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The Republican Party is literally destroying the country.

  1. Valeant profile image90
    Valeantposted 9 months ago

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    The amount of false propaganda emerging from that network is literally tearing this country apart.  Their viewers are so misinformed that it becomes impossible to have reasonable conversations with them. 

    Example, the environment is a huge issue and yet every single Republican candidate for president denies the science stating that we need to take action.  And their followers are blindly following along.

    The economy?  Yeah, on the verge of a collapse under Bush.  Jobs created under Obama, Dow at record highs.  Kansas under a Republican governor - let's cut taxes.  The state is a fire sale.

    Supreme Court?  Obama is doing his job.  Republican Senate - not so much. 

    The level of obstructionism is ridiculous.  Shutting down the government, costing the country huge amounts of money.  Refusing to confirm judges.

    Help the poor?  No, thanks.  Let's go buy a few more tanks.

    Women?  Minorities?  Not interested.

    1. Credence2 profile image85
      Credence2posted 9 months ago in reply to this

      My sentiments exactly, Valeant, nice a hear a voice of reason every now and then.

      The Right, as usual, lies and distorts the truth so that it may be more easily correlated with its loathsome agenda.

      1. Valeant profile image90
        Valeantposted 9 months ago in reply to this

        Today's beautiful headline to back up the point further....

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sen … c918090bb?

        1. Credence2 profile image85
          Credence2posted 9 months ago in reply to this

          Thanks for the article, yes, they even obstruct themselves. With all the comments, there seems to be lacking one that can reasonably explain the extent of obstruction experienced by the current President to that experienced by his 42 predecessors.

          Ken, how is it that no new  jobs were created under Obama, yet we approached full employment under the Bush administration? Why a differing yardstick whenever Obama is involved? It is amazing that the President was able to accomplish anything during his terms at all.

          To hold up allowing the President to do his job, appointing a replacement for Scalia, just because of blatant ideological bias is the trash the GOP is made of....

          I try, I really do, but I have to work hard to find any redeeming characteristic regarding the GOP of today. But,  I hope that the battle between Cruz and Trump tears the party apart.

    2. Ken Burgess profile image81
      Ken Burgessposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      Yeah, sorry no jobs have been created under Obama, we are well below the full living wage job number that we had in 2006.  I'm not blaming him for it, but that's a fact.  Unemployment numbers are down because they stop counting the unemployed when they go off benefits and stop reporting that they are looking for work.
      But whatever, you have your mind made up, Republicans are bad, the reality is the Democrats are just as bad, they play one race against another, one religion against another, both sides do it... and then they go about doing the work of the corporations, foreign interests, and anyone else who is lining their pockets and pulling their strings.
      In the last 20+ years they have passed NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO and TPP do some research on those, and that will tell you why jobs are leaving our country and wages are going down.  And its going to get worse.

      1. Valeant profile image90
        Valeantposted 9 months ago in reply to this

        I will agree to disagree that the economy is always in better hands under a democratic leader.

        As for the rest of your statement, I think that it's also an accurate assessment of things that need to be improved.  We need someone rich, like trump, but not so damned crazy to shake the system up.

        1. RJ Schwartz profile image91
          RJ Schwartzposted 9 months ago in reply to this

          I'm going to support Ken for the most part on this topic but would like to add that both parties are overly beholden to behind the scenes financial backers who are attempting to steer the nation in ways that suit them personally.  Professional politicians are entrenched with these backers and would literally sell their souls to stay in office.  I think term limits and some other rules are necessary to bring our government back in check.  A true representative of the people, not just half of the people as the current system dictates, would be a breath of fresh air and could help do more to mend the fences between neighbors than anything we've seen in a long time.

        2. Ken Burgess profile image81
          Ken Burgessposted 9 months ago in reply to this

          I don't think he is crazy... I think he is savvy, I think he is wily, he reminds me a bit of Theodore Roosevelt who was very full of himself, very self assured, a big personality with a lot of bluster.
          I also think he is not a polished politician, nor does he want to be.  I think he is in it only in part because he has a big ego... I think the bigger reason is he believes he can fix these major issues that he focuses on in his speeches, and I think he would be good for the country, for four years anyways, IF he made good on his efforts to change the Trade agreements, our inferior position to China, and get Mexico to build the wall.

          1. Valeant profile image90
            Valeantposted 9 months ago in reply to this

            The fact he believes he can get Mexico to build a wall is, in itself, crazy.  Definitely a false promise, and likely the root of the fallacy that is in the article everyone wants released.  That he doesn't even believe he can actually get that accomplished.

            1. Credence2 profile image85
              Credence2posted 9 months ago in reply to this

              The true mark of a demogogue, does not need to explain the how or why, it will happen on the sheer force of his will. Just trust him, he will make it happen. There have been more than a few Spanish expletives used in response to Trump's proposal by movers and shakers with the Mexican Government. In one article, Trump seemed to imply some saber rattling as a threat to Mexico. Do we prepare to repeat a conflict that occurred some 170 years ago?

