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April 27, 2015: Riots break out in Baltimore, MD

  1. feenix profile image60
    feenixposted 19 months ago

    A black Baltimore man recently died while in police custody, and it is widely suspected that his death resulted from police misconduct and brutality.

    Well, I say, regardless of all that, thousands of blacks should NOT be out in the streets rioting. In my opinion, their rioting is nothing but a case of the natives getting restless.

    1. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      It is ridiculous in my opinion.

      1. feenix profile image60
        feenixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        janesix, I fully agree with you.

    2. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      This is true.  There is such a thing as intelligent protest; however, this never occurs.  From the death o Dr. King to this present day, rioters are out to cause havoc and destroy.......They also destroy the very communities they reside in.  What is the point of that, really?  That is futile and foolish if you ask me.

      1. janesix profile image60
        janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Rioting and looting doesn't prove anything except the rioters are violent thieves. Nothing more.

      2. feenix profile image60
        feenixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        I just did a little fact checking, and according to Baltimore Sun reports, during the past five days, 7 blacks were shot and killed by other blacks, a little two-year-old black girl was bludgeoned to death by a family member and a black woman's body was found stuffed into a trash incinerator.

        Now where in the hell is the anger for those revolting situations?

        I'll tell why there is no anger. The way that a great many blacks see things is, when a black kills another black, that does not really count. The only time it counts is when the WHITE BOSSES kill blacks.

        1. Don W profile image83
          Don Wposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          Yes, but surely we have to be able to expect more from police officers than from people who stuff women into incinerators.

          For a start police officers are paid to enforce the law. And they are given the authority to detain and arrest a citizen using force if necessary. In Baltimore officers swear to wield that authority ". . . to the best of my skill and judgement, diligently and faithfully, without partiality or prejudice" (BPD Police officer Oath). They also undertake months of training and instruction, then get on-the-job supervision to ensure they do their job in a way that optimises the safety of the public, their colleagues and themselves. Essentially police officers are highly trained individuals who are required as part of their job to act calmly and rationally in difficult and stressful circumstances.

          So perhaps that's why people expect more of police officers. After all, if we can't expect a higher standard from the people who are paid to police our communities, then we're in big trouble. That doesn't mean people don't care about violence in general. It just means that maybe people have an expectation that the 'good' guys should actually be good.

        2. steve8miller profile image87
          steve8millerposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          Look into the stand down order. The police were told to stand down while the CIA did their tricks. The FOX is a crafty trickster, but the lamb is on the way. Christ is awakening in the billions. That crafty little trickster is about to be stuck in a cleverly built hole for the next 1,000 years.

          1. Writer Fox profile image81
            Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            What is this?  Some kind of weird conspiracy theory that the CIA caused the riots or that christ woke up a billion times and rioted in the streets?

      3. feenix profile image60
        feenixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        gm, not only is it futile and foolish, it is savage, crude and barbaric.

    3. Credence2 profile image87
      Credence2posted 19 months ago in reply to this

      Feenix, the case of this young man's death needs to be properly investigated and if there was wrong doing those responsible be held accountable.

      Why are we the only group that responds with self destructive riots? I deplore people who lack self control. So, I have problems with people who cannot control their passions, when the energy in their anger could be channeled in more constructive ways. So what is accomplished by tearing things apart in your own community?

      1. feenix profile image60
        feenixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Credence, way back in the day when I was 19 years old and living in Los Angeles, the 1965 Watts riots broke out. And I remember that my home boys and home girls and me saw the turbulence as an opportunity for us to go out and get a lot of free stuff by looting. In fact, I ended up stealing a whole new wardrobe for myself.

        And what happened among my friends and me in 1965, is the same thing that is fueling the riot in Baltimore, and that fueled the one in Ferguson, MO, too.

        For a very long time now, black society has been plagued by the "thug mentality" that exists among many of its youngsters.

    4. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
      wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

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      First of all we don't see riots in upscale neighborhoods like Uniondale: an affluent, predominantly black suburb in New York City. The average annual income is approx.$77,000.00. Riots are commonly the province of the poor and the dispossessed. Race has nothing to do with it.

      Of course there are many who participate in riots simply because they are caught up in the moment; they are there for the excitement, or to get some free merchandise during all of the confusion. But there are also many who participate because they are filled with anger and hopelessness; emotions which have fueled their aggression, and funded their need to lash out at a gentrified proletariat that sits behind the walls of  gated communities, self-righteously passing judgement upon a slave class not far removed from their own. These are the modern day Uncle Toms, and they come in all colors.

      What we are seeing in Baltimore is  predominantly poor people, who happen to be black, who happen to live under a system of white supremacy, where racism has been institutionalized for over 500 years. There are no groups of impoverished and oppressed people anywhere in the world who would behave any differently, regardless of race. We can especially see this when we look at what has been happening in Ireland for centuries. But the historical record has shown that it is not only the victims of oppression who occasionally fill the streets with malice and mayhem.

      The New York City draft riots  of 1863 are a horrific reminder of how ugly things can get when a certain group simply doesn't get their way. In 1863 working class whites rioted in protest of the draft. 119 people were killed, mostly innocent black people. Numerous blacks were beaten and tortured . One man was attacked by a crowd of 400 with clubs and paving stones, then lynched, hanged from a tree,and set on fire! These working class whites were not an oppressed minority. They simply didn't want to be drafted. The mob took out their anger and frustration on every innocent black person they could find.

      But it only gets better: The Colored Orphan Asylum on 44th Street provided shelter for 233 black children. The orphanage was attacked by a mob of "several thousand" whites, including many women and children. The white mob looted the building of its food and supplies. Thankfully, the orphans were able to escape.

      The people who seriously commiserate about the riots in Watts, Ferguson, or Baltimore, and want to use these incidents as "proof" that black people have some kind of a defect, or are natural born criminals with overly-aggressive tendencies, are simply wasting valuable real estate, oxygen, dead animal parts, and drinking water!  We can clearly see that the cows, the pigs, the ducks, and the chickens are all dying in vain! There has been no predominantly black riot in U.S. history that has resulted in the deaths of as many white people, nor have any black mobs beaten,tortured, lynched, and set fire to a white person during a riot. Racist's don't like history, because history doesn't jive with the beautiful lie that they keep wanting to tell. There has been a lot of ugliness, rioting, looting, raping, and killing going on in this country for over 200 years; on this continent for over 500. In either case,the historical record clearly shows that those responsible for a great majority of the violence, did not have black, brown,red, or yellow faces.

      1. Nevara profile image60
        Nevaraposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Thank you, for bringing up this point.  And furthermore I think it is a shame that we are so quick to get caught up in "race" that we are overlooking to core problems.  Yes, the people should not have rioted, but the whole set of tragic events was avoidable.  There should not have been, never should have been or ever be again, any kind of police brutality, racial profiling etc.  The issues involved here go far beyond race and riots, to our society itself.  It is the poor, the minority, the weak who are most often abused and downtrodden, and far to frequently those who are supposed to protect us and be most trusted start the cycle of abuse...I hope and pray that, before it is too late, we can start looking at one another as human beings, instead of a label.  A person instead of their ethnic roots, gender, sexual preference, etc.  It is easy to sit at home and watch the news and cry out in outrage.  It's not so easy to try and make a positive change.

    5. Akriti Mattu profile image85
      Akriti Mattuposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      Yes. There is a huge difference between peaceful protesting and starting a violent riot. Not called for.

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        But there usually isn't (a difference).  Not anymore; violence will always bring the camera crews, peace won't, and those orchestrating the demonstration know this very well.  Standing on a podium screaming (literally screaming) for justice does not promote peace, and those people know that.  (On the news last night, as the pastor at the funeral, in the split screen, quietly asked for peace)

    6. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      The people initially involved in starting the riot and looting looks to be high school students. It started a mobilization of others who snowballed it into a full scale riot. There is no excuse for it as the rioting turned into out and out looting and theft of the local mall business's while the bulk of the police were attending to the violence. There has been so much unrest in the area for so long this was bound to happen.

    7. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      Protester Danielle Williams said this when interviewed by MSNBC in Baltimore:

      "My question to you is, when we were out here protesting all last week for six days straight peacefully, there were no news cameras, there were no helicopters, there was no riot gear, and nobody heard us. So now that we've burned down buildings and set businesses on fire and looted buildings, now all of the sudden everybody wants to hear us. Why does it take a catastrophe like this in order for America to hear our cry?"

      In the spirit of Danielle Williams' question to the media, my question to you is: where is your forum discussion about the death of Freddie Gray? You said it yourself that "it is widely suspected his death resulted from police misconduct and brutality". So why does the title of this thread focus on riots? Do you deem the riots to be more worthy of discussion than the suspected misconduct and brutality of police officers? If so, why is that?

    8. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      Any comment to share on the lawlessness of the officers following the State's attorney's conclusion that: "Lt. Rice, Officer Miller and Officer Nero failed to establish probable cause for Mr. Gray’s arrest as no crime had been committed by Mr. Gray. Accordingly Lt. Rice, Officer MIller and Officer Nero illegally arrested Mr. Gray"? So in other words they had no right to lay their hands on him, no right to detain him, no right to arrest him or impede him in any way, and no right to transport him anywhere against his will. That also means Gray's constitutional rights (4th amendment) were violated. Any comment on that also? Does your criticism only extend as far as those who commit property damage?

    9. steve8miller profile image87
      steve8millerposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      Look at the big red bird everyone. Don't look at the trucks rolling in and the Walmarts closing.....

    10. steve8miller profile image87
      steve8millerposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      Wow, Fake pictures about Baltimore being in flames! It's not true people in Baltimore are stunned. Baltimore is not burning. Fake Fox News about Baltimore as per usual.

      Do you know Fox news retracted photo's and a fake shooting about a man shot in the back, it did not happen. Non-Violence is still prevailing for now, just do not buy the hype Baltimore is far from burning, people are uniting as one!

      The mainstream lie is not holding, everyone knows mainstream media is faking news about Baltimore, my friends in Baltimore are scared people might believe this crap, but they still have faith.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
        Kathryn L Hillposted 18 months ago in reply to this

        What is the truth?

        1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
          wrenchBiscuitposted 18 months ago in reply to this

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          The truth according to the Brother John Birch Society is that black people just want to live in the ghetto, collect food stamps, and have a riot just for the heck of it every now and again. According to Brother John, and his sister Pollyanna, the good white folk have been trying to motivate people of color to be productive citizens  for over 500 years.

        2. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
          Kathryn L Hillposted 18 months ago in reply to this

          "Non-Violence is still prevailing for now, just do not buy the hype Baltimore is far from burning, people are uniting as one!" steve8miller
          Maybe he knows something we don't.

          1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
            wrenchBiscuitposted 18 months ago in reply to this

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            Yeah, but with one more Stevie could have had nine!

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
              Kathryn L Hillposted 18 months ago in reply to this

              I guess he wasn't ready. lol

  2. word55 profile image81
    word55posted 19 months ago

    Non-violence is what Dr. M.L. King stood for. Baltimore would love to have him there right now. The protests that he led were the most peaceful ever. I don't think King was overrated at all. Those rioters are out of control. King would not have stood for it. No other black leader has stepped up since King. That is what should be promoted instead of trying to down King. The riots are a disgrace. Leave King's name alone and deal with the rioters at hand.

    1. feenix profile image60
      feenixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      word, back in August, 1965, during the Watts riots in Los Angeles, Martin Luther King, Jr. came to the city in an effort to bring an end to the violence.

      Well, all of the young black rioters showed nothing but disrespect for King, by shouting insults at him and hurling objects his way. It was not a pretty sight and things quickly reached the point where King had to take cover and be whisked away in an automobile heavily escorted by police cruisers.

      I know all about that, because I was there.

  3. janesix profile image60
    janesixposted 19 months ago

    They start throwing things at random people, for absolutely no reason. Shameful.

  4. word55 profile image81
    word55posted 19 months ago

    I can agree with you here feeinix. The same hate happens here in Chicago unfortunately. When the weather breaks warm, so do the black on black gunslingers. Blacks look for any excuse to act out niger-ish.

  5. janesix profile image60
    janesixposted 19 months ago

    "What we are seeing in Baltimore is  predominantly poor people, who happen to be black, who happen to live under a system of white supremacy"

    absolutely UNTRUE

    1. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      Of course it is untrue, but forgive the speaker.  Racists of all colors will always need to denigrate and degrade others in a futile effort to raise themselves, and the reasoning behind it very seldom has even a single grain of truth.

      1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
        wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

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        You are famous for these veiled insults. But now I must insist that you explain your little soundbyte. Since you have made the statement, perhaps you can tell me who I have denigrated or degraded. It is no  secret that the United States is based on white supremacy. But you are suggesting that the mere statement of a fact is racist.

        It would only follow that if  I express the fact that most of the great Blues singers who lived and performed between the years 1910 and 1950 were black, that I am racist against black people. And of course, your logic suggests that if I should express that a majority of those incinerated at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were Japanese, I must also be racist against the Japanese. Believe it or not, there are many white Euro-Americans who speak out against this government. Father Daniel Berrigan comes to mind, and his brother Philip.  There are, and were many Germans who spoke against the Nazis, and there are many Orthodox Jews who are against Zionism. Besides, I am white, and European.. Are you suggesting I am racist against myself? How can that be possible?

        You speak of grains of truth. How many grains of truth do you need? I would think that over 200 years worth should be enough. I once knew a man who had an IQ of 125, and even he could see what's going on here.

    2. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
      wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      You have made the statement, now please, backup your statement. If they are not living under a system of white supremacy, then whose system are they living under? The Haitians? The Puerto Ricans? The Apache, Mapuche, Yaqui, Aniyunwiya? Perhaps the  Filipino's? I would love to hear your answer.

      1. janesix profile image60
        janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        They are living under the AMERICAN system.

        Who's Commander in Chief is Black I might add.

        1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
          wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          Are you serious? You say they are living under the American system. If you are suggesting that the American system is not based on white supremacy, then why were all of the slave owners white, and why were all of the slaves black, or native people? If this country was not founded on white supremacy, then how did all of the native people end up either dead, or living on reservations?  Are you suggesting the slaves enslaved themselves, and that the Indigenous people willingly left their homelands, along with all of the rich mineral deposits and natural resources, to go live on impoverished reservations? Have you not heard of Manifest Destiny?  And why do you think that there is such a disparity between whites and blacks even today? This did not happen by accident. It has been proven over, and over, again that black people are just as hard working, intelligent, and honorable as anyone else.  Yet the disparity continues to exist, and it exists because we are living under the rule of white supremacy.


          Concerning Obama, he is the first and only non-white president in over 200 years. Doesn't that kinda give you a clue to what's been going on here? And haven't you noticed that his presidency hasn't prevented white cops from using black men for target practice?

          1. Buildreps profile image95
            Buildrepsposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            You are right in your view, wrenchBiscuit. Most people here haven't got the faintest idea who controls the capitalistic system. Obama is just a puppet on a string. There are no equal chances in America, it's a fata morgana. Most people aren't intelligent enough to see through it. And when they are, they are too programmed to see through the veils.

            1. Writer Fox profile image81
              Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              Wow, you went way back on this thread to find that old post.  That's OK, but later posts show that the first black slaveholder in America was a black man and he wasn't the only black man to hold slaves.  Also, many black slaves were owned by American Indians.

              But this thread is about the riots and the riots are a result of the discrepancy in the lifestyles American blacks choose for themselves, like their 72% illegitimate birth rate and the high dropout rate in schools which are free to everyone in America.

              Other black Americans make better choices. "If black Americans were a nation, they would be the sixteenth richest on earth. Some of the richest, and most famous, people in the world are black Americans."
              http://www.commdiginews.com/life/studie … kS31zom.99

              Everyone has opportunities in America.  Opportunities are only as good as what an individual makes of them.

              1. Buildreps profile image95
                Buildrepsposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                That's simply not true. You might learn some day to look at both sides of the coin.

              2. gmwilliams profile image85
                gmwilliamsposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                Excellently said, +1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000!

  6. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 19 months ago

    Way to go Baltimore , one of the most affluent cities in America , the best jobs , close to the bennies of Uncle Sam , Yet , we gonna burn it down !    That works every time , Not!

