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I feel sorry for politicians

  1. promisem profile image95
    promisemposted 17 months ago

    I don't feel sorry for all of them, but many of them are victims of ignorant, self-centered voters and  greedy, self-centered interest groups.

    Voters and interest groups can be quite vicious if they don't get their way.

    Politicans are human. Some are good and some are bad. What I have personally seen is that they say and act the way they do largely because they get ripped to shreds if they are honest and open with the public.

    Agree or disagree?

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

      Agree

      Almost half the time they lying because it's impossiable to please everyone and they sure have very high IQ in order to remember all those lies.

      About 80% of people dislike the them causing public servert the most
      Dissatisfied job in the nation.

      The main thing that dose change things is the power of the people and their opinions. The Governiment is like the fungas of a tree, we do need them to survive.  If we keep allowing large corporatism to run our lives and them, we will chock or maybe die.

    2. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 17 months ago in reply to this

      I disagree because if their interests were for the people they would vote as their constituency wishes them too. Their longevity in  office is of little importance when fighting for the right things to be done.

      1. promisem profile image95
        promisemposted 17 months ago in reply to this

        Don't you think they vote according to the whims of the majority of their constituency? Otherwise, they wouldn't be elected.

        We feel they don't vote according to our desires when they vote contrary to what we want, but what we want might be in the minority.

        1. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 17 months ago in reply to this

          They vote for the whims of the senior members in Congress. These senior members are well paid to whip the junior members into line. If the vote is accountable to the electorate how does a US Senator get voted into office from a district they hardly lived in. Party strength is how. Hillary was the candidate by the way.

          1. promisem profile image95
            promisemposted 17 months ago in reply to this

            Well, true, the leadership is a factor in how they vote. But if the leadership tells them to do something that will cost them the election, they won't follow the leadership. John Boehner knows this well.

      2. teamrn profile image79
        teamrnposted 17 months ago in reply to this

        "longevity in  office is of little importance when fighting for the right things to be done." But how many of them REALLY fight for the right things to be done? Too often, there is caving on their principles, caving on what is right or what their constituents wanted, because a lobby donates megabux to their campaign. Shouldn't we pass campaign finance reform that has teeth AND term limits? Nobody needs to be in DC more than 20 years! Even though some of the people from DC/legislators/executives/cabinets/justices may mean well, there are other parts of life worth investigating. Fred Thompson had it right: politician, actor, attorney, lobbyist, columnist, and radio host. And I'm sure I'm just scratching the surface.

        1. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 17 months ago in reply to this

          I agree with everything but the Fred Thompson comment. Term limits, publicly financed campaigns and lobby reform are our only hope.

          1. teamrn profile image79
            teamrnposted 17 months ago in reply to this

            What' to disagree with Fred THomspson? What the take-home was; variety, variety,  variety is where it's at. Senator, Sentator, Senator x 50 years makes Jack a dull boy!

            1. rhamson profile image76
              rhamsonposted 16 months ago in reply to this

              His position on abortion, gay marriage and the whole shut down the border deal. You cannot prevent the illegal immigrants from coming here as long as they have a job waiting for them.

              1. teamrn profile image79
                teamrnposted 16 months ago in reply to this

                Used him as a example that there is life for politicians AFTER DC, not for his views on political topics. But, sInce you mentioned illegal immigration,  it CAN be stopped. Enforce the law; even if the ACA incentivizes hiring illegal aliens..

                1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                  Castlepalomaposted 16 months ago in reply to this

                  What planet do these illegal aliens come from?

                  1. teamrn profile image79
                    teamrnposted 16 months ago in reply to this

                    OK. I'll bite. Illegal undocumented workers from whatever country they come. You know da*** well that I meant no planet. Discuss the real issue,

                2. rhamson profile image76
                  rhamsonposted 16 months ago in reply to this

                  The immigration law is not severe enough. There should be a hefty fine and for repeat offenders jail time. But none of it can happen if we can't identify them. A national ID card that cannot be duplicated or counterfeited would be one way to help that. As with the hiring of them the penalties should immediately carry jail time for the sale or manufacture of ID cards.

                  1. teamrn profile image79
                    teamrnposted 16 months ago in reply to this

                    WHy didn't my reply go thruu. Laws should be strict enough so that we shouldn't need IDs. But I think needing to be able to produce an ID when asked isn't to much to ask. Did anyone ever die of "your papers?" That needs to become life because too many ways,it hasn't been the way and without enough law enforcEment, we MUST only be driven by laws that HAVE TEETH BUILT  IN.