              People make the mistake of not understanding that Donald Trump is only going to do what is best for Donald Trump. While Cruz is a beast, at least he is a consistent conservative type and is offering a pure form of that to his followers. Trump  will feed you a 'line' assuming that people are too stupid to read the fine print before they buy, and they are.  The man is a consummate salesman.

            2. Ken Burgess profile image81
              Ken Burgessposted 9 months ago in reply to this

              It's not crazy at all that he knows he can make Mexico pay for the building of the wall.  It is simple economics.  They have a 58 Billion dollar a year trade deficit.  Trump can do a variety of things to them to put economic pressure on them to make them pay for it... and he should.
              That's just it, all this PC, be nice to the other nation, let them do whatever they want, its destroying our country, its taking away millions of jobs, its allowing millions of illegal immigrants to come in from all over... heck we are shipping Syrian refugees here that are going on killing sprees here in America and its being hushed up by the media.
              Trump is simply pointing these things out and saying, this stuff isn't going to be allowed if I'm President.  And unlike a Politician, who I know is blowing smoke up my A__, I think he means it.

              1. Valeant profile image90
                Valeantposted 9 months ago in reply to this

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                1. Credence2 profile image85
                  Credence2posted 9 months ago in reply to this

                  I prefer your graphics over Colorfulone's

              2. colorfulone profile image88
                colorfuloneposted 9 months ago in reply to this

                +1
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                1. Valeant profile image90
                  Valeantposted 9 months ago in reply to this

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                  1. Credence2 profile image85
                    Credence2posted 9 months ago in reply to this

                    Couldn't help but to notice that. If there is one thing that I cannot abide, it is a 'chicken hawk'!

    3. rhamson profile image77
      rhamsonposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      I assume you are talking about the Fox Snooze as the culprit in the false and misleading propaganda coming out and I agree. But CNN is just as bad. I hear so many times newscasters on that network tell us "let us tell you what all this means" as a byline.

      Obama's job record is misleading as many have given up on looking for a job or settled for much lower paying options. [1]
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      "The US has lowered interest rates to the point where it is actually more profitable for many companies to borrow money and use the proceeds to buy back their own shares, thus eliminating the need to pay dividends on those shares." [2] This is a phony economy and is based on a phony market.

      I agree the level of obstructionism seems to be unprecedented at least in my recollection but is Obama or the GOP to blame? It is all our fault for not being good citizens and attending to our government. Many of us are too greedy to understand that paying taxes and contributing to the country is a civic duty. What we condemn we have created.


      [1] http://dailysignal.com/2012/09/06/fact- … der-obama/
      [2] http://dollarcollapse.com/stock-prices/ … ck-market/

      1. Valeant profile image90
        Valeantposted 9 months ago in reply to this

        This article will help explain a little bit about participation rates.  Baby boomers are retiring, so I put less stock into those not looking for work or leaving the workforce as it's a naturally occurring phenomenon called retirement.

        http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/a … -workforce

        1. rhamson profile image77
          rhamsonposted 9 months ago in reply to this

          Not all of those that you claim are retiring are from age. Read this. It explains how more and more are  claiming SS on disability rather than just retiring.

          http://www.heritage.org/research/report … e-recovery

          You also have not considered while the jobless rate has gone down the under employed has gone up. The quality of jobs is a losing trend and the young people with debt from college are under employed as well. If you go from a job such as a construction worker to flipping burgers you are steadily losing the battle. Jobs are not just jobs if you cannot clothe or feed yourself paying the rent. There is no rosy picture here.

          1. Credence2 profile image85
            Credence2posted 9 months ago in reply to this

            This problem may well defy any solution. It has been creeping ever closer over the last 25 years. How much fraud, waste and abuse is associated with misuse of the SS Disability program? So it is not just 'welfare queens', is it?

            How does the American labor market compete with Vietnamese labor at $0.65 an hour? This will work until the Vietnamese demand more for their labor, then the capitalists will find a new region of the world for low cost labor.
            Since the conservatives have a ideological issue with the 'minimum wage', jobs (that are not jobs) but reminiscent of the  tenement house sweat shops of the late 19th century, jobs are jobs in title only.

            The resentful right would rather blame the poor and those with more economic problems relative to them then to at least acknowledge that the 'blame' could well belong to another source.

            Germany manages to train and pay its workers 1st world wages in the face of the global realities, how do they manage?

            1. RJ Schwartz profile image91
              RJ Schwartzposted 9 months ago in reply to this

              Germany has high employment, but the high wage part is a myth - there is no minimum wage in Germany, they are overly reliant on export, they basically have a two tied labor market and yes, the upper one pays great wages, but the lower tier which is growing rapidly is terrible.

              1. Credence2 profile image85
                Credence2posted 9 months ago in reply to this

                On the contrary per this article from the BBC, looks like the German minimum wage is roughly $10.00 an hour

                http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28140594

                Funny that the same excuses  conservatives offer as resistance to this virtually global concept , sounds identical to the whining that conservatives do here to endlessly resist. And yet, still, the Germans'  'lower tier' is higher than ours, when their society already protects its residents better with more of that socialism that have people screaming like banshees , here in the states.

