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Jeb Bush Wants to End Medicare

  1. Dr Billy Kidd profile image90
    Dr Billy Kiddposted 23 months ago

    Bush said the Medicare system will not work indefinitely. Yet the cost per person for Medicare has not risen since 2009. What do you think?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1QmqJmfvPs

    1. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 23 months ago in reply to this

      Not surprising, coming from the guy that said we all need to work longer hours. Just another example of politicians thinking we exist to take care of the government. Any thought of the government having programs that benefit the people is, of course, an abominable thought.

    2. rhamson profile image77
      rhamsonposted 23 months ago in reply to this

      Of course he wants to end Medicare. What could the corporations do with the matching taxes they pay on payroll. Pocket it of course. Once again a greedy grab for profits at the expense of the middle class.

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 23 months ago in reply to this

        What would the people do with the matching taxes they pay on payroll?  Pocket it of course - greed will always have that result.

        1. rhamson profile image77
          rhamsonposted 23 months ago in reply to this

          Thank you for adding to the mix. My point was that by terminating the Medicare program the employer share that business's are required to match in deductions would be eliminated. Then business could carry on as usual with sub standard wages that cannot afford healthcare while the employer pockets it as profit.

          1. Dr Billy Kidd profile image90
            Dr Billy Kiddposted 23 months ago in reply to this

            Wow, I had not thought of that one!

      2. Dr Billy Kidd profile image90
        Dr Billy Kiddposted 23 months ago in reply to this

        Yes, Jeb Bush is mostly about greed and corporate entitlement.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
          Kathryn L Hillposted 23 months ago in reply to this

          He has to be loyal to those who put him where he is. Not to the people who worked hard all their life thinking … trusting … not realizing they were only gambling.

          Save yer own money for yer own stuff I say!  No more to the Fed!

          1. Credence2 profile image86
            Credence2posted 23 months ago in reply to this

            And you can realistically save enough money for the cost of even the more moderate operations as a senior. REally, are you from Mars or Venus?

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
              Kathryn L Hillposted 23 months ago in reply to this

              I am from the realm of self discipline, planning ahead, focus, concentration, future orientation and success orientation.
              We can all be, but it takes fathers helping their daughters and mothers helping their sons.
              And fathers helping their sons and mothers helping their daughters.
              And grandparents can step in once in awhile too with valuable financial wisdom.
              Fish have fins, martians have magic forefingers and humans have brains.
              Maybe we are just now starting to be able to use them (brains) fully.
              I have faith.

              1. Credence2 profile image86
                Credence2posted 23 months ago in reply to this

                That all sounds good but..... that is wishful thinking with the costs of things today, come on.... We don't need wisdom, we need cash that pays the over $100k for the quadruple bypass surgery.  If everybody could just save their nickels and dimes, there would be no need for Medicare, yeah Right. It should be Jeb Clampett, not Bush, who would be dumb enough to propose such a thing as  eliminating Medicare.

                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 23 months ago in reply to this

                  EAT RIGHT (and exercise)
                  Do you know how much junk food people eat? (and spend money on)
                  Do you see how rotund they are getting?
                  They should be saving their money, not eating it.

                  1. Credence2 profile image86
                    Credence2posted 23 months ago in reply to this

                    There is your simple solution to rising infirmity associated with aging, and spirally costs that wipe families out.

                2. Dr Billy Kidd profile image90
                  Dr Billy Kiddposted 23 months ago in reply to this

                  The average cost of Medicare per person is $12,000. That's not much higher than a high quality healthcare plan.

    3. Credence2 profile image86
      Credence2posted 23 months ago in reply to this

      you are on point Mr. Kidd, just want to provide an excerpt or two from WSJ and Msnbc.

      Maybe the seniors might think at bit before sending the rallying cry "Get Your Government Hands Off of My Medicare", and see who 'real villain' is


      "Remember, Jeb Bush is the ostensible moderate candidate in the massive GOP presidential field. It says something important about Republican politics in 2015 when the most mainstream candidate is also the candidate who wants to scrap Medicare altogether."

