President Obama's Dissparities in Justice ?

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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   As he has so eloquently announced  lately ,-- If there are disparities  in our justice system ,- disparities in WHO  perpetrates  crimes is more than likely the cause !   Look to the cultural   idiosyncrasies of  how crime is committed , look to who uses the most illegal drugs ,   look to the  extensive records of  criminals  ,   If you still see "disparities "  . That might be the place you look to solution !   
   
   Stop blaming White America !
   
   Will you always go to race ?

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      Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      So what are you bantering about now, Ahorseback?
      
      What is the source of this most recent diatribe? There are disparities in law enforcement and the criminal justice system that correlate with race that are quite well documented statistically. No one is blaming anyone, but I want the differences evaluated and looked into. Is that asking too much?

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      rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      This comes down all the way from the Supreme Court. What numbskull thought it was a good idea to nominate and confirm any judge with a leaning any particular way? Judges should be impartial. It puts a whole new meaning to hanging judges. Liberal or conservative, what difference does it make. In keeping with the way Congress confirms them and Presidents nominate them someday we will only need them to vote as debate will become fruitless.

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         colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Once again  you are correct, our justice system is skewed.  Judges are being forced to give lighter sentences for crimes or give probation to convicted criminals because of Obama's flawed prison reform. Convicts' sentences are being reduced while incarcerated and released early into the public. 
         
         I was always taught safety first.  Better to be safe then sorry.

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            Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            So, you think that leaving the system as it is is better than the attempt to reform? I applaud the president's effort at tackling this issue. i think reform is long overdue, with so many people incarcerated just for marijuana, a substance that is well on the way to being legalized, perhaps we might consider releasing inmates from old mandatory minimum sentencing in regard to this. There is a racial element to this problem. Conservatives figure that the more Blacks you have incarcerated the fewer of them would be allowed to vote, perhaps that is what is behind the criticism from many areas of the Right? Have you ever thought about that?
            
            For you is Obama always to blame for your weather, or the fact that you burned your toast at breakfast?
            
            One can lose credibility when their attacks are seen as reflexive, blind and unsupported.

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               colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Cruz is fighting for the safety of all Americans and that includes legal immigrants.  Kate's Law would take the illegal immigrants who are murders and rapists out of the sanctuary cities and hold them to the law.  Oh no, no, no.  Obama wants them to have amnesty. 
               
               Harry Reid is hold things up so that Kate's Law does not reach Obama's desk.  Hmm!  Now, why would that be?  Because, every sane person who wants their children to be safe is in favor of Kate's Law.
               
               "Senator Ted Cruz Destroys Harry Reid Over Opposition To Kate's Law"
               
               Read more: http://www.hannity.com/articles/hanpr-i … z3qjVTusTX
               
               Illegal Immigrant Crime Statistics
               http://www.hannity.com/articles/immigra … -14071275/
               
               "Between 2008 and 2014, 40% of all murder convictions in Florida were criminal aliens. In New York it was 34% and Arizona 17.8%.
               
               During those years, criminal aliens accounted for 38% of all murder convictions in the five states of California, Texas, Arizona, Florida and New York, while illegal aliens constitute only 5.6% of the total population in those states.
               
               That 38% represents 7,085 murders out of the total of 18,643."
               
               Pft, "reflexive, blind and unsupported"?  I see!

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                  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  If you are going to cite a reference source, don't use an irresponsible and biased clown like Sean Hannity. Here is a credible, balanced and responsible reference source.
                  
                  http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc … ng/403990/

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                     colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     Exactly, there are laws on the books that are NOT being enforced by the president. 
                     
                     Confirmed!

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                        Alternative Primeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Um.... Just like ALL the Laws ALL Previous Presidents have NOT Enforced ~ Including your Precious C Nservative PREZiz'

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                           colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                           I'm not sure who my "Precious" is suppose to be in your mind.  When it comes down to it the corrupt politicians today are more concern about getting very rich by being pro-Obamatrade.  (and other influential investments)

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                  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati … /30159479/
                  
                  I like this source better, check on the 2 paragraphs from the Center for Immigration Studies, a source for information far more credible than Hannity.
                  
