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Guns don't kill people, Terrorist do. What?

  1. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago

    In 2014, 34,000 gun related deaths happen in the USA and only 15 Citizen deaths by terrorist.

    How are Islamic countries a greater threat to America than their own people?

    1. Quilligrapher profile image90
      Quilligrapherposted 17 months ago in reply to this

      Howdy Castle!
      Would you please identify your source with a link.
      http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6919429.jpg

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

        Gunpolicy.org  facts

      2. promisem profile image95
        promisemposted 17 months ago in reply to this

        Quilligrapher, it's great to see people asking for the source of other people's information. I wish it happened more often around here.

    2. mrpopo profile image86
      mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

      Every year 450 deaths are caused by falling out of beds in the USA and only 15 deaths by terrorists.

      How are Islamic countries a greater threat to America than their own beds?


      That's how ridiculous you sound right now.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

        These numbers are from the (NCTC)
        I saw numbers like this over on the other thread with nobody was saying much except that fox. That fox that guards the FBI henhouse.

        Yes it is ridiculous when your furniture or a lighting bolts kills you greater than the terrorist killings on American soil.

        Not only that, the USA Military get 10 times the budget that of the education budget to chase these terrorist ghosts around the world and protect people at home. Plus pull you over in your cars checking for terrorist and from the most dangerious plant in the world called Cannabis.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

          A new spin on USA Military intelligence.

        2. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 17 months ago in reply to this

          Don't be ridiculous.  The education budgets of the US are far, far greater than that allocated for chasing terrorists.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

            What has been happening since 9/11.

            1. wilderness profile image95
              wildernessposted 17 months ago in reply to this

              We spend lots of time and effort preventing terrorism, almost none on preventing gun ownership.  Which should answer why there are more terrorism deaths than murders - there are just a few more gun owners in the US than terrorists that manage to get themselves and their weapons into the country undetected.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

                Show me the stats where death by terrorism out number death by homicide on the soil of USA.

        3. mrpopo profile image86
          mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

          So we should be dedicating resources against furniture more than against terrorists?

          Please just think for two seconds.

          How often does an American citizen use a bed? How often does that result in fatal injury?

          How often does an American citizen encounter a terrorist? How often does that result in fatal injury?

          If you answer the above questions it should tell you which is more dangerous.

      2. promisem profile image95
        promisemposted 17 months ago in reply to this

        Mrpopo, agree or disagree. Personal insults aren't necessary.

        1. mrpopo profile image86
          mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

          I don't see how the above was anything remotely close to a personal insult. He said something ridiculous, and I said "that's ridiculous."

          1. promisem profile image95
            promisemposted 17 months ago in reply to this

            You said, "That's how ridiculous YOU sound." You weren't saying the statement was ridiculous. You were saying he was ridiculous, which is why you used the word "you".

            1. mrpopo profile image86
              mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

              I said he "sounded" like he was ridiculous, not that he himself is ridiculous. If you are willing to get pedantic on such nonsense, at least be consistent.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

                Please do not major in minor things here.

                Please show us the facts to backup this nonsense claim comparing gun deaths and terrorist deaths on American soil?

                1. mrpopo profile image86
                  mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

                  If you'll notice, I wasn't the one who started the pedantry.

                  I have been repeatedly trying to illustrate to you the concept of fatality rate vs. mortality rate. One is an actual measure of risk taking into account the number of deaths per incident, the other is an aggregate total. Comparing the aggregate totals when they have different incidence rates is comparing apples to oranges.

                  Let's take dogs for example. Last year 42 people died in the US due to a dog attack. That means dogs are killing 3x as many US citizens as terrorists per year.

                  From the above information, do you think dogs are more lethal than terrorists?

                  You don't have enough information to make that conclusion. Dogs bite 4.5-4.7 million people per year in the US. Taking that into account, the fatality rate for a dog bite is a whopping 0.001%. Only 0.001% of dog bites were fatal in 2014.

                  Now do the same thing with terrorists. How many times do terrorists attack people per year in the US? How many of those attacks are fatal? Then find the fatality rate and compare the two on proper terms.

                  If terrorist attacks have a fatality rate of less than 0.001%, I'd be surprised. They'd be terrible at their job.

                  Edit: Should be 0.001%, not 0.00001%.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

                    Now American's death by dog is a reasonable rate, when we look at death by dog worldwide is 55,000 a year.

                    If America licence their guns like they do their dogs and cars, there would be a lot better story to tell.