  7. SOBF profile image80
    SOBFposted 19 months ago

    "Rioting is the language of the unheard" ~ MLK

  8. SOBF profile image80
    SOBFposted 19 months ago

    feenix how many people must die before property damage is a acceptable response?

    1. R K Beran profile image60
      R K Beranposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      You're implying that it is currently justified? How is it the fault of store owners and other property owners that other people in the community are upset? Why should their property be looted, damaged, or destroyed?

      How is breaking the law and hurting people within one's own community bringing about any change? Improving the community?

      What if it were your home or business? Would you be cool with a bunch of angry rioters breaking your store windows? Looting you merchandise? Sabotaging your livelihood? Plundering your home? Would you just brush it off and say it's fine?

      Only an idiot could support taking away someone's rights to (and to the protections of) life, liberty, and property in the name of his own right to protest. That's not how rights work; they're not mutually exclusive, and they don't "trump" one another based on how important the concerned parties view their rights to be.

      Rights are coexistent. Therefore, it doesn't matter what injustice getting people worked up to the point of anarchy. They still don't have the right to trample other peoples' legal protections.

  9. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    Black people don't riot for no reason.
    Seems white people do though. Nobody hears about it or calls it "savage" because. ..well I don't know.
    My brother feenix recently admitted to the gun violence of those in his family, yet it was mostly in reference to shooting those (low-life) blacks who deserved it.................
    Uh...the POLICE killing black people for whatever reason is the largest sting.
    Thugs will be thugs... but police are not around fa thuggin'.
    They have no business killing ANYONE who is not a danger. In jail they take yo shoestring.
    You can melt you a plastic spoon tho...make it pierce flesh. But that does not seem like a reason for killing. The police get too fuckn brutal for nothing (besides the fact that they're dealing with disposable humans).  They kill their own in cold blood NO other race will shoot their own... it's a FACT I checked wink wink
    We must  thow our anger where it belongs.
    Riots are the result of injustices (well for blacks; whites riot for sport-or sports)
    Black people learned brutality from her boss... her boss gave her step-by-step instruction on how to tear up some shit.
    Most rioting blacks are angry. They have a right. I can talk about beat my (sister) all effen day fn long!!! But YOU bet' not... you'll have a problem there...
    No police officer is ever concerned about the backlash FIRST... he just shoots when a nigga is on the other end... why not???

    1. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      These are adults. They should be able to control their anger.

    2. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      Stop making excuses for bad behavior.

      1. Cgenaea profile image61
        Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        wink ok... your excuses will be our little secret. wink wink

        1. janesix profile image60
          janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          You're the one making excuses for bad behavior, not me.

          1. Cgenaea profile image61
            Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            Uh... you, and everyone else here (maybe not wrenchb...) know that when we talk about white people acting a stone fool... you break out the psychology book.
            Miss me...

      2. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
        wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Janesix has replied: "These are adults. They should be able to control their anger." and also  "Stop making excuses for bad behavior".

        These are typical responses. Yet Americans celebrate the 4th of July each year! They celebrate the fact that the greedy landowners like George Washington didn't try to control their anger over British rule.  I assure the reader that sticking a sword into the belly of a young 15  year old British soldier, or firing a musket ball into his skull, can easily be construed as bad behavior. Americans celebrate war and accept violence when it appears to be in their best interest. It was also bad behavior to slaughter 100 million of my people in order to steal the wealth of this continent. It is funny how the Big Pot insists on calling the Little Kettle black.

        1. janesix profile image60
          janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          How is rioting a looting a good idea? What problem does it solve? How is burning down your own city a good idea? What problem does it solve?

          1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
            wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

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            You are asking the wrong questions. You should be asking: Why does a man who is set on fire jump around and start screaming? Or you should ask: When a man accidentally smashes his finger with a hammer , why does he curse and yell out?  We all know that screaming will not make the fire hurt any less, or the broken finger feel any better.

            You should also ask: Why will a dog who has been repeatedly beaten, also bite the stranger who attempts to show him kindness?

            These are all elementary questions.  If you can answer these questions, then you will understand what is happening in Baltimore.

            1. janesix profile image60
              janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              No, I am asking the right questions. Which you are refusing to answer.

              1. Cgenaea profile image61
                Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                You MISSED that...??? Wow!

              2. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
                wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                Once I saw a show on TV about employees who steal in motels and hotels. One cleaning lady  was caught dead to rights on video. The video showed her stealing money from a purse that was purposely left in the motel room. They even confronted the cleaning lady with the video evidence. But to my amazement, she still denied that she stole the money!  LOL Your response reminded me of this.

          2. Cgenaea profile image61
            Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            They're angry. They do not have a city... they have homeless people and a slew of vacant houses...

            1. janesix profile image60
              janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              "They're angry" yeah, I got that. Adults know how to control their anger.

              1. Cgenaea profile image61
                Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                So the police are not adults???
                Oh!!! Why didn't someone tell me??? All they need to do is hire adults... put this sh*t to rest...

                1. janesix profile image60
                  janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                  I'm not talking about the police. I'm talking about the rioters.

                  1. Cgenaea profile image61
                    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    Everyone is talking about the rioters...
                    No one is talking about police. It's typical... that's why brutality and death KEEPS occurring at the hands of police. No consequence. A lil riot allows cops to exercise their military muscles... i really dont think they mind. Why arent police pepper spraying the stupid cops who started this mess???.

          3. Don W profile image83
            Don Wposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            I'm not sure anyone thinks that rioting is a good idea, and I don't actually think it's intended to solve a problem. Violence is a natural response to violence. I have been criticised for writing about racial bias, called a "race baiter" etc. It's frustrating. That frustration is nothing compared to the frustration and anger of people seeing police officers causing deaths in their communities, under questionable circumstances, without punishment. And to add insult to injury they themselves are then criticised for complaining about it. Add to that the historical context of violence against black people (see the picture wrenchBiscuit posted) and you have a perfect storm of deeply felt hurt, anger, resentment, powerlessness and frustration. So although we may not excuse the violence, surely we can understand where these people are coming from.

            1. janesix profile image60
              janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              The thing about it, is I've been the ONLY one in these threads to advocate actually looking into the problem, investigating it etc. When I suggested a place to start, I was told "that's not my problem". I"M the one who pointed out where the problem lies, in that the shootings aren't bein g reported in a meaningful, systematic way. Then they ignore it.

            2. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              Don, do you really think that burning down their own community had anything to do with cops killing someone?

              1. Cgenaea profile image61
                Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                It's not their community. That's probably most of the problem. There is a great deal of black face in the place, but mostly white department?!?
                Mostly white business. Abandoned buildings where many homeless reside. Black people poor and without work because all the business is, again, not black, not looking to hire them. Now murderous police.

              2. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
                wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

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                His 200-plus film credits notwithstanding, the spry, spirited Rooney will be best remembered for playing the impetuous title character in MGM's beloved Andy Hardy movies.

                Rooney, 93, who died Sunday surrounded by family at his North Hollywood home, leaves behind a colorful Hollywood legacy that spanned 80 years and a couple of hundred films, including Boys Town and The Black Stallion.



                I have included the text above because it makes as much sense as your  outrageous suggestion that the black youth of Baltimore were just looking for any 'ol excuse to set the city on fire.

        2. Cgenaea profile image61
          Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          Amen. Or whatever the Original American phrase for, "...and it is so."
          My thing is, NO leader is cleaning stupidity out of police departments. It's business as usual for them.
          Get the guns and the gas. "Show we MEAN that we can do what we want, and YOU sit down! And shut up!!!"
          I saw a pic today, the caption was, "A racist system doesn't care if you are for violence (right under Malcolm X's open casket) or nonviolence (right under MLK's open casket)
          It's been many many many years, and we have yet to overcome systemic violence!!!! The "good" kind...

    3. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      It is going to be a hard black and white sell with the police commissioner and the Mayor both being black. The police in Baltimore are a tough bunch and I know a few who have retired and they are very prejudiced towards the blacks. Both the Mayor and police commissioner were very careful not to reproduce what Ferguson did with a military like response. Some criticize the Mayor for not acting sooner with preparations but this was bound to happen anyway. Can you imagine the outrage if any school kids were shot? The issue coming out more and more is the lack of opportunity and the hopeless conditions where these people live. Frustration breeds contempt just waiting for an outlet. I know many people from Baltimore as I live a short distance from it and the prejudice between blacks and whites is horrendous. When in the city I feel the tension myself as I look like any other middle aged white cracker out there. I find once the ice is broken with a greeting you can tell how it will go. Sometimes a glare but mostly a smile will greet me in return.

      1. Cgenaea profile image61
        Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        The president is black... that's not stopping the police from shooting and killing black people!!! People are people. A darned RAT will attack you if you push him into a corner.
        Do we blame the darned rat?????

      2. janesix profile image60
        janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        "The issue coming out more and more is the lack of opportunity and the hopeless conditions where these people live. Frustration breeds contempt just waiting for an outlet. I know many people from Baltimore as I live a short distance from it and the prejudice between blacks and whites is horrendous"

        Are they blaming whites for their problems? If so, why?

        1. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          I don't know if the reason is specifically the blacks blaming the whites for their problems but the clash between the white cops and black  population is a real issue. As far as blaming the whites for lost opportunity it would have some validation as there are more white owned businesses but a black mayor has not improved their lot by much.

          1. feenix profile image60
            feenixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            rhamson, actually, it is not up to a mayor (even a black one) to do things that would generate more black-owned businesses. It is entirely up to blacks themselves to establish a greater number of black-owned business enterprises.

            As I have frequently wrote here on HubPages and in other venues, it is time for blacks to start carrying out a bold new movement based entirely on unlimited black enterprise, capitalism, self-reliance and self-determination.

            1. Credence2 profile image87
              Credence2posted 19 months ago in reply to this

              Feenix, your 2nd paragraph is really the only answer. We can continue to raise a tantrum whenever something happens to one of our own, but nobody will care, because no one has cared. They never will unless we up our game. It will be as it has been before,  a few pallative words that will suffice until the next crisis.

              You are never going to succeed as long as you remain a victim. You having experienced Watts know that the moment any of the rioters there moved into a white community (Westwood), the event would have gone from a police action to a massacre.

              We all have to be smarter than this, you don't have to be a sell out to develop a more shrewd and effective way to deal with an adversary outside putting yourself in jail or 6 feet under, who wins then? We are group of people historically known for our endurance and strength, not toddlers that throw their toys around.  The "man" is going to kick you when you are down, he always have, so why are we expecting an olive branch in the form of compassion and humanity? The man has the guns and the power of law. Dr. King acknowledged the advantage of non-violence, when he said a gun in the struggle is no good when they have so much more of them.

              Strenthening your self and your people is not selling out.  We don't do the struggle on the terms of our adversary,  but instead plan carefully, finding the soft underbelly.......

            2. rhamson profile image76
              rhamsonposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              The city of Baltimore since Schaefer has wooed and brought big money into Baltimore through tax breaks and moratoriums. Even the buildings were built from construction companies outside the state. The jobs generated were not those that were open to the ghetto population other than maintenance and maids jobs. Many of the people working in the high-risers have degrees and many live outside the city. The decay and degradation of the area is a result of a forgotten group of workers of which many have have turned to drugs and crime as a survival mechanism. Notice I use the word MANY and not all. Gone is the steel mill and the GM car plant and other blue collar jobs vacated to overseas labor. It is the part of globalization where we have traded the Baltimore poor jobs for a standard of living commensurate with China and Vietnam's poor. The race to the bottom is most clearly evidenced by their plight. Relax and do nothing they are coming for and in many cases have taken your middle class existence. Just look at how big your debt is as proof.

              1. Credence2 profile image87
                Credence2posted 19 months ago in reply to this

                How true based upon an economic system designed to enrich the few at the expense of the many. The forces that contribute to the impoverished condition of that part of Baltimore is working on us all from the bottom up. You are a correct when you indicate that Middle class- no distinction for race, are just as vulnerable and will probably soon find themselves not much better off than the poor denizens of Baltimore. Beware for whom the bells tolls......

                We have spoken of a system that transcends politics and political parties. Your point of view is vindicated in many ways as the current system is intractable, the folks at the top of the pyramid will use whatever method, fair or foul, to maintain their advantage.The ghetto phenomenon will be explained away as it always has but  let the symptoms of that phenomenon creep into the world of soccer moms and Volvos, then people recognize that there is an enemy (not just a figment of the Black man's imagination) that has to be fought if they are to maintain any viability into the future.

          2. Cgenaea profile image61
            Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            I'm so glad you said that. It makes no difference when black officials run the area. Racism is much bigger than a mayor. We may elect who we want, but they better follow the rules in place. or else...

      3. Credence2 profile image87
        Credence2posted 19 months ago in reply to this

        That says a lot when a white person is honest to acknowledge what most of us already see and experience. Youre being at ground zero, you have the opportunity to provide an interesting perspective.

  10. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    Property can be replaced...
    Call me when they start strangin folks up!!!

  11. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    Nobody's telling the police...

  12. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    I wonder what would happen if all police departments are IMMEDIATELY given "emergency" respect for all citizens training; take a test and PASS, beFORE they are allowed to keep their jobs... i have heard NO ONE say, "We need to tame, and educate our police officers, this is happening too much!!!".

  13. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    Why aren't city leaders OUTRAGED at the conduct of their officers???

  14. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    I know... all the time...

  15. janesix profile image60
    janesixposted 19 months ago

    Problems shouldn't be solved through violence.

    1. Cgenaea profile image61
      Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      Which police precinct will you visit with that message. If you go left, I will go right...

  16. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    Sounds like an excuse to me.

    1. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      Cops kill white people too. Why aren't you in an uproar over that?

      1. janesix profile image60
        janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Police kill twice as many whites as they do blacks.

        "Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks. In that respect, Medved is correct."

        http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st … es-blacks/

    2. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      I'm not making excuses for anyone. I'm the one looking at the big picture.

  17. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    I am. I dont think police should have the ability to shoot and kill unarmed people for running, resisting, or color.
    They need to be checked.
    I can see now, the riot that would occur if white thugs are shot and killed by black officers without recourse repeatedly...
    White prople have historically been known to do much more damage over simple suspicion.
    See Black Wall Street, Nat Turner uprising, (almost any hockey game wink ).

    1. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      "I dont think police should have the ability to shoot and kill unarmed people for running, resisting, or color.
      They need to be checked. "

      Absolutely agree.

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Sounds nice, but isn't very practical.  Consider that shooting at cops is "resisting".  So is charging with a knife or other weapon.  Using a car as a weapon is "resisting".  Can't speak for others in this thread, but I don't expect cops to be murdered before they can use a weapon.

        1. Credence2 profile image87
          Credence2posted 19 months ago in reply to this

          Perhaps, but that is not the case in the death of the young man in Baltimore, the subject of the thread. It wasn't applicable for the shooting in North Charleston either. We are not talking about armed suspects, but about police shooting unarmed people based on some excuse or specious justification.

  18. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    One man's big picture... another man's excuse... perspective...

  19. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    Isn't it difficult to break a spine???

  20. janesix profile image60
    janesixposted 19 months ago

    The real problem I see is why is there such a disproportionate number of black violent crimes?

    1. Cgenaea profile image61
      Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      Because not all enforcement agencies enter their data into the system... remember?  We do not have all the facts. And I'm SURE I know why.

      1. janesix profile image60
        janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Yes, more conspiracy theories.

        1. Cgenaea profile image61
          Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          Nooooo who would conspire against blacks??? Bite your tongue! wink

  21. Writer Fox profile image81
    Writer Foxposted 19 months ago

    These riots are not about racial issues.  Baltimore has a black mayor, a black city council president, a black police chief, a black top prosecutor and half of the Baltimore police force is black.

    What you are witnessing in Baltimore is a neighborhood with the highest concentration of heroin addicts in America. 

    I don't know what happened to Gray while he was in police custody, but a look at his past arrest record is revealing:
    http://clashdaily.com/2015/04/freddy-gr … ore-over/#

    1. feenix profile image60
      feenixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      Writer Fox, your comment is a very good contribution to this forum. Thank you for posting it.

