum the U.S. fails to recognize.

          GA

        3. wmhoward4 profile image78
          wmhoward4posted 2 years ago in reply to this

          Everything you said is true. rtief2000 Shame how many people refuse to see what is happening. These are the same kind of people who said don't worry about the Nazi's because they are lead by a funny little man who wears his moustach like Charlie Chaplain. They refused to take his speeches and writings very seriously.

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        retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

        You mean Mrs."Iraqi Film Critics Killed My Ambassador" or Mrs. "Corporations Don't Create Jobs" 

        Either way she is a clown, a fool, an idiot and a monster.

        and you will likely vote for her

        When there is a fool in the White House and things go horribly wrong not blame can accrue to the powerful elected official in America who says "I have a phone and a pen." It is no surprise to those who would never vote for Obama - the least qualified man in any room - or Hillary that they continue to prove themselves unfit for any office, because they are clowns, fools, idiots and monsters.

        The best way to not repeat a disaster is to acknowledge that disaster and identify ALL of its root causes. The lion's share of that acknowledgement belongs to the Executive "Orderer" in Chief.

        1. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          My vote depends upon the candidate and not the ideology nor party. If the GOP wants my vote this round they had better come up with something better than that nimrod McCain or another corporate sellout such as Romney. By the way I voted for George Bush twice because Gore was an idiot and Kerry a flat out liar. If the GOP wants to win they better come up with someone better than Billary or else much of the country will go the same way. You seem to forget about the Independents that usually decide the vote. If you forgot they are the ones in the middle because the other two are in the extreme.

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            retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

            You may pretend it is about the candidate and not his ideology, yet look at the results of your vote. Obama has been an unqualified disaster for everyone but the wealthiest Americans.

            http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorial … -class.htm
            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/1 … 19008.html

            Yet you still think Romney was the corporate shill, as Obama continues reward his allies in the corporate world regardless of how many jobs they take to China - ie GE.

            http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 … alism.html
            http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama- … or-action/

            You are completely wrong about the independents,

            http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2 … ent-really
            http://cookpolitical.com/story/6608
            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fac … _blog.html
            Romney won independents.

            http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-ro … on-2012-11
            http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ … oters.html

            The independent vote only matters when one cannot win his own base.

            Romney did nothing solid to lock up his base and lost conservative Republican voters.

            http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/ … _stay_home
            http://www.ldjackson.net/why-voting-not … ervatives/

            3 million fewer Republicans voted for Romney than McCain.

            Most independents are more conservative than wishy washy, know it all,  middle of the road wimps.

            http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/01/21/2 … .html?rh=1
            http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com … ative.html
            http://www.iwf.org/blog/2431366/Indepen … nservative

            1. rhamson profile image76
              rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

              Soundings from a loser warms the cockles of my heart. Your meanderings about the outcome is only proof your ideology and insights are just as wrong today as they were then. Good luck running that tired old played BS in two years because you will still be crying then as you do today. Hillary will take you by storm as you cry about it. Unfortunately you will not be the only loser as your ridiculous musings will yield the same results, not addressing the issues and crying about your loss again.

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                retief2000posted 2 years ago in reply to this

                Where is Hillary in any of this posting? You are the one who touts the independent myth as if it were gospel truth. Apparently you are incapable of following along with an argument.

                So let me type this slowly so you can understand.

                Independents are becoming more conservative and breaking more toward Republican positions on the most pressing issues - economics and national defense. The Democrats prove, everyday, their inability to effectively address either of those issues.

                Your beloved Hillary is a sham hiding in her husband's shadow. Her incompetence as Secretary of State precipitated the resurgence of an aggressive Russia, the foolish identification of "The Arab Spring" as a democracy movement and all the lies about  the brutal murder of an American Ambassador.

                She has no good history on which to run, so she will run on her ovaries as the primary qualification for the most powerful chief executive in the world. She is shrill, angry and not that bright. It is quite unlikely she will win the nomination and she will not be the next President.

                She lacks all of the detachment Obama has shown, so she can never be mistaken as cool. Though she has the ruthless dedication of the dying old media, it is the new media where the battle for the majority of voters will be fought. Liberal cable news is about to die as a revolution in communication is in full swing. CNN and MSNBC can no longer rely on corralled cable subscriptions for their capital injections.