      "The secret, apparently, was passing the Affordable Care Actt

      Before “Obamacare” was passed, Medicare was projected to face a serious fiscal shortfall in 2017. As of yesterday, Medicare trustees now believe the system is fiscally secure through 2030."

      So who disputes the data, and on what basis?

      "But Jeb Bush is under the impression that Medicare is, without a doubt, doomed, so we might as well get rid of the program now and see what Paul Ryan has in store for seniors in his far-right bag of tricks."

      1. Dr Billy Kidd profile image90
        Dr Billy Kiddposted 23 months ago in reply to this

        Absolutely. The "moderate Republican candidate," Jeb Bush, wants to scrap Medicare--because "it's doomed anyway."
        Yet Medicare is becoming more effective because of the new health guidelines emphasizing preventative care, electronically connecting all one's doctors so there's no conflict of treatment, and various other methods. Hence, the per patient treatment costs are not rising. How could privatizing Medicare beat that?

  2. wilderness profile image95
    wildernessposted 23 months ago

    I suspect he'll have quite a fight on his hands - the mass of retirees that have already paid for that service through their life constitute a pretty big voting block.

    1. Dr Billy Kidd profile image90
      Dr Billy Kiddposted 23 months ago in reply to this

      Right. The polls show that about 70% of Republicans, Democrats, and Independents do not want anything to interfere with the Medicare program.
      But isn't that obvious? Would you want to know that your children will not be taken care of in their old age? Sacking Medicare, rather than improving it, would guarantee that only the wealthy would have old age medical care in the future.

  3. colorfulone profile image89
    colorfuloneposted 23 months ago

    Here is what the Republicans plan for Medicare.
    http://tomgraves.house.gov/legislation/ … efacts.htm

    Its Obamacare that has drained Medicare.
    "In order to pay for President Obama's $2.6 trillion health care law, Medicare has been stripped of $468 billion in funds.  To further save costs, Obamacare empowers a board of unelected bureaucrats to decide what treatments Medicare will cover.  Many refer to this as rationing health care."



    Um, the liberal media takes things out of context when it comes to what a Republican says, ... and that is what they did with Jeb Bush.  Hey, I don't like the guy, just saying. 
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/23/politics/ … hampshire/

    1. Dr Billy Kidd profile image90
      Dr Billy Kiddposted 23 months ago in reply to this

      People I know on Medicare get what they need. The new rules give them a yearly physical. This catches problems before they ruin someone's health.

      1. colorfulone profile image89
        colorfuloneposted 23 months ago in reply to this

        That is so true!  ("new rules" .... "new laws") 

        My Mom is on Medicare and so far she is getting what she needs to be able to live at home because it would be much more expensive for her to be in a nursing home.  She is right where she needs to be, home.

        1. Dr Billy Kidd profile image90
          Dr Billy Kiddposted 23 months ago in reply to this

          Exactly. Isn't it wonderful that your mother is getting the medical help she needs at home.

  4. promisem profile image94
    promisemposted 23 months ago

    It's also possible that he said it because he wants to win over more conservative voters.

    National politicians make extremist statements long before the party convention and national election to reach the far right or far left.

    Then as the election grows near, they become central to reach the middle. It's all part of the game.

    I would be surprised if Jeb Bush really would kill Medicare.

    1. Dr Billy Kidd profile image90
      Dr Billy Kiddposted 23 months ago in reply to this

      I first heard a Republican talk about ending Social Security in the 1970s.
      Now, I take Bush at his word that he would end Medicare. After all, he has said that he will not change his positions to win the primary. True to that vow Jeb has endorsed a path to citizenship for all undocumented immigrants. That stirred up a roar against him from the reactionaries (the so-called conservatives).

      1. promisem profile image94
        promisemposted 23 months ago in reply to this

        I understand your reasoning and concern, but I think he would be crucified if he tried to kill it.

        Most level-headed members of both parties say one thing in public and negotiate another thing in private using small steps. That's how they are dealing with Social Security.

        1. Dr Billy Kidd profile image90
          Dr Billy Kiddposted 23 months ago in reply to this

          Small steps....very interesting analysis.

 
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