    2. Writer Fox profile image81
      Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      This is what should be done with the people rioting in Baltimore:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRlmCf1Kj2o

      1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
        wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        The "Angry Mom" video is exactly how racists want a serious issue of police brutality and institutionalized racism to be portrayed. If this is not a staged event, it is certainly a shameless racist exploitation of an insignificant, domestic drama. Obviously this was meant to trivialize the protest, and to give the impression that the protesters are just a bunch of delinquents who need a good dose of tough love! It's disgusting how the media panders to the Archie Bunker mentality that still pervades mainstream America. The link I provided here has far more substance, and portrays a less sensational, and more realistic aspect of what is going on in Baltimore. Of course the "Angry Mom" video has over 3 million views. This video has under 800,000. I know what should be done with the racists who have created this situation, but I'll leave you and Harry Truman to read between the lines.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HaaRZ8nxd4

        1. Writer Fox profile image81
          Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          The mayor of Baltimore, who is black, applauded the woman in the video and so has the nation.  Perhaps you don't realize that the kid was hanging around with a heroin-crazed mob when his Mom saw him on TV throwing rocks at policemen.  (Half of the city's policemen are black!)  The Mom is a hero: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/04/ … riots-mom/

          1. Cgenaea profile image61
            Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            The black Baltimore mayor does not have control of his police force. Maybe he should take a lesson from the angry mom and line them up for their beating.
            Psychologists (the one on MSNBC) stated that it is that kind of thing that teaches violence to black males as the way to get what you want. Mom WAS angry. That was not discipline nor was it the first time.  What kinda adult will he be???

          2. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
            wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12378709.jpg

            First of all , what you are suggesting sounds racist itself. The fact that  someone is "Black", doesn't mean that they are always 100% correct in their thinking or actions. There have always been Uncle Toms, or Vendidos among the African communities. This is nothing new. Furthermore, the number of black police isn't remarkable either. We are living under a system of white supremacy. Consequently, the black community,black politicians, and the black police are all under the ultimate direction of a white supremacist authority.

            But let us imagine for a moment that the major is not an Uncle Tom, but an upstanding,forward thinking black person who has the people's best interest at heart: What else could he say? The media shoved the video in his face amidst all of the turmoil. Of course he had to put a positive spin on it , and then move on to more important matters.

            The "Angry Mom" video is reminiscent of the Police video, (can't remember where) that was released either during or after the Ferguson uprising. In the video, the police were shown stopping motorists and giving them Christmas presents! It was so heartwarming I had to leave my desk and throw up! These are both equally disgusting examples of how mentally challenged the American public truly is. And how easily public sentiment can be influenced and manipulated. I can only wonder how many traffic tickets they have issued, and how many thousands of dollars in fines have been collected (stolen) from motorists since that "kind" and magnanimous gesture!

            Finally, I am not impressed with your heroin crazed mob fiction either. Have you ever been around people who are on heroin, or opium? Obviously not. People who shoot heroin don't hang out at protest marches and riots. It would be next to physically impossible for someone high on heroin to be running around ,throwing rocks, and wreaking havoc throughout the city. Junkies are like "The Walking Dead". They move real slow, and they sleep a lot, or just lay down and stare at the ceiling. I understand that many of those who have expressed their opinions here live in the real world ...  but unfortunately for the next victim of police brutality, and racial injustice, it's the real world of Ozzie and Harriet!

            1. janesix profile image60
              janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              "We are living under a system of white supremacy. Consequently, the black community,black politicians, and the black police are all under the ultimate direction of a white supremacist authority."

              Why are you trying to spread lies?

              1. Cgenaea profile image61
                Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                "We are living under a system of white supremacy. Consequently, the black community,black politicians, and the black police are all under the ultimate direction of a white supremacist authority."

                Truth is truth...

              2. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
                wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                I am spreading only the truth. If you step outside the box a little, turn off Fox News, and read a little bit you'll see that what I'm telling you, is for many, "old news".

                Here is a link to a Neely Fuller Jr  interview that might give you better insight. Fuller explains that any so-called black leader, anywhere in the world, including Africa, is answerable to white supremacy :
                https://youtu.be/FALm1hX3oQQ

            2. Writer Fox profile image81
              Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              Last I heard, the Commander in Chief of the U.S. is black.  So, what is that? Sounds like America is living under the ultimate authority of Black supremacy. Or, is he just an 'Uncle Tom' kowtowing to white American voters? 

              Gray's arrest on March 20th was for dealing cocaine.  Do you know anything about the systems of people high on cocaine? According to the U.S. National Library of Medicine and the National Institutes of Health:

              "Cocaine is an addictive drug that produces numerous psychiatric symptoms, syndromes, and disorders. The symptoms include agitation, paranoia, hallucinations, delusions, violence, as well as suicidal and homicidal thinking. They can be primary to the drug's effect or secondary to exacerbation of comorbid psychiatric disorders. The use of cocaine in the “crack” form is often associated with more frequent and intense symptoms. Paranoia occurs in 68% to 84% of patients using cocaine. Cocaine-related violent behaviors occur in as many as 55% of patients with cocaine-induced psychiatric symptoms. Homicide has also been associated with cocaine use in as many as 31% of homicide victims.

              "Cocaine has numerous effects on many important neurotransmitters in the brain; however, the most dramatic effect is on the increase as well as the release of dopamine. Dopamine is thought to be the primary neurotransmitter involved in the pleasure centers of the brain.. Excessive dopamine levels have also been hypothesized to be associated with anger, aggressiveness, hallucinations, delusions, and other psychotic symptoms. Cocaine also initially increases levels of norepinephrine and serotonin, 2 other essential neurotransmitters. Norepinephrine is responsible for alertness, activation, increase in heart rate and blood pressure, and preparing the body for emergencies, such as 'fight-or-flight' situations."

              Gray was also previously arrested for 'manufacturing narcotics', which would indicate crack cocaine, which is even worse.

              When Gray was taken into custody, there was no police officer in the back of the van, but there was another prisoner in the police van.  Whatever transpired will eventually come out. The medical examiner's full autopsy hasn't even been completed yet. Only idiots jump to conclusions until all the facts are known and that is exactly what those rioters are. Are you actually reading anything about what is happening in Baltimore?  The fact that you think the mayor is a man leads me to believe you aren't really following developments in Baltimore.

              Commentator Ebola Jenkins said: "Remember in 1992 when South Central Los Angeles was mad at some cops for beating a crack-addict trying to assault them, so in 'revenge' they burned down the neighboring Koreatown full of first-generation immigrants who couldn't afford business insurance and struggled with the English language? Their young Korean-American children almost ended up starving in the streets while still wearing diapers. However, today, 23 years later, those children became doctors, lawyers, dentists, scientists, and business-owners. Koreatown is in the middle of constructing the tallest skyscraper (in North AND South America) west of the Mississippi River. For some reason, neighboring South Central still looks EXACTLY like it did 23 years ago! So press on, Baltimore, make that place resemble the artsy historical-districts we call Ferguson and South Central LA."

              I don't know why you brought the 1950s sitcom 'Ozzie and Harriet' into the picture, but have a picture of Ricky Nelson, their son, who was also on the show.  He was a cocaine addict and cocaine, marijuana, and the painkiller Darvon were found in his blood stream when he died at the age of 45:

              http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12379067.jpg

              1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
                wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12379089_f1024.jpg
                Having seen my past commentary, you should realize that any feeble attempt to "spin" my comments is only a waste of your time. Many have challenged me here, and all of them have failed. It is a simple rule I learned a long time ago. Never challenge, or insult someone in a public forum who is smarter than you. You have nothing to gain but humility. And it only makes them look smarter than they really are. Just sayin. But back to the matter at hand:

                Hear Ye! Hear Ye!

                Writer Fox has himself commented," ... Perhaps you don't realize that the kid was hanging around with a heroin-crazed mob when his Mom saw him on TV throwing rocks at policemen..."

                This is what you posted Writer Fox, and that is what I responded to. I didn't even mention cocaine! Your long-winded rant about cocaine is simply a not so clever smoke-screen that you have used in order  to avoid addressing the fact that your comment about heroin made no sense whatsoever. Concerning my use of Ozzie and Harriet: I think the joke was pretty obvious. How do you like me now?

                White Supremacy explained: https://youtu.be/FALm1hX3oQQ

                1. janesix profile image60
                  janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                  "Many have challenged me here, and all of them have failed. It is a simple rule I learned a long time ago. Never challenge, or insult someone in a public forum who is smarter than you. You have nothing to gain but humility"

                  Repetition doesn't make you win an argument, or appear smart. You can SAY something repeatedly, and that doesn't make it true. You need to prove America is run by white supremacists, and you've of course failed to do that so far.

                  1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
                    wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    A bear may appear to be cute, and harmless, but then he will turn and eat you alive! What you see or do not see in me is of no consequence.  I am not Jesus, and so I cannot make a blind man see, or a deaf man hear.

                    The system of white supremacy and racism began in earnest in the 15th century with Pope Nicholas V. And so, it was proven long before I was born. But I see you did not follow the link. You did not follow the link because there is a man much smarter than me at the other end of that link; a man who will deliver the truth that you so desperately do not want to hear.

                  2. Writer Fox profile image81
                    Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    I guess that's because it is kind of hard for him to prove that Obama is a white supremacist! lol

                2. Writer Fox profile image81
                  Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                  From your comments on this thread, it doesn't look to me like you have gained any humility.  And, if you actually read all of the other posts here, perhaps you didn't understand this one: http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/130240? … ost2730016
                  That's where I noted that Baltimore has the highest use of heroin in the U.S. and also where I posted the link to Gray's history of arrests for cocaine use and selling drugs.  And, if you would take the time to actually study what is happening now in Baltimore, how could you possibly miss seeing the interviews with gang leaders who were so out-of-it that they could hardly keep their eyes open?



                  Yes, of course, I and others realize you have trouble making sense about what people post on this forum. Your continued focus on 'white supremacy' as an excuse for riots, attacking police officers and destroying property is indicative of a gross inferiority complex, a victim mentality which demands an apology for perceived affronts and the constant need to insult people who have more logical, educated opinions. The only 'long-winded rants' I have seen on this thread have been posted by you.

                  1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
                    wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/12379278.jpg

                    Writer Fox has himself commented," ... Perhaps you don't realize that the kid was hanging around with a heroin-crazed mob when his Mom saw him on TV throwing rocks at policemen..."

                    You still did not address the issue. Do you have a crystal ball. How do you know the mob was "heroin crazed". It is a very simple question, that begs a simple answer.  The fact that any authority may have suspected that a number of the protesters were high on drugs is beside the point. You can suspect that a number of Wal-Mart shoppers are high on drugs. Or any number of people at a Motley Crue concert are high on drugs. But do you really know that for sure? Could you possibly know that for sure? And on top of that, do you really expect that a rational person would ever believe that you, or anyone else, without first hand knowledge, can actually say how many people were high, and what they were using? No, it's completely absurd.

                    And so, I'll ask you again in a different way. Please,tell me how you know the mob was heroin crazed?

        2. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          I think I'd have to take it with a grain of salt when the bloods or crips declare they're all about getting kids to go to school and get jobs.  It was also a little disturbing when they say they're not about gangs now, but all about blacks; a little reminiscent of the KKK's stance now, wouldn't you say?

          On the other hand, the photo from facebook has something to say, backed up by actions:
          https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid … mp;theater

        3. Cgenaea profile image61
          Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          You know if that boy had called "the people" she'd be investigated for child abuse. So many stipid people watch and laugh. White and blacks alike are delighted. But they made corporal punishment an infraction of the law, YEARS ago...
          I guess if it is done according to the country's liking it's ok.
          I watched MSNBC almost all day yesterday. I saw the thug truce video twice and the crazy momma about 8 times.
          Thank you for pointing that out. They make what they're doing so obvious. Black people scorners (even black ones) will hopefully come to themselves once the light stops flickering off the spoon. We must meet people where they are... none of them are on a soapy pedestal.
          They have too many black people singing the black people aint shit (except me in all my loveliness) song.

          1. janesix profile image60
            janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            Agree with you here. Child abuse is child abuse.

    3. SOBF profile image80
      SOBFposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      I strongly question that list of offenses unless the charges listed were dropped prior to him going to court. You list 5 instances of distribution within 2 months. Considering the amount of time it takes for a defendant to go to trial your website claims that he had multiple counts of distribution while continuing to sell drugs. I don't think any judge would allow a defendant with so many drug arrest to continue out on bond.

      1. Cgenaea profile image61
        Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Every time a black man is gunned down or in this case thrown down to his neck twisted into a pretzel, by police, we want to check his record. As if to say well see!!! He deserved to be dead... I do not care what felonious charge we come up with... he'll never get his RIGHT to a jury trial...

        1. Writer Fox profile image81
          Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          There are methods for dealing with complaints against the police and his relatives can bring a lawsuit. In fact, the family has already hired an attorney.  Also, the incident is being investigated right now, not ignored.

          A complaint against police actions is not an excuse for breaking into stores and robbing them, for destroying a neighborhood and attacking people. And I think that it is significant that the guy was a major drug dealer in this neighborhood and his last arrest was just a month ago. The fact that he was arrested 22 times before and was never a victim of police brutality is also a sign that the police in that area do not single out black people to kill. Half of Baltimore's police force is black!

          Dealing with people crazed out on cocaine or heroin often requires police to use force to restrain them and, in this case, the guy resisted arrest and tried to run away.  The truth will come out but, whatever the truth is, it is not an excuse for lawlessness.
          http://heavy.com/news/2015/04/freddie-g … est-video/

          1. Cgenaea profile image61
            Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            Jeffrey Dahmer, a man who ate people for a living, made it to the jail.....   
            Sickening that drug sales makes one ineligible for living. What kind of world are we living in???

    4. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      I'm guessing that you also intended to highlight Baltimore PD's previous record of losing court cases for brutality and civil rights violations, resulting in $5.7 million in damages being paid to victims since 2011, but you just forgot. Don't worry, I've got you covered. Here's a link to the Baltimore Sun with a story all about it: http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police-settlements/

      You're welcome.

  22. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
    wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago

    That's OK feenix. I know ...  that you know ...  that you can't back up your accusation. It would be like trying to prove that Monica never gave Bill an erection.

  23. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    Thanks!!! But uuuhhhhh... Nevermind

  24. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    Wrenchbiscuit, Did you see that???

  25. adams07 profile image85
    adams07posted 19 months ago

    wrenchbiscuit- if you're a musician/songwriter then you need to stick to what you know because you specifically have twisted this entire thread into complete nonsense.  A simple comment on your opinion is all that's necessary without all the random dribble that you just continue with.  The fact of the matter that you're missing here is that shit that happened 500 years ago should not still be brought up consistently in present day.  History is just that-history.  If you want something better you fight for something better you don't make excuses that 500 years ago so and so oppressed so and so.  The color of peoples skin should have absolutely nothing to do with brutality or violence.  This whole situation is being taken ridiculously out of hand by people who are stuck in the past.  Police brutality/violence should not be tolerated regardless of the skin color.  People want to immediately pull out the race card in these situations when race itself shouldn't even be taken into account...a young man died in police custody should make headline news without regard to his skin color.  Is the fact that someone died in police custody not enough of an issue?  The situation needs to be investigated regardless of the skin color and the family needs answers regardless of their skin color; they deserve that much.

    1. feenix profile image60
      feenixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      adams, thank you for gracing this forum with your thoughtful comment. I really do like your style.

    2. Cgenaea profile image61
      Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      This discussion seemed to have been rooted in the riot part.
      The 500 year ago thing has stretched to this very day.
      Just 60 years ago the vote was allowed. And what do you think happened all that time in between???
      It's almost painful to hear that since theys votin nah. That they are in anyway equal. Now!!! I have known thousands of blacks. Only a handful, are murderous.
      The police brutality is the root cause.
      Can you name me an era where blacks have not been police gassed? Police murdered on a large scale? Remember Martin peacefully walking over the bridge for their right to vote???
      Bloody what???
      The police bombed the people and seemed to have attacked that peaceful crew from ALL SIDES!!! How many years ago did the guvna send troops to kill a peaceful bunch of walkers???
      History made lateral moves.
      And since a few blacks made it... with whatever help they got; they get snooty and forget that their entire families and most of their friends struggled...
      Not everyone has that in him. We gotta meet people where they are...
      Where are most black people???