                Delude yourself with your own silly notions of the past you like to dredge up, then deny the  same, "Romney is a corporate shill," indeed. You are stuck in a faulty loop that is gobbling up your world and you cannot even see it.

                1. rhamson profile image76
                  rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  You are just becoming comical at this point. You have too many prejudices to be taken seriously. Labeling positions seems to be a game for you. The problem with that is you respond to stereotypes and not dialog. I must say you are a lot of fun responding to the distortions you relay without much thought required on your part. You are a legend in your own mind.

                2. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 24 months ago in reply to this

                  I love it when you type slowly.
                  I wish you would write a book.

              2. teamrn profile image79
                teamrnposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                rhamson, Why so much fuss over retire2000 political ideology.? What does political ideology have to do with the price of tea in China, with this discussion about whether or not ISIS is going to come to the US?  Sure, we have learned from the past ideologies what has worked, when and why and in what kind of climate,  and policies. But what does political ideology have to do with ISIS being anywhere, other than the political policies and ideologies over the years that allowed them to come to be?

                As far as those political policies and ideologies, all we can do is learn from that history and hope not to repeat the mistakes of the past. We still need to see ISIS as what it is, a CURRENT threat to the national security of this country and other countries. We need to figure out what to do about the threat. I say 'we' because our leaders aren't.  I for one do not want to spend the rest of my life looking over my shoulder on the way to the market, gym or dentist.

                1. rhamson profile image76
                  rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                  The political solution has to come from them. They are the ones who must decide if they wish to live in terror and fear or confront and vanquish those that continue in it. As far as us feeling secure here how do you suggest it can happen. Somehow you think we can fight a guerilla war with our big clumsy methods on conventional warfare. They will merely hunker down and wait to come out when the time is ripe. That is the only security you can accept trying to fight somebody else's war. As far as retief, he is just a lot of fun.

                  1. teamrn profile image79
                    teamrnposted 2 years ago in reply to this

                    Political schmitical! Yes, that war is THEIRS to win, lose or decide what to do with. It can involve their politics or not. But my point all along has been that when it begins to involve the US and US citizens as it has, we ARE involved, too; like it or not. As much as possible, we should ignore THEIR politics, but that isn't always possible. But when it comes to our involvement, the less political WE ARE, the more likely we are to prevail. "United we stand; Divided we fall..."

                    The ISIS crisis is something that we CANNOT thumb our noses at and ignore; we do that at our own peril.

                    Teamrn

      3. teamrn profile image79
        teamrnposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        The Obama boogeyman has blamed everything that has happens in his admin that has not gone the way he throughout it should-one someone else. WHAT makes you thin that things will be different?

        Teanro

        1. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

          I don't know. Maybe a functioning government to go with it. It takes some cooperation to get things done but we will re-elect another bunch of criminals to help finish off the next two years. Instead of blaming the Obama boogeyman for everything maybe the electorate could get their heads out of their butts and vote in some people who are there for our best interest.

    2. GA Anderson profile image86
      GA Andersonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      And that is a prophesy that is entirely your opinion.

      Other than disagreeing with Pres. Obama's actions as president, and your apparent dissatisfaction with his performance in office, do you have any facts to back such declarative statements as these?

      GA

  8. nischaynamdev profile image60
    nischaynamdevposted 2 years ago

    ISIS  is like taliban....

    1. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 2 years ago in reply to this

      Only armed with our weapons.

      1. nischaynamdev profile image60
        nischaynamdevposted 2 years ago in reply to this

        yes

  9. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 24 months ago

    We are better than them. We won't power down to their techniques. If we can be friends, we will all live happily after after.

                                                              N O T

    "I think every member of ISIS should be hunted down and brought to justice. They are beheading people that are not agents of the governments in the countries they come from. They should be brought to justice and any country supporting ISIS should be dealt with and made to turn over any ISIS members. I fear if the US does not stand firmly that we will have many more 9-11's in our future."

    This is an excellently appropriate viewpoint.

    So, why has war ship-building production ceased in this country? Would Obama veto a bill concerning the rebuilding of our military?

  10. Superkev profile image85
    Superkevposted 24 months ago

    I do and always have believed they would try at the very least. As I type this there is a hostage situation going on in Sydney, Australia which is by all appearances an ISIS attack. 13 people are being held hostage and two young girls were made to hold the ISIS banner in the front window of the shop by the suspects.

    Thank God the Aussie's have very capable police tactical teams. 