                    Now death by bears is only 500
                    worldwide, yet we killed 40,000 bears for each bear that kill us. That's even
                    worst rate of death than the war in Iraq

                    The greatest con on the American public and worldwide is Corporatism creating
                    debt, running our lives and destorying the planet. 

                    Other huge waste is throw away
                    products, oversizeme houseing and food. Or locking up or killing millions of people over plants. Greatest waste per $ is chasing terrorist ghosts worldwide, trillion dallor tall dark man.

                    Even my live has been threaten for
                    recording this freak show. Lucky for me
                    many think I'm just a crazy artist.

    3. 71
      independentmindedposted 17 months ago in reply to this

      The Islamic countries are more of a threat to their own peoples than they are to foreign countries, including the United States. 9/11 was a horrific and yet freaky-freak event that did change the course of American society, but that doesn't excuse our meddling in other countries' affairs.

      As for gun deaths here in the United States, the USA has the highest murder rate per capita by firearms in the Western world, and that's a known fact.  Guns are not only a much, much easier way to permanently maim or kill somebody (which they're designed and built to do.), but they're far too accessible here in the United States.  Too many unstable people (i. e. people with a history of substance & alcohol abuse, anger management issues, mental illness, etc.) have access to firearms, which makes an already-nasty situation worse.  Moreover, the NRA has affectively bullied lawmakers out of passing stronger, more affective gun laws, and even simple things such as requiring gun manufacturers to install safety locks in their products in order to prevent unauthorized use of a firearm in the event that it's stolen or whatever.

  2. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago

    Aaron Russo reveals Rockefella 9/11 Plan for America to chase terrorist ghost worldwide. Russo was killed later on.

    It's been the old shell game that has cost most us a debt that excessed our income. People are too busy to do much about as the abuse continue until the America $ crashes and crushes us to a point that forces us to do something about it.

  3. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago

    What part is nonsense, was it my claim American kill themselves better than terrorist do?

    Around 20,000 American commit suicide by firearm. In fact suicide deaths are greater than others killing us.Why do people care so much about headlines
    of murder,war,and war. It's about stealingyour tax $ to give themselve s lievence kill and steal fro

    1. mrpopo profile image86
      mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

      "Nonsense" was referring to promisem's pedantry.

      1. promisem profile image95
        promisemposted 17 months ago in reply to this

        Promisem doesn't use pedantry. He accurately described someone calling another poster "ridiculous." He also tries to move on, but offenders often keep bringing things up.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

          Good thing I'm not an offender, or don't think I am. Just defending the world because the world's people are my family. Have not killed anyone or killed people by the millions for profit.

          I learn more deeply from what people don't say, then what they say. For over 10 times I asked any hubbers, if anyone even cares in anyway for those dead 1/2 Million children in Iraq. If nobody cares for them, why would anyone online really care if I live or die.

          So, you may be right, it's maybe time for me to move on to other more proactive and loving sites.

          1. mrpopo profile image86
            mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

            "For over 10 times I asked any hubbers, if anyone even cares in anyway for those dead 1/2 Million children in Iraq"

            There are a multitude of reasons explaining why people won't address your response, one of which is because you haven't provided a source.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image23
              Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

              mrpopo
              I'd say you sound ridiculous but I think you're quite past that at this point.

              Good thing I don't require your approval to think , or be a crazy artist, not like I do with the elite.
              When the elite own almost everything, your home your job most of the good land etc....I worked with many of these elitist for 3 decades. What sources could I present to you without fear written all over it. The Country is run more by fear than by love. That is why these kinds of leader do not work anymore. It will take 10 years before the public will connect their brain with their back bones to change things. Only then, they will  finally get sooo sick and sooo too tired of continually as they are now, rapidly spiral rolling downhill.



              Governor of Nevada, Russo was noticed by Rockefeller and introduced to him by a female attorney. Seeing Russo's passion and ability to affect change, Rockefeller set about on a subtle mission to recruit Russo into the elite.
              Aaron Russo was told by Nick Rockefeller, allegedly of the Rockefeller family, 11 months before 9/11 that there would be an event that would cause us to invade Iraq, Afghanistan, and Venezuela, eventually leading to the bankers controlling the world through implanting chips in our bodies.

              During one conversation, Rockefeller asked Russo if he was interested in joining the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) but Russo rejected the invitation, saying he had no interest in "enslaving the people" to which Rockefeller coldly questioned why he cared about the "serfs."

              1. mrpopo profile image86
                mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

                The comment "I'd say you sound ridiculous but I think you're quite past that at this point" was directed at promisem. Don't worry, you don't have a monopoly on saying ridiculous things.

