I may have to admit that I could be wrong about this guy and my erroneous perception of him as a rightwing loon. But the GOP may have judged him in error as well and he could well be too blue to nominated by so reactionary a party as the Republicans.
Carson supported various initiatives at both companies (Kelloggs and Costco), such as barring discrimination based on gender identity, providing health insurance for employees' domestic partners, and offering more diversity training. Because of such changes the companies now are ranked as some of the best in the United States by lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender advocates.
There is no way the GOP base will ever tolerate an opened minded candidate like this, he just as well pack his bags.... Maybe he might consider running as a Democrat, the common sense stances are far more reflective of the more progressive of the two major political parties.
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My thoughts are a lot in line with presidential candidate Ben Carson and I dare say the rest of the GOP. That the Constitution is for the rights of ALL people.
Dr. Carson and his wife's personal belief on marriage is that marriage is between a man and woman. He supports the right of every one's personal beliefs though they may be different from his own. Rather, he defends lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgenders, and their lifestyles.
He is not a religious bigot or a homophobic who forces his beliefs on others, though he has personal beliefs. Because of that, I believe he is able to separate church and state and would be a great president who would respect we the people and not special interests.
I'm so glad you started this thread.
Dr. Carson's approach to these issues has surprised me, but this 'acceptance' is not part of the GOP ideology. I am glad that you approve of the thread, but watch, the GOP is are going to find a way to disqualify him as too liberal. You can't get caught advocating progressive positions privately and yet "being Republican" in your public persona.
I do not believe the GOP will try to disqualify Dr. Carson because of his kind heartedness, but I could be wrong. Rather, I would place my poker chips on the extreme-left and liberal-media twisting his words and therefore attempting to disqualify him by somehow baiting the GOP.
Dr. Carson is running under the Republican party but I see him as a man who is for the people, not for the Republicans or for the Democrats. The doctor truly has a heart to heal.
You can talk about the liberal media, but mark my words, the GOP will 'deep six' him as not conservative enough and blame the 'so called' liberal media for the outcome.
I took note of your words. If you are right, I will admit I was wrong but I think I am right. I don't mind being wrong, but I like being right.
I agree that he probably will not make it to the nomination, but I think it may be his political inexperience that will sink him, more than just the digestion of the party. It may be the GOP powers that drive the nail, but I think it will really be more an affect of the political machine than just the GOP that gets the job done.
I don't mean that to be ambiguous, I do agree that he seems not to fit any mold the GOP wants to accept, but I think it will be the political professionals that derail Ben Carson.
I see the man as too honest to make it through the primary race. Which is to our detriment, because I think, (I know, too many "I thinks" already, but it is just my opinion). Heaven forbid that the public should recognize integrity when they see it and put enough pressure on the party apparatus to accept their recommendation. That is the Curmudgeon's view. He would love to be wrong, but history is on his side.
I am thinking about comparing him to Jimmy Carter; just on the other side of the spectrum. (and a few other important differences).
[ADDED] (cute, doesn't that beat all, speaking of a political machine). Oddly, after previewing this for errors, it occurs to me that the Carter reference might be more appropriate than first thought.
So, we do agree on something. You will have to look hard to find any one of the GOP contenders that in all aspects pass the litmus test for ideology cohesion with that of the driving force of the party. All of that is driving harder and faster to the Right. Without going into the whys and wherefores, Carson is probably being held to a higher standard. When he is fed to the wolves, Trump and the other contenders will whittle him down to non-existence in the polls. The party apparatchiks can stand on the side lines and let the revels continue.
Having Dr. Carson, a black candidate, could dispel some of the GOP's most negative images in regard to diversity and inclusion, but compared to the ideological litmus test all off that will take a back seat.
How does Jimmy Carter's circumstance remind you of what Dr. Carson is going through now?
I wasn't thinking of a comparison of what either was going through, but one of similar circumstances in their political life.
I do not think Jimmy Carter was a "burning to be president" politician, as say, several of the current crop of Republican contenders. I think his candidacy was more driven by a political group/machine, and a source of big political money than his desire for the presidency. Not as a knock against Pres. Carter, (I do have a few for him), but I do not think he was the driving force. I get the same feeling from Mr. Carson. He may have thought about politics as he made those early public statements that got everyone's attention, but I think he was making them more as a testament than political maneuver. I think it is a "political group/machine, and a source of big political money" that has chosen Ben Carson too.
Think of a Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, or a Cruz and Carson comparison. I bet we both would name the same two as the political sharks.
I can't believe someone would think Ben Carson is "too blue".
Ben Carson is against abortion for rape victims and incest survivors.
Ben Carson is for repealing Roe v. Wade.
Ben Carson thinks blanket cuts by 10% are the way to go, which obviously will disproportionately effect those government agencies that are underfunded or already stretched too thin.