    And relief2000 just as an aside, the French Foreign Legion also has a permanent presence in Djibouti as well as several other African nations like Liberia, Sierra Leon and Congo I believe. I know they have militarily intervened many times in Chad and elsewhere in Africa too.

    1. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 24 months ago in reply to this

      But none of them are on the scale that we carried out in Iraq and still do in Afghanistan. The war machine is what fuels this and the GOP is chomping at the bit to ramp it back up as soon as they can. This country has been in a steady state of war since WWII. Korea soon followed then Viet Nam then Sudan then Lebanon then Bosnia-Herzegovina among all the little skirmishes such as Granada leading up to Kuwait and then onto Afghanistan and Iraq. Now we are also involved in Syria let alone all the air strikes in places such as Libya and the list goes on.

      The point is that we have a humungous military with a huge budget let alone the stuff (wars) that are not even in the budget. We keep escalating everything and then sit back and point our fingers at the other side saying how wrong they are and how right we are. This is about money whether it is selling oil to China or exporting it for Canada. War is our vehicle to make things happen where we can't buy or place the government.

      Yeah we have a real problem with them exporting and exploiting terror but we just feed into it with our handlers knowing there is incredible money in it.

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        retief2000posted 24 months ago in reply to this

        If I believed as you do I would get out of the evil country I was in. Is Canada evil? How about Belize? How about Turks and Caicos? I could never live in a country so terrible, vicious, oppressive and evil. I am glad you have no problem with hypocrisy.

      2. wmhoward4 profile image78
        wmhoward4posted 24 months ago in reply to this

        rhamson......Jesus WILL come and send all you demons back to the burning city of eternal damnation. YOUR hatred is what will get you there.

        1. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 24 months ago in reply to this

          It is so comforting nutcases like you know God's mind. I have a deal with God that I won't pick on his wayward sheep so good luck.

  11. ahorseback profile image46
    ahorsebackposted 24 months ago

    ISIS will attack America ,it has more a chance of doing so than Al Quada  did , and you didn't think  they would did you ?!   Black market oil will guarantee that . They are already  richer in dollars than most nations are .  So they don't have the need of flying here , high jacking airliners and flying into the pentagon . They will buy  their own airliners . !

    1. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 24 months ago in reply to this

      I don't doubt that you are correct in assuming we will have some domestic repercussions whether local generated or imported. The question we should ask is how did we get here, why it continues and what can we do to change it?

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        retief2000posted 24 months ago in reply to this

        Because -  "There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his messenger."

        1. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 24 months ago in reply to this

          Typical of you to avoid the charge with defaming others.

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            retief2000posted 23 months ago in reply to this

            Wherever there is a Muslim majority in a country, the non-Muslim minority is second class, at best or set up, murdered, burned out or exterminate, at worst. East Timor exists because of Islam. Cyprus is a divided island for a reason. The last church in Afghanistan was burned years ago. The ancient Christian communities are fleeing to Kurdistan for a reason. The Christians of Bethlehem are moving into Israel for a reason. The Copts of Egypt have been murdered and their churches burned by Muslims. Try handing out Christian pamphlets on the streets of Dearborn, Michigan.

            Try familiarizing yourself with history that extends beyond leftist propaganda.

            1. KFlippin profile image60
              KFlippinposted 23 months ago in reply to this

              Merry Christmas . . . . to all.

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              Deborah Sextonposted 23 months ago in reply to this

              ____________________________________
              I agree with you. I heard someone who is Muslim ask, why everyone thinks Muslims are Terrorist.
              Well, because anytime you hear of any Terrorist, they are Muslim, and there is no one else. What can you think?
              People defending the Terrorist needs to leave America. After all those defending them are the first ones to say disparaging things about America
              It is because you are correct, the reason twits attack you

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                retief2000posted 23 months ago in reply to this

                If a man has no enemies it only means he has taken no stand.

  12. ahorseback profile image46
    ahorsebackposted 24 months ago

    My friend ,    if you look at history, one thing that sticks out like a sore thumb is that  militant Islam has always  severed the heads of the children and  raped  the women in their own neighborhoods  , they have always used the tool of  terrorism and  they have always blamed  Christianity for the ill's of the world !    Will they strike America , probably !  Orgaizations like that  just loves to hate the big kind , sometimes dumb  boy in the neighborhood [ America ], especially when  the big boy has a vibrant economy ,  a strong peaceful military presence , and a media that bows down to the aggressors like  ISIS, ISIL or whatever the latest name for pure  evil , animalistic 'freedom fighter" , is today .