    3. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
      wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

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      I apparently know something that you don't! Everything happens for a reason. What you are today is inextricably tied to the past. The language that you speak is only because of the past. It did not just fall out of your mouth today! The world system that exists today only exists because of the positive and negative forces of the past. You think that it is dribble, but if the world would have listened to what Jesus said over 2000 years ago, Ferguson and Baltimore would have never happened. The words of Jesus, and all of the great prophets and philosophers still reach out to us from the past. It is not dribble, but only wisdom. I see that you do not know the difference. But I am sure you would understand a dollar if I placed it in your hand.

      As far as simple comments, you seem to be doing very well,  but I do not have such a talent for the mediocre. What happened 500 years ago is as important now as it was then. We cannot reconcile the evil of today until the past is first reconciled. The problem in Baltimore, in one respect, is very easy to fix. Yet in another respect, a hopeless situation. If the system of white supremacy, institutionalized racism,  the capitalist system, and the government were completely abolished, and then replaced with a system of Anarchy; a system of true freedom and solidarity among the people., all of these problems would evaporate overnight.

      There would be no economic disparity, there would be no real estate, there would be no starvation, or riches to fight over. It would be a world of scientists, philosophers,technicians, artisans, and architects, all working together for the betterment of mankind. No , this is not dribble. Baltimore is speaking to the spirit of man, just as Ferguson, Toledo, and South Carolina. Many of you are very quick to judge , but when we look at the state of the world, we see that the current methods have not been working so well. No , it is only arrogance, and jealousy that tells me to shut up, and sing a simple song. But this is not to be. If my intelligence is frightening to you, then I suggest that you should stop looking at my words. Osiyo!

      1. janesix profile image60
        janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Oh PLEASE.

        Anarchy? Yeah, right. You must be joking.

        1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
          wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          No I'm not joking! You obviously don't know what it is.

  26. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    I say
    Since black people are only 13% of the population, and they are murdered at such alarming rates, they should be considered endangered. Protected like we do old buildings and paper...
    Funded for strengthening their community all the way around with free psychological services to every black person who doesn't own his own home... or have a father.

    1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
      wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12295515.jpg

      But you are thinking like a human being ... not a reptile!  You are thinking like someone with a heart, mind, and soul. You can see the hatefulness in this world   ....  and the shallowness in their words. They will only live and die this way. But I can see that your life will never end.

      1. Cgenaea profile image61
        Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Very touching. Thank you. smile
        And since I can say it no better, I give you a resounding DITTO...

    2. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      You do realize that black people are mostly murdered by....you guessed it! Black people.

      1. Cgenaea profile image61
        Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Yeah...that's why the order of psychological services to undo the many generations of, "you ain't spit Boy!!!"
        See... I be thinkn. wink

      2. SOBF profile image80
        SOBFposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        As white people are mostly murdered by guess who....white people, and Asian people are mostly murdered by guess who....Asian people and Hispanic people are mostly murdered by guess who Hispanic people.

  27. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    I believe there's yet such a place(s).

  28. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    And would somebody tell the world that people on heroin are looking for their next hit, ASLEEP!!! Not running around protesting...
    People forget the effects of heroin cuz the news came on???

  29. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 19 months ago

    Anybody listened to Rudy Giuliani  talk about "cool down periods " which were  allowing rioters to go at it  for days before  any arrest's? --- He  absolutely stopped all rioting and began arresting anyone for anything in these same outbreaks in NYC.  , guess what , No more riots ....... Baltimore has , politically  speaking , a highly  liberal  leadership ,  high percentages of black cops  , black police commissioner  ,  , Black mayor ,  and   over sixty percent black by population in the city  .

    Just saying ,  A little too much coddling of these  rioters ?

    1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
      wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

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      I think many people around the world who are watching this thread are starting to understand why these kids are rioting in Baltimore. The following comment is classic Americana:

      "...... Baltimore has , politically  speaking , a highly  liberal  leadership ,  high percentages of black cops  , black police commissioner  ,  , Black mayor ,  and   over sixty percent black by population in the city  .
      Just saying ,  A little too much coddling of these  rioters ? "

      Now folks, seems it's not just the black "heroin crazed" thugs who need to be brought under control, but the black leadership is also to blame!

      1. Cgenaea profile image61
        Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        He forgot black dead boy...

      2. Writer Fox profile image81
        Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        By George, I think you've got it!

  30. The Examiner-1 profile image82
    The Examiner-1posted 19 months ago

    Those riots are over now.

  31. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    Orioles COO
    Very smart guy. Honest and also ready for change.
    Yay!!!

  32. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    Sad sad day in America...

  33. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 19 months ago

    Yet The saddest day in America or anywhere is the rose colored glasses that many people don when the facts are right before their eye's!    I have said in other forums , "The numbers don't  lie " .     

    If inner city  riots are the result of a  people seeking answers  ;   I wouldn't want to live in one .   More like a wild  night out on the town  --at everyone one else's expense ,  AS Usual !

    We've got racism ,  poverty ,  unemployment ,   high cost's of living ,  hatred , disrespect , police violence , fatherless homes  ---In rural America too , Do we riot ? No.   More like something else going on there .

    1. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      "We've got racism ,  poverty ,  unemployment ,   high cost's of living ,  hatred , disrespect , police violence , fatherless homes  ---In rural America too , Do we riot ? No.   More like something else going on there ."

      How are you trying to relate here and then compare conditions and the plight? Are you comparing rural America to inner city blight? The only correlation to make is the hopelessness that is overcoming the poor. The poor are way beyond the middle class in the effects of the economy and failed job policies the past several administrations have developed. The move to eliminate manufacturing jobs and replace them with high tech and service jobs has been a disaster. The move is just a sideshow to the investment and business models towards overseas exploitation of labor resources to improve their bottom line. The greed at the top is what spawns these issues. Taking away jobs that provided security and affluence for the poor and middle class were replaced with low paying low skilled jobs that keep these people losing and falling more and more behind every day. Yes Freddy Gray was a drug user and more than likely a dealer but his history is a definition of what the poor and the hopeless conditions they live in provides for these people trapped in these circles of repetitive economic and political failure.

      1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
        wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

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        In 1999 after the Denver Broncos won the Superbowl, a riot erupted. Property damage stemming from this riot was estimated at $160,000 according to the Associated Press. But it still wasn't called a riot. Instead, a spokesman for the city's mayor called participants "hell-bent on causing trouble." These were just "good ol' boys" having some fun! The double standard is so apparent that we can all see who's hiding under the sheets here, as well as behind the phony profile pics of black people.

        1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
          wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/12380546.png

          But there's more!  After the Montreal Canadians won the Stanley Cup finals in 1993 a riot erupted. According to ESPN, this riot caused "$2.5 million in damages as 168 people were arrested and 115 injured." Of course, I am sure that some racist is going to accuse me of living in the past. After all, that was over 20 years ago!

          1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
            wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

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            But there's still more!   2014: San Francisco Giants win the World Series:  40 arrests, two shootings,couches burned, buildings hit with graffiti and businesses  vandalized. This was never characterized as a "riot." It appears that when white people riot, the just do it for fun, and it's not really a riot. But when black people riot as the result of over 500 years of oppression, they are dirty, heroin crazed thugs! Right!  I can see you under those sheets!

            1. Credence2 profile image87
              Credence2posted 19 months ago in reply to this

              Good points WB, these examples are hard to dispute. Plus these people are not poor or in a community with crime, unemployment etc. These anglos  in your example had to express their discontent over the loss of an insignificant sports contest with a riot. Their behavior is a notch up the pole toward being even more inexcusable.

              1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
                wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                Absolutely! And let's not forget that had a man's spine not been nearly severed, this would not have happened. When young black men are given uniforms and guns, and sent to kill the sons of Afghans and Iraqis, not for freedom, but for the commercial interests of corporations, they are called soldiers and heroes. But when they , in desperation, throw rocks at those who represent their oppressors; those who are killing black men with impunity, they are called thugs, criminals, and drug addicts.

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                  Probably because they are thugs, criminals and, in Baltimore, likely drug addicts.

                  1. Cgenaea profile image61
                    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    Sounds like trailer park behaviors to me...

                2. Cgenaea profile image61
                  Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                  For the record, black men don't have to do a darned thing in order to be labeled. They came here in chains with a label...nothing has changed there. I just hate we keep forgetting to find a "label" for the savages responsible for their even being here!!! I cannot think of one low enough to fit properly...

                  1. Writer Fox profile image81
                    Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    The "label for the savages responsible" is Black Africans.  These were the first black slave holders and these were the ones who kidnapped other Black Africans and sold them as slaves to markets in the Middle East, Asia, Portugal, England, France, etc.  So, is the term "Black Africans" a term "low enough to fit properly" or would you prefer some other term for "Black Africans?"

            2. Writer Fox profile image81
              Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              It wasn't called a riot because it wasn't a riot; it was a celebration gone out of control.  Most of those arrested were arrested for public drunkenness (a different kind of substance abuse). The people weren't protesting anything; they were celebrating their team's victory albeit in an inappropriate way.

              "A riot is a form of civil disorder characterized by a group lashing out in a violent public disturbance against authority, property or people. Riots occur in reaction to an actual or perceived grievance or out of dissent." It's not racism to understand the proper definition of words; rather, it is being educated. 

              And, blacks have not been oppressed in America for 500 years. The first slave owner in America, by the way, was a black man and he owned the first black slave in 1655.  (The first slave holder in Mexico was also a black man.) By 1830 there were 3,775 black families living in the South who owned black slaves. By 1860 there were about 3,000 slaves owned by black households in the city of New Orleans alone.

              You must be hallucinating if you saw people under white sheets in the Baltimore riots, because nobody else did. But, there was racism at play. In December, the Baltimore FBI office issued a memo that the Black Guerrilla Family gang was targeting “white cops” in Maryland. On April 27, Baltimore Police Spokesman Capt. Eric Kowalczyk said "Members of various gangs — including the Black Guerrilla Family, the Bloods and the Crips — have entered into a partnership to harm police." These gangs are largely responsible for the distribution of narcotics in Baltimore, scores have been arrested, and they are operating drug rings from prison.

              Why don't you try to collect your thoughts in a coherent manner to prove whatever point it is you are trying to make and write a Hub.  Here's a nice video you might want to include: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yktyADnCg8

              1. Cgenaea profile image61
                Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                "It wasn't called a riot because it wasn't a riot; it was a celebration gone out of control."
                Talk about ur rose-colored glasses. Lmaorotf!!!

                Unfortunately, Baltimore has nothing to celebrate. But I guess we'd think of some worse labels if they start that kind of celebration after b-ball...
                The guerrillas are being preyed upon...
                My thugs are scary, I know....
                And I know it is hard for white men to measure up; so scared is smart...
                Narcotics distribution??? Yes!!! You see how everyone looks at them... what choice do they have? Mass incarceration ensures that many CANNOT become employed... much less gainfully.  You say they don't deserve it??? I say none of us AMERICANS "deserve" anything!!! But it is given... mostly taken by them who think they started this country with all SOMEONE ELSE'S hard work. On SOMEONE ELSE'S land..
                go figure...
                Those thieves think that they're good. I often wonder why...

                1. janesix profile image60
                  janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                  "You see how everyone looks at them... what choice do they have? Mass incarceration ensures that many CANNOT become employed... much less gainfully"

                  Everyone has the CHOICE to live a decent life and NOT turn to criminality. Everyone.

                  1. Cgenaea profile image61
                    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    And the white, war-hoes who lost their big daddies to gunfire???

                2. Writer Fox profile image81
                  Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                  They are no longer invited to see games in Baltimore.  Yesterday, the Baltimore Orioles played a winning game in their final game of the series against the White Socks in front of 46,000 empty seats because management feared certain people in Baltimore would "start that kind of celebration after b-ball."

                  Read my earlier post for the definition of the word "riot."  You obviously don't understand the word and, because of that, people laugh at you, not with you.

                  1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
                    wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    Your comments indicate that you tend to view the printed word, or human discourse, in a strictly literal, or utilitarian manner. I noticed in one comment you didn't "get" the point of my posting a picture of Ozzie and Harriet. Here you don't seem to "get" the point of my expression concerning "sheets". I was referring to the people here on Hubpages, not the people in Baltimore! So let me give you a heads up Writer Fox.  I do not place unnecessary restrictions on my expression. I include humor, metaphor, sarcasm, simile,drama ... wherever, and whenever I like. I don't feel it's necessary to dumb myself down just in case someone with an IQ of 150 might not get my meaning. Life is too short my friend.

                    Slavery began on this continent in 1492. My people were the first to be enslaved by the European on this continent. And I am well aware of when the first African supposedly came to North America. What happened in Virginia in the 17th century was only possible because of what came earlier in 1492. And so, when we speak of the enslavement of people on this continent by the European, we start with when it actually began, and that was with the arrival of Columbus in 1492.

                    But so what? 500,300,200 years? Do you have any idea what it's like to be a slave? Can you imagine what it is like to be a slave for even ten years,5 years, or 1 year? No, you cannot imagine it, and neither can I. I have no reference for such a feeling of bitterness,hopelessness, and despair. But I do know that it would have to be the worst feeling a man could ever experience.

                    Concerning blacks owning black slaves. I am not familiar with this history. But I do know that black soldiers, the so-called Buffalo Soldiers were sent to kill my people in the west after the Civil War. I also know that there were those among the Aniyunwiya who also owned African slaves. But what is most important to understand is that the so-called Buffalo Soldiers were only doing what they were commanded and forced to do by a system of white supremacy. Concerning the Indigenous who owned African slaves:The Indigenous who owned slaves were just as despicable as the whites, but there was no comparison between the few natives who owned slaves, and the number of slaves owned by white Europeans. Furthermore, it was the European who started the institution of slavery on this continent,  and it was the European who maintained it. It was a majority of white,southern, Euro-Americans, who decided to secede from the Union over the issue of slavery. In other words, the information you have presented has little to do with the price of tea in China, or the unrest in Baltimore.

                    Your semantics notwithstanding, when an innocent bystander encounters a mob of people who are looting, shouting, starting fires, painting graffiti, throwing rocks etc., it looks and feels like a riot. And that's simply because it is.

                  2. Cgenaea profile image61
                    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    I can handle laughter. I like it wink lol...
                    Fearing a sports riot is way different than expecting a hockey one... but nobody shuts those games...
                    You obviously didn't see the Orioles COO's interview. And for that. Lol... wink

              2. Don W profile image83
                Don Wposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                I'm not sure whether it's genuine ignorance on your part, or a willful non-acceptance of reality. Either way, such silly statements do not help resolve what is very serious social issue. On the contrary, this type of tone-deaf statement is a big part of the problem.

        2. Cgenaea profile image61
          Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          We all know how "savage"...

    2. Cgenaea profile image61
      Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      No one is going to rural communities to shoot hillbillies. Rose colored glasses are worn by those who deny the truth about police and their filthy behavior. Poor other dude didn't get a "what we gon say???" conference for many days because he don' got hisself taped!!! wink
      We all know though....
      Too often we are burying someone who could have just been left alone.
      Trayvon-whatchu doin round here boy???
      Michael-get out the damn street boy!!!
      I can't breathe! Fuck yo breath...
      Looked to me like the fake taser placer dude was glad he ran. Gave no chase... just opened fire and set up the scene like ge KNEW what to do...
      These last cops... I have no idea why they pursued that guy and twisted him up on the ground. But I pray they make, "He killed himself" their final answer. That war will probably create the needed change...

      1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
        wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        big_smile "No one is going to rural communities to shoot hillbillies." This phrase gets bumped up to the top 10.

  34. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    smile I'd like to thank God, my late dog Misty and the establishment.

  35. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    Too bad... I've said too much already.  Lol...

    1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
      wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12381529.jpg
      I only do this for the exercise. The racists, and there are a lot that frequent these forums, are always interested in denigrating minorities, especially black people. It's funny how, because of the forum rules, they have to really work at delivering their insults without using the preferred racial epithets.

      1. janesix profile image60
        janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Actually, I've seen the racists get away with quite a bit.

        1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
          wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          You've got 106 Hubs and 138 followers, and you joined 4 years ago. I am quite curious why you don't have any pictures in your Hubs. 0! Why is that? It is a great curiosity.