  2. teamrn profile image79
    teamrnposted 17 months ago

    Feeling sorry for politicians.? I really don't buy into the 'lie' thing. They do distort the truth, but I firmly believe that if they didn't need to worry about reelection, if we had some decent term limits in place, that the cause of their distorting the truth would be taken away.

    Sure, there are some who are more prone to the lie than others, but I don't believe that they start out that way; I don't believe that they wake up one morning and say to themselves, " What kind of lie can I tell today?" or "How deceptive can I be today in finding 50 shades of the truth in those gray clouds?"

    Au contraire, I think that they have been sold a bill of goods so many times, by lobbyists who promise to help them get elected (so they stand to gain big-time, financially) in return for a small favor. That small favor is a white lie. Heaven forbid it is not the black/white kind of lie, but something that falls right in the middle and they learn through the years to do it well. The feeling of power tastes mighty good, is a temptation to the mighty; so imagine what it can do to someone in a moment of weakess.

    The masters of this kind of thing, the GREAT masters, are people who have been around the longest. The Strom Thurmonds of the government. The people who have been around since before God.

    So, why isn't term-limits in the founding documents? I believe, like many, that the framers felt that anyone who'd want to stay in DC and make a career out of this, had to have a hole in his head! I think they just assumed that John McCain would serve a few terms and then go back to AZ, that anyone of any tenure in DC (that goon from Harlem; can't think of the Reps name), would rather go back and be with his grandkids every weekend, than make a career out of this.

    So, while I feel that occasionally the lies are there, we have no one but ourselves to blame for not insisting that there be limits on elected reps terns, even SCOTUS justices. No, they're not elected, but they are appointed. Is there anything the matter with 4 x 3 year terms? That's 12 years to make a HUGE difference by interpreting the finer points of the law of the land. Heck, even 16 years. But, I don't think that John Adams or Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin had ANY thoughts that future politicians would want ANYTHING but to head back to the farm and farm or legal practice and set up a shingle or hospital and practice medicine. These guys are probably rolling over in their respective graves when they realize that there is someone who has been in DC his WHOLE political or adult life and that is the only life his children know. MR. YUCK!!

    1. promisem profile image95
      promisemposted 17 months ago in reply to this

      They lie because the system -- voters and campaign contributors -- force them to lie in order to get elected. If you spend some time with them, you'll see what I mean.

      1. teamrn profile image79
        teamrnposted 17 months ago in reply to this

        They are human, so they succumb to the whims of humans. They 'lie' to get what they want.  Solution? Don't GIVE them what they want; make them EARN it. Only we can reform campaign finance laws that allow this to continue. Limit their terms so they aren't even tempted to stick around, unless it is in a JOB!! Like, where they have to put in 8 hours to get a paycheck that has more taxes, fees, insurances, etc, deducted from it that it's barely recognizable when it is received.

      2. teamrn profile image79
        teamrnposted 17 months ago in reply to this

        Shouldn't we all be electing reps who are  for term limits or for campaign finance reform? Sure, it's possible they'll break those promises when they arriive in DR, becoming jaded, but some may not and 'hold true to their roots!'

  3. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago

    Never voted, the people I think would work, will not be voted in because their too intelligent. They design it for ones to be puppets on strings for corperation.

    1. teamrn profile image79
      teamrnposted 17 months ago in reply to this

      "Never voted" You don't have a right to comment-NEXT...

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

        The real ruler and second super power of the world is Global Public Opinion

        You JUST got voted out there

        1. teamrn profile image79
          teamrnposted 17 months ago in reply to this

          Castlepaloma, You have made the choice not to vote and your right to make that choice needs to be respected. I respect your right to make your choice. Not the choice.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

            If I think these assumed leaders do more harm than good. Why vote, except for Ron Paul who won't be voted in because  he can't be a meat puppet on the corporatism strings.

            1. teamrn profile image79
              teamrnposted 17 months ago in reply to this

              WHY vote? Do you have an hour or two? What a cop-out! That's all or nothing thinking; you must be liberal, because liberals excel at it.they excel at it.

              1. Josak profile image61
                Josakposted 17 months ago in reply to this

                Given he just endorsed Ron Paul I kinda doubt he is a liberal, you might want to reconsider your sweeping generalizing statements.