                Edit: and my god, still no source for your claim

                1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                  Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

                  Gave you the number facts from a few known sources. The Aaron Russo story and I've run across him being in the entertainment business too.

                  Traveled 49 states and most of the middle east during some war zones times. Worked with many elites and many have told me their life story in a nut shell. Even refused GWBush a war sculpture then they took my green card away. There is good reason why nobody will open up for those 1/2 Million kids. People fear their Government or elites wrath. The public carries 10 times more guns than the US military to show their fear. If I get much more sources than  this I might get myself killed, like game over, no second chances.

                  1. mrpopo profile image86
                    mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

                    I'm going to copy and paste your post:

                    Governor of Nevada, Russo was noticed by Rockefeller and introduced to him by a female attorney. Seeing Russo's passion and ability to affect change, Rockefeller set about on a subtle mission to recruit Russo into the elite.
                    Aaron Russo was told by Nick Rockefeller, allegedly of the Rockefeller family, 11 months before 9/11 that there would be an event that would cause us to invade Iraq, Afghanistan, and Venezuela, eventually leading to the bankers controlling the world through implanting chips in our bodies.

                    During one conversation, Rockefeller asked Russo if he was interested in joining the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) but Russo rejected the invitation, saying he had no interest in "enslaving the people" to which Rockefeller coldly questioned why he cared about the "serfs."


                    Please highlight for me where you have provided a known source for the 1/2 million dead kids claim.

        2. mrpopo profile image86
          mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

          > says he tries to move on
          > replies to an 8 day old comment to revive the topic

          I'd say you sound ridiculous but I think you're quite past that at this point.

          Castle thought I was calling his statements "nonsense" and I simply pointed it out that I was referring to your comment, not his. Is a singular instance of clarification directed at another user enough to label me as an "offender who keeps bringing things up"?

          If you still think "sounds ridiculous" = "is ridiculous", feel free to prove it. Personally I think anyone of any capacity is capable of sounding ridiculous despite not being ridiculous themselves, but maybe you can educate me on the matter.

  4. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago

    Awww waaaa!!!!text internet sucks sometimes.

  5. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago

    Rabies is recorded on the result of dog bites. Licencing a dog helps control the events of deaths happening. 

    The means to an end by death results are very high for firearms and very low for terrorism, there is no skirting around that fact, so we are still on the track of this
    thread. These numbers are real, too many politricks and corporatism relates more to fairytales that continue to destroy peoples lives.

    1. mrpopo profile image86
      mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

      "Rabies is recorded on the result of dog bites"

      That doesn't mean the cause of death was the bite. The transmission was the bite, the cause of death would be the virus. That's why I consider it an apples to oranges comparison, but even including that the fatality rate for dog bites is 0.28%.

      "The means to an end by death results are very high for firearms and very low for terrorism"

      How do you consider a 42% fatality rate "very low" death results for terrorists? You haven't addressed anything.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

        2014 out of 318 million people, only 15 deaths by terrorism on American soil is high.

        There is got be 100s of higher death numbers ways to die than by terrorism.

        Like Religion it is based on fear,not fact,  in order to control the power and people.

        1. mrpopo profile image86
          mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

          "only 15 deaths by terrorism on American soil."

          Out of how many attacks?

        2. mrpopo profile image86
          mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

          Let me try going about this differently:

          Drink A kills 45 people per year. 300 million people drink it everyday.

          Drink B kills 15 people per year. 15 people drink it once a year.

          Which is more dangerous?

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

            What dose it matter if a dog tries to bit, or terrorist tries to attack or you drink or eat something wrong. Knowing the danger is controling the danger by education and experience. When people die that is the ultimate worst thing that can happen.

            Unless you are religious and have sex the
            wrong way and go to hell. Mannn..they are are the greatest BS Story tellers ever. The Corporatism tell and do the greatest
            BS things wail here on earth. Like create terrorist ghosts who people fear and  they squeez your last energy and buck out of you.

            1. mrpopo profile image86
              mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

              "What dose it matter if a dog tries to bit, or terrorist tries to attack or you drink or eat something wrong."

              It matters because dog bites rarely kill when they bite, terrorists almost always kill when they attack. Comparing the two on total deaths is dishonest.

              My hypothetical on drink A and B matters because you might be at a party serving both drink A and drink B! If you could only choose one, which would you drink? This could be the difference between life and death!

              "Knowing the danger is controling the danger by education and experience."

              And we are trying to learn here and gain knowledge! Which is more dangerous, Drink A or Drink B?