          1. janesix profile image60
            janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            I am too lazy to find pictures for my hubs. Is that a good enough reason for you?

            1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
              wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              I've been using Pixabay lately. You can download for free and most images, as far as what I have used, are Public Domain. But I go ahead and attribute anyway. Thanks for clearing that up.

              1. janesix profile image60
                janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                Thanks. I might try that sometime. Mostly it's just been a hassle trying to find good pictures without copyright issues. I have a few pictures on my other HP account, but I took them myself so I don't have to worry about attribution.

                1. Cgenaea profile image61
                  Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                  INFP??? infj...

                  1. janesix profile image60
                    janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    I can't remember, it's been a long time since I took that test. One of those I think.

            2. Cgenaea profile image61
              Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              Sshhh!!! You know how this panel cuts up lazy AND broke.

              1. janesix profile image60
                janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                That's ok, I can deal with it. I freely admit my faults:) Or most of them anyway.

                1. Cgenaea profile image61
                  Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                  And those who mind, don't matter. wink

      2. Cgenaea profile image61
        Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Lol!!! We incorporate the "favorite" into our daily speech... 'ts nothin'.
        I will take the chance in ass-u-ming that ignorance of truth is deliberate. No number that they could publish will succeed in erasing thier known history before they learned to hide their actions. Better watch out... everyone has a camera.

  36. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    In the 1920's (the last time blacks were collectively wealthy) a white mob accosted the their town, because of a rumor that started in an elevator... Levelled the entire town in 24 hrs without one jail sentence arrest of whites. Millions of dollars of damage, insurace companies faked on their end. Nothing since. Just 60 years ago, a mob of state "thugs" shot and killed a whole lot of people for walking across a bridge. Black men daily carted off to jail for bs charges, brutalized and killed in large numbers today by police...

    1. Writer Fox profile image81
      Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      I have no idea what you are talking about, but that really doesn't matter.  If you don't like living as a minority in America and within American laws and working legally within the American system (which drug-dealing, street rioters do not do), well you are not a slave in the U.S. and you can move any time you wish to a country where blacks are in the majority.  Because you don't do that and because other Blacks have no intention of doing that, I do not believe you are that unhappy in America no matter what you say on this forum.

      I think you are happy that you were born in America as a free citizen, no matter what your ancestors went through.  And, understand, not all Black Americans are descendants of slaves and most have no idea whether they are or not.  It's not something they focus on now.

      Most people feel discriminated against in one way or another.  Women in America are often discriminated against and they make up half the population.  There are other ethnic groups and religious groups that feel discriminated against.  People are discriminated against because of age, appearance, illness, etc. 

      What we are dealing with on this thread is drug-dealing gangs leading a riot in Baltimore, attacking police and bystanders, breaking into business, stealing and looting, setting fires, closing schools and sending an entire neighborhood into chaos.  There is no excuse for that.

      1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
        wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12381573.jpg
        Writer Fox,

        Are you being serious? I can't believe you just  invoked the ghost of Merle Haggard!
        Love it or Leave it! You must be an American. How about Lee Greenwood? He's got some foot stompin' patriotic songs too.

        1. Writer Fox profile image81
          Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          I never told her to leave America; I said she had options.  Go read my post again.

          1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
            wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            Options? I know you can't be serious. I'm only responding cause I'm waiting for my hamburger to cook. People don't have those kind of options.You can't just pack up and move. The average working class person can't afford to do that. They can't afford to move down the block! And you're suggesting people can simply exercise their right to leave.the country?

            1. Writer Fox profile image81
              Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              I did.

          2. Cgenaea profile image61
            Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            Won't be forcing me out of my home. You will respect me in it.

      2. Cgenaea profile image61
        Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        There is no excuse for harassment of police officers on a consistent basis. There is no excuse for becoming murderous because a dude resists the harassment. There is no excuse for there being such a discrepancy in income potential. If these guys had jobs, they wouldn't be as easy to pick off though. Might put some people outta work...
        They STILL haven't said what they were chasing him for that I've heard. That's important.
        Black Wall Street. Google

        1. Writer Fox profile image81
          Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          The initial police investigation of the death of Freddie Gray is now in the hands of the State Prosecutor. The final autopsy report will not be ready for at least 30 days.  The State Prosecutor and the FBI are conducting there own investigations now.  Nobody is forgetting this death but, because of the circumstances, all of the facts are not known yet and true justice will take time.  All of the police officers involved in the arrest and transport of Gray have been temporarily suspended from the police force until a final conclusion is determined.

          Some believe that Gray's injuries might have been caused because the police failed to put a seatbelt on the prisoner.  In other parts of the country, handcuffed prisoners in police vans have died because of this.  Just today, it was revealed that the police van made a previously undisclosed stop while transporting Gray. Testimony has been taken from the other prisoner who was in the van with Gray.  Little by little, all of the facts will come out.  There are also private attorneys working on behalf of Gray's family.

          It is impossible that this case will be swept under the rug, and that was true even before the riots. 

          In the meantime, all any of us can do is wait for the investigation to complete.

          http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/30/us/ba … estigation

          1. Cgenaea profile image61
            Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            I already know today, that police people are unfortunately nasty to black people. They claim they're scared, but they KEEP walking up on them... just to see what they're doing. Guns drawn. Or a host of simultaneous tacklers with rude hands and knees. Today... that needs to stop!
            I know they will not legitimately state that the boy knocked his own windpipe aloose. Even crazy people who do that ro themselves, know their limits; but if they find a way... one more to the long-assed list.

  37. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 19 months ago

    Riots ! -- I am always reminded of all  the "protests " in the middle east .   So if a few thousand people can get out and  burn ,pillage , protest , then they can also  get out and work !   And , if you're working , well then there's certainly no time to protest .    unless uh - you don't want to , or  don't have to  work .

    1. Cgenaea profile image61
      Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      Work... we're talking about Baltimore. Aint no work. They escape that way... who wants that? Baltimore and their black leaders have a horrible record. They've been looking the other way so far...
      The city has enough cash for police overtime, so it seems... not enough for good schools and industry. Loan some money for all those vacant houses; ensure blacks can get loans for businesses to push out the foreigners with deeds passed down from generation to generation. Blacks should benefit in "their own" neighborhoods not EVERYONE else... Stop zoning laws that bar blacks from commercial endeavors... etc

      1. janesix profile image60
        janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        "Some minority groups are presumed to be socially and economically disadvantaged and can qualify for the 8(a) program. These groups include: African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Native Americans, Asian Pacific Americans and Subcontinent Asian Americans. Individuals who are not members of one or more of these groups can be considered for the 8(a) program, but they must provide substantial evidence and documentation that demonstrates that they have been subjected to bias or discrimination and are economically disadvantaged. Firms owned by Alaska Native Corporations, Indian Tribes, Native Hawaiian Organizations and Community Development Corporations can also apply to the program."

        https://www.sba.gov/content/minority-owned-businesses

        1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
          wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          I can tell you didn't grow up in the ghetto. And I'm sure you have never lived in the inner city. It's easy to plan your life, and make the right decisions when you're living in a nice safe neighborhood, with a car in the driveway, and money in the bank.

          1. janesix profile image60
            janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            No, I didn't. Although we were poor and my sibs had to use grants/loans to get through school. Big family. We had it relatively easy growing up though.

            1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
              wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              Yes. We all have difficulties in life. But I have never had to live in such a hostile and hopeless environment. I wouldn't dare throw stones. I would also be very angry if I had to live that way.

    2. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      ahorseback, the quote below is the most intelligent analysis of this type of rioting I have ever seen. It is based on a deep understanding of the issue (not surprising considering who it's from). A bit more intelligent than the OP's suggestion that it's just "natives getting restless" (which is a slightly off choice of phrase in my opinion). Anyway, I hope you get a chance to read, digest, and understand it.

      "Urban riots must now be recognized as durable social phenomena. They may be deplored, but they are there and should be understood. Urban riots are a special form of violence. They are not insurrections. The rioters are not seeking to seize territory or to attain control of institutions. They are mainly intended to shock the white community. They are a distorted form of social protest. The looting which is their principal feature serves many functions. It enables the most enraged and deprived Negro to take hold of consumer goods with the ease the white man does by using his purse. Often the Negro does not even want what he takes; he wants the experience of taking. But most of all, alienated from society and knowing that this society cherishes property above people, he is shocking it by abusing property rights . . . .

      When we ask Negroes to abide by the law, let us also demand that the white man abide by law in the ghettos. Day-in and day-out he violates welfare laws to deprive the poor of their meager allotments; he flagrantly violates building codes and regulations; his police make a mockery of law; and he violates laws on equal employment and education and the provisions for civic services. The slums are the handiwork of a vicious system of the white society; Negroes live in them but do not make them any more than a prisoner makes a prison. Let us say boldly that if the violations of law by the white man in the slums over the years were calculated and compared with the law-breaking of a few days of riots, the hardened criminal would be the white man. These are often difficult things to say but I have come to see more and more that it is necessary to utter the truth in order to deal with the great problems that we face in our society.
      " (Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.)

      1. Credence2 profile image87
        Credence2posted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Dr. King's assessment is still relevant in the current day. The tragedy is after so much time has passed, it shouldn't be.

  38. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    Info... thanks. Wish us luck!

    1. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      You should see the hits I got when I looked up "African American scolarships". A lot for minorities. Makes me with I was on the Baker rolls....I got a grant Pell grant a few years back, but it wasn't enough for me to use(It was only like a thousand dollars, enough for about a term. School is so expensive!

      1. Cgenaea profile image61
        Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Yes, I've looked it up too. Seems a lot available for blacks hush-hush like. And IF you stumble across, you must "qualify" and then you must hope nobody beat you to it. Those funds dry up so fast. Worth a try.

        1. janesix profile image60
          janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          There's also a lot just for women too. I'm glad I looked into it. I'm thinking of going back to college seriously now:) I looked it up,and it will cost me $50,000 to get a BA. Now I have to figure out how to pay for it!

  39. Cgenaea profile image61
    Cgenaeaposted 19 months ago

    I think he thinks that the world would think we were under the rule of President Obama. However, the crap he inherited from the previous regime was atrocious.
    The presidents all have one thing in common, America, of which Aztecs, Blacks, Hispanics, and maybe Chinese are not apart. People with melanin are peripheralized and put away. Black neighborhoods, Hispanic neighborhoods, Chinese neighborhoods (I mean towns), the reservations ("Here, we'll reserve you a portion of your land. Because we're running out of ammo")
    ...sick...

  40. janesix profile image60
    janesixposted 19 months ago

    What does slavery have to do with modern day riots?

    Nothing. No one is dealing with slavery today in America, and no one is being oppressed.

    1. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      Boston PD was made to pay $5.7 million in damages to victims of police brutality in the last four years alone, but . . .

      ". . . no one is being oppressed".

      Victims of the brutality are most often African Americans but . . .

      ". . . no one is being oppressed".

      The allegations against the victims (the reason the police arrested them in the first place) were dismissed in almost every single case but . . .

      ". . . no one is being oppressed".

      So you have officers who are given special powers and authority that other citizens do not have, causing serious injury, and violating the constitutional rights of mostly black people who have been found to have committed no crime, but still you insist . . .

      ". . . no one is being oppressed".

      What have the the people experiencing this have to do to get people's attention?  Start burning buildings? Oh wait . . .

      "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" (John F. Kennedy)

      1. janesix profile image60
        janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        "Victims of the brutality are most often African Americans but . . "

        Prove it. Twice the number of whites are killed by police than blacks. Do you have the statistics to back up your claim?

        1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
          wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/12383632.jpg
          Racists, being limited intellectually, just don't have the talent for a good spin. It's too bad I'm not a racist, I would be a real asset to their cause. I could even put a convincing spin on the rogue cop Michael Slager , and distance the good racist American from the coming fallout. Here is my spin:

          "This man is not a white man! This is a black man  who has had his skin bleached. Anyone should be able to see this. Consequently, this is just another case of black on black violence. White cops don't shoot black people in the back! For god's sake, they took an oath to uphold the law! In fact, there is a record of him signing the document that said he would. I rest my case."

          1. janesix profile image60
            janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            Of course, you don't have the statistics, either. Let's see it.

            1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
              wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              What? The statistics for how many bleach their skin so they can pose as white cops?

              1. janesix profile image60
                janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                "Victims of the brutality are most often African Americans but "

                This is what we were talking about . Try to stay focused.

        2. Don W profile image83
          Don Wposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          So you think brutality and oppression are just about deaths caused by police? They're not. The definition of oppression is the "exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner". The definition of brutality is "savage physical violence". Death is the most severe outcome, but it's not the only indicator of police brutality or oppression. Being punched in the face by a police officer, or thrown to the ground by a police officer, or kept in a strangle hold by a police officer, or verbally abused by a police officer without just cause, is still brutality even if you don;t die from it. And the fact this is done as a way of exercising state power and authority means it is, by definition, oppression.

          But it goes beyond the police. Social oppression is where a particular group or category of people is mistreatment and/or exploited in a way that is supported by social structures. Remember redlining? That's social oppression. The fact people with 'black-sounding' names get 50% less call backs when sending out a CV (yep, studies have been done). That's social oppression. Anything situation where power or authority is unfairly used to hold a person or group of people down. That's social oppression.

          In relation to statistics, while available DOJ data (reported voluntarily) give some indication of the number of deaths caused by police, it doesn't give an indicator of how many people were victims of excessive of police brutality (strange how police departments choose not to voluntarily report how many people they have brutalized to the DOJ).

          One thing we can see is the number of cases in Baltimore where the police were successfully sued for using excessive force. That's what the Baltimore Sun looked at when they found that since 2011, $5.7 million has been paid in damages for use of excessive force by police. Almost all the allegations against the victims were thrown out of court, and almost all the victims were black.

          A thorough exploration of the oppression of African Americans in modern could be as long as a dissertation. Suffice it to say, you are way off the mark if you think   

          ". . . no one is being oppressed"

          They are, but not enough people are listening. This thread doesn't exists because the author wanted to talk about the oppression of African Americans. It exists because a group of African Americans set fire to some buildings. Think about what Kennedy said: "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". We've got to start listening.

          1. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            "One thing we can see is the number of cases in Baltimore where the police were successfully sued for using excessive force. That's what the Baltimore Sun looked at when they found that since 2011, $5.7 million has been paid in damages for use of excessive force by police. Almost all the allegations against the victims were thrown out of court, and almost all the victims were black. "

            One case out of the tens of thousands of confrontations really doesn't seem like "social oppression".  You DID catch that that's what your statement says; that there was just one case that successfully sued?

            1. Don W profile image83
              Don Wposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              I can see how it reads that way. It's actually over a hundred cases that make up that total $5.7 million in damages. But the important point is that this only represents cases of police brutality where the victim has successfully sued. Factoring cases of police brutality where the incident is not reported, then of course the total will  be much higher. But unfortunately we have no way of knowing about those cases . . .  until now. Social media and the internet is playing a big role. Many of the examples seen recently are based on the fact that someone has filmed something. But it does beg the question, if this is what people with smartphones are capturing, purely at random, how much of this is actually going on that doesn't get filmed?

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                OK - it's up to 101 cases.  With a force of 3,000, and assuming one interaction per day per cop (you know there are many more) for four years, that's .00002 of incidents involved brutality.  That's not oppression.  And yes. it's only the successful laws suits.  Does throwing out almost all the suits mean anything except you believe they should not have been?  Or does it lend credence to the idea that it really IS only a very small number?

                And you're absolutely right that social media and the internet is playing a role (remember the "He's black" from Zimmerman?).  How much is going on that isn't filmed?  Probably not much - everyone is carrying a cell phone and everyone is more than happy to film a cop.  After all, they might get into the news themselves!

                The point is that all you've produced is a tiny fraction of a percent that is known to be bad calls, and lots of insinuation that there has to be thousands more.  More trying to raise an emotional response, then, instead of producing actual facts.

                1. janesix profile image60
                  janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                  Don't you know facts are biased? Unless, of course, they back up your theory. Then it's ok to use and acknowledge them.