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 24 months ago in reply to this

      Or when the dumb big boy in the neighborhood has more than they can dream of having with their outdated way of life.  Or when he has freedom - a freedom that ISIS subjects can only want but never have under the the terrorists.

    2. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 24 months ago in reply to this

      My friend if you think that the Islamic militants are practicing religion you are sadly mistaken. As with our politicians who use whatever means (religion) at their disposal these criminals (terrorists) are about the same deception. They just take it to the extreme. They are about the brutality to flex their power. Our politicians are about the greed and how money does their muscle. Yes we are surely going to feel the militants Rath over here.

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 24 months ago in reply to this

        Could not agree more - the militants are about growing their power and not about religion. 

        True, they use religion - as a facade to entice the yokels to put on a bomb filled vest - but within the upper echelon it's all about power and control.

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          retief2000posted 24 months ago in reply to this

          This argument implies a difference between religion and state, in Islam there is no difference. This separation is peculiar to far more modern notions of government and religion than the 7th century barbarity that is Islam.

          1. rhamson profile image76
            rhamsonposted 24 months ago in reply to this

            ....This argument implies a difference between religion and state....

            This argument is also directed at those less "enlightened" than the extremist doctrine.

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        retief2000posted 24 months ago in reply to this

        You do know that the Saudis beheads criminals, 83 this year. It is in keeping with their religious beliefs, regardless of how that might trouble your little head.

        1. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 24 months ago in reply to this

          I wouldn't want to trouble your closed mind to the fact that they are a sovereign state with their own freedoms and beliefs. Besides their government has not aggressively attacked us nor do we have the right to enforce our principles on their culture. With ours being a "gleaming" example of freedom how can we judge others. We put innocent people to death and incarcerate more than any other in the world let alone the billions that are poured into enforcing it. We spend more on "defense" than all the other worlds governments combined with the CIA torturing and moving captives around the world to avoid our own documents of "freedom".

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            retief2000posted 24 months ago in reply to this

            Yes, 7th century beliefs.

            What CIA torture? You mean the rough treatment that our own troops endure as part of special forces preparation? You mean the rough treatment that Khalid Sheikh Muhammad was subjected to? He is hale, healthy, strong, alive and enjoying his comfortable digs at Obama's Git-Mo, hardly the typical outcome of "torture."

            The tortured part is the twisted ethics and mental gymnastics that the American left uses to turn America into the villain. Saudi Arabia is a kingdom with a nobility, many Saudi princess have financed terrorist operations - contributing to Bin Laden, Hamas, etc. Enjoy your limber thoughts.

            1. rhamson profile image76
              rhamsonposted 24 months ago in reply to this

              It warms my heart that distortion is a part of your dillusions. Your Bin Laden reference was anticipated and laughably and predictable. Dream on with your acid tongued ridicule and insanity it represents. In case you don't get it Bin Laden is the new Hitler where all arguments die.

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                retief2000posted 24 months ago in reply to this

                http://moroccantimes.com/2014/11/911-te … t-lessons/

                http://syria360.wordpress.com/2013/09/1 … errorists/

                http://fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/RL32499.pdf

                I would have far less contempt for lefties if they bothered with a little less hatred for America, stopped embracing ignorance and didn't argue by contradiction, alone. Bin Laden was a real, living, contemporary person who engineered the slaughter of thousands of Americans with the financial assistance and operational support of his fellow Suadis - including members of the Royal Family who are the government of Saudi Arabia - it is a monarchy.

                1. rhamson profile image76
                  rhamsonposted 24 months ago in reply to this

                  I really think you should find one and go argue your spew with them. You seem to have a penchant to be more attuned to finding those you hate and going off on them with your fiction. Good luck. I must admit your links are amusing.

  13. teamrn profile image79
    teamrnposted 24 months ago

    That's their intent, their goal and they'll stop at nothing at achieving their goal. They're already hear, Americans are 'joining their ranks (for reasons I could never understand0. The poor misguided souls who will do the bidding of ISIS and then be tossed out by ISIS. I think only the higher ups in this 'organization' (use this loosely) reap any rewards there might be to gain. Annie

    1. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 24 months ago in reply to this

      While I don't condone terrorism or violence as a means to evoke change I can see where many are disenchanted with the American Dream. I believe a poll suggested that it is close to 35% who have admitted that the American Dream is not possible. This was across many different socioeconomic levels.