              "When people die that is the ultimate worst thing that can happen."

              Yes, it is. And a measure of fatality is a measure of how often a person will die from a given act. Which is more dangerous, Drink A or Drink B?

              The rest again has nothing to do with what I said.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

                If Drink A kills 34'000 People.
                Drink B kills only 14 people.

                You pay the bartender 2000 times more money for drink B.  The bartender allows almost free drinks of drink A. =

                It' s time to fire your bartender and give the money towards schools in order for them add things up. They will be healthier and happier.
                safer for less cost.

                1. mrpopo profile image86
                  mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

                  http://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-star-tre … nAjmZQHEpa

                  I'm going to need Drink B after that analogy.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

                    Join the sheezps and take your pound of pain. They own you and your little dog too.

  6. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago

    Fear lacks a great deal of love and work.

  7. Alternative Prime profile image86
    Alternative Primeposted 17 months ago

    The person has only the intent to kill, but the gun does the actual killing ~ Guns do kill people period ~

    Just think how many innocent victims of violent crimes throughout history could have been saved if access to firearms was restricted or even prohibited ~

    Especially those who enter schools or places of worship with mal-intent ~ Imagine if an individual had to enter with a knife or a stick instead of a gun because of a ban on firearms, sure he may get lucky and kill one or perhaps two individuals before stopped, this is of course unacceptable, but I think that would be a much better scenario than 5, 10, or even 20 individuals that are taken by the projectiles of an automatic rifle or pistol ~

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

      To kill someone with a knife would take a much greater skill and a deeper personal hate.

      It"s like they think we don't notice a hand guns are designed to kill people.

      Good points

      1. 71
        independentmindedposted 17 months ago in reply to this

        I'll also add that the chances of surviving and/or fully recovering from a knife wound can be and sometimes are somewhat better than surviving and/or fully recovering from a gunshot wound.  Guns are much, much easier than knives, partly because one only needs to pick up a gun, aim it and fire it at another person from a distance, whereas one needs to be up close to somebody to knife them.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

          Agree

          Someone was telling me hammers murder more people than guns. What a bloody hamburger mess that would be. If true, I'm sure like cars, they were not designed to murder or kill people. Never seen a human pratice target instruction come with product or places where to pratice killing people, except with guns.

  8. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago

    I can't imagine needed to kill someone or run out of ideas to kill.  Killing will never stop killing because it's a mental illness. Even in self defense, killing someone a great loss in your soul.

    What is an American life wroth  compared to a non westernized person. An eye for an eye...no. One to one...no. Ten to one American..no. how about one American to.100 up to 10,000. Not sure what America is number one in the World for yet most of the world know's they are number one in terror and War. The only treatment for this killing mental illness is stop killing them and they will stop killing you in return, Mostly from defending themselves on their own soil.

  9. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago

    Not one person here has anything say about the Half million innocent children who have been killed by American terrorist. I've mention this at lease ten times and nobody has the consciousness to speak up.

    The only true prison or freedom is what lives and works in our minds.

    1. mrpopo profile image86
      mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

      This is the first time you've said either "innocent", "children" or "half million" in this thread, let alone "at lease ten times." It would also be nice to see the source you are referring to.

      There are valid reasons for criticizing the invasion of Iraq, but I don't think "American terrorists" is one of them. How are you defining terrorist?

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

        I have asked hubbers over the course of 5 years on different threads. What about the 1/2 million children who were killed over in Iraq?....Nothing..., except some people told me I was crazy. They were far more shocked and sick over a mother that killed her daughters pet hamter.

        I asked that ? over on the thread debate
        Is slamic a peaceful Religion.
        The War on Iraq and the war on terror is the leading cause of terror in the World today. It makes America and the World a more dangerious place.  America are the leading terrorist by creating wars in the middle east, and Muslims. They say it's not a war on muslim, it's just coinhhhge

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

          They say they are not attacking, muslims. It's just coincident that Iraq are 95% Muslim and with the second largest oil reserve in the World

        2. mrpopo profile image86
          mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

          "What about the 1/2 million children who were killed over in Iraq?....Nothing..., except some people told me I was crazy."

          Maybe if you could provide a source, or something? For instance, are you referring to direct casualties in the Iraq War, or the consequences of the sanctions on Iraq following the Gulf War?

          "The War on Iraq and the war on terror is the leading cause of terror in the World today"

          Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I thought the Iraq War ended when the U.S. withdrew its troops in December of 2011.

