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Is this why there is no Point Arguing with Atheists or Religionists?

  1. Will Apse profile image90
    Will Apseposted 8 months ago

    Quote:

    Humans suppress areas of the brain used for analytical thinking and engage the parts responsible for empathy in order to believe in god, research suggests.

    They do the opposite when thinking about the physical world, according to the study.

    "    from what we understand about the brain, the leap of faith to belief in the supernatural amounts to pushing aside the critical/analytical way of thinking to help us achieve greater social and emotional insight."

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scien … 50956.html

    Personally, I don't trust science when it tries to understand human affairs but this guy is saying something interesting.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Their is no point in discussion when any group claims to know the 99 % unknown earths mass. If Jesus claims 2+2 =5, blind faith will go there. Where Atheist must take a spaceship to a trillions of planets to prove no God exist to the 85% world's population.

      I just love all the stuff in-between, exploring all of nature and imagination is God enough for me.

    2. mrpopo profile image89
      mrpopoposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Why is there no point arguing with atheists if they're using critical/analytical thinking...?

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Actually I perfer discussion with down to earth bio organism atheist than floating all gravity lost in space Christians.

        What I do not understand why atheist study world religion more than any other group then become a religion group in America.

        I just perfer to avoid an argument in which is an angry discussion of opposites sides, unless you aim to find a middle grounds.
        Because where I get run over is on the middle of the road from both sides.

        Kind of waste of energy, don't you think?

        1. mrpopo profile image89
          mrpopoposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          It's kind of ironic, isn't it? Atheists actually know more about religions than practitioners, generally speaking. In their pursuit of truth*, plenty became atheists by studying religion. I can't speak for the religious but from what I've observed they seem to know less because of the comfort and social connections religion provides, and because of their predisposition to not question (and thus not intellectually analyze) the religion itself, usually starting from birth.

          (*This is not to say that atheists are immune to other forms of ideological zealotry. Religion is just not one of their typical blind spots.)

          I'm not sure if I understood you correctly, but yes, given their knowledge of religions atheists could theoretically become a super-religious group. I'm willing to bet that at least some atheists would have been very religious in eras where religions were our best explanatory models of the universe. Fortunately, the scientific method has rendered those models largely obsolete, both as moral codes and as theoretical frameworks of reality.

          As for arguments, any argument that tends to have its ideas driven by emotion is likely to be unproductive.

          By the way, welcome back Castle. It's nice to see you around again.

  2. Alternative Prime profile image85
    Alternative Primeposted 8 months ago

    Christianity & ALL Derivatives thereof base their ENTIRE Religion on what they believe to be an EARTH which is approximately 5000-6000 years old ~ Scientific FACT reveals the EARTH is actually BILLIONs of years old which leaves a Dramatically Enormous Discrepancy between Scientific Fact & Religious Faith ~

    1. colorfulone profile image89
      colorfuloneposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      You could progress in your backward analysis and read what Dr. Hugh Ross has to say as a progressive creationist Christian.  He has a brilliant mind.  smile

      1. Rodeon profile image62
        Rodeonposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Checked him out. Looks like he's basically an Anti-Dawkins. smile

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          The new Pope now believe in evolution and Ross thinks the earth is billions of years old. Maybe they can get together and rewrite another Bible denomination. In order to get rid of hell plus save Satan,  so the world is not based on fear. These 2200 old Bibles denomination are so old fashion and need to be updated to swing with the people living in the now.

          1. Rodeon profile image62
            Rodeonposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            I agree, they need to get together. But what do they have to offer the world?

            1. Castlepaloma profile image23
              Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              At least re educate to nearly half of American that believe the world is not older than 6000 years.

              1. Rodeon profile image62
                Rodeonposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                That would require someone to change that fact to school textbooks.

            2. Castlepaloma profile image23
              Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              At least re educate to nearly half of American that believe the world is not older than 6000 years. Plus teach half Americans that the OT is older than the NT.

              1. Rodeon profile image62
                Rodeonposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                If I may ask, what are your personal thoughts on the person, Jesus Christ?

                1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                  Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  Jesus was a wonderful myth man who was so vague it gave way to too many wrong translation. Most popular, until Darwin cross over with Evolutionary paths to all religions and faiths. We are just an advance primate among the 100s of billions of Star. I still? about if we are advance primates, when we think on how much we have destroyed the earth.