      1. KFlippin profile image60
        KFlippinposted 24 months ago in reply to this

        What?  Just what?  Would that have to do with ISIS/ISIL militants, with Muslim terrorists of any group?  Disgruntlement with the notion of the 'American Dream' is all about the economy and lack of growth in legit Americans on their own.  The vast majority of Americans are NOW on the welfare dole!!!!!!!!!  What do you think they would say in a poll?  Do you think they even know what the American Dream was or is or could be?

        1. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 24 months ago in reply to this

          .....The vast majority of Americans are NOW on the welfare dole!!!!!!!!!.....

          Can you come up with some data to substantiate this claim.

          1. teamrn profile image79
            teamrnposted 24 months ago in reply to this

            "If you use those who are supported by Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF)--best described as a federal largess to indigent families with dependent children--as stated by the Dept. of Health the data suggests 1.7% of the total population that derive over 50% of their income from Welfare supports."

            "The number stated that receive any portion of their support from from welfare assistance--including food stamps--it is 29,900,000 or roughly 8% of the total population in the United States"

            This breaks down to:
            * 39% white 11,661,000 of 29,900,000 recipients
            *38% black 11,362,000 of 29,900,000
            *17% Hispanic 5,083,000 of 29,900,000

            "The strictest sense of the term though would be those getting income directly from the U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services which is about 8% of the total population that receives some form of assistance and 1.7% that receive most of their income (50% or more) from these programs."

            "Programs like unemployment insurance or social security payments can technically be counted as "welfare" in some instances though they are differentiated from federal programs like TANF or food stamps."
            http://www.answers.com/Q/What_percentag … on_welfare

            1. rhamson profile image76
              rhamsonposted 24 months ago in reply to this

              If you add it all up maybe 8.7% on the government dole? That doesn't sound like a whole lot based on most receiving 50% from the government. When you consider there are approximately 6% on unemployment with maybe another 5% who have given up on a job it is very little especially when compared to other countries. What you should be more concerned with is the waste and sweetheart deals that Congress spends billions and billions on. I agree it is far easier to pick on the poor as they can't relate to your summation of their plight.

              1. teamrn profile image79
                teamrnposted 24 months ago in reply to this

                I;m not picking on the poor and downtrodden.I am one of them. I am stating facts that nearly 50% of Americans receive government assistance-right or wrong. I can see how, if I didn't know that it was this powerful, that being on the 'receiving end' can induce entitlement culture.

                "I agree it is far easier to pick on the poor as they can't relate to your summation of their plight." Where in the heck did that come from? Last I could tell, you weren't me. Besides being untrue  (I'm one of the poor recipients of government assistance and I summarize my plight, have an insight into my plight all day, every day and see the world through glasses that summarize the plight of the poor quite well.

                I disagree with the statement about what I SHOULD be more concerned with. I'll be concerned with whatever I darn well please, and I and millions of Americans feel that the economy and jobs are trump what we should concern ourselves with.

                1. rhamson profile image76
                  rhamsonposted 24 months ago in reply to this

                  Either you are confused or have not been clear in your summation is it:

                  ....1.7% of the total population that derive over 50% of their income from Welfare....

                  As in your earlier statement or is it:

                  ....stating facts that nearly 50% of Americans receive government assistance....

                  In your answer to my response. The two are totally different.

                  1. rhamson profile image76
                    rhamsonposted 23 months ago in reply to this

                    Go back and read the series of responses and get back with me. They are totally at odds with each other. I had someone else read the responses and they walked away with the same take.

              2. teamrn profile image79
                teamrnposted 24 months ago in reply to this

                The question WASN'T what percentage of the national debt.. thflect the nation workin unemployment was. Instead from my centrist

          2. KFlippin profile image60
            KFlippinposted 23 months ago in reply to this

            ? Stats that even the liberal networks report.  A fact.  There has never ever been so many on the dole.

            1. rhamson profile image76
              rhamsonposted 23 months ago in reply to this

              Stats that the former poster could not prove! You should get away from the emotion of the issues and investigate the truth. By doing so you may find common ground and solutions rather than derision through animosity.

