No in my opinion ! Yes -our US soldiers fight for everyone's right to free speech , yes There is a constitutional right to open one's mouth regardless of one's intelligence ., personal or social maturity , or regardless of their actual contributions to our way of life . Michael Moore is undeserving of American citizenship !
There are some people who are simply undeserving of our freedoms , Michael Moore is one of them , and mark my words there ARE more ! How I wish America was more like Israel ,where everyone must serve a year in the military servitude of their country . No matter where they serve ,or how they serve , they have to do it !
I believe he should be deported , do you ?
How many people you know are big on standing for the poor or the little guy?
America was number one in
the world in many areas 35
years ago. Today there
mainly number one in
military, police,prison and for
the greedy 1%. You want.to give more to them and less for the poor continiously.
Freedom of speech prevails, Michael Moore has a right to his opinion. Based on your line of argument, I would say that we rid ourselves of Limbaugh and Trump. do you see where I am going with this?
What not should be in question is his right to speak his mind freely. What should be the topic is the content of his message. Is a sniper a coward? Compared to the days when great armies would stand up in a company front and take aim at each other without seeking cover one might think it is cowardice. But the odds of getting hit by a round balls convoluted rotation was a lot higher then. What should be in question is the willingness of the movie goers to herald the necessity of having a sniper in the first place. To take another's life even though he wishes ill upon you is a tragedy and is ignored instead as a triumph. I don't think Michael Moore's summation of the movie even comes close to America's ridiculous alacrity to harm others.
He probably preaches against capitalism and for socialism, while he amasses millions of dollars. He probably has armed personal security while preaching gun control. He should be given a copy of Man without a Country and live out the rest of his days aboard US Naval Ships.
So you would rather keep hundred of mass murderers and get rid of a guy who makes movies.
You can not tell me honestly when the U.S. holds 50% of the world's War budget. It's about defence rather than offence on the world.
When people have done nothing wrong and get pulled over on waterways ,highway and big buildings. Would the public feel safe being checked. I would'nt feel safe knowing cops kill
more people than
the criminals do
MM talks about guns for last resort for defence. To me your more in danger owning a gun than not having one.
Realistically or statistically it is probably true that you are in less danger involving firearms if you do not own one. I wonder why Michael Moore owns more firearms and has access to more firearms or has protection with firearms via security, than someone like me that supports the second amendment?
It presents a conundrum or paradox of sorts. A Michael Moore Paradox of can Michael Moore be a slave owner and an abolitionist? He seems to be against guns unless they are his or for him to utilize. He seems to be against capitalism but has $ 50,000,000 dollars. Michael Moore is an infinitely better capitalist than me. I would love to have $10,000,000 dollars and give $40,000,000 to charity. I guess I am not that greedy.
I wonder what Michael Moore does with all that money? All that 50 million. I wonder if it is in a bank, in a vault, in a safety deposit box. Or maybe tax free munis. If only we lived in a world where school kids were as safe as Michael Moore's money. If schools took the same precautions as Michael Moore takes, keeping all his money, and people like Michael Moore would willingly choose to stop utilizing so many guns, it would be better world I think.
As I said before in another forum thread, I firmly believe that regardless of how anyone here feels about MM personally the reality is he's probably one of the smartest filmmakers ever born. The reason I say this is because even if he says something controversially perverse to piss others off, people still seem to listen and talk about what he says. hell, you're doing it right now by starting this thread; which in turn fuels his own political agenda. Hence indirectly speaking, your making people talk about him and his agendas, which is exactly what he wants. You see how brilliant he is?
Like you, I personally didn't care too much for what he said in his sniper tweets considering that I grew up in a military family and know a lot of people currently serving in the military. However, whether you like it or not, he has the right to say what he wants. You can't stop him, as that's his constitutional right.
Granted, you don't have to like what he said, or agree with him. Hell, you can even ignore him if you want, but you can't stop him from saying what he wants, nor can you ban him from the country for having a different point of view from your own.
That in itself would be unconstitutional. And even if O'Bama or any other future president did honor your request, then wouldn't that set a bad precedent for the United States moving forward? It would be too similar to what almost happened with Sony's "The Interview", where if Sony did decide to cave in to terrorist threats, then it would've set a bad precedent against our free speech rights moving forward. The same thing if the government did deport MM. Sure you can say he deserves it all you want, but I don't think we should start to set a bad precedent where people can easily get deported if they say anything the government wouldn't like.