                  1. Rodeon profile image62
                    Rodeonposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    Well said?

      2. Alternative Prime profile image85
        Alternative Primeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        SORRY colorfulone, but your good Dr. Hugh Ross or whatever will END Up Re-Writing the ENTIRE Bible if he wishes to reflect an EARTHLY Reality ~

        Next, maybe he should start with Passages in the Bible which CLEARLY Suggest that Woman is Inferior to Man ~ sad ~ Maybe he can give that one a shot sometime ~  And then Rational Humans Wonder WHY Radical Evangelicals are so Dangerous to a Civilized Society ~

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          That would conflict me from worshipping the Sun and women. Maybe when Yahweh was talking about everything under the Sun it was mistranslated to Son. Fire is the source of life, not the Hell fire threat of forever torched.

    2. Live to Learn profile image82
      Live to Learnposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      LOL.  Most Christians don't believe that. That's about as ridiculous as saying all atheists don't bother to look at facts and spout off nonsensical sound bites they've been spoon fed.



      Again, you've been spoon fed. Most Christians have no problem agreeing with scientific FACT so that means your claim of a dramatically enormous discrepancy is simply an enormous discrepancy between what you know and what you think you know.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        The world,s largest creationism museum shows man co existing with dinosaurs. The earth beginning they claim is over 6000 years old. America's at least, 45% of them, believe this crap.

        Why not teach 2+2 is 5.

        1. mrpopo profile image89
          mrpopoposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          I've quickly Googled this and at first glance the poll results do seem to be around 40%. This article has a good breakdown on polls from recent years: http://ncse.com/blog/2013/11/just-how-m … us-0015164

          Notice how the results change significantly when the question is framed as "religion vs. science" as opposed to a direct question of the age of the Earth. It's possible the framing of the question as religion vs. science triggers the parts of the brain related to empathy and suppresses analytical thinking, as suggested by OP's article.

          The article concludes that at most 1 in 10 Americans believe in a young Earth model, but given the consistent poll results hovering around 40% I'm inclined to think it's slightly higher than that. Either way, 10% is still an astounding number for such a backwards belief.

        2. Live to Learn profile image82
          Live to Learnposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          I think that depends, entirely, on who you are getting your facts from. You can certainly find a survey to support that belief.

          But, it is really on what you believe. It  boils down to a question of what you think of your fellow man and how you pose your questions. Remove religious context and human origins and you will find that most people accept evolutionary theory as the most logical explanation for life on this planet.

          One problem I perceive is that being conflicted is a natural state for us. We are inclined to speak what we think we are supposed to say and not what we think, when interacting with others; at most every turn. Get along. Don't create waves within the particular circle you run with. Don't put yourself into a position of a confrontation on beliefs. Why? Because beliefs are personal and no one else's business. You can say what you may think they expect to hear; but what you believe isn't necessarily tied to those words.

          Another is that most people don't see an inherent problem with a religious belief being at odds with a scientific fact. They accept the scientific fact yet are willing to express acceptance of a religious belief. Probably because that religious belief only affects their attempt to be in harmony with the universe. It's a private thing completely disassociated with their attempt to be in harmony with those on earth. It's strange, I know, but think about anything else in your life. Things you say, if asked, that are immediately misunderstood. Not because of anything you have said but by the fact that the listener has preconceived notions of what you believe. Tiny sound bites they disapprove of. They've thought of all the reasons they disagree with an idea and are closed to the possibility of understanding all of the reasons you may agree with that idea.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            Since people are bio organism first, I can agree  about 95% of the time with anyone. It's about the 5% we disagree about that can be a real bitch.

            Will be back later

            1. colorfulone profile image89
              colorfuloneposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              You are in tune with your own universe and with those who are in tune with their own universe.  It is difficult at best to be in tune with those who are out of tune (conflicted) in their own universe.

              But, those we may feel out of tune with can be in tune in their own conflicted universe and with others who are conflicted that we are not in tune with? 

              Is that a good way of saying that?

              1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                When your mind is in conflict, you imagination can always win out. Everything we have achieved in life was all once imagined. When your imagination grows so dose your Universe grows.

                When you lose your dream your imagination cease to exist. Now your Personal Universe is stolden by a dark Emipire who cares less if you live or die.