                  Hannity is a Fox lapdog a rightwing sensationalist, contrary to any idea of responsible journalism.

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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   Pres. Obama's rant about disparities in race and justice , are clearly  racial in origin .   If he wants to believe that minorities  are  MORE likely to be imprisoned  ,  He should not be afraid to admit  that minorities are possibly , probably  more likely to be involved in crime .    A quick study of Recidivism  in crime is  an enlightenment  unto itself . 
   
   He has always jumped to the conclusion of  racism !

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      colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Councilman Robert Battle is in jail for a charge of murder and drug charges.  He was just REELECTED as  the East Chicago 3rd District Councilman.  No one else ran against him.  Maybe no one dared in Obama's home town?  Liberals are being mums the word.  Some people are calling for his resignation because of the charges, but Battle's attorney says he is "innocent" until proven guilty.  He is seeking bail.
      
      
      
      Something is very wrong and this would not happen if Obama didn't allow it.

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         Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

         This is unfortunate, but Obama is not King for Life, but merely President of the United States. Believe me, if what you have here is true, I am not pleased.
         
         But I cant help to think that if either of your heroes Bush or Reagan was under similar straits, I would not be hearing all of this now.
         
         Obama is not responsible for corruption found in Chicago municipal politics.

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            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            My heroes, "heroes Bush or Reagan"? Wow, you make some far out personal judgements.  I sure would appreciate it if you would stop that. After all you aren't making me look bad. 
            
            Here's what I think of Bush. Its great news coverage, unlike the liberal media in the US.  I'm starting to like Russia better everyday. 
            "Russia Today Declares ‘9/11 Was An Inside Job’"
            http://www.conspiracyclub.co/2015/04/10 … nside-job/
            
            As far as Ronald Reagan goes, I was young and not into following politics.  Its only more recently that I have dug into what he had to say and was about.  His words then ring true today.  "Government is not the solution to our problems, the government is the problem." 
            http://www.conspiracyclub.co/2015/04/10 … nside-job/
            
            Have a nice day, unless you have other plans!
            
            Added: "A Time For Choosing" 
            I listened to this speech by R. Reagan for the first time last month.  I have to say that it is one of the most important speeches in history, ever.  And,...it is oh too true today.   I always wondered why Reagan changed from the Democratic party to the Republican party until I listened to his speech.  Its because he saw the truth! 
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBswFfh6AY

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               Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Obviously, you admire Ronald Reagan, right?
               
               While you were a little girl, I was grown and watched first hand while Reagonomics wreaked havoc with the nations economy and became a new standard yardstick for all that followed.
               
               I am just stating a fact, not making you look bad...
               
               Sorry, I miss judged you about Bush, most of the rightwing seem to revere him and long for the days of his incompetence. Compared to him Obama is a saint.

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                  colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  We have already agreed to disagree, and I am comfortable with that. I don't know anything about what caused economic problems before, during or after Reagan's presidency. That might be an interesting study for me at a later date. Might be hard to get to the truth with the way the media is, but I'll dig. 
                  
                  I do have to give you credit for being right about the GOP attacking Carson after the MSM pulled their BS story.  You called it. Donald Trump is using those talking points to attempt to ruin Carson now too.  I am disappointed but did expect it from him if anyone. Very disappointed. I cannot side with liers or anyone who just doesn't know the truth and ends up spreading lies inadvertently.  I trust that Trump is smarter then that!  He will be loosing more respect.

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                     Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     I am sorry the GOP fed Carson to the wolves, but like we both now understand, it was to be expected.
                     
                     I also mention that Trump has no real character, and being fabulously wealthy is no replacement for it. Most of these people do know the truth but the agenda is to spread the lie. There is nothing worse than a man who kicks another man when he is down.....
                     
                     Get a variety of sources and check out Reagan for yourself...

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                        colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Well, so far just Donald Trump as far as I know.  Jeb was defending Carson via Twitter. Now, don't take me wrong, I do not support the idea of another Bush. 
                        