No, I don't think he should be deported, but I think he makes a great example through irony, of just how great the USA is. The freedoms secured through the means they were, are for all, even those that would abuse it. I think people can see through his charade. The ones I worry about are those that don't really test his ideas, and may just adopt them. This hurts our society as those ripple effects go out, and yes we can be all the more vulnerable. Thing is though, we still have what some countries don't, free speech. Se we get to talk about it, and how utterly ridiculous the chosen actions are.
I think, or I hope, that people see right through it.
Your own first paragraph contradicts your own statement. Basic US constitution guarantees Moore and anybody the right to think and say whatever they want. What kind of a country would the US be if it only granted citizenship to those that thought the same way?
There's my point , there are those who are simply too corrosive in their hatred ,of the US , from within ! MM is one of those who's abuses of hatred for country is just too "out there " to be considered free speech , he makes no apology for his off the wall documentaries . In my opinion MM hates the country that provides him with his hypocritical leftist profiteering . He hates those who profit in corporate America yet makes his own wealth by his broadcasting and hatred for America .
I don't think he hates the US, but rather the way that government does things. But that's irrelevant anyway. Regardless of whether we agree with his views or not, he has the right to think and say whatever he wants, and so does everybody. If we were to nitpick who can say what, then that would be against free speech. You think he's corrosive, other people follow him, and others just don't care or don't pay attention to him. To a lot of people, that's the beauty of democracy.
Agree. In fact, he has the right to hate the country. LOL
I don't recall MM talking about hating America. Only some people assuming MM hates America.
MM shooting off his mouth is not the same as shooting off guns to kill people.
Actually , you're wrong it does mean that he gets people killed . Its called treason when you support the enemy from within this country ! By fueling the anti- war mentality , he lends support to the enemy ! He should be in jail !
I'm anti anything it just when super elitist and military have too much power, it's impossiable for Goverments to change things. It will be treason when do soon.
MM is a capitalist, nothing wrong in making lots of money. One thing I would like MM to change is the word uses from capitalist to corporatism.
For many faceless corporations destroy many people's lives and the natural enviroment
MM, Is secretly angry because he was omitted from military service for being Flat Footed and lacking of moral character !
You know what you end up with with a country that banishes its political opponents don't you?
Well John , you are correct . Yet I say keep his message , and throw him out ! Keep the lesson that there are and probably always will be cowardly haters of patriots, those who disrespect the blanket of freedom that they hide beneath . I can only hope that one day a patriot will arise from his aborted gene pool once again , as was more than likely once there ! .
The idea of deporting someone born American to American parents is ridiculous on its face. Deporting him to where?
Citizenship is a problematic concept at the best of times. If you mean, should he be forcefully ejected from his own property and prevented from associating with anyone else within a given geographical area for stating an opinion you disagree with, no. It would be a violation of his person and property so would be unjustified, per se
Unfortunately in my mind MM Is an angry ex- Catholic who rejects authority , his ego outshines his intelligence , yes his opines are entertaining but much like Bill OReilly on Fox news or Donald Trump ,he is simply a rant filled bag of mass- ego , People like these are entertaining but as they go on , its not long before they come clean in the fact that their ego is far more important than their message . Have you noticed they never actually listen to anyone else , Like Bill O , they simply talk louder .
There is however , a point that free speech becomes simply" lose lips" , and begin to actually feed enough of the enemy's cause that one has to wonder , who's side is he on ! One can be anti-war and perhaps work to end all wars . without tearing down the very castle that is his homeland .?
Moore thinks Guns sometimes work, where I can’t imagine ever using a gun and feel a lot safer without. Moore makes mistake like all humans, like using the word capitalism instead of using words like greedy corporate elites behavior who harm.
Not putting US down, for they are no better or worse than me or anyone else. Yet there is an illness in a America downside of their empire collapsing. Brittan was the world champion of invading countries in pass history. Today US is the new world champion by invaded a total of about 50 countries since1945 a rate faster than any other country before them.
Outside of America
US is a fearful country considering that, unlike most nations, they never been fully invaded “people all over the world view the United States as an arrogant bully, reserving for itself the right to rain down death from above on anyone it pleases whenever it pleases, The United states would rather invade then be invaded. US is 'world's leading terrorist state where men in power to use violence around the world to further their so-called American (corporate) ‘interests.
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