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Multiple Enemies of the US Citizen.

  1. Don Fairchild profile image83
    Don Fairchildposted 9 months ago

    The U.S. Government -- The Top 1000 Corporations -- The Socialists -- The Extremist elements on all sides are all out to take control of the United States of America. 
    The extremely distressful aspect of this situation is that the average citizen doesn't realize from which direction the bullets are coming from!
    The current Presidential proceedings have brought forth a very enlightening new development in the Presidential process.  We are on the edge of a President that at the least would be a totally independent President.  This happened only once when Millard Fillmore took office as a member of the Wig party, but he wasn't elected into office as he filled the office of Zackary Tailor.  The only elected independent president might only have been George Washington. So this has never really happened before in United States history therein lies our 21st century problem.
    When you consider that the elections are really controlled by big interests and outside influence with huge amounts of money, it is no wonder that the GOP and Democrats are fit to be tied over the Trump problem.  Nobody can buy him off can they.  The GOP is really angry that they can't place their favorite boys in the leadership, because the money barons will take of the heads of the GOP management..... 
    The Democrats are likewise in a terrible predicament similar in nature to the problems on the GOP side, they are far and wide from finding a majority of the voters who are willing to vote for a liar/criminal/elite or a self proclaimed socialist.  Even all the undocumented voters could push the popular vote over the Democrat edge this time.
    Lets look at the money influence groups that are getting really angry at their perceived loss of control over the citizen populace.
    The banks are still angry with being forced to give out free mortgages to obvious credit risks. The bank bailout was the democrats way of saying "sorry" at our expense. 
    The Health Care debacle devised at the hand of Clinton/Pelosi then forward lateral to the Obama administration, much like tossing a hand grenade to Obama, then praised for his expert catch.
    Foreign governments are not too happy either, they see their cash cows disappearing once a president enters office that can't be bought.  China, Russia, Saudi's, and others are starting to behave rather badly lately, why -- why indeed, if they can't get our money then they make trouble for us.
    The extremist keep us confused with orchestrated confusion that is specifically geared to pit you and I against each other.  They keep the level of contention between us so that we are unable to act responsibly to allow us to run a government as it should be operated without devious destruction of our infrastructure.
    The Socialists and Progressive want to control you and your money and they will use bogus legislation and court intervention in order to take that control out of your hands. This control is most insidious because no one notices the changes until it is too late.  It doesn't take a village, only free clear minded individual who can reach a majority decision under any circumstance.

    So be prepared for a really rough ride like we have never seen before, and let us hope that sanity prevails.

    "United We Stand, Divided We Fall"  Aesop; 6th century BC
    "My sons, if you are of one mind, and unite to assist each other, you will be as this bundle, uninjured by all the attempts of your enemies; but if you are divided among yourselves, you will be broken as easily as these sticks."

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    1. Live to Learn profile image82
      Live to Learnposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      I agree with this statement, but I don't think America is ready yet to stand united. As evidenced by the candidates garnering support.

      Trump, an obvious divider, an individual who pushes the negative at every turn in order to find supporters, is not a unifier, yet he is at the front of the Republican field.

      Clinton, whose myriad baggage is there for all to see, is the front runner of her party.

      Both, with negative approval ratings in any poll I've looked at. There is no unity there. Just the chance to ensure our nation becomes that much more divided.

      Until we, as a people, stop looking at each other with distrust and we start to listen to each other; until we are willing to find the common threads that bind us and push for those; allowing for the fact that the issues which divide us should be studied to determine why they do and we find compromise among ourselves on these; our political system will continue to be a mirror image of what is broken in all of us.

      We are the problem in America today. We need to stop looking to Washington to fix it and begin the healing process among ourselves.

      1. Don Fairchild profile image83
        Don Fairchildposted 9 months ago in reply to this

        The only reason that Clinton is a front runner is because they control the Democrat election process.  Isn't it strange that there is only one opposition running against her? When the debate rules stated that there had to be three candidates to attend the debates, they went out into the street and grabbed an unknown person to stand in front of the cameras for a couple of hours, so where is he now?
        There is nothing Democratic about the Democrat party anymore, there was a time when the Democrats actually did govern the country for the average middle class person, but those days are Long Gone!