          I'm quite confused how you think a war on terror is also a leading cause of terror. What is your definition of terror?

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

            America do not do body counts and Iraq do to the tune of 1/2 million children dead. A world record protest against America attacking Iraq after 9/11 and still today they continue. Not one Iraqi killed an American on American soil yet 4% of Iraq population have been murdered over their oil. If Iraq killed 4% Of Americans(12 milliion) I would personally hunt Muslims down worldwide and be like a mental terreorist ghost upon them.. If the America had not already blown the middle east off the map by then

  10. ahorseback profile image46
    ahorsebackposted 17 months ago

    Blah, blah, blah , guns  kill ,  cement mixers kill ,  busses kill , cribs kill , a few more  objects  that kill are cars ,  last I knew was over fifty thousand car deaths a year !   Job's kill ,  take a look at the "on the job " related  death figures in America  ,   weddings kill ,   hospitals ,  retirement homes ,   day cares ,  ..................Yet only in the most open and regurgiative  [ my word] , and open  media in the world  are we able to  blame America  for all the evils of the world .  I was on vacation last week  and only upon returning  and opening  my HP web page , am I realizing just how Face- book like hub pages is becoming ..........any real issues ?

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

      Knowing the dangers is being able to control the dangers.

      If the top ten ways to die or allow corporatism to kill us is food and excercise related, Then it makes sense to spend money on the education of those products. Like from fast foods , fats,
      sugar, tobacco and so on.

      When the US military budget is ten times
      that of the education budget. When the
      justice system and US military complex
      are number 1 and 2 employers in the
      world. You know your justice and freedom are being greatly harmed.

      When there is 100s of greater way to die or be kill than by terrorism wail costing us trillions of dollars. You know it's the greatest con job since the lightbulb conspiracy and death to native American.

      It,s easy to say sorry for those 1/2 million kids and free your conscious mind.  OR live a lie and continue supporting the leading terrorist US military complex.

      It,s easy to live with low risk of muslim terreorist killing you or me. Think of it as an adventure where much fewer will die. Then give 90% of the US military budget towards your health and education budget. US then will be closer to par with an honest military defence budget with rest of the world

  11. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago

    GW Bush said Iraq 9/11 Attack was the worst attrack ever on America soil since Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. Funny there were no Iraqis on those 9/11 planes.

    Based on total BS that most people know. Bush killed a half million children on Iraqi soil. There is no proof that any iraqis killed any Americans on their soil. The death of those Iraq children was worst
    than the death of those children in hiroshima. Americans are the only ones who have used weapons of mass destruction on both places. Mrpopo you want to believe this over facts and experiences.

    If so, why not sell Americans on the American dream fairytale and US dollar will never die. I know you have to be a-
    sheezp (sheep/sleep) to experience it.

    1. mrpopo profile image86
      mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

      "Mrpopo you want to believe this over facts and experiences."

      Believe what over facts and experiences? And whose facts? Whose experiences? Yours?

      I don't doubt that you've had the experiences you claim to have had, just like I don't doubt that a schizophrenic is capable of hearing their furniture talking to them about unicorns. It doesn't mean that either are associated with reality.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

        "Mrpopo you want to believe this over facts and experiences."

        Believe what over facts and experiences? And whose facts? Whose experiences? Yours?

        I don't doubt that you've had the experiences you claim to have had, just like I don't doubt that a schizophrenic is capable of hearing their furniture talking to them about unicorns. It doesn't mean that either is associated with reality.

        Mrpopo It’s healthy you’re engaging in questioning, yet you won’t be able po po on me assuming I’m schizophrenic with those lame doubts. Being an artist sometimes I ask myself if I am crazy become many systems around us act schizophrenic. I wonder why do most people allow the elitist to run their lives, control them, fear them, and on a daily bases allow their debt to exceed their income. Most people agree this is happening to most of us. From building history museum displays from a pirate museum in Florida where I was kicked out of town for display Christ her Columbus. Why is he not a pirate like the many elitist today? Columbus started slavery to Europe, the gold rush, Christianity, his party continued to kill a million native people.  What has changed from then

        1. mrpopo profile image86
          mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

          I never said you were schizophrenic. I made a comparison that despite my acknowledgement of your subjective experiences being genuine, it doesn't mean your subjective experiences are an accurate reflection of reality.

          What I'm trying to say is subjective experiences are one of the lowest forms of evidence for reality. To relate back to your original post, your experiences with police officers may have been violent, authoritative and traumatic, through no fault of your own. You may conclude that police officers are corrupt bullies. My experiences have been amicable, respectable and productive. I may conclude that police officers are honorable people.