                2. Don W profile image83
                  Don Wposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                  Your focus is too narrow. I said in my comment to janesix that ". . . it goes beyond the police. Social oppression is where a particular group or category of people is mistreatment and/or exploited in a way that is supported by social structures". You have to look at the issue in it's entirety. Racial bias within the structures of society: economics, politics, justice, employment, education. All of that is part of the social oppression of African Americans because of how it disproportionately impacts that group. What I'm saying is that police brutality is just one part of that bigger picture. 

                  And let's be clear here, the riots in Baltimore are not just about Freddie Gray. If you actually LISTEN to what some of the people on the street there have been saying, you would know that. The underlying socio-economic conditions in Baltimore (and all the things I mentioned that contribute to those conditions) are the issue. The anger and frustration have been simmering for a long time. Freddie Gray's death was just the spark that ignited the whole thing. That anger is not surprising.

                  You and others for some reason can't even ACKNOWLEDGE or ACCEPT the genuine grievances of African Americans, or that there is even a problem! What happened in Baltimore is what inevitably happens when people who are genuinely suffering injustice (Freddie Gray committed no crime) are ignored, and instead further PUNISHED for complaining about those injustices.

                  Unfortunately what you don't seem to realise is that this is not just a problem for African Americans. When constitutional rights are violated it's ALL OUR problem, because those rights are what protect us all from oppression and tyranny. If we stand by and watch the rights of others eroded by the police, or by politicians, or by social institutions on the grounds that it's THEIR problem, or because we refuse to even acknowledge the problem, then we are acquiescing to tyranny and oppression. And not the tin foil hat conspiracy kind, but the genuine subtle, creeping police-state kind.

                  I don't know what to tell you Wilderness I really don't. All the facts and figures that demonstrate African Americans as a group are socially oppressed, are right there at your fingertips. The justice system is out of balance, the economy is out of balance, education and employment are out of balance. I'm sorry but those things are undeniable. I can't make you find the information that demonstrates that, or read it. I can only hope you take the time to look for it, or if not at least acknowledge that the disregard for constitutional rights displayed in this case is in no one's interest, and we should all stand up and oppose such violations which hurt us all.

                  1. wilderness profile image96
                    wildernessposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    I have no problem with the idea that racism is alive and well in the US.  It's nowhere near what it was, but it still exists.

                    But that is no reason to grossly exaggerate facts, or to spin them into an emotional case rather than factual.  It is certainly no reason to lie about events to increase anger (If Gray committed no crime why was he in custody in the first place?). 

                    And finally, no the riots were not about Gray or any other perceived oppression.  They were about thugs destroying and looting, nothing more.  A chance to damage without little to no fear of reprisal.  To become one of a gang of thugs causing harm to innocent people (and themselves) in a massive display of stupidity.

          2. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
            wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

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            You and every other reasonable person on this thread have made valid points, and it is encouraging to see this expression. However, we are all aware that very seldom will the racist change his stripes and admit the truth about America. However,if you haven't seen this already; in this video a redneck actually takes responsibility and admits the evil of racism in this country:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYM1o8QIk6c

            1. janesix profile image60
              janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              Don't you think people who use words like "redneck" are racist?

              1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
                wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12384037_f1024.jpg
                Not at all. The term "redneck" derives from the fact that many rural whites who work in the fields literally get red necks from being out in the sun all day. Just like the term "cock" is not necessarily derogatory or offensive, as the word  has been used for centuries as an element of English surnames, ( Badcock, Hancock,Whistlecock, etc.).

                It is also synonymous with  "rooster". Many words are seen as offensive simply because an individual chooses to interpret them that way. This usually stems from a lack of education. Furthermore, the man in the video, which I am sure you didn't watch, refers to himself as a redneck. Also,  he admits that he used to be a racist. He is living proof that all rednecks aren't stupid,evil, or unpleasant to be around.

                It's interesting that you would focus on the most superficial element of my post. I can't help you if you won't let me, and that goes for all of you who could benefit from someone who has taken the time to actually study a problem, rather than relying strictly on emotion, hearsay, and propaganda.   
                Here again is the link , maybe you will watch this time : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYM1o8QIk6c

                1. janesix profile image60
                  janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                  It's a derogatory term, and you know it.

                  1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
                    wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12384161_f1024.jpg

                    The people who put this reality TV show together didn't think redneck was a derogatory term. Neither did millions of fans.

                  2. R K Beran profile image60
                    R K Beranposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    I agree with janesix. I live in the Midwest. There's really no way around the fact that it is offensive. It implies social backwardness below-average intelligence.

                    The fact that a word is only perceived to be offensive makes it no less offensive. By WB's logic, the term "f*ggot" shouldn't be counted as offensive, derogatory remark to homosexuals, seeing as how the *original* meaning of the word was "bundle of sticks used for firewood".

                    "He is living proof that all rednecks aren't stupid,evil, or unpleasant to be around." --WB

                    ^ Well, you kind of shot yourself in the foot, as you try to explain away the offensiveness of the term “redneck”, by implying that rednecks would otherwise be associated with stupidity, evilness, and unpleasant company. Thanks, jerk.

            2. Writer Fox profile image81
              Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              Why do you still persist in the belief that the death of Freddie Gray had anything to do with racism?

              Baltimore City State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby announced yesterday that charges have been filed against six police officers in the death of Freddie Gray.  Have a look at the six officers:

              http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12385727.png

              A murder charge was only filed against one officer: the driver of the police van.  The driver was the only officer in the van and the City State's Attorney said that Gray suffered fatal injuries while in the police van transporting him (as yet unproven). There is still no mention of how the injuries occurred. 

              The charge against the driver is for second degree murder. Under Maryland law (Criminal Code § 2-204), a second degree murder must be intentional. "Murder requires a criminal state of mind – whether it be premeditation, ill will, hatred, spite; it’s what differentiates murder from manslaughter", according to Alex Ferrer, a former police officer, attorney and  judge. The charges may not stand up during the preliminary hearing.

              Was that officer some white supremacist who premeditated killing a black man, or did he have ill will, hatred or spite against black people?

              The officer driving the van and the only officer charged with murder is himself a black man.
              http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … acked.html

              1. rhamson profile image76
                rhamsonposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                "The officer driving the van and the only officer charged with murder is himself a black man."

                If this is your evidence that the crime perpetrated by the police was not racially motivated then you have missed the point entirely. The charge is in essence against the police department. For years the department has been under fire for its prejudicial arrests and treatment of black people. Because the police officer that is being charged with murder is black does not mean the crime was not racially motivated. Freddy Gray was taken down by White officers as well who deemed it necessary to place him under arrest. That just began the whole thing in motion. A profiled man arrested and transported by a cop who is now being charged with defending Gray's death. The thing began as a racially motivated judgment against a black man that resulted in abuse by another black man, a police officer in this case. The cop had a choice to question the charges and proof against Freddy Gray but instead continued the violation of this now dead mans rights.

                1. Writer Fox profile image81
                  Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                  No evidence whatsoever has been presented that Gray's arrest was "racially motivated" or that "the thing began as a racially motivated judgment against a black man" or that there was "abuse by another black man."  And, nobody has been charged with "defending Gray's death."  No charges have been brought "against the police department."  You said "the cop had a choice to question the charges and proof."  No, he didn't.  Gray was never formally charged because he was dead when he was brought to the police station.  You are jumping to way too many conclusions.

                  None of what you said in this post has anything to do with the riots and certainly is not justification for the riots. The cause of death had not even been determined when the riots started.  In fact, it is still unknown just how the injuries occurred.

                  1. rhamson profile image76
                    rhamsonposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    I can only lead you to the trough my friend. Your perspective is what continues the prejudice and misconceptions. While you are looking for a smoking gun, if you understand the analogy, you are ignoring the history.

              2. Don W profile image83
                Don Wposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                I believe wrenchbiscuit is making the point that this case stems from a mindset that black lives DON'T matter, or somehow matter less. And this mindset is a consequence of white supremacist ideology which is pervasive in society. As such the color of those responsible is irrelevant. ANYONE can act in a way that supports and protects the status quo, even those who are part of the group that are negatively affected by it. In other words, a black person can internalize white supremacist ideology and adopt attitudes and behaviour that perpetuates it, just as much as a white person can. I'm sorry but your argument doesn't stand up.

                1. Writer Fox profile image81
                  Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                  There is absolutely no evidence to support that.  If you have some evidence for that, please post it.  Deliberate vandalism, robbery, arson and assault have to do with a mindset that no lives matter.

                  Half of the Baltimore police force is black; the Chief of Police in Baltimore is black; the mayor of Baltimore to whom the Chief of Police reports is black.  I don't think any of them "internalize white supremacist ideology and adopt attitudes and behaviour that perpetuates it."

                  Since you don't live in America, you may not understand American society well.

                  1. Don W profile image83
                    Don Wposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    All the information you need is available at your fingertips (but I'm guessing you won't try to find it). Does that mean all police officers involved in police brutality against African Americans have made a conscious and deliberate decision to cause harm because the victim is black? Of course not. That is what YOU are implying, and it's ridiculous. You don't have to be consciously biased to hold attitudes and assumptions about race that perpetuate white supremacist ideology.

                    What color are these children? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkpUyB2xgTM
                    Listen to what the black children are saying, and understand what it tells us. It tells us is that white supremacist ideology is pervasive and insidious. It is not about people deliberately and consciously being racist. It is about how cultural norms about "good"/"bad", "attractive"/"unattractive" are established and maintained. Everyone who lives in a society where such ideology exists will be affected by it, regardless of color, and whether they are conscious of it or not. And no that doesn't mean everyone is deliberately racist. It means everyone, regardless of color, has the capacity to make assumptions based on race. The difference is that a social group that has political, and economic dominance over another group is in a position to exploit, abuse and be unjust towards that other group. It's much more difficult for the group being oppressed to do the same. Unless of course you just think all these children are deliberate racists? Do you? If not, then explain their comments.

                    And yes there are black politicians, even a black President! And no of course not every black politician is complicit in the perpetuation of white supremacist ideology, and that's not what I said. In many cases black politicians are struggling to contend with the social problems they are faced with, and why wouldn't they be? Do you think because the Mayor of Baltimore is black, she can magically solve the socio-economic conditions that stem from white supremacist ideology? Or because the Chief of Police is black he can magically reverse the effects of hundreds of years of racial bias in society? Or because Officer Goodson is black that he is incapable of making assumptions based on race? Pointing out black people in positions of authority as if their existence somehow negates the existence of white supremacist ideology, betrays your ignorance of what that ideology actually is and how it works.  I won't criticise you for that because we all have room to learn. But I will criticise you for parading that ignorance as knowledge though.

                    (And no, making assumptions about where I have lived, where I currently live, or where I am going to live, doesn't help your argument. It still doesn't stand up).

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    thesage25posted 19 months ago

    i feel you but they also need to be out there so that thenation and the government recognize that this cannot go on, and that changes need to be made in policies having to do with police, but in particular white police. I don"t agree with all their actions but i applaud them.

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    emgrayposted 19 months ago

    No change has ever come in this country without forcing the status quo to recognize there is a problem. If you oversimplify your perspective on this you ignore history and you become complicit to the institutionalized racism of the present and future.

    1. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      First you have to prove that there is "institutionalized racism", which no one in this thread has proven so far.

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        But there IS institutionalized racism.  When you are forced to hire based on skin color (race) rather than qualifications or provide limited educational opportunities based on race, it can be nothing else.  And both are still going on.

        1. janesix profile image60
          janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          Well that's true.

      2. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
        wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12389703.jpg

        The irony is sufficient to bring me to a state of nausea, after which I will probably start to hallucinate. This thread has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt the depth of institutionalized racism in this society, by featuring a majority who choose to ignore the  state of the world around them, and who refuse to accept the historical record of the last 500+ years. We are drowning in proof, yet Jed, Jethro, Ellie Mae, and Granny  clamor for more.

        This is nothing new. I have read many works by 18th and 19th century clergy, and secular writers alike, that claimed the evils of slavery were simply an exaggeration, and that slavery was actually good for the African, as it allowed him to learn the more refined ways of the European, through discipline and humility I am sure that many on this thread are actually blood relatives to these "scholars"; those who even used God to justify their depravity.

        1. R K Beran profile image60
          R K Beranposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          WB, I'm kind of disappointed. You were doing so well. I don't mean that sarcastically--I could tell that you were trying in your last couple of posts; the attitude change was refreshing. But why switch from priding yourself in not making personal attacks to insinuating that people in this forum who disagree with you are secretly praising slavery?

          I don't think that many would argue that institutionalized racism isn't real. Affirmative Action alone proves that it is, and that's just one example among many.

          There are, however, many (like myself) who think that several hundred years of slavery (which no American alive has had to endure and no American alive has instigated) and several hundred years of intense race-based oppression (which certainly few people under 40-50 have been affected by in any meaningful way) are BS excuses for why a black American today isn't as equally capable of succeeding or failing as anyone else (and equally capable of exercising free agency and taking personal responsibility for his or her own life and actions).

          ^ Uff da! I apologize for the length of that sentence.

          If the goal is for black communities (and black Americans in general) to be able to improve their circumstances (and I don't think we disagree that this needs to happen in many places), that can only happen when people replace their excuses with personal accountability.

          It only happens when people stop pretending that the things that some of our grandparents (add as many "greats" as you care to) may have done to each other is somehow writing the course of their lives in stone.

          A kid getting straight D's in school doesn't improve his GPA by complaining about how a long history of unfair "privilege" is why the "A"-students get A's and that their success is relentlessly "oppressing" him into bad grades; he improves by buckling down and studying like pretty much every other student has had to do to be successful.

          1. rhamson profile image76
            rhamsonposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            "BS excuses for why a black American today isn't as equally capable of succeeding or failing as anyone else"

            I think this is the crux of the matter. How is equality measured when the school system you go to is substandard and your subsequent education is unable to allow you to compete with others who have an above average education to rise above you? You may say move out of that neighborhood and improve your chances. With what resources is this available to the poor? How about a job when your skin color precludes you from an equal chance? Yes it still goes on and I have seen it up front and personal.Just for a minute, throw out the educational and work options available for the black population and look at the crooked politicians that come out of these neighborhoods. What you have is elected black politicians who run around paying lip service to their constituency all the while making themselves richer. Baltimore has a whole crop of them right up to the top.These guys and gals are running around trying to quell the riot for what? To protect their positions and show that they have control of their charges. These guys should be run out of office on a rail. This farce of legal equality may make white America feel good about themselves and soothe the guilt of past slavery but the remnants of slavery feelings still exist and while not practiced outwardly is an internal struggle many whites wish to think does play out anymore.

            1. R K Beran profile image60
              R K Beranposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              rhamson, I would appreciate it that if you're going to quote me, you quote me in context.

              You have cited problems arising form underfunded or lacking education, poverty, and legal representation--all things that have nothing to do with slavery or the extreme racial oppression of bygone eras. I feel that if you'd actually read all that I wrote, you'd have noticed that I didn't say that black Americans have no legitimate reasons for their problems. I only said that slavery and 1960's-esque racial oppression were BS excuses.

              I don't feel like you can count being black as a disadvantage when looking for a job when Affirmative Action is specifically designed to give blacks (and other racial minorities) preference in hiring, even in situations where they may be under-qualified.

              I've yet to see one company (or college, for that matter) willing to show that same lopsided preference for whites. When have you ever heard of a college or business telling a black applicant, "Sorry, it's just that we're only accepting/hiring whites right now so we can meet our quota"?

              "This farce of legal equality may make white America feel good about themselves and soothe the guilt of past slavery..."

              White America has no reason to need to make itself feel better about slavery because white Americans today have no reason to feel guilty about slavery. We took no part in it. A good number of white families (like mine) weren't even in the country till after slavery was abolished.

              I'm not going to feel guilty for something I had no part or say in just because I'm equally white as the people who did. In the same way, no black person should be expected to feel guilty because some other, unrelated black person's great-great grandfather, say, robbed a bank in 1896.

              1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
                wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

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                Whenever racial injustice or inequality is mentioned, many white Americans will usually respond as follows:

                • " Why should I feel guilty?"

                First of all, nowhere on this thread has anyone stated directly, or implied that white Americans should feel  guilty about the plight of the African on this continent. But I will explain why some feel a need to express their innocence. When an individual's identity, or their definition of self is greatly influenced by  racism, nationalism, or xenophobia, any criticism directed at others who may appear to belong to the same class, race, or group, is interpreted as a direct attack upon their own character, when in truth, someone may simply be stating a fact.