Ben Carson is a walking case of Godwin's Law. He's described everything from Obamacare to gay-marriage being the law (which he won't challenge supposedly) to being like Hitler. He compares everything to Hitler. He's a cartoon. He's like a six-year-old who just learned "Hitler was bad" and knows nothing else in the world.
Ben Carson lived in public housing, was supported by public funding throughout all of his schooling, and was admitted via Affirmative Action and he wants to cut all of these programs. He's a classic case of a self-loather, and the crab at the bottom of the barrel who is trying to keep all the other crabs from climbing out.
Ben Carson thinks corporate tax causes national debt. Seriously. Look it up.
Ben Carson thinks the debate on climate change is a "distraction" or is irrelevant.
Ben Carson has compared America to the Roman Republic (even though he meant "Empire") numerous times in the vein of their being too decadent and immoral and hence their collapse -- in other words, Ben Carson knows absolutely nothing about one of the most famous and well-studied empires in history.
Ben Carson thinks domestic clandestine spying will make workers work harder.
Ben Carson is the farthest thing from open-minded. Hell, even Donald Trump pays lip service to the idea of "income inequality" and "saving the middle class".
I can't go into the voting booth and pull the lever on his behalf, if there is such a thing as 'moderation' for the GOP, he is approching it and it will well be his undoing.
"...there's a new kid in town..."
Of course it is as valid for you to hold your opinions Jeremy, as it is for anyone else, but you don't seem to be scoring so well on the facts, and. I think your opinions are straight from a "talking points" hand-out too.
I can provide references, (I think they are credible ones), that say you are wrong about the rape or incest declaration, can you prove you are right?
I can provide references, (I think they are credible ones), that say you are wrong about Dr. Carson advocating for the repeal of Roe v. Wade. Can you prove you are right.
That you think the 10% thing is insane only means that it is your ox that would get gored. An opinion.
Hey, I have heard of Godwin's Law too. Small world. Does that automatically make the comparison invalid?
But the public housing part, (and the rest), was the topper. How dare he exhibit the results of his individual efforts. Get that light back under the basket!
I believe there is a huge element in the right that want someone outside of the norm for identifying the new conservative movement . A non -career political entity . This guy is pretty amazing ! I will seriously consider Ben Carson over at least half of the candidates . Ted Cruz is growing on my list as well !.....A combination ?
Unfortunately the outsiders will have to deal with Hillary who is about as mainstream as they come. Oh sure she acts as if she will implement a lot of what Bernie Sanders is advocating but she is a chameleon with this putting on a cloak of his ideas as her own but shortly after the election going back to business as usual.
As far as the GOP is I like Kasich and Pataki so far but they are not a blip on the radar screen as far as the far right wing of the party is concerned. What a shame as Hillary will be more of the same but a slave to slightly different masters. America may be fed up with established politicians but in the same breath they will elect another one. Hillary is a shoe in short of some disaster. Look how sweet she smells coming out of Banghazi and the email fiasco. Wake up GOP!
Dr.Carson is brilliant , by todays political standards he is way more than capable to lead , The problem is that we all do want a "cage fight " in the primaries , in the election process , and in leadership . A passive speaking leader is so out of style in todays very vocal ,thoughtless , juvenile debating games . Look at his life story , look at his intelligence , the problem with American voters these days is that you will always vote for image . This is after all , the age of American Idol .
Dr. Carson is NOT Brilliant, Too Meek & Fragile, Very STRANGE, Admitted he takes a Pill which some say is supported by Fraudulent Disease Cure CLAIMS, he is more than Willing to GIFT even MORE of OUR Wealth to GREEDY Corrupt Wall Street & Billionaires, he has Difficulty Reading & Interpreting the U.S. Constitution as most republicans do, if given the CHANCE he will Administer a "RELIGIOUS Test" for President which will Exclude Muslims and Perhaps others such as Catholics, REAL Christians, Jews etc, AND he is FAR Too African American to receive the Republican Hillbilly Nomination ~
President Obama is only HALF African American and he DROVE more than a MILLION republicans straight into the Insane Asylum ~
Just a PARTIAL List of DETRIMENTS for Dr. Carson ~ ****
No, Dr.Carson doesn't have what Pres. Obama has does he ?
Obama . One of the most deceptive socialist- liberals to ever hit the market . One who has essentially doubled the national debt . Who created a health care system that will increase in costs 30% this year . Who thinks that because 15 million people drop out of the job market , that unemployment has dropped . Someone who increased food stamp recipients by 15 million people . Someone who has reinstated the war in Iraq and Afghanistan , created one in Syria.
No , you're right Dr. Carson doesn't have what Pres. Obama has !
AP. as compared to the past eight years where liberals have labeled conservatives racist's ; You sure are getting a lesson in this election lesson ! Remember the old "Too white and too old " from eight years ago ?
How's it feel now , Hillary , Bernie ,Joe ? I can't wait for young liberals like you to mature . I've been there , You'll get here too , I think !
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