        1. Credence2 profile image85
          Credence2posted 9 months ago in reply to this

          So, where did you come from? Welcome to the salt mines...

          You said

          "There is nothing Democratic about the Democrat party anymore, there was a time when the Democrats actually did govern the country for the average middle class person, but those days are long gone!

          Conservatives always say the Democrats 'lost me' during the time of the Kennedy administration. So what have the GOP become? A bunch of bible banging, fascist hypocrites and while people complain about Democrats dismissing and taking the middle class for granted, the GOP's mission is to destroy it in its entirety as shown in every reflex and policy position it takes.

          I don't disguise the fact that I don't like conservatives nor their politics, and I am honest about it.

          So if the Democrats are bad, the Republicans are worse!!!!

          1. Live to Learn profile image82
            Live to Learnposted 9 months ago in reply to this

            Sadly, I'll have to agree with your assessment of most candidates in the Republican party who appear to garner support. I've always been a fiscal conservative but the Republican party has gone so off message from what pulled me to them years ago that I am at a loss of how to proceed.

            1. Credence2 profile image85
              Credence2posted 9 months ago in reply to this

              Generally, there is nothing wrong with a fiscal conservative view. It is just that what 'conservatism' as reflected by the GOP and its intellectual base is is anything but moderate.

              We are going to have a stark choice this year, I have not given up on the possibility of Sanders as the Democratic nominee.

              I can't afford to sit it out and complain about the outcome, I would just kick myself.

              1. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 9 months ago in reply to this

                "I have not given up on the possibility of Sanders as the Democratic nominee."

                You might as well accept it as a done deal.  The real rulers - the VIP's of the party - have bought their candidate and what the people want is irrelevant.

                1. Credence2 profile image85
                  Credence2posted 9 months ago in reply to this

                  "You might as well accept it as a done deal"

                  Well, Wilderness, I don't and I haven't. An undemocratic process will produce pandemonium at the nomination convention. We will see....

                  1. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 9 months ago in reply to this

                    I think we've already seen that "undemocratic process" at work, and there was no pandemonium, just business as usual.  Nor do I see it happening at the convention any more than at the polls.  It is our system of political power in operation, that's all.

                    My prediction is Clinton vs Trump.  I take it you don't care for Clinton either, and will have the unenviable task of choosing the least of two evils (not uncommon sad )?  Will you choose based solely on the "D" in front of her name or will you try and get beneath the election rhetoric of Trump and understand what he might actually do (instead of building a wall, LOL).

                    You've made it plain that that magical "D" is the only thing that matters - is that true or just more rhetoric?  For while Trump carries the devils sign in that "R", he hasn't earned it and the party very much wishes he would disappear into the sunset.

          2. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 9 months ago in reply to this

            "So if the Democrats are bad, the Republicans are worse!!!!"

            it's hard to say one is worse than the other when either one will destroy the country.  Democrats with the socialist economics of impoverishing what's left of the middle class or Republicans with the insistence that religious freedom means the freedom to become Christian.  Either one will destroy what made American great, and will change the country beyond what is recognizable.  And both will lead to the downfall of a once great country.

            Both have good points.  Democrats value personal freedom more, except in matters of money, and Republicans are generally superior  in using our constitution as a ruling document, except in matters conflicting with their religion, instead of trying to weasel around it.  But in the end, both will destroy the country if allowed free rein.  Moderation is not a part of either side.

            1. Credence2 profile image85
              Credence2posted 9 months ago in reply to this

              We know we will always fundamental disagree as to the role of government as to its extent and direction in which we want to go.

              Over how many of the past decades have those afraid of change talk about threats that the end of the 'American way of life" and the downfall of a great country? We simply acknowledge the need for changes, implement them, and guess what, we are all still here. It depends on what you think makes America great, we will probably differ on that observation as well.

              A large and prosperous middle class has been a pillar of the successful American experiment.