                For instance, if I speak of institutionalized racism, or a system of white supremacy. I am not suggesting that working class, or poor whites are responsible for laying the foundation of the system, as that would be ludicrous. The poor and the working class have always been subservient  to the ruling elite. The system was set in place by the European aristocracy. What the poor and working class whites do is to  help maintain and perpetuate the system, either through, apathy and denial, or through acceptance and direct action. This is not surprising, since a majority of Americans , white and black, will defend the state's right to number each citizen as a commodity, parcel the land into divisions of real estate that only the wealthiest can afford, and perpetually enslave the masses to a wage. The genius of this system is that it is self regulating, and self perpetuating. The average American citizen is most likely not even aware that they are being used and manipulated by the ruling class. Save for the fact that the average human can speak a language, and has prehensile hands, there is not much difference between human society, or a herd of livestock, whether that society be in Harlem, or Beverly Hills.

                Rather than feel guilty, white Americans should feel angry about bending over for so many years, and only dreaming of vaseline.

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                  LOL  Your "system" of a ruling class coupled with a poorer and working class has been instituted on every continent and by every race on earth.  That the current style and particulars in this country originated in Europe means nothing.  Had it not been for the "system" we might still be sacrificing people to Huitzilopochtili.  Or, alternatively, starving while cattle roam the streets.  Or feeding Christians to the lions. 

                  Overall, I'd have to say that the European system or capitalism has benefited the greatest number of people, and with the greatest good.

                  1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
                    wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

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                    Your lack of acceptance or understanding does not change the facts. Apparently, as long as someone is making money, you call it progress. But the numbers don't lie. Human sacrifice is still practiced today, for the same old reasons, but  only in a different form. Of course, human sacrifice occurred in the past, but it was greatly exaggerated by the conquistadors. It is also important to note that a majority of the First Nations did not practice human sacrifice.

                    In the past people were sacrificed to appease the gods so that a drought would end, or that there would be a good harvest etc..  In other words, people were sacrificed for some form of material gain. It is the same today. Only today people are sacrificed for money.

                    • In 1925 the number of annual  traffic fatalities exceeded 20,000 in the United States. Since then it has steadily climbed, and fluctuated. Since 1963 the annual U.S. traffic fatalities have averaged around 40,000. Of course traffic related injuries are even higher. In 2013 there were over 2 million traffic related injuries, many of which caused permanent disability.

                    • It has been estimated that worldwide, by 2020 road traffic deaths and injuries will exceed HIV/AIDS as a burden of death and disability.

                    • Nearly a million children worldwide die every year as a result of unintentional injuries, and the biggest killer is traffic accidents, according to a report from the World Health Organization.

                    The report said MVC's, followed by drowning, fires and burns, falls, and poisoning, are the five major causes of unintentional injuries. About 830,000 children under 18 die every year, and millions more children suffer disabling injuries that could have been prevented, says Dr. Etienne Krug, the director of the Department of Injuries and Violence Prevention at WHO.

                    Of course the populace has been brainwashed into believing that traffic fatalities are a fact of life, and that traffic fatalities are just the cost of doing business. The human cost; in flesh and blood. The majority have accepted this : hook,line, and sinker. The drunk driver has been demonized and used as a convenient smoke screen. But the truth is that there is no such thing as a safe automobile. The truth is that the majority of MVC's are caused by motorists who are not intoxicated. The truth is that the automobile industry, the oil companies, the insurance companies, and cities that collect millions in annual revenue from traffic fines, all profit from the carnage.

                    Rather than promote mass transit on a large scale, the system has purposely been designed around the private automobile. to maximize profits, as well as to better control the populace. But what is most interesting is that a majority of  those who profit from the automobile also assume the same risks. This tells us that convenience can easily become an addiction, and just like a heroin addict, Americans will risk their lives everyday for that convenience.  The sad part is that with the current infrastructure, a nationwide mass transit system would be nearly as convenient as the private automobile.  And yes, it is affordable!  According to CNN Money: U.S. MVC's cost: $164.2 billion each year.! This money would be better spent on mass transit.

                    But this is only one of the many evils of capitalism. Another would be the high cancer rates of the last 60 years due to food additives and other industry related toxins. Yes , human sacrifice is alive and well. Of course you probably call traffic fatalities "accidents". But an accident is something that happens unexpectedly. Traffic fatalities and MVC's are predictable events. No one can say who and where, but we can be certain that by the end of this year, between 30-40,000 people will have died as the result of a traffic fatality. No, there is nothing; there is no convenience, or amount of money worth all of this unnecessary death and heartache. But of course, there is a difference between a human being, and a reptile.

              2. rhamson profile image76
                rhamsonposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                "things that have nothing to do with slavery or the extreme racial oppression of bygone eras."

                "I didn't say that black Americans have no legitimate reasons for their problems. I only said that slavery and 1960's-esque racial oppression were BS excuses."

                I did not take anything out of context. I only cited your conclusions. It is funny how dismissive you are of the history and continued harsh feelings that pervade our society and its treatment of, in societies actions, to the lesser people in our country. You just cannot take 200 years of slavery where society treated a people like cattle, bred them for their strength and subservient characteristics and sold their progeny off in auctions to the destruction of a cohesive family unit. Then once "FREED" or an action that resembled it because of their conditioning, left them to Jim Crow laws to fend for themselves.

                "I don't feel like you can count being black as a disadvantage when looking for a job when Affirmative Action is specifically designed to give blacks (and other racial minorities) preference in hiring, even in situations where they may be under-qualified."

                Affirmative action only refers to large companies and government criteria outlined under E.O.E. laws. The largest contingent of jobs in the US are of small business' where E.O.E. does not apply.

                "When have you ever heard of a college or business telling a black applicant, "Sorry, it's just that we're only accepting/hiring whites right now so we can meet our quota"?"

                Never on paper or in a recording because they would open themselves up to all sorts of litigation.

                "White America has no reason to need to make itself feel better about slavery because white Americans today have no reason to feel guilty about slavery. We took no part in it. A good number of white families (like mine) weren't even in the country till after slavery was abolished."

                Once again dismissive of the problem and it ramifications. So many "Patriots" beat on their chest and tell us all what a great country the USA is in its ethics of equality and freedom when the truth is that we enslaved a race to help the southern white plantation owners to become immensely wealthy. In addition to enslaving a race of people we destroyed their social structure, family unit, dreams and ambition. Sure some and in some cases many have risen above the rest but in most cases these people were extraordinary individuals. 

                "I'm not going to feel guilty for something I had no part or say in just because I'm equally white as the people who did."

                Oh I believe this just from your statements and demeanor.  Your response borders on a sociopath reasoning as related to the past and how inconvenient feelings of humility and understanding might get in the way. In other words screw the past because I was not there?

                "In the same way, no black person should be expected to feel guilty because some other, unrelated black person's great-great grandfather, say, robbed a bank in 1896."

                Totally different reasoning when referencing a total societies feelings and dealings of enslaving and using a portion of their society to serve them even though the enslaved did nothing to warrant the injustices heaped on them. Your convenient dismissing of those actions alone are inexcusable.

                1. janesix profile image60
                  janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                  How long do you recommend that white people feel guilt about slavery? Would another hundred years do for you? Or maybe two hundred? How long do they have to wait before you are satisfied with their level of guilt?

                  1. Writer Fox profile image81
                    Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    +1  Slavery had nothing to do with the riots in Baltimore.

                  2. rhamson profile image76
                    rhamsonposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    "How long do you recommend that white people feel guilt about slavery?"

                    As long as it takes to allow those enslaved as a race in the past have a reparation of their place in the mainstream of this country. If you cannot make the connection of how the dismemberment of their place in society was established and until just fifty years ago was recognized then you cannot understand the problem.A sub culture of these people has been established in absence of opportunity and responsible assimilation into this society. With recent riots, demonstrations, looting and marches nothing has changed in the fifty years that MLK was killed. A conversation needs to have two parties to agree there is a problem and what that problem is before any reparation or change can take place.

      3. Don W profile image83
        Don Wposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Then what are YOU suggesting is the reason for these problems? It SOUNDS like you (and others) are saying that black people are the problem. Is that what you're saying?

        1. janesix profile image60
          janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          Absolutely not. All poor culture in America is the result of the same thing. The huge percentage of fathers abandoning families is the main problem I believe. Nearly fifty percent in whites and 70 percent in blacks(in poor communities, not in the entire population). It's not really a black or white issue at all. It's a cultural issue. It has a lot to do with what's on the Internet and what's on TV too. Our youth are growing up without any sense of purpose and poor morals. It shows more in the black community because there is a higher percentage of blacks that are poor per population. Although the gap is quickly closing.

          1. Writer Fox profile image81
            Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            In 1940, the illegitimacy rate for black babies was about 14%.  Today, it is 75%. In 2014, 72% of all black children were living in homes without a father.

            According to this report from Allan C. Brownfeld, J.D.  "Children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime. They are nine times more likely to drop out of schools and 20 times more likely to end up in prison."

            Living without a father in the home does not mean that the father is not involved in their children's lives.  On the contrary, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports that black fathers (in the home or not) are more involved with their kids than white or Latino dads.  Go figure.

            There are two reasons why single parent homes played a part in the riots in Baltimore. One reason is that, according to the Maryland Department of Human Resources, in the four Baltimore ZIP Codes where the rioting occurred, there are about 3,000 men who collectively own more than $40 million in back child support payments. This forces children to depend upon and expect welfare payments to support them instead of their parents. If the child doesn't have all that he needs or wants, he thinks the government or the system is to blame.

            The second reason is marriage itself.  When a child grows up without parents who love each other and are committed to each other and are planning their future together, it adversely affects their children's lives emotionally, not just financially.  That is the single difference between most black children and most white children in America.

            The decision to have children out-of-wedlock and to not support those children financially is not the result of racism, or white supremacy theories, or past slavery, or oppression.  In an age where birth control is an option available for free to the poor, the parents are solely responsible for these decisions and no one else.  These parents are the ones to blame, and no one else. The statistics show that Beyoncé was right: "If you liked it, then you shoulda put a ring on it."

            1. rhamson profile image76
              rhamsonposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              "The decision to have children out-of-wedlock and to not support those children financially is not the result of racism, or white supremacy theories, or past slavery, or oppression."

              Well stated by someone who looks at the problem from the outside. Is this your statement or an extrapolation of the truth from your theories? Or is it just convenient to have an opinion of something you view from overseas?

          2. Don W profile image83
            Don Wposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            The thing is, I agree. I think the things you mention are definitely part of the problem. Most of all, I agree when you say it has a lot to do with poverty, so it impacts black people more because a higher percentage of black people are poor. The difference is that I ALSO think racial bias within important social structures and institutions is a factor, and makes the problem even worse.

            Given the evidence that shows racial bias exists within the court system(1), education(2), law enforcement(3), employment(4) and finance(5), I think it's unreasonable to believe that a) racial bias doesn't exist and b) that this racial bias is not part of the problem. For me (and others I suspect) it is this blatant denial of absolute facts that makes your position so incomprehensible. I genuinely cannot fathom why you insist racial bias is not part of the problem.

            Notes:
            (1) black men are given longer prison sentences than white men for the same crime, even when they have a similar criminal history;
            (2) black children are suspended from school more often than white children for the same behavior;
            (3) people with African-American-sounding names get 50% less call backs than those with white-sounding names when sending out a CV with the same employment and education history.
            (4) black people searched more often than white people when stopped by police, even though statistics show more white people carrying contraband.
            (5) "During the bubble, minority borrowers were much likelier than white borrowers to end up with high-priced subprime mortgages, even when their incomes and credit scores were similar. Such loans often set those borrowers up to fail. The National Community Reinvestment Coalition recently found that in Washington, D.C., minority homeowners were far more likely to go into foreclosure than white owners with similar credit scores and loan sizes."(Refinancing Bias: Does Race Play a Factor - Woodstock Institute)

        2. R K Beran profile image60
          R K Beranposted 19 months ago in reply to this

          So because I said that I believe the slavery in the US (which no black person alive has had to endure) and 1960s-esque racial oppression (which nobody under 40-50 years old has been meaningfully affected by) are two BS excuses for black Americans today, that somehow automatically means that I'm blaming blacks for all their problems?

          Wow. Jump to conclusions much?

          There are several reasons for these problems. Breakdown of family structure, gangs, low income, demographics, state of the local economy, underfunded schools, etc. But if you'll notice, none of these things are *intrinsic* to being black. In fact, they have little-to-nothing to do with race. Period. Any white, Hispanic, Asian, or other community would be negatively affected in similar ways under the same conditions.

          Communities of any race will experience more joblessness, homelessness, crime, and violence when they live in a predominately low-income area where schools are underfunded, the local economy is weak, crime isn't effectively dealt with, gang violence goes unchecked etc.

          Because the effects of the consequences are universally transferable, they can't be innately linked to being of any one particular race.

          1. Don W profile image83
            Don Wposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            Wow. Defensive much?

            I'm asking, not telling, which suggests I'm seeking clarification not jumping to conclusions. As I said to janesix, I absolutely agree that those issues you and she mention do contribute to the social problems under discussion, but I ALSO think racial bias is a factor (see my comment to her for examples).

            Also, it's not enough to just say all these things are factors, and leave it there. You have to ask WHY do proportionally more black people live in poverty? WHY is the income of African Americans 77% of white Americans? WHY is the wealth of African Americans 5% of the wealth of white Americans? WHY do gangs exist and thrive in urban areas? WHY and HOW is the family structure being broken down? Those questions will inevitably lead you to the criminal justice system and law enforcement,  education, employment and finance and that is where you WILL start to see the problems that are specific to skin color. It's also where your denials about race being a factor, gets into the realm of denying facts. And that is where your position loses credibility in my eyes (and I suspect the eyes of others too). This adamant rejection that racial bias has anything to do with the social issues mentioned is frankly irrational in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.

            1. Writer Fox profile image81
              Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              Nothing excuses the riot in Baltimore, burning down your own neighborhood, damaging or destroying 200 neighborhood businesses and places of employment, burning 144 vehicles, robbing, assaulting, raising insurance premiums for everyone in the neighborhood, etc.  That riot caused millions of dollars in damages and will set that neighborhood behind for decades to come. Racists didn't destroy that neighborhood; black street thugs did.

              1. rhamson profile image76
                rhamsonposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                What has peaceful voting or demonstrating done to bring the causes to light? What has petitioning and applications for employment in principally white business done to improve their lot? The answer is, through rioting, has said nothing. Once the cameras were turned off only because the rioting has stopped the issues surrounding these riots are slowly dissipating just as the politicians want it to and with it the causes for the unrest. A lot of lip service is being applied to shut this down. Time will tell whether another invitation to the cameras will be needed to get something done.

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                  And what has riotiing done to improve their lot?  Besides driving away the businesses they want to work at, that is? 

                  Well, it increases crime.  It destroys business opportunities.  It scares away the people that could make a difference.  It raises taxes.  And, at the top of the list, it increases the power of idiots like Sharpton that use race and rage to grow their business.

                  1. rhamson profile image76
                    rhamsonposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    So what! They never lost something they never had. The thing they did gain was attention. And that attention is the fear from neighborhoods that have the fat and happy ignoring the problem. Maybe that fear will at least start a conversation. By the way they never had that before either.

                    As Thomas Jefferson wrote to James Madison, " A little rebellion now and then is a good thing"

              2. Don W profile image83
                Don Wposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                Understanding WHY someone takes a particular action, is not the same as EXCUSING that action. You seem to be confusing the two. Recognizing ALL the factors that lead to such behaviour is part of understanding the problem. Suggesting that the ONLY motivation for those riots was pure thuggery is just a plain lie. While it's true that SOME of the rioters no doubt were simple opportunists, it's also undoubtedly true that others were trying to make some kind of political statement, and others still were actively trying  to STOP the violence. Unfortunately that doesn't fit in with your narrative of "black street thugs" so it's conveniently overlooked.

                And I'm sorry, but the perpetuation of racial bias (either intentionally or unintentionally) is ONE OF the factors behind the socio-economic conditions that spark such riots. Ignoring that really isn't going to help the situation..