                Nobody is allowed to harm, in my ever expanding Universe. I seek to share with  the world, for the world is 50% About them and 50% about me. When we always aim to give a little more, our entire world expands into a spiritual age.

      2. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Careful, LTL.  While it is an exaggeration and a stereotype, it has a fair bit of truth in it.  Christianity, as a whole, has drug it's feet whenever it felt a threat to it's basic belief, or anything that might affect that belief.

        This has been so since the days when heretics were hanged, since the inquisition, since Galileo, Darwin or any scientist that found anything that threatened the church.  Nor has much changed; we still have a great many that deny the Big Bang or evolution and insist that we teach our kids the "proper" history of the universe and life.  That refuse to accept that being gay isn't a choice.  People that still find Satan or his demons as the cause of natural disasters such as Katrina.  The Creation Museum in Kentucky, getting some 250,000 visitors per year (2 million since opening in 2007) with it's insistence on a young earth and the destruction of all life outside Noah's ark, is a good example of denial of scientific fact.  It even shows people cavorting with dinosaurs, for Pete's sake!  People like Ken Ham (museum director) have a great following.

        I don't know that it is "most", but there are certainly a lot of them.

        1. Live to Learn profile image82
          Live to Learnposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          Yes. In the days of the Inquisition and Galileo the church had a bit of a stranglehold on humanity. And the church is, as you say, a bit of a foot dragger and I consider it to be a knuckle dragger on a lot of things. And I agree with all you have said. My only reason for comment was a false allegation had been made concerning creationism and most Christians. It is as unfair to use the term 'most christians' as it is to say 'most atheists' or 'most people who wear red shoes' when attempting to determine what an individual may think.

          Most people I know who claim to be Christian are Christian because they believe in the existence of God and the story of Christ makes the most sense in the evolution of the monotheistic faith which follows Y-H. Now, I don't know 'most Christians' so I have to accept that Alternative Prime's assertion is not disproved by my anecdotal experience. I know none of us can delve into the minds of billions of Christians and most of our beliefs about what Christians believe is what different sects of the church espouse so we can look at what the churches espouse to see if his assertion makes any sense and could be a reasonable conclusion. Since there are about 3300 recognized Christian sects it is impossible to look at them all; but a look at the big sects will help to determine if 'most Christians' can be assumed to believe what Alternative Prime has said they do.

          I will have to add that even though everyone loves to say which Christians are 'Christian' and which aren't we can only judge the term Christian to denote someone who chooses the label for themselves.

          The following is  a summation of a Pew Research on what some churches believe on the subject;

          Catholic- the Catholic church claims to shepherd 1.2 billion Christians. Their official stance is limited to an acceptance that evolution occurred in the generally agreed upon time frame within the scientific community; yet they see the guiding hand of the process as Divine.

          Episcopal-2.2 million adherents-In 1982, the Episcopal Church passed a resolution to “affirm its belief in the glorious ability of God to create in any manner, and in this affirmation reject the rigid dogmatism of the ‘Creationist’ movement.” The church has also expressed skepticism toward the intelligent design movement.

          Mormon-15 million adherents-Their church has no official stance yet, several high-ranking officials have suggested that Darwin’s theory does not directly contradict church teachings.


          Methodist-30 to 80 million adherents-"We find that science’s descriptions of cosmological, geological, and biological evolution are not in conflict with theology."

          Evangelical Lutheran in America- 4.5 million followers- While the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America has not issued a definitive statement on evolution, it does contend that “God created the universe and all that is therein, only not necessarily in six 24-hour days, and that God actually may have used evolution in the process of creation.”

          A look at those few finds that 1 1/4 billion Christians are not being led into a belief of a 6000 year old earth. Since there is estimated to be about 2 billion Christians in the world, we can see that 'most christians' don't fall into the category Alternative Prime has imagined for them.

          But, this answers the question of why there is no point arguing with a religionist or an atheist. Facts don't matter to them. Belief trumps fact at every turn.

          1. mrpopo profile image89
            mrpopoposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            Him saying that Christianity and all of its derivatives believe the Earth is 6000 years old is just completely nonsensical. Though not most, is still surprising to me that a significant number of American Christians do believe in the young Earth model.

            Why would facts not matter to atheists? The study established that the religious suppress the analytical/logical side of the brain in the context of religious or spiritual beliefs. Atheists would suppress the social cognitive/empathetic side.