          3. Don Fairchild profile image83
            Don Fairchildposted 9 months ago in reply to this

            You are missing my point entirely, I am speaking as a generic citizen about the problems that we face as citizens.  I mentioned that we (citizens) are under fire from all directions including Republicans, Democrats, Socialists, Capitalists etc. 
            They are pitting us against each other to bring about chaos in order win their own cause, which may be money, power whatever.  Regardless, they are not interested in your collective well being but only interested their own needs.
            How many times have you seen a political group who is in opposition of the overriding opinion (majority) of the civil population. Doesn't it seem odd that GOP is unhappy with a very popular candidate couched in the idea that he can't beat the opposition?   Or isn't it strange that in recent history the popular vote won a majority in a presidential race, but it was tossed out in favor of electoral college.  Or why is there only two candidates to choose from on the Democrat side,  How about why the Dems give billions of dollars to Banks, Car dealerships and numerous foreign countries?

            So quit your bitching about what your neighbor thinks about politics and stick together with them before the bad guys goad you into a fight where the antagonizer (third party) is the winner.

            1. Credence2 profile image85
              Credence2posted 9 months ago in reply to this

              Ok, Don, lets dissect your dialogue a bit, shall we? You seem to imply that Donald Trump is this 'new development' on the Presidential scene, one who can be totally independent, really?

              Trump is identifying himself as a Republican, an extremist element by definition already. If he was to be so 'independent' why not take the 3rd party route?

              You come off as a conservative-rightwing type with and 'everyman' shtick to give the impression that you are above the fray.

              The reality is that we differ as to what and how a responsible government should be run.

              Trump is just another plutocrat promoting the extremist agenda of the political right and its supporters. Despite what he says, he is not powerful enough to move mountains in Washington just because he had his television show.

              So, again, I ask you, who is 'they'?

              The problem is political groups who are in opposition of the overiding public opinion that use their money to corrupt our politicians. Guess which of the extremist sides have proven more resistant to reform this basic flaw?

              The GOP is concerned about having a candidate that does well among Republicans but may not do so well among the general electorate next fall. If I were them, I would be concerned as well.

              I have problems with the electoral college, this has not been a running problem as you can count on your hand the number of presidential contests where the popular vote winner loses the presidency to the electoral college.

              I do not 'bitch' but give my opinion based on what I see, and I have been around long enough to recognize a 'red herring' when I see one.

              1. Don Fairchild profile image83
                Don Fairchildposted 9 months ago in reply to this

                Democracy in its purest form is that the Majority of the population's opinion is regarded as the dominating ruling opinion.  Previous opponents of this majority used to always bend to the majority opinion in the effort of standing united for the sake of the entire populace. (At least prior to the current trend that majority opinion doesn't count) Remember when a defeated politician would always tell his followers to support the new majority elected official, when was the last time you saw that happening?

                It is tiring to watch a constant keyhole of people being forced into either a left or right opinion.  I am neither left, right or otherwise.  But I do respect the majority opinion how ever it turns out.  That way I know that for the most part I am part of a group that has the correct ideals at least for that moment in time.  I also disdain the tactics used by extremist groups that try to kill a majority only to bring chaos into our otherwise well running society.

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 9 months ago in reply to this

                  To a point you are correct.  Our system, however, has definite protections built into it for the minority, so that the majority doesn't just run roughshod over the rights of that minority. 

                  And that is as it should be.  "Pure" democracy is unworkable as a governing system as it inevitably results in gross oppression of any differences from the majority opinions or desires.

                2. Credence2 profile image85
                  Credence2posted 9 months ago in reply to this

                  John McCain gave a very good concession speech in regard to Barack Obama's victory in 2008.

                  Wilderness is right about Democracy being tempered with the rule of law and fundemental rights as rules of the game that protect minority interests.

                  Then you are a rare species who do not have any preferences as to what in your mind composes a well run society outside of the wishes as reflected in the vote of the majority? What are those ideals, that you consider to be correct?

        2. colorfulone profile image89
          colorfuloneposted 9 months ago in reply to this

          I agree with...Democracy has escaped the Democratic party long ago, the fix is in, has been for ages.  But, the GOP has drastically changed into something nearly unrecognizable too.  Money and power corrupts. 