            2. rhamson profile image77
              rhamsonposted 9 months ago in reply to this

              Nothing is static in this new world global economy. If Viet Nam ever could get past the communists control over their economy and government the greedy bastards would go to Zimbabwe or any other totalitarian society that would have them.

              The idea that we are controlled by our very own government by big money is an affront to the very notion that we espouse as a free society. The conservatives complain about the regulations and taxes as if they can divorce this from a responsible society towards its own workers and environment. It is a ruse to offer the reasoning that if you don't let the common folk know that they are being marginalized through their lack of living wages they will buy any other theory if you repeat it long and loud enough. When ever I hear someone tell me the merits of trickle down economics I ask them how it works. One person (a staunch conservative) told me that we have to allow the tax breaks on good faith and we will see the returns. GOOD FAITH! It is a lie every bit as erroneous as the propaganda from the Nazis in WWII Germany.

              A mans measure is only as good as the effort he puts towards his life. If that is compromised by the society that surrounds him he is that much less free.

              1. Credence2 profile image85
                Credence2posted 9 months ago in reply to this

                "One person (a staunch conservative) told me that we have to allow the tax breaks on good faith and we will see the returns. GOOD FAITH'

                Yes, I have heard this before, and it is infuriating that I am to trust the greedy bastards on sheer faith. How many times does Charlie Brown continue to trust Lucy to hold the football and not pull it back at the critical moment? Just, how dumb do you get?

                1. rhamson profile image77
                  rhamsonposted 9 months ago in reply to this

                  I am a small, I should restate that, a small businessman and I come into contact with many in my same position. When I hear these others talk about trickle down as if it is the answer to all our problems I ask them what they would do with their tax money if they never had to pay it? Will you hire some more workers? Will you invest in a new business? How about buying some more improved equipment? Invariably they say they will put it in savings. Just like most everybody else does.

                  It was proven in Kansas by Brownback. Need we continue in this folly?

          2. Valeant profile image90
            Valeantposted 9 months ago in reply to this

            The Heritage Foundation has come under recent scrutiny for the methodology of their reports and have recently been criticize for their political agendas.  So I put about as much faith in their findings as I do in the news coming out of Fox News.

            1. rhamson profile image77
              rhamsonposted 9 months ago in reply to this

              Then it must be the rosy picture you painted.

              1. Valeant profile image90
                Valeantposted 9 months ago in reply to this

                Rosier than all the false gloom and doom being portrayed by the conservative media sources right now.

                1. rhamson profile image77
                  rhamsonposted 9 months ago in reply to this

                  Thank you for continuing the partisan bickering. I guess that makes you right?

                  1. Valeant profile image90
                    Valeantposted 9 months ago in reply to this

                    Here is the point.  Republican policies are bad for the country.
                    Some examples - Obama is doing his job, nominating judges.  The Republicans in Congress are not.  Obama is using actual science to make the environment better for the next generations.  The Republicans are ignoring that science and going to make life worse for the next generation of people.  Tax cuts without spending cuts will crush any economy.  It's why Bush failed, why Kansas has failed.  All the deregulation under Clinton and then Bush nearly bankrupted the US.  War spending is not supporting veterans.  There is a big difference there that people should truly understand.  When Mitch McConnell can attach a writer to a bill that supports veterans and that passes 97-0, which cause that bill to then fail 45-41, that is a huge issue.

    4. Valeant profile image90
      Valeantposted 9 months ago in reply to this

      Pretty good Hub related to my own thoughts here:  http://hubpages.com/politics/21-TruthsT … Everything

      1. Credence2 profile image85
        Credence2posted 9 months ago in reply to this

        Hello, Valeant, that was powerful article that Jeff wrote, and he used plenty of authoritative links to support his argument.

        I had almost forgotten how good and appropriate that article was.

  2. ahorseback profile image45
    ahorsebackposted 9 months ago

    If real reason was the path to knowledge here , one would realize that the rhetoric of blame isn't only due republicans as they are always for smaller , more responsible government ! The opposing ideologies ,right to left is growing quite sickening of late , especially here .  To blame just republicans for the state of affairs in America is Na├»ve and juvenile ,    Utopia  cannot ever materialize out of the agenda of  divisiveness  of  THIS administration !

    Obama's political religion  IS divisiveness ,  period !    Only neutral truth and knowledge is the answer , seek it out , it awaits you ! Stop playing blame games.

    1. colorfulone profile image88
      colorfuloneposted 9 months ago in reply to this

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      Obama told Border Patrol Officers to stand down.
      Dedicated BPO's are speaking out against this insanity.
      Hey, they support Trump's wall!

      1. Ken Burgess profile image81
        Ken Burgessposted 9 months ago in reply to this

        What is worse... if you are an illegal immigrant caught fishing without a license or fishing endangered species, you will be released.  If you are an American, you will be ticketed or arrested.

 
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