          Does your subjective experience trump my own? Or better yet, do either of our subjective experiences truly establish any sort of facet of reality?

          And you haven't answered my question: "Believe what over facts and experiences?" This is the sort of ambiguity you engage in that I talked about earlier. I've stated that I might even agree with your conclusion (if I could figure out what you are trying to conclude) but the way you are reaching your conclusion is flawed or dishonest.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

            Many people don't belive my real job is building sandcastles and snow playground.I spend most of my waking hours of my life loving this work. Where most people don't like their jobs, so that is most unreal to me.

            When homeless out number pubic servants and success is due most to 80% management plus public servant claim homeless are 75%  mentally ill.
            Which of these two groups is acting more schizophrenic?

            US Police emprison or kill a million people a year over a plant species called Cannibis that ruins their lives. Only two police are killed in the process each year. The Febs claim Cannibis has no medical or benefits.
            Who is acting more schizophrenic?

            Experience is knowing, like you don't know what fish taste like, until you have eaten it. That is good evidence what fish taste like and closet to reality on how it tastes.

            I have no criminal record or great fear of these bully police and warlords who dominate the world's employment feild. I'm fearless and in time these people's karma that will run over their own dogma.  At one time police officers were honorable, not today. The cops for most part are good guys, it's the system they work under that is dishonable and a great disservice.

            Reality is more of a perspective, my simple rules are. Be Honest and don't Harm. Will not break those rules for nobody. As far as reaching a conclusion, flawes are mistakes that can be corrected in time and sins I have no use for those kinds of regrets or quilt.

            Any final conclusion? just do the best you can do and avoid the hells on earth.

  12. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago

    Mrpopo

    Lets hear your sound story or reasoning about Terrorism?.

    Millions of dead muslims are waiting, heaven OR hell can wait.

    1. mrpopo profile image86
      mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

      What would you like to know about terrorism?

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

        Lo
        I hope you don't come from experience

        1. mrpopo profile image86
          mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

          No, I would just like some specificity in what is considered by many to be a nebulous term.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

            Terrorism is not new and even though it has been used since the early times of recorded history, it can be relatively hard to define terrorism. If mexico drug wars was terrorism it would be the third largest group in the world.

            Lets hear yours, I hope it's good.

            1. mrpopo profile image86
              mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

              Hear my what? I've asked what you would like to know, you haven't answered.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

                Do you think Americans killing 1/2 million Iraq children was wroth it?

                Who is the leading terrorist attacking country in the world?

                1. mrpopo profile image86
                  mrpopoposted 17 months ago in reply to this

                  "Do you think Americans killing 1/2 million Iraq children was wroth it?"

                  Well done for repeating a loaded question. Before asking that question, why don't you first demonstrate that Americans really did kill 1/2 million Iraqi children?

                  "Who is the leading terrorist attacking country in the world?"

                  You need to define terrorism before that question can be answered.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

                    Yes terrorism has nebulous translations and corporatism globalization has used lingistic lawyers to play and run people's lives to whatever they want. About 10 more years of this abues to go.

                    Terrorism to me is using terror fear for political reasons or bulling other into
                    getting whatever you want by any
                    BS means. By licence to kill, to steal, to threat and worse to fear us into anything. BS is worst than lying, BS is lying and you don't care your lying

                    The world champion at BS stories is Religion, under the war of profit/prophet. (No pun intent) A great tool for a handful of greedy banksters.

                2. cathylynn99 profile image77
                  cathylynn99posted 17 months ago in reply to this

                  we never should have gone to iraq. bush lied us into that war with the motive of halliburton profits. he is a war criminal.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                    Castlepalomaposted 16 months ago in reply to this

                    Most of us know it was wrong to go to Iraq, yet no American has come forth to say sorry for those 1/2 million Iraq kids dead, That is why they will continue to kill for Jesus and for Oil. Plus since America is predominately white, it a fears the world being Predominately of color. Boy that will change when all the skins gets mixed and changes to predominantly Brown. That will make those corporatism white boys driven to be Mad as Hell.

  13. Alternative Prime profile image86
    Alternative Primeposted 16 months ago

    Unfortunately, it appears to be another act of barbaric terrorism perpetrated by an individual who had easy access to an automatic weapon(s) ~ 4 of our marines gunned down without cause ~

    GUNS actually do the killing ~ How many would have died if this individual had ZERO legal access to a firearm? Answer? Probably NONE ~

    Wake-UP ~ The Constitution does NOT grant an individual the RIGHT to own a gun, it's nowhere to be found in this document ~

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 16 months ago in reply to this

      Your right,  when was the second amendments added?