            1. Live to Learn profile image82
              Live to Learnposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              It is odd that a significant number do. I know a guy who had no religion for most of his life. Now, he will sit there and attempt to convince me Noah put dinosaurs on the ark. It's all very strange. I think he is attempting to buy his way into heaven or something.

              I don't know how to explain it. But, I do believe that many who claim young earth know that it doesn't add up but they think if they say it, it will please God. As if it is a test of faith.

              I would suggest that to consistently suppress either the analytical/logical side or the cognitive/empathetic side is detrimental to a well rounded outlook on life (outside of the lab or the seminary).

              You ask why would an atheist ignore facts?  I would say because it is easier to believe what makes us comfortable than to seek truth.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                In general I would say Christain live too comfortable and Atheist not.

              2. mrpopo profile image89
                mrpopoposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                "I would suggest that to consistently suppress either the analytical/logical side or the cognitive/empathetic side is detrimental to a well rounded outlook on life (outside of the lab or the seminary)."

                Yes that would be, but the study doesn't suggest that either the religious or atheists do so consistently. It only refers to those tendencies in the context of religious beliefs.

                "You ask why would an atheist ignore facts?  I would say because it is easier to believe what makes us comfortable than to seek truth."

                All too true especially in this modern sociopolitical climate, but I should be more specific - what facts are atheists ignoring in the context of religion? In other contexts they may be as likely to ignore facts as the rest of the population, but in a religious context I don't see any facts that atheists are actively ignoring.

                1. Live to Learn profile image82
                  Live to Learnposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  If you are looking for a fact such as 'God is real' or 'Jesus did exist' that is not what I mean. It is simply that it is impossible to have a conversation with an atheist on a spiritual level. I am not sure why they would want to. The only conclusion I have come to is that they want to be argumentative. You have to constantly explain that you don't believe this, or that, and the atheist consistently says 'You must. You are a Christian'. The fact is that each individual holds unique beliefs and the truth about you gets completely overlooked because the atheist who has, for reasons unknown, chosen to engage you in a conversation.

                  And, I'm sure you will disagree, but almost everything we think we know boils down to belief.  The only fact we have, in a universal sense, is that we are here on a planet, in the middle of a really big universe. All of our conclusions about everything have been drawn from a very limited point of reference and a very limited amount of time within the existence of all we observe. You can start from any answer we have and find an infinite number of questions it brings up. As we ask them, eventually we come to the point of 'We don't yet know.'  Unfortunately, few atheists I've interacted with are able to accept this. I've actually had atheists make comments such as 'why does it matter?'. I don't begrudge someone who isn't fascinated by the enigma of existence but I don't go out of my way to seek them out and I'm curious why they go out of their way to seek out people who honestly leave their minds open to all possibilities.  If one thinks they know everything already and they can't convince others to agree with that you would think they would leave it at that. Not act as if those who disagree are ignorant.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                    Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    You say atheist would not understand on a spiritual level. I would understand on a spiritaul levels because I'm spiritual sided. I would define spiritual as the 99% unknown. Where Atheist would call it just unknowns.

                  2. mrpopo profile image89
                    mrpopoposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    I’m surprised by your characterization of atheists. I’m sure you’ve had those encounters as you describe them, it’s just that I’ve had the exact opposite experience and from what I gather the most well-known atheists act quite differently.

                    For instance, Sam Harris is one of the so called “Four Horsemen of the Non-Apocalypse” and he’s written extensively about being spiritual without religion, something that many atheists desire in their lives. He advocates for spirituality with an interesting mix of moral, philosophical and neurological perspectives. I recommend looking into him, even the most fervent religionist can find some common ground with his views.

                    I can’t speak for all atheists, and this may surprise you, but I’ve been characterized as argumentative by several of my peers. Sometimes it can get under their nerves, but I don’t argue simply to be argumentative. It’s a method of truth-checking. If your argument stands up to the most vehement scrutiny offered, it is a strong argument, and closer to the truth than if your argument were to fall at the first hurdle.

                    I’m not sure why an atheist would claim that you must accept a specific belief unless that belief is central to the religion. I think most atheists understand that most people cherry-pick beliefs from their religion. Personally, I think the most honest interpretation is a complete acceptance of all beliefs in the book, but I am very glad people chose to ignore certain words from their god.