              1. teamrn profile image79
                teamrnposted 23 months ago in reply to this

                Is this what you're looking for? https://www.americanprogress.org/issues … -benefits/
                Search hard enough and you can find anything to support your thinking. However the facts bare out that more people participate in entitlements that ever before according to the OMB figures: figure #3 (OMB)

                However, that said, we've gone severely off track; this post was about ISIS being in America or COMING to America. We should talk about them

                1. rhamson profile image76
                  rhamsonposted 23 months ago in reply to this

                  I see much to agree with your link but the percentage of the poor or so called poor take up a very little amount of the budget when you consider the enormity of the general budget. The raiding of the SS and Medicaid funds in the general fund has caused the dip in our available assets in the future. The military budget and waste associated with its spending is also criminal.

                  As far as ISIS we will be attacked here eventually and some attacks will be small and others severe. We refuse to deal with the situation from a objective viewpoint. We take each attack as they did this to us so we must retaliate worse on them to make them stop. Whether it is us, Israel, Egypt or anyone else it is all retaliatory and just continues through the ages. Until we can reach a saturation point and have some sort of change of heart to be conciliatory instead of controlling, there will be no change. We have raised three or four generations of Palestinians under this catastrophe. They know of nothing different.

                  1. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 23 months ago in reply to this

                    You really think conciliation is the answer to stopping attacks from a group whose stated goal is to wipe us from the face of the earth?

                  2. teamrn profile image79
                    teamrnposted 22 months ago in reply to this

                    RHamson, "...As far as ISIS we will be attacked here eventually" I can't believe I let that get buy! That complacency is what is causing our downfall as a nation That's apathy, basically saying, I;m rolling over and playing dead with my head in the sand! Let's play ostrich.

                    Do you really want to live your life looking over the other shoulder and being afraid to go to the store or mow your lawn or take out the garbage for fear of ISIS coming after you or yours?

                    We have no choice but to get them before they get us, because they prey on that kind of apathy and attitude.

                    "We refuse to deal with the situation from a objective viewpoint. " What are we going about it?? If we insist on electing leaders who WON'T mount that objective response, who see more value in getting reelected than the good they can do in DC for 2-4 years we get what we deserve-. Being a peace-nik is admirable at times: but THIS AIN'T ONE OF THEM. I think I'd be ashamed of the 'if you can't be 'em, join 'rm sttitufe' This is the time to do something about it, take a stand, not be weak like our POTUS is..

  14. teamrn profile image79
    teamrnposted 24 months ago

    I feel the American dream is possible, there are a lot of things right now that pose a barrier, but with hard work, it IS possible. In other countries, that kind of dream isn't always possible, so if those disenchanted are leaving because they see a better life elsewhere, I wish them luck. The grass isn't always greener.

    Do they actually think that life with ISIS will be their dream? Common sense will tell you that this 'gang' doesn't have dreams like that on it's mind. They may dream of 100 virgins and unfortunately, these people who take up with ISIS may be cast in that role.

    If people are feeling that the American dream is not possible and feel that the only way to make it possible is to move to another country and join up with a fringe group like ISIS, they'll be sorely mistaken.
    When they're adults, they can do ANYTHING they want. Until then, they're children, whose parents have seemingly abdicated their responsibility. Being a parent is a 24/72/COMMITMENT for life.

    Annie

  15. Coolpapa profile image88
    Coolpapaposted 24 months ago

    To think that there is sent way we can seal our land borders against people tat are wiling to die, you are very mislead. The coastral areas from Florida to
    Louisiana cannot be fenced, and the southwestern borders would have to be patrolled.  If ISIS wants to come to the US it will be on a commercial airline with a legitimate passport just like happens every day!

    1. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 24 months ago in reply to this

      ..or on a container ship right into New York Harbor....  Globalization has its' drawbacks.

  16. Writer Fox profile image81
    Writer Foxposted 23 months ago

    "Overnight U.S.-led coalition warplanes are said to have carried out more than a dozen bomb attacks around Raqqa, the northern Syrian city adopted as the de facto headquarters of Isis.  But as America and its allies bear down on the jihadists, photoshopped pictures circulating online show the chilling truth of what Isis hopes to achieve.

    "In one image, terrorist fighters overrun the Capitol building in Washington, and fly an extremist banner from the top in a scene that echoes the fictional attack on the US embassy in Islamabad by the Taliban, in the series Homeland."

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … State.html
    http://s2.hubimg.com/u/12096637.jpg

    More than 76,000 people were killed in Syria last year.