      When the Constitution was ratified in 1791. They sometimes add the argument that the constitutionally guaranteed right was never meant to apply to individuals.

      The modern debate over gun control erupted after a series of high-profile assassinations in the 1960s and gained new urgency after gun-related violence rose in the 1980s and 1990s. After the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School in Colorado there were renewed calls for Congress to pass stronger gun control laws

      1. Alternative Prime profile image86
        Alternative Primeposted 16 months ago in reply to this

        Glad you agree Castlepaloma ~

        The Constitution affords an individual the right to access a firearm ONLY if he/she is affiliated with a Militia ~ No gray areas, the language is Crystal Clear for anyone who reads it ~

        Furthermore, it must be a "Well Organized Militia"

        How a Supreme Court concluded otherwise is a complete mystery ~

  14. Alphadogg16 profile image89
    Alphadogg16posted 16 months ago

    Desert Storm, defending Saudi Arabia from Iraqi invasion started in 1990. I know this because I was in it.

  15. ahorseback profile image46
    ahorsebackposted 16 months ago

    As a matter of  political fact , If the entire U.N handed in resignations  , it would be the best thing for America in two hundred years , I for one am tired of supporting  the rest of the worlds political lack of gonads !   Why is it that when a hotspot arises anywhere  in  the rest of the world  America has to be the first to raise funds ,  stop  tyrannical violence , provide hospital  ships , or provide  a defending force ? While the rest sit  uselessly  awaiting the outcome.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 16 months ago in reply to this

      NATO bombs UN bread. Bread&Bombs, that is one way to bait them and kill them out in the open. To Troops that would be funny.

  16. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 16 months ago

    About 61% of Americans said they should of stayed out of Iraq. Most of World say America should stay out of Iraq along with the greatest protest worldwide over the invastion. Troops are growing again and sanction in Iraq today. Wiki estimate of 650,000 to million and a half Iraq people have been killed.

    Not one person has come forth to say sorry for those 100s of thousands of Iraqi children killed over there. So I will be brave and free to say sorry to those Iraqi families who have lost much of their
    heart and soul love ones. Their children and much of their families.

    I also feel sorry for America who can't stop terrorizing their own citizens and the
    rest of the world. Who can not connect
    their backbone with their brain due to the fear of corporatism tooled with religion's based on fear and BS.

    1. mrpopo profile image86
      mrpopoposted 16 months ago in reply to this

      Still no explanation for why the mortality rate decreased in northern Iraq, huh?

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 16 months ago in reply to this

        I became a strong green environmentalist because I discovered for the first time in modern history our children are living shorter life expectancy and shorten than my generation. our natural environment is the greatest threat to mankind. The fastest way to die is bad junk food. One UN study reported nine years into sanctions that half the Iraqi population was overweight compared to controlled northern Iraqi provinces and the portions of the country ruled by Saddam Hussein. Obesity kills more people than starvation worldwide. Keep in mind the greedy rich don’t give a dam about nature and most of us. Mainly they want to run people’s lives worldwide and many of them believe in crowd control. They have a license to kill and steal and there will be no end until the people disallow it. USA has been the only countries that have used weapons of mass destruction on Japan and Iraq. Plus how many wars has the US WON certainly not Vietnam or Iraq. Bush and Co. started this whole freaking mess back in the 90s and GW said except to use the Iraq oil to pay for the war. So far an American terrorist Gamble plus s a totally loose /loose for both side had turn out very bad. Even for bullies and pirates that’s bad.

        1. mrpopo profile image86
          mrpopoposted 16 months ago in reply to this

          "I became a strong green environmentalist because I discovered for the first time in modern history our children are living shorter life expectancy and shorten than my generation"

          I'm all for the environment, better life expectancy and higher standards of living. But I'm also for substantiating evidence. Can you give me a source on the lower life expectancy of this generation?

          "One UN study reported nine years into sanctions that half the Iraqi population was overweight compared to controlled northern Iraqi provinces and the portions of the country ruled by Saddam Hussein. Obesity kills more people than starvation worldwide. "

          Are you telling me the higher infant mortality rate in southern/central Iraq compared to northern Iraq was due to obesity rates?

          Can you please provide a source for this claim?

          Also, how did these sanctions create conditions for obesity in children, in less than a decade?

        2. Quilligrapher profile image90
          Quilligrapherposted 16 months ago in reply to this

          Good evening, Castle. I have been following your thread with interest, but I found your retort to me unnecessarily defensive.