                    I don’t disagree on a technical level that everything is a belief, but only when using a weak sense of the word. Even the claim that we are here on a planet in the middle of a really big universe is a belief (what if this entire thing is just a simulation?). If we’re going by that route then what are facts? How do you make the distinction between the atheists and religionists who are ignoring facts, and the rest who readily accept facts, while maintaining the position that everything is a belief?

                    What I’m most surprised by is how you’ve had so few atheists admit that they don’t yet know, or worse, claim that they know everything. Again I refer to the Four Horsemen:

                    As a parent, it's my responsibility to equip my child to do this - to grieve when grief is necessary and to realize that life is still profoundly beautiful and worth living despite the fact that we inevitably lose one another and that life ends, and we don't know what happens after death. - Sam Harris

                    It's not so much religion per se, it's false certainty that worries me, and religion just has more than its fair share of false certainty or dogmatism. I'm really concerned when I see people pretending to know things they clearly cannot know. - Sam Harris

                    I don’t know what happens after the physical brain dies. I don’t know what the relationship between consciousness and the physical world is. I don’t think anyone does know. Now I think there are many reasons to be doubtful of naïve conceptions about the soul, and about this idea that you could just migrate to a better place after death. But I simply don’t know about what... I don’t know what I believe about death. And I don’t think it’s necessary to know in order to live as sanely and ethically and happily as possible. I don’t think you get... You don't get anything worth getting by pretending to know things you don't know. – Sam Harris

                    But religion and the afterlife fantasy have these things in common. First, they’re man-made. That’s very important. They represent claims by humans to be able to interpret the divine and to give themselves power by doing so. We all admit we don’t know; that’s because we can’t know. – Christopher Hitchens

                    There's much that we don't know about the universe & its origin. But everything we know, we know through science. And we're still learning. – Richard Dawkins

                    In my experience they’re all too willing to say they don’t know. That uncertainty indirectly demonstrates a fascination with existence, the endless possibilities of the unknown, and how we are to go about in the pursuit of truth and knowledge in the short time we exist.

  3. Will Apse profile image90
    Will Apseposted 8 months ago

    So I am guessing no one believes that there are many kinds of truths? There is just the one? Their own, perhaps, lol.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      America's greatest pass time, is lying. It's our job to sort out the high degrees of truth and low degrees of truth.

      Then there are some people so full of bs with no reason yet to kill or to support killing children in Iraq. I'm just glad to be just miserable sometimes rather than being trapped in such a horrible mind and heart.

      1. Rodeon profile image62
        Rodeonposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        +1

  4. promisem profile image96
    promisemposted 8 months ago

    There is little point to arguing with any closed-mind extremists on both religion and politics.

  5. JG Hemlock profile image86
    JG Hemlockposted 8 months ago

    No point. Even the religious people fight among themselves. No point in arguing. It is personal to the spirit.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Yep

    2. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      I guess your Christian,
      I do like your 11th commandment.
      Keep thy religion to thy self.

  6. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago

    Many hard religious kind get verry irate when you talk about diosaures and human world cutures and civilians dating back a 100,000 years.

    My brother who is a pastor was so angry with me discussing these topic. He would not talk to me again for several years.

  7. JG Hemlock profile image86
    JG Hemlockposted 8 months ago

    It will all be revealed and play out in the end just the way Yeshua said it was and it already is. Interesting prophecy transpiring in the world.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      The atheist actually read your Bible and that is why they think your God does not exist.

      About 1/2 Americans do not know what Bible is older, OT or NT. You'd think they would have enough clues if they actually read them. The OT was borrowed from the Jews. If Christian have no idea what their beginning is. How will they know where they are going. If it is the spirit world that nobody has come back from to tell the truth, let me sell you something better.

      Most bio scientists and people in the world believe the earth is 4 billion years old. Meaning if you set earth age into a calendar year. Dinosaurs would been here for 3 months, man for 10 minute's, by Adam time 20 seconds. Jellyfish are immoral and water bears are the toughest on earth.(Chuck Norris eat your heart out) Human diversity eyes and brain is the only thing we got over 30 million other species.

      After bio and human history facts.

      We can go into human behavior facts. About 90% of the wars are predominantly religious countries. US has the most Christains and hypocrites in the world.

      Plus American have the most Sodam & Gomorrah like behavoirs than anywhere or group on the planet.
      If God must destory the earth, take Christains down first.

  8. colorfulone profile image89
    colorfuloneposted 8 months ago

