Where do Americans die by gunfire? (map)

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   PrettyPantherposted 8 years ago

   What do you think of this? 
   
   U.S. gun deaths
   A county by county map of gun fatalities per 100,000 people.
   
   http://www.oregonlive.com/data/2015/10/ … _gunf.html
   
   

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      Anna C Taylorposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I think Americans have a serious violence problem.

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      My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Did you know that ATF, FBI, and other similar types of federal agencies are not allowed to track guns used in crimes or maintain databases to capture gun crime data?  One stupid outcome is the feds can't study baby head injuries because some of them MIGHT be from gunshots.

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      My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      You can't see the game without a scorecard.  Below is a map representing the degree of gun regulations where the darker greens equal better regulations.
      

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   PrettyPantherposted 8 years ago

   2012 Election Results, by County
   http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2012/
   
   
   
   The pattern is quite similar.  Any thoughts as to why?

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   colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

   Listen to statistics from Bill Whittle here. 
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz … e=youtu.be

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   wildernessposted 8 years ago

   Your pretty picture would seem to indicate there is a wide variance, but other than that, nothing.
   
   What do the colors mean?  The link doesn't say either - it, too, seems to simply indicate there is a variation.  What a shocker.
   
   Wonder how well it would match with a similar picture of murders (homicide)?  Would areas with more guns or gun controls have more murders or fewer?  That would seem to be a discussion point but just that it varies doesn't say much to me.

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      PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Well, I don't consider it to be a pretty picture.  Interesting, maybe, but not pretty.

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         wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Well, I don't know - if shades of blue = 1 gun homicide per decade and red shows 2, I'd be pretty happy.
         
         I suspect that is not the case, though.  Certainly it isn't (1 or 2) per year or the counties around me are totally fallacious, so your guess is as good as mine.

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            PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Here is the interactive map, with a link to the data:
            
            http://projects.oregonlive.com/ucc-shooting/gun-deaths

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               Anna C Taylorposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Based on this map I should consider moving to Iowa...

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               colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               I can tell you for a fact that map is FALSE where I live. 
               It is propaganda and not to be believed.
               
               It is very, very rare to have shootings around here.
               There are more people injured by a rare hunting accidents.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I should believe you over the US Center for Disease Control and Prevention?  After the tripe you've posted on these forums?  LOLOLOLOL

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               wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Ahh.  Thank you.  A 7 year time span, ending 5 years ago - I wonder how and why that was chosen? 
               
               I did find the fact reasonably accurate for my county (10)...IF every murder was done by a gun (doubtful as I remember one by dragging behind a car and one by drowning).  Of course, I also note that Massachussetts area has a rate 7, while other stats show it to be around 2.5 per year.  Or 17 - I figure I would still question.
               
               http://www.mass.gov/eopss/docs/eops/pub … -jul09.pdf
               
               All that's left is to understand what it means (except to extrapolate that there are more murders than that) and to stay away from those areas.  I don't find significance in the political map except to not most of the blue is high density (and known to be high murder rates) while the red is spread everywhere else.

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            Anna C Taylorposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Here's another interesting source that might answer some of your questions: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the- … f-america/
            
            I think there is a difference between gun deaths and homicides since is some states, like Oregon, the most gun deaths are actually suicides. But when thinking about  this issue I think it's important to take all details into account.
            
            Most gun-related death statistics are per 100,000 residents, though on the original map it's unclear.
            
            
            
            
            

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               My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Mass shootings are a relative rarity, aren't they?  They make up less than 0.1% of all gun deaths.  So, your point is?

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                  Anna C Taylorposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Gun deaths are a problem even if they aren't mass shootings...
                  
                  I don't know I'm concerned about accidental shootings and murders too. Just because the media likes to shrug those deaths off doesn't mean it isn't a big deal and something we need to be aware of. All gun deaths are a problem.

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                     My Esotericposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     That was sort of my point.  The real issues are first and foremost suicides and then homicides between friends and family (the primary source for guns in the hands of criminals, btw).  Those two categories would be most reduced if the states followed MA's or CT's gun laws.

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                        wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Is there something in place in MA or CT to eliminate the same killing from happening using a different tool?  Or is it just a pipe dream that killers won't kill if they don't have access to a gun?

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                        Anna C Taylorposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Ah I get what you're saying. In that case, I'm not arguing with you.

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   colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

   PrettyKitty, NiceKtty! 

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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   Being media observant , I have definitely found that we can no longer rely upon fact in our media  !   Google up anything about  crime rates  , gun deaths ,  geo- accuracy in fact based studies  of crime . Anything  to do with real fact . And what you get is SLANT ,  politically biased  numbers , "expert "  opinions , but never do we get accurate accounts of    crime stats. I  also believe  that it's a concerted, if however disorganized ,  effort put forth by media and government to  keep us from the realization that our traditionally based opinions of  things that are  wrong in America is pretty  real .  Yet , those who realize and point  that , minorities  , race ,  cultures outside of those assimilated into our culture, have negatively influenced ours , are called bigots .  And , That  order in our society is beginning  to crumble ! Especially inner cities ,    I also believe that, like it or not  ,  American cities , towns  or in  rural America , our people  have become so detached from traditional roles , that we are in a  moral  and ethical drift ,   the influences of immigration  of "other "cultures  in America  has tuned our melting pot  stew  into a fairly distasteful gruel  !
   
   Want fact ?   Make up your own .

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