          I think you know exactly what my comment meant and why it was posted. The “well done” was directed to mrpopo, who did a fine job pointing out that the sources you provided either do not support some of your statements or they contradict a number of your claims. His rebuttal seems to be accurate. Further, his remarks have been ignored and I have seen no effort by you to refute his evidence even when reminded. 

          To the contrary, your posts continue to make claims and accusations you do not qualify or justify. While I sincerely respect your humanitarian ideals, the din and the sheer volume of unsupported accusations only undermine your credibility. There is no reason to believe any of your claims when you seem unable or unwilling to explain their origins. This latest gem is a humdinger!

          I would truly appreciate any verifiable source that corroborates your conjecture: "for the first time in modern history our children are living shorter life expectancy." Pardon my sarcasm, Castle, but where, exactly, do you buy your baloney?

          Do you mean for the first time in modern U.S. history?

          The most recent decline of life expectancy at birth in the USA occurred in 2008. An observation by Sam Harper, an epidemiologist at McGill University in Montreal was reported in Bloomberg Business on December 9, 2010. “Declines are uncommon, occurring about once a decade, said Harper. The last decrease in life expectancy was in 1993, he said.” [Bold font added for educational purposes] {1}

          I should add that there is a subtle irony in this decline if this turns out to be the source of your empathy for the lifespan of infants born in 2008. The life expectancy fell 36.5 days from 2007 to 77.8 years due primarily to the increase of deaths among adults age 85 and older. "Infant mortality declined, as did deaths among all age groups under 85," Bloomberg noted.

          Or, do you mean for the first time in modern global history?

          Declining life expectancy was seen in both Africa and the Soviet Union during the last 25 years. Unfortunately, you can’t blame those events on America’s foreign policy or on capitalism.

          “Since 1990, life expectancy at birth has increased globally by 6 years, but during the 1990s the value in Europe has showed a stagnation, and in Africa it has even decreased. For Europe, the phenomenon is due mainly to adverse mortality trends in the former Soviet Union countries. The decrease in Africa has been caused by HIV/AIDS, but the increasing availability of antiretroviral therapy has reduced the spread of the epidemic, and the mortality due to HIV/AIDS has been decreasing since about 2005, allowing life expectancy at birth to increase again: average life expectancy at birth in Africa, was 50 years in 2000, whereas it was 58 years in 2013." {2}

          So, according to you, “for the first time in modern history our children are living shorter life expectancy and shorten [sic]than my generation." You did say “in modern history,” right? My research suggests your post is another example of blatant misinformation. I am looking forward to seeing your sources that say differently.
          http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6919429.jpg
          {1} http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ … eport-says
          {2} http://www.who.int/gho/mortality_burden … s_text/en/

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 16 months ago in reply to this

            Well done, relates to Iraq's radiaration levels being worst than Hiroshima.

            My claims and supports come from experience, travel of 94 countries, nature of my work (loved for 40 Years.) Not from Corporatism/Government stats that are corrupted to the core.

            These ideas must be worked in my eco
            village in Canada and in Belize permacuture workshop and lifestyle.

            What creditbility , by whom, your approval. Or by Bush who kick me out of US for refusing him a war sculpture. l have no credit because can' t harm people or live a lie?

            What credit are you talking about?

  17. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 16 months ago

    WOW!!! MAN O Man, that felt like I got over a million and a half souls of my chest and balls.

    In my personally life , whenever I have negative thoughts that keep coming up about someone. I RING them up and say, I forgive you, the jerk on the line may say
    ...'.I don't care.' It's not so much about him, it's about getting rid of negative thoughts about him.

    Now you out there, try it. Say " Sorry Iraq people for your loss"

    Now Christiains say, I forgive you Muslims, oh, oh asking too much.

  18. ahorseback profile image46
    ahorsebackposted 16 months ago

    As to the title !  O.P.   ,   I see six states are  going to post armed guards at military bases  after terror attacks in Chattanooga Tenn......DUH ! .....about time !     Lets see --- Military base with no armed guards !    What moron decided that one !

  19. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 16 months ago

    My origins comes from being a bio-organism first, me and the world, all of nature is the soul purpose. Killed no one.

    What is America's soul purpose in Iraq? Is it not the soul purpose of a government is to protect the people, not to kill a million or two in Iraq and it's own people. The leading weapon for suicide is firearms.  Suicide kills more people than war,, terror and murder combined. The news or Government do not cover those stats well, Why not?

 
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