I don't feel sorry for all of them, but many of them are victims of ignorant, self-centered voters and greedy, self-centered interest groups.
Voters and interest groups can be quite vicious if they don't get their way.
Politicans are human. Some are good and some are bad. What I have personally seen is that they say and act the way they do largely because they get ripped to shreds if they are honest and open with the public.
Agree or disagree?
Almost half the time they lying because it's impossiable to please everyone and they sure have very high IQ in order to remember all those lies.
About 80% of people dislike the them causing public servert the most
Dissatisfied job in the nation.
The main thing that dose change things is the power of the people and their opinions. The Governiment is like the fungas of a tree, we do need them to survive. If we keep allowing large corporatism to run our lives and them, we will chock or maybe die.
I disagree because if their interests were for the people they would vote as their constituency wishes them too. Their longevity in office is of little importance when fighting for the right things to be done.
Don't you think they vote according to the whims of the majority of their constituency? Otherwise, they wouldn't be elected.
We feel they don't vote according to our desires when they vote contrary to what we want, but what we want might be in the minority.
They vote for the whims of the senior members in Congress. These senior members are well paid to whip the junior members into line. If the vote is accountable to the electorate how does a US Senator get voted into office from a district they hardly lived in. Party strength is how. Hillary was the candidate by the way.
"longevity in office is of little importance when fighting for the right things to be done." But how many of them REALLY fight for the right things to be done? Too often, there is caving on their principles, caving on what is right or what their constituents wanted, because a lobby donates megabux to their campaign. Shouldn't we pass campaign finance reform that has teeth AND term limits? Nobody needs to be in DC more than 20 years! Even though some of the people from DC/legislators/executives/cabinets/justices may mean well, there are other parts of life worth investigating. Fred Thompson had it right: politician, actor, attorney, lobbyist, columnist, and radio host. And I'm sure I'm just scratching the surface.
I agree with everything but the Fred Thompson comment. Term limits, publicly financed campaigns and lobby reform are our only hope.
What' to disagree with Fred THomspson? What the take-home was; variety, variety, variety is where it's at. Senator, Sentator, Senator x 50 years makes Jack a dull boy!
His position on abortion, gay marriage and the whole shut down the border deal. You cannot prevent the illegal immigrants from coming here as long as they have a job waiting for them.
Used him as a example that there is life for politicians AFTER DC, not for his views on political topics. But, sInce you mentioned illegal immigration, it CAN be stopped. Enforce the law; even if the ACA incentivizes hiring illegal aliens..
What planet do these illegal aliens come from?
The immigration law is not severe enough. There should be a hefty fine and for repeat offenders jail time. But none of it can happen if we can't identify them. A national ID card that cannot be duplicated or counterfeited would be one way to help that. As with the hiring of them the penalties should immediately carry jail time for the sale or manufacture of ID cards.
WHy didn't my reply go thruu. Laws should be strict enough so that we shouldn't need IDs. But I think needing to be able to produce an ID when asked isn't to much to ask. Did anyone ever die of "your papers?" That needs to become life because too many ways,it hasn't been the way and without enough law enforcEment, we MUST only be driven by laws that HAVE TEETH BUILT IN.
"Laws should be strict enough so that we shouldn't need IDs."
Unfortunately arbitrarily picking someone who looks illegal isn't a place any of us want to go. If you leave it up to law enforcement to determine by any other means who belongs here and who doesn't it can become a real quagmire of confusion. A national citizens card like a passport should be issued to everyone who is a citizen. I am sorry but in this globalized world there needs to be a scorecard to tell who is and who isn't a participant.
t. Don't know why.Rhamson,, but you see hell bent on picking apart everything I say. Care to enlighten me about why?
All I said was that in an ideal world we shouldn't even NEED an ID; no more, no less.
"All I said was that in an ideal world we shouldn't even NEED an ID; no more, no less."
I am not picking on you but the idea of an ID card is paramount to finding and exporting those who live here illegally. There is very little left to idealize about that. Building walls, carrying guns to protect ourselves from illegal immigrant criminals is horsepucky compared to not hiring them. If they come here and don't have an ID that says they can live here, collect them up and send them back. The ones who are here legally can now support themselves and not on my dime.
Rhamson, I'm not talking about what IS paramount to what. Mine was a commentary, a simple commentary followed by the reason WHY I wasn't going into depth. I said that 'WOULDN'T IT BE AN IDEAL WORLD IF WE DIDN'T NEED the ID that you speak of?' Wouldn't that be great if we could go back to the '50s IN THAT REGARD?
I didn't say that "building walls, carrying guns to protect ourselves from illegal immigrants' WAS/WASN'T horsepucky. That's a discussion worth having, but not in this Hub about politicians. I dare you. Write a hub about it and I'm sure to chime in!
Feeling sorry for politicians.? I really don't buy into the 'lie' thing. They do distort the truth, but I firmly believe that if they didn't need to worry about reelection, if we had some decent term limits in place, that the cause of their distorting the truth would be taken away.