    According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), over 3 million Syrian refugees have fled to Syria's immediate neighbors Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq and more than 6.5 million are internally displaced within Syria.

  17. Taylor Qualman profile image61
    Taylor Qualmanposted 23 months ago

    most muslims are peaceful. its the extremists that cause problems. But hasnt there always been problems between religions? Doesnt every religion have extremists? Catholics, muslims, watever...they all have their own form of extremists.
    The main reason for war is to make profit. We all know this. Some of us don't want to admit it cuz we would rather somehow thing that murdering each other in cold blood is the answer to obtaining our own seperate beliefs. ISIS wants their control which leads to money...america wants their form of control because our corporations need the oil..plus our politicians have their needed control. Our economy could not even survive without war to fund and push us from the economic dumps we randomly experience.

    AS for attackig us..now...doubt it. We are stronger... course we are on their homeland so it is much harder for us...turn guerilla style warefare in our favor on our homefront we will prevail. But...have ya noticed obama has been militarizing the police, weakening our military, and slapping down laws that lead to marshal law (full military control of america). our country will either strengthen or weaken soon... im more for seeing it falling considering whats happening that very few people seem to notice...then i can see countries or miltias having their share.

  18. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 23 months ago

    - why do you believe this? <Our economy could not even survive without war to fund and push us from the economic dumps we randomly experience.>

    Curious

    1. Taylor Qualman profile image61
      Taylor Qualmanposted 23 months ago in reply to this

      Capitalism promotes growth,  consumption,  and production.  In order to grow we need more power,  in order to consume more we must produce more.  In Order to have all of that we must have more funds and control.  Simple taxes do not fund the massive consumption and requests for Constant growth our government calls for.  On the other hand war can fund our economy.  It gives jobs,  gives us a handhold for cheaper resources,  ect.  Capitalism takes all to grow and give nothing.  War just happens to be a high funding priority to propel it.  Have ya noticed every depression and recession we experience is followed by a war to create jobs,  make changes,  raise stocks,  and create a basis for extra money?

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 23 months ago in reply to this

        War works great as a high funding priority...for a short time.  As the production does not end up with the consumers making and paying for it, it soon fails as a source of growth.  Sooner or later the bills charged against the future will come due.

        1. Taylor Qualman profile image61
          Taylor Qualmanposted 23 months ago in reply to this

          Right you are.  I hope to god it is not in my time frame or during the lives of potential children I may have.  Altho most likely in  will be.  On a bright side... It will be grounds for change.

  19. Taylor Qualman profile image61
    Taylor Qualmanposted 23 months ago

    If you don't catch what I'm saying,  i would be happy to supply links to sites that explain it in more detailed terms.

  20. Taylor Qualman profile image61
    Taylor Qualmanposted 23 months ago

    No actually this book I'm trying to write about a dying painter,  and my plans for college, and my career keep me up at night. You have your opinions and I have mind.  Forgive me if I'm not spot on your opinion.  I'm human after all.

    P. S.  Do you like beer?  I know of a good bar were we can discuss our ideas over a cold one!

  21. CamLewis1 profile image81
    CamLewis1posted 23 months ago

    No I don't think they will, we seem to be doing a good job of keeping them at bay, and that may very well include our government spying on it's citizens or not, but I don't see ISIS as a threat. Domestic Terrorism, is what may ultimately be our undoing. The word FREEDOM has been a bane on American life since it was first magnified in defining Americans. Oddly enough it does not appear anywhere in all five stanzas of the Star Spangled Banner.

    1. teamrn profile image79
      teamrnposted 22 months ago in reply to this

      Cam, they're dictating our policy and they're invaded our neighbors and there have been questionable events here that haven't been owned by anyone but strongly suggest ISIS is involved. They're stated mission is to destroy us and when I add all that up, I com to the resounding conclusion of: YES. They may not take the form that we see them (burkas or militia) but when soldiers of the US defect and join ISIS ranks and when non-soldiers (the two gals in Denver) leave comfy 'digs' (there must have been something sorely lacking in their lives that ISIS was able to take advantage of) is's only a matter of time before they're emboldened enough to take on a presence that can't be denied and they'll take public credit for. Long story short, I think they're already here.

  22. maxoxam41 profile image78
    maxoxam41posted 22 months ago

    iSIS equals CIA. Domestic terrorism is governmental.

 
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