            2. R K Beran profile image60
              R K Beranposted 19 months ago in reply to this

              Apologies if that came across as needlessly defensive. I saw your all-caps and interpreted your original question as being snarkier than it seems you intended. My bad.

  43. kimberlyfriend profile image59
    kimberlyfriendposted 19 months ago

    I have to ask , Are we Americans comfortable with Violence incited justice. With people who jump to make arrests based on groups who choose violence rather than peaceful protests? Granted a trial must happen, following a complete investigation but it must not be politically motivated, it must not be tried in public opinion. It must also be equaled out in accountability. The people who rioted in Baltimore or any other state must also be held accountable for the violence they visited upon Baltimore.
    We must also consider the fact that it should not be allowed to be a race issue. It should be a human issue, a human being died, were the police at fault or responsible? It should make no difference what color the person was.
    I can admit that at times police have become very aggressive when making arrests but I have to admit to myself that being an officer today has become very difficult. The violence on the streets today has become intolerable. Police officers must consider every time they step out of their homes in the morning that their chances of dying are high… They must consider that every move they make may be brought into question, they must consider that ever word they say may be brought under scrutiny.
    They must also consider that they may be retaliated against for the actions of other officers, such as the Brooklyn man, Brinsley who stated to his Instagram followers, “burn the flag” in protest of the recent police killings of black men. “Marching up and down the streets does little to nothing to bring awareness to serious matters,” he wrote. “So let’s ruffle some feathers and take it into our own hands and make them watch in horror as we burn what they represent.” (BY Tina Moore, 2014) Before he shot his girlfriend and killed officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu in their squad car.
    This brings questions to the mentality of the Baltimore riots, rather than peacefully demonstrate for the questionable death of a man, they choose the mentality of Brinsley, lets burn Baltimore, loot and terrify “them”. I am sorry this is when justice is no longer about justice, this is when justice becomes something tainted and unbalanced. Who pays for the lives lost or the injuries sustained in street violence?
    Are we as Americans white, black, red, etc. going to accept that a death means more or is worse than another, or justifies violent retaliation, because of race?
    Disarm the police, are people insane? Just who do people think will be armed? Do people believe that police will come to their aid if they are unable to protect themselves or the person who made the call? It’s just plain ignorant.
    How about this: maybe the officers of the US should just throw down their arms, walk out and let the American people protect and serve themselves! Maybe these people would like to familiarize themselves with the martial law of the military when mayhem breaks out. Maybe they would like to meet the neighborhood thug up close and personal with no one to call for help! Personally I would much rather deal with my local police officer than my government! Wake up America, this is what our current government is hoping for! American initiated martial law!!!
    If we the American people do not wake up we are going to find ourselves in the midst of a civil war within our own borders which in turn will lead to the fall of our nation by other countries who will attack us when we are too busy defending ourselves to fight back! People we have terrorist living in our back yards waiting for that vulnerable moment to strike!

  44. kimberlyfriend profile image59
    kimberlyfriendposted 19 months ago

    oops sorry it posted twice

  45. Irene Villani profile image61
    Irene Villaniposted 19 months ago

    The black people should be yes arrested if they done wrong but not killed because of racist police.
    Hats off to that mum that stopped her son even if she hit him .

  46. Writer Fox profile image81
    Writer Foxposted 19 months ago

    http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12392843.jpg

    This is a white man, dressed as a red man, trying to wear a white face, painted like a scary savage, with an evil black wendigo who eats his own people perched on his brain and symbolizing his madness.  Tonto says "How. How this riot happen? Tonto think white man no share money."

    "Not true" says Kemosabe, who knows very well that 'Tonto' means 'fool' in Spanish.  Kemosabe Obama (who lives in a big White House and likes to be called a black man even though he is really a biracial Mulatto – but, hey, that's OK, he can call himself whatever he wants just like Bruce Jenner can call himself a woman even though he has all those male parts dangling you-know-where and he still has that Y chromosome in every cell of his body) threw a whole bunch of money at the problem.

    Obama created the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) way back in 2009 which gave $831 billion to poor communities to immediately save and create jobs, to provide relief programs for those impacted by the recession, to expand unemployment benefits and social welfare, and to directly invest in infrastructure, education, and health.

    Baltimore City received over $1.8 billion!  The exact amount sent to Baltimore was $1,831,768,487.  That's a whole lotta wampum! In fact, that's $12,358 for every man, woman and child below the poverty line. Baltimore got $467.1 million to specifically invest in education and $26.5 million for crime prevention. And that's on top of all the other government assistance 60% of Baltimore residents receive, like the free breakfasts and lunches over 85% of Baltimore's kids get every day in school.

    And all that federal money is on top of money Baltimore County already invests from tax revenues. The income tax in Baltimore County (3.2%) is double the rate of the rest of Maryland and sales tax is 6%.

    "The Baltimore school system ranks second among the nation’s 100 largest school districts in how much it spent per pupil at $15,700 per student. Only NYC spends more."

    Baltimore City (with a black School Superintendent and a black School Board) spends $188,000 per student over their 12-year education. That's an annual tuition of $15,666 – much more than most private schools charge!

    All that money invested in education results in 1/3 of Baltimore's students failing to graduate from high school and, of those who take the test, SAT scores below the national average by more than 100 points in reading, writing and math. Those are the best results money can achieve to solve the problems.

    All that money spent on education is to help kids make something of their lives and the results are a violent crime rate that is 370% higher than the U.S. rate.

    Rev. Donte L. Hickman Sr., black pastor of the Southern Baptist Church in Baltimore, worked for five years to secure grants and funding from the big White House program to build a low-cost housing project for 61 low-income senior citizens and a community center for job training, housing counseling and other services.  The buildings were in the process of construction when the riots started.  This is what they looked like on April 27:

    http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/12392844.png

    Here's what they looked like the day after the riots:
    http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12392845.png

    Here's one of the thugs wearing a first-class gas mask to protect himself from the smoke of arsonist's fires and from smoke bombs hurled at police:
    http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/12392848.jpg

    He was caught on camera slashing the water hoses fire fighters were using to put out the fire in the CVS pharmacy during the riots. Why did he do that?  Because he wanted his neighborhood to burn down and he wanted dozens of employees in his neighborhood to lose their jobs. Were these just kids too young to be fully responsible for their delinquent behavior? Of the 235 rioters arrested so far, only 34 are juveniles.

    And these weren't people behaving like animals. Animals don't foul their own nests; only humans do that. These riots are like what the reviewer said about 'The Lone Ranger' sequel: "It's a noisy, never-ending nonsensical mess, which easily tops the flops. It's flogging a dead horse."

    Say 'Ugh', Tonto.

    1. Buildreps profile image95
      Buildrepsposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      Perhaps it's only me, but I don't get your point...

      1. Writer Fox profile image81
        Writer Foxposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        That's Ok.  You'd have to read back through 19 pages on this thread to understand.

  47. PrettyPanther profile image87
    PrettyPantherposted 19 months ago

    That is a blatant misrepresentation of my position. I am chuckling as I type the phrase "I do not support criminals!" since I am quite certain you already know that.  I understand your desire to mischaracterize my views in order to make them easier to refute, even though I cannot justify your behavior.

  48. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 19 months ago

    I don't believe you could be more wrong about romanticizing rioters !   Had you made some distinction between  all out rioting and conscientious  protesting  , I might allow you room to somehow romanticize rioting ,however ,  every time I watch thugs  with hoods pulled over their head's ,[ and this is where you compare rioters with soldiers in black ! ]     I  realize just  how ashamed that I have become of Americans .  My own country.

    NO, there is a huge difference between the patriot who believes enough in his country , his political view's  and  their outcomes  , And the mindless  thug who follows the parade  into the protection of darkness   to loot ,to pilfer,   to rape  and  reduce his neighbors livelihood to something less than  some  jungle mentality .

    There is a huge difference in the ideal's  of  a patriot  like   John Adams  and that of the Michael Browns of our society .   And yet so many like  you  chose to romanticize  the wrong one's again and again .  No my friend,  it doesn't surprise me much that there ARE those like you who simply group together  to two very different categories of these kinds .      This reasoning is exactly why  the idealistic intentions of patriotic few -are totally compromised  by the others who are  blind to  these realities .

    1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
      wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

      http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/12400322_f1024.jpg

      Yes, there is a huge difference between the patriot who believes in his country , his political view's,  and  their outcomes, and the rioters in Baltimore. Their is also a huge difference between their ancestors. The ancestor of the patriot chose to rape, murder, and steal. The ancestor of the patriot chose to force the Indigenous onto reservations .

      The ancestor of the patriot chose to continue the institution of slavery because he was too lazy to do the work himself, or too greedy to pay someone. The grandfather of the patriot chose to continue discriminating against minorities, even after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Today,the patriot chooses to continue a legacy of evil, disparity, and injustice that can only lead to more violence and unrest.

      In comparison, it appears the so-called "thugs" in Baltimore are the lesser of two evils. In fact, they don't even come close. Viva Las Vegas!

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Because...what the ancestor did is put onto the current people?  Sorry, MY world does not work that way - each person is responsible for their actions, but not the actions of strangers from hundreds of years ago.

        1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
          wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

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          Are we on the same planet? As far as I know, 1964 wasn't hundreds of years ago, and your spin could use a little grease. Since my post was unusually brief, it is hard for anyone to miss my comment about the continuation of an evil legacy. Furthermore, aren't you the one who informed the world, not so long ago, that you grew up in a trailer park? When you use the phrase "My world" , it suggests that you actually have some authority. But we all know that those who run this country, and the world, did not grow up in trailer parks. They don't even know how to spell  it.

          1. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 19 months ago in reply to this

            Nope - 1964 wasn't long ago.  And none of my ancestors alive in 1964 had anything to do with your "white supremacy".  Nor did I have anything to do with - I wasn't old enough to even vote them into power - and thus bear no responsibility for any of it.

            Close but no cigar on the trailer park - I didn't grow up in one...but my kids did.  I was already an adult at that point, doing what I could to better my life and theirs.  Worked, too - hard work and effort nearly always does.

            I have almost total control over "my world" - witness the refusal to accept your blame for what unknown persons long ago did.  Although there are many people wanting to blame anyone with a shortage of melanin for evils propagated long ago, I do not accept that blame.  I may have to live in the outside world were racism against white people is a fact, but no form or racism, against any race, will enter MY world.

            1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
              wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

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              Your refusal to accept any blame is telling on two counts. First of all, no one has blamed you for anything, so I do not understand why you insist on beating that drum. Secondly, whether you accept blame or not does not change the fact that you are benefiting from white privilege, and the evil legacy of those who came before.

              "Hard work" is meaningless, and will hardly improve the condition of a  slave in a system of tyranny. George Washington, and all of the others that many Americans like to refer to as "The Founding Fathers" did not champion the usefulness of "hard work" under British rule. Nor were they advocates of "peaceful protest". The people of Baltimore have made one step in the right direction; once they embrace, and implement the concepts of the Founding Fathers, perhaps they will experience, for the first time since 1865, some real progress.

              1. janesix profile image60
                janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                Progress would be cleaning up their crime-filled city of drugs and gang violence. That would be a step in the right direction.

              2. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                Sorry, but I've benefited from "white privilege" and "white supremacy" in the legalized racism called "affirmative action".  I've worked 50 hours per week while carrying a full college load and watched as others, based solely on race, were given a free ride through school.  I've been turned down for jobs, again based solely on race (and sex, for that matter).  I've watched as my son couldn't even submit a work application because he wasn't the right race.  None of it was pleasant and I decline to thank anyone for that wonderful privilege.

                1. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
                  wrenchBiscuitposted 19 months ago in reply to this

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                  Well, hold on to your hat wilderness. You think that's rough, just wait till black people are given the reparations they deserve for nearly  500 years of slavery, and tens of millions of acres of stolen land are returned to the First Nations. You might just have to pack up and go home to Europe.

                  1. wilderness profile image96
                    wildernessposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    For sure.  Any black (or any other race) deserving of "reparations" alive today should absolutely get it.  Fortunately, there are very few, and the poor, downtrodden and suppressed rioters at Baltimore aren't among them.

                    And I'd absolutely support giving ten million acres to the Indian nations if they had owned them in the first place, but they didn't.  They got the land the same way the Europeans did - by conquest.

                2. janesix profile image60
                  janesixposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                  "Though 10 percent of the U.S. civilian labor force, African-Americans are 18 percent of U.S. government workers. They are 25 percent of the employees at Treasury and Veterans Affairs, 31 percent of the State Department, 37 percent of Department of Education employees and 38 percent of Housing and Urban Development. They are 42 percent of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., 55 percent of the employees at the Government Printing Office and 82 percent at the Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency.

                  When the Obama administration suggested shutting down Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the mortgage giants whose losses of $150 billion have had to be made up by taxpayers, The Washington Post warned, in a story headlined, “Winding Down Fannie and Freddie Could Put Minority Careers at Risk,” that 44 percent of Fannie employees and 50 percent of Freddie’s were persons of color."

                  Affirmative Action at work.

                  http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/20 … mployment/

                  More of that "oppression" of course.

                  1. Credence2 profile image87
                    Credence2posted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    As the late Paul Harvey used to say, 'now for the rest of the story'....

                    Reading this post of yours prompted me to ask the question, why do blacks gravitate toward public sector employment?

                    Well,  a study done by UC Berkeley, entitled "Black Workers and the Public Sector" might shed some light.

                    This Ipad makes it difficult to copy and paste links, but it is found under google 

                    laborcenter.berkeley.edu.  You will discover the true meaning of those numbers that you throw around in such a cavalier fashion and you might actually learn something.

                    It is a short read, just 12 pages with a great deal of statistical data and more importantly the reasons why the numbers are where they are.

                    Blacks have favored public sector employment since Reconstruction, since they were the only ones offering them jobs. For me and others, the military and public sector were relatively fair and unbiased employers compared with the private sectors. But, of course, you would not know about that.....

                    But maybe you can relate to this, it turns out that the largest single employer of white females have been the public sector, so maybe whatever advantage blacks were seeking in the public sector, white women were looking for also?
                    It is in the report, Page 4 of 12- Table 5.

                    Throwing numbers around without taking the time to research their significance does not shed favorable light on your arguments.

                  2. rhamson profile image76
                    rhamsonposted 19 months ago in reply to this

                    "in 2004, the median net worth of white households was $134,280, compared with $13,450 for black households, according to an analysis of Federal Reserve data by the Economic Policy Institute. By 2009, the median net worth for white households had fallen 24 percent to $97,860; the median net worth for black households had fallen 83 percent to $2,170, according to the institute."

                    I guess this wasn't a convenient statistic to leave in your link. What jobs are the African Americans doing that warranted the much lesser salary? Or should they just be happy whitey gave them a job?

  49. Pawan Singh Negi profile image80
    Pawan Singh Negiposted 19 months ago

    riots can ruin the humanity for sure.

  50. maxoxam41 profile image80
    maxoxam41posted 18 months ago

    How many African Americans do they have to kill for us to rebel? How many lives shall they take for us to react?

    1. steve8miller profile image87
      steve8millerposted 18 months ago in reply to this

      Its not just blacks they are after the poor. They are going after Christians now people need to unite not divide. The mainstream media is purposely driving a message to the masses that the police can kill anyone with no consequence.

      This is textbook antagonizing in order to stir up racial tensions. God bless us all, pray for these police and media that they wake up, and pray for all those good people standing up to tyranny!

      The powers have a vested interest in creating riots and intolerance. This cannot stand to allow another cop to kill and walk away with no consequence sets a dangerous precedent. How long will it be until it sinks in to the police... They can kill anyone who challenges them with no consequence. We must hold mainstream media, local, State, and Federal government responsible.

      How they would love us to all start auguring and fighting with each other, when we do this they win. This is not a fight we the people want to loose. Millions of lives depend on people waking up turning the television off and going to these places to see what is really happening.

      My fathers friends son was killed by the police because he walked down the stairs with a cup in his hands during an invalid raid. They killed him and they did not even get demoted.

      They do not care what color you are, the racist media might care but police kill anyone who stands against them. We can only pray that the good police officers take back their country!

 
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