          Trump has won the GOP nomination but the establishment doesn't want Trump, because he will further expose them too.   The GOP establishment is befuddled and frustrated together with the Dems.

          1. rhamson profile image76
            rhamsonposted 9 months ago in reply to this

            +1

          2. Credence2 profile image85
            Credence2posted 9 months ago in reply to this

            Looks like both of our sides have similar problems...

            1. colorfulone profile image89
              colorfuloneposted 9 months ago in reply to this

              Donald said he'd like to punch some guy in the face who was protesting at his NV event. The man was hitting Trump supporters in the face. He said we can't do that anymore and that they use to have to carrying people out (not him) ... I'm not sure how long ago that was happening at events. But, I thought it was interesting.  Maybe people have evolved  Maybe some are backsliding?

            2. Don Fairchild profile image83
              Don Fairchildposted 9 months ago in reply to this

              The parties have changed for the worse.  The big money rulers are used to buying out both parties with tons of money. They currently own the top Dem and GOP leaders with huge payouts of influence.
              So now here comes a rich guy who will not take bribe money and lo and behold the big money types are really pissed off that they can't buy influence on a very popular opponent.  Why do you think there is so much infighting within the GOP over a favorite candidate?  The big money that usually runs the GOP their way, are now stifled.
              Big money on the Dem side also wants to control, but their choices are dismal at best.  So the net effect is that the popular grass roots (Majority) opinion is winning out over the big money influence. Hoooray....

              1. colorfulone profile image89
                colorfuloneposted 9 months ago in reply to this

                That is an accurate assessment, I believe. 

                I shouldn't be stunned at what Sen. Lindsey Graham said, “If you killed Ted Cruz on the floor of the Senate, and the trial was in the Senate, no one would convict you.”

                A moment of honestly and clarity of how it works with the big boys.

              2. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 9 months ago in reply to this

                I don't know about being stifled - I don't think we've seen the end of GAP machinations to get Trump out of the running.  We even hear mutterings of the GOP producing a third candidate if Trump wins the nomination.

                So it's far from over, I think.  Trump is no more beholden to the GOP party than he is to the Democrat party, and that's a problem for the GOP.  They don't want him, and will do what they can (probably to the point of electing Clinton) to keep him out of office.

                1. Don Fairchild profile image83
                  Don Fairchildposted 9 months ago in reply to this

                  Totally agree here, and having a third or even forth candidate running in the independent spot is really scary.  And I don't mean Trump in the independent spot, I am worried that either Romney or Blumeburg or both running independent could really change the dynamics in a terrible way.  Lets hope not. But I wouldn't put it past the GOP money guys to fund an independent trick just to slap Trump in the face.

              3. colorfulone profile image89
                colorfuloneposted 9 months ago in reply to this

                I feel the same excitement...Hooray!  smile  I've gotten over my skepticism. Trump says things I don't always agree with, (but who am I).  However, Trump says what needs to be said and doesn't have time for the politically correct nonsense (neither do I). 

                Trump has said he will unify the Republican party. If that isn't an olive branch, I don't know what it is.  The GOP's heads have to be about spinning into orbit over that deal.  We'll see if they sold their souls.  It has to be scary for those who meet in secret chambers.

      2. rhamson profile image76
        rhamsonposted 9 months ago in reply to this

        It is funny how you discredit the Democratic Socialist with a great deal of support from those who only on average contribute $27.00. Then you call for a united we stand conclusion.

        1. Credence2 profile image85
          Credence2posted 9 months ago in reply to this

          I think that is pretty impressive. The only candidate that is supported by the people as reflected in numerous smaller campaign contributions rather than by Party machines, or the pompous self-promoting of a single individual.

          That is democracy at its best....

    2. colorfulone profile image89
      colorfuloneposted 9 months ago

      That is a great post, and well written.  People of common sense are uniting and Trump will be a common sense president.  He has evolved!   
       
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    3. Don Fairchild profile image83
      Don Fairchildposted 9 months ago

      Thanks for your thoughts, stay united.

     
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