                        (I had a little emergency here with Mom, she fell asleep standing and took a tumble. Forgot I was writing this reply till now. )

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                           Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                           No problem, thanks

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                  GA Andersonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Oh my! Just stating a fact are you? Sounds more like an opinion to me. And one I disagree with.
                  
                  I do know that even now there are still credible voices on both sides of the "Reaganomics" debate. And both of us can find credible opinions in line with ours, so I won't enjoin a links war with you. But, here are two statements that I think are true;
                  
                  1. "...When President Reagan entered office in 1981, he faced actually much worse economic problems than President Obama faced in 2009.  Three worsening recessions starting in 1969 were about to culminate in the worst of all in 1981-1982, with unemployment soaring into double digits at a peak of 10.8%.  At the same time America suffered roaring double-digit inflation, with the CPI registering at 11.3% in 1979 and 13.5% in 1980 (25% in two years). " (From a Fobres article)
                  
                  2. "...-- the United States experienced the longest sustained peacetime prosperity in its history." (PBS article about Reagan's time in office)
                  
                  My point being that even the Bluest of Reagan opponents would have a hard time discrediting either factually.  So stick an "I think" in there or gird for a new Reagan thread.
                  
                  ps. I recently heard a new definition for statisticians and graphists that agrees with my thoughts about "fact" battles;
                  "A  statistician is someone that can draw a straight line between an assumption and a foregone conclusion.
                  Sounds like to the old song about stats in general. You know the one.
                  
                  GA

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                     Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     Everybody has a right to their own facts, GA, it just depends on which ones we cling to and which ones we choose to ignore.
                     
                     It does not take too much digging on my part to find a lot not to like about the Reagan presidency... I can substantiate that too, if I must. I am aware of what Reagan faced when taking over from Carter, but this 2008 recession was unprecedented in my lifetime.
                     
                     I have a lot of problems with Mr. Deficit spending, tax cut that I would have no trouble inviting you to fencing match over
                     
                     C'est la vie, vive la difference!

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                        GA Andersonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        "Everybody has a right to their own facts..."
                        
                        Are you sure about that? We all get our own facts?
                        
                        Of course you can find a lot to not like, it's in your blue blood to think so, but can you find a lot to refute those two statements about Reagan? Regarding the severity of the two recessions they faced, what has that to do with the Reagan criticism you presented?
                        
                        It seems that the "facts" are settled. It is only the ideological differences that you can realistically argue.
                        
                        As to the match, you're on. But I will start it tomorrow, it is too late tonight.
                        
                        GS

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                           Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                           OK

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                           Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                           Well GA, its 'High Noon" and I' m calling you out!
                           
                           The statements that you presents as absolutes are like most debatable topics are relative.
                           
                           Check this out, it may prove to be interesting springboard for our chat...
                           
                           http://www.debate.org/debates/Ronald-Re … k-Obama/3/

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   Disappearingheadposted 8 years ago

   Shouldn't all party leaders and presidential candidates be forced to take an intelligence and general knowledge test to weed out those most likely to cause harm to peace and global prosperity? Perhaps we wouldn't have had an illegal war in Iraq and all the resulting chaos in the Middle East.

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      ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I believe the intelligence test however , should be given to the voters .   I wonder when was,The Last Great Election , in America ?       I believe it was Ronald Reagan's ,    since then   we have gone downhill  quickly .     The voting public in America  is naïve ,  uninformed , unconnected to reality in political issues ,  most people don't know what's going on in the REST of the world   either.  It amazes me to  talk or listen to many younger people answering  questions about anything without parroting  an ideal or lame party line . .

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         Disappearingheadposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Most young people are more interested in voting items on Facebook or for some wannabes on TV talent shows. I think it remiss of education systems that school children are not routinely educated about basic economics, the theory of democracy or given an objective comparative study on the differences and similarities of political parties.

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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   Exactly ,    we are moving quickly away from an more intelligence driven   education system , towards one of selfish  origins ,  personal  entitlements  are the new result where personal  sacrifice  was the old ?

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   colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

   
   
   Like memes with facts!

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