                I do vote but since I hate both major parties voting for me it is certainly an exersize in futility since no third party is going to win power in the US for the foreseeable future. In America we don't even vote for who we agree with just who we hate least.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                  Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

                  Yeah, why drink sour wine, throw them both out. Make your own fine wine and cheese.

                2. teamrn profile image79
                  teamrnposted 17 months ago in reply to this

                  Josak, "In America we don't even vote for who we agree with just who we hate least." That's you. I think you'll find that if you do your homework, you'll find someone who would make a good POTUS. You may not agree with all, no litmus test. You think it's better somewhere else? Go there!

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago in reply to this

                    teamrn is part right

                    Many are unaware Ron Paul is a libertarian socialism. He belongs to -Socialism in a Libertarian society. It’s just this group will not get in.

                    Why pick one of the 2 evil? I pick one of an non-evil, one who has reason for almost everything he dose. There is nothing the governiment can do better than Private sector. There no leader in the world that can lead you better than yourself.

  4. ahorseback profile image50
    ahorsebackposted 17 months ago

    Disagree, seriously , feeling sorry for the political adept ?    Get real , if these career  exhibitionist's  can't handle the critiques , I have some advice for them , get the hell out of Dodge .    The general identity of a soldier in the political war today should focus less on  their selfishness in "leadership ", their close-mindedness in  real political progress and focus more on term- limiting themself .......... for the good of all !!

    1. promisem profile image95
      promisemposted 17 months ago in reply to this

      A lot of them are getting the hell out of Dodge. A lot more won't go into it because it's just not worth the hassles.

      It was easier and kinder to be a politician 50 years ago. Then the voters didn't have Internet access to flood DC with millions of screaming emails.

      I know some personally, and friends know others. The extremists have ruined the DC atmosphere. That's why the politicians call them "the crazies."

  5. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago

    The crazies, funny.

    There is more homeless than there is public servants. Public servant report most homeless are mentally ill. If 80 % of a companies success is management, would that not make public servants more so mentally ill?

  6. ahorseback profile image50
    ahorsebackposted 16 months ago

    Well , If we are talking federal levels , One  with any intelligence must truly admit that congress and senate has made a pretty good attempt to destroy this country , using  graft , corruption ,  the imminent downfall of political productivity  by financial  lobbyist's , --  Take a good look at Baltimore MD.  the proximity alone shows just what Federal influences by politics has done to our society .   Mass government employee hiring , atrocious spending on welfare and entitlement programs .  ! 

    To feel sorry for them because they decide to take the heat in trade for the personal payoff to them ?
    Sorry  No,  I'm Just Not Feeling It  !

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 16 months ago in reply to this

      Sounds like your coming around ahorseback.

    2. promisem profile image95
      promisemposted 16 months ago in reply to this

      Ahorseback, let me ask you something with due respect: Do you think all politicians are bad or do you think some are good and some are bad?

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 16 months ago in reply to this

        That is an unfair question, you ask Horseback. 

        On another thread horseback said the most exciting and positive thing I’ve heard yet on hub Pages. He said Americans must take back America.

        Americans, Mexican, public servants, troops and Muslims are all people too. People are basically good, some bad in every group or individuals.  Corporation own most of the world’s economic they create the shell games and the systems that corrupt politics and people Worldwide. When the natural environment is the greatest threat to mankind and most American lifestyle are no longer sustainable you know where that source is coming from. The game of give money to the wealthy and it will works it’s way down to the poor is no longer true.  Poor has expanded and middle class has shrunk, as we fight each other and the rich walk away with the money.

        At one time the American dreams were real. America was the most advance countries in the history of the world.  America was the land of the brave and free was true. US were number one in the world for many things. Today, is war the only thing American dominates anymore?  I thought American was the best place in the world to live.  Today in my books, it’s the axis of evil NATO NEO- American, terrorist organization and Corporatism owns you, your home your job and the Government is a hidden corporation. Even the Royal family is a corporation too. Good luck with  One world Order or One world Religion as they tried that in world War 1 and 2. Maybe see you guys in ten years, call me when the revolution starts.

        1. promisem profile image95
          promisemposted 16 months ago in reply to this

          Why is that an unfair question?

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 16 months ago in reply to this

            As explained before, they are basically good people like you and me. A fair question would be, are they doing a good job?