Sure, there are some who are more prone to the lie than others, but I don't believe that they start out that way; I don't believe that they wake up one morning and say to themselves, " What kind of lie can I tell today?" or "How deceptive can I be today in finding 50 shades of the truth in those gray clouds?"
Au contraire, I think that they have been sold a bill of goods so many times, by lobbyists who promise to help them get elected (so they stand to gain big-time, financially) in return for a small favor. That small favor is a white lie. Heaven forbid it is not the black/white kind of lie, but something that falls right in the middle and they learn through the years to do it well. The feeling of power tastes mighty good, is a temptation to the mighty; so imagine what it can do to someone in a moment of weakess.
The masters of this kind of thing, the GREAT masters, are people who have been around the longest. The Strom Thurmonds of the government. The people who have been around since before God.
So, why isn't term-limits in the founding documents? I believe, like many, that the framers felt that anyone who'd want to stay in DC and make a career out of this, had to have a hole in his head! I think they just assumed that John McCain would serve a few terms and then go back to AZ, that anyone of any tenure in DC (that goon from Harlem; can't think of the Reps name), would rather go back and be with his grandkids every weekend, than make a career out of this.
So, while I feel that occasionally the lies are there, we have no one but ourselves to blame for not insisting that there be limits on elected reps terns, even SCOTUS justices. No, they're not elected, but they are appointed. Is there anything the matter with 4 x 3 year terms? That's 12 years to make a HUGE difference by interpreting the finer points of the law of the land. Heck, even 16 years. But, I don't think that John Adams or Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin had ANY thoughts that future politicians would want ANYTHING but to head back to the farm and farm or legal practice and set up a shingle or hospital and practice medicine. These guys are probably rolling over in their respective graves when they realize that there is someone who has been in DC his WHOLE political or adult life and that is the only life his children know. MR. YUCK!!
They lie because the system -- voters and campaign contributors -- force them to lie in order to get elected. If you spend some time with them, you'll see what I mean.
They are human, so they succumb to the whims of humans. They 'lie' to get what they want. Solution? Don't GIVE them what they want; make them EARN it. Only we can reform campaign finance laws that allow this to continue. Limit their terms so they aren't even tempted to stick around, unless it is in a JOB!! Like, where they have to put in 8 hours to get a paycheck that has more taxes, fees, insurances, etc, deducted from it that it's barely recognizable when it is received.
Shouldn't we all be electing reps who are for term limits or for campaign finance reform? Sure, it's possible they'll break those promises when they arriive in DR, becoming jaded, but some may not and 'hold true to their roots!'
Never voted, the people I think would work, will not be voted in because their too intelligent. They design it for ones to be puppets on strings for corperation.
"Never voted" You don't have a right to comment-NEXT...
The real ruler and second super power of the world is Global Public Opinion
You JUST got voted out there
Castlepaloma, You have made the choice not to vote and your right to make that choice needs to be respected. I respect your right to make your choice. Not the choice.
If I think these assumed leaders do more harm than good. Why vote, except for Ron Paul who won't be voted in because he can't be a meat puppet on the corporatism strings.
WHY vote? Do you have an hour or two? What a cop-out! That's all or nothing thinking; you must be liberal, because liberals excel at it.they excel at it.
Given he just endorsed Ron Paul I kinda doubt he is a liberal, you might want to reconsider your sweeping generalizing statements.
I do vote but since I hate both major parties voting for me it is certainly an exersize in futility since no third party is going to win power in the US for the foreseeable future. In America we don't even vote for who we agree with just who we hate least.
Yeah, why drink sour wine, throw them both out. Make your own fine wine and cheese.
Josak, "In America we don't even vote for who we agree with just who we hate least." That's you. I think you'll find that if you do your homework, you'll find someone who would make a good POTUS. You may not agree with all, no litmus test. You think it's better somewhere else? Go there!
teamrn is part right
Many are unaware Ron Paul is a libertarian socialism. He belongs to -Socialism in a Libertarian society. It’s just this group will not get in.
Why pick one of the 2 evil? I pick one of an non-evil, one who has reason for almost everything he dose. There is nothing the governiment can do better than Private sector. There no leader in the world that can lead you better than yourself.
Disagree, seriously , feeling sorry for the political adept ? Get real , if these career exhibitionist's can't handle the critiques , I have some advice for them , get the hell out of Dodge . The general identity of a soldier in the political war today should focus less on their selfishness in "leadership ", their close-mindedness in real political progress and focus more on term- limiting themself .......... for the good of all !!
A lot of them are getting the hell out of Dodge. A lot more won't go into it because it's just not worth the hassles.
It was easier and kinder to be a politician 50 years ago. Then the voters didn't have Internet access to flood DC with millions of screaming emails.
I know some personally, and friends know others. The extremists have ruined the DC atmosphere. That's why the politicians call them "the crazies."
The crazies, funny.
There is more homeless than there is public servants. Public servant report most homeless are mentally ill. If 80 % of a companies success is management, would that not make public servants more so mentally ill?
Well , If we are talking federal levels , One with any intelligence must truly admit that congress and senate has made a pretty good attempt to destroy this country , using graft , corruption , the imminent downfall of political productivity by financial lobbyist's , -- Take a good look at Baltimore MD. the proximity alone shows just what Federal influences by politics has done to our society . Mass government employee hiring , atrocious spending on welfare and entitlement programs . !
To feel sorry for them because they decide to take the heat in trade for the personal payoff to them ?
Sorry No, I'm Just Not Feeling It !
Sounds like your coming around ahorseback.
Ahorseback, let me ask you something with due respect: Do you think all politicians are bad or do you think some are good and some are bad?
That is an unfair question, you ask Horseback.
On another thread horseback said the most exciting and positive thing I’ve heard yet on hub Pages. He said Americans must take back America.
Americans, Mexican, public servants, troops and Muslims are all people too. People are basically good, some bad in every group or individuals. Corporation own most of the world’s economic they create the shell games and the systems that corrupt politics and people Worldwide. When the natural environment is the greatest threat to mankind and most American lifestyle are no longer sustainable you know where that source is coming from. The game of give money to the wealthy and it will works it’s way down to the poor is no longer true. Poor has expanded and middle class has shrunk, as we fight each other and the rich walk away with the money.
At one time the American dreams were real. America was the most advance countries in the history of the world. America was the land of the brave and free was true. US were number one in the world for many things. Today, is war the only thing American dominates anymore? I thought American was the best place in the world to live. Today in my books, it’s the axis of evil NATO NEO- American, terrorist organization and Corporatism owns you, your home your job and the Government is a hidden corporation. Even the Royal family is a corporation too. Good luck with One world Order or One world Religion as they tried that in world War 1 and 2. Maybe see you guys in ten years, call me when the revolution starts.
As explained before, they are basically good people like you and me. A fair question would be, are they doing a good job?
My anwser would be no, they can't as long as Public servants are owned by criminal corporatism, who don' t care if
nature or you or I, live or die.
Castle ,, Here's the answer We in America have a problem , ANYTHING that we need to politically change must come from BOTH sides of the voting spectrum ! I don't care what party , what denominatory idealism you come from . In todays political climate there is the catch all problem of -Two Party Politics- in response to any change . AND WE NEED CHANGE !
HOW CAN WE BEGIN A GRASS ROOTS movement to bring about a complete circle of " We the people " regaining control of congress , cuz that's the problem ! Americans must stand together , this ONCE , or stand apart for eternity .
Anyone who has followed my posts knows I am a moderate conservative , period . And yet , I have heard many ,many ideas from the left that make sense also , AM I Changing my Ideals , No !
But do I hear many good idea's from both sides of the spectrum that make very much sense ............YES.. How do we awaken Both parties to the fact that we have to regain the momentum of our much simpler past ? That is the question !
You can vote for Pepsi or Coke and like the two parties, they are bad for you. As long as corporatism globalzation owns most of the world's economies, they pull the strings. I've made dozens of world event predictions over 30 year span, all came true. America will continue beating this dead horse for more then 10 years tocome. The suffering will continous to
shorten our life expectancy until the abuse gets so great, the people will change things, not the parties. As the same story throughout human history exsistence was always been changed by, the people.
"How do we awaken Both parties to the fact that we have to regain the momentum of our much simpler past ? That is the question !"
That IS the question. The problem is that both parties have it just the way they want it and don't want it to change. Are there good people working for us in Congress? Absolutely, but they are the minority. They are told how to vote by the senior members or they are washed out of any meaningful role representing their constituency. So in many years in Congress they may get a few ideas heard if they play the game. Is this how the founders wanted it to be?
With the corporate control of our elections, news media and economy they have it all sewed up. We cannot go beyond what they take for themselves unless we can vote them out.
Term limits, publicly financed campaigns and lobby reform is the only way for the people to be heard.
Sign the petition, join the bi-partisan grass roots fight for our rights.
DAM!!!! For once I wish I was wrong about these kinds of things.
I'm not sure that Corporate Globalization can or should be blamed totally for our the present problems in America , a nation ,a world cannot have a vibrant or successful economy without corporate influences . The problem is balancing that WITH have a truly representative government , The major problem , and solution is lack of Term Limits .
"world cannot have a vibrant or successful economy without corporate influences"
I agree but corporate interests should be of an ancillary interest when computed into the equation and not the lead where profits are the main impetus. It is great to earn a buck but does it have to be at the expense of someone else. Should it cost them their livelihood or their health so someone at the top can live in the lap of luxury? When you have a profit driven influence overriding a quality of life institution the two clash when the one dominates the other for profit.
Why do you see that as an option. Regulatory control of foreign trade boundaries through legislation is no where near a socialists agenda. Unbridled free trade is what is destroying this countries economy and standard of living. My question to you would be democracy or oligarchy? Which do you prefer?
I prefer what we have now with a return to government regulation of many corporate entities -- far more than they have in forty years or so ! And I would also prefer that Americans get off their lazy kiesters and begin earning their way to success instead of expecting it to -"POOF- ! ' appear before their very eye's .
Those who want socialism like benefits of existence ,should move elsewhere .
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