            My anwser would be no, they can't as long as Public servants are owned by criminal corporatism, who don' t care if
            nature or you or I, live or die.

  7. ahorseback profile image50
    ahorsebackposted 16 months ago

    Castle ,,   Here's the answer   We in America have a problem , ANYTHING  that we need to politically  change must come  from BOTH sides of the  voting spectrum !   I don't care what party , what denominatory  idealism you come from .   In todays political climate there is the catch all problem of -Two Party Politics-  in response to any change . AND WE NEED CHANGE !

    HOW CAN WE  BEGIN A GRASS ROOTS  movement to  bring about a complete  circle of " We the people " regaining control of congress , cuz that's the problem !     Americans must stand together , this ONCE , or stand apart for eternity .

  8. ahorseback profile image50
    ahorsebackposted 16 months ago

    Anyone who has followed  my posts knows  I am a moderate conservative , period .   And yet , I have heard many ,many ideas  from the left that make sense  also , AM I Changing my Ideals , No !

    But do I hear many good idea's from both sides of the spectrum that make  very much sense ............YES.. How do we awaken Both  parties to the fact that we have to regain the momentum of our  much simpler past ?  That is the question !

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 16 months ago in reply to this

      You can vote for Pepsi or Coke and like the two parties, they are bad for you. As long as corporatism globalzation owns most of the world's economies, they pull the strings. I've made dozens of  world event predictions over 30 year span, all came true. America will continue beating this dead horse for more then 10 years tocome. The suffering will continous to
      shorten our  life expectancy until the abuse gets so great, the people will change things, not the parties. As the same story throughout human history exsistence was always been changed by, the people.

    2. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 16 months ago in reply to this

      "How do we awaken Both  parties to the fact that we have to regain the momentum of our  much simpler past ?  That is the question !"

      That IS the question. The problem is that both parties have it just the way they want it and don't want it to change. Are there good people working for us in Congress? Absolutely, but they are the minority. They are told how to vote by the senior members or they are washed out of any meaningful role representing their constituency. So in many years in Congress they may get a few ideas heard if they play the game. Is this how the founders wanted it to be?

      With the corporate control of our elections, news media and economy they have it all sewed up. We cannot go beyond what they take for themselves unless we can vote them out.

      Term limits, publicly financed campaigns and lobby reform is the only way for the people to be heard.

      http://www.termlimitsforuscongress.com/

      Sign the petition, join the bi-partisan grass roots fight for our rights.

  9. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 16 months ago

    DAM!!!! For once I wish I was wrong about these kinds of things.

  10. ahorseback profile image50
    ahorsebackposted 16 months ago

    I'm not sure that Corporate Globalization can or should be blamed totally  for our  the present  problems in America  , a nation ,a  world cannot have a vibrant or successful economy without corporate  influences .  The problem is balancing  that  WITH  have a truly representative  government , The major  problem , and solution is lack of Term Limits .

    1. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 16 months ago in reply to this

      "world cannot have a vibrant or successful economy without corporate  influences"

      I agree but corporate interests should be of an ancillary interest when computed into the equation and not the lead where profits are the main impetus. It is great to earn a buck but does it have to be at the expense of someone else. Should it cost them their livelihood or their health so someone at the top can live in the lap of luxury? When you have a profit driven influence overriding a quality of life institution the two clash when the one dominates the other for profit.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 16 months ago in reply to this

        Sounds about right

      2. ahorseback profile image50
        ahorsebackposted 16 months ago in reply to this

        So , you want socialism?

        1. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 16 months ago in reply to this

          Why do you see that as an option. Regulatory control of foreign trade boundaries through legislation is no where near a socialists agenda. Unbridled free trade is what is destroying this countries economy and standard of living. My question to you would be democracy or oligarchy? Which do you prefer?

  11. ahorseback profile image50
    ahorsebackposted 16 months ago

    I prefer what we have now with a return to government  regulation  of many corporate entities -- far more than they have in forty years or so !  And I would also prefer that Americans get off their lazy kiesters  and begin earning their way to success instead of expecting it to -"POOF- ! '  appear before their  very eye's .

    Those who want socialism  like benefits of existence ,should move elsewhere .

    1. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 16 months ago in reply to this

      I think it is rather convenient to blame the state of things in this country on the freeloaders. It is not quite as bad as you would think. Total welfare expenditures are no where near that of the waste we have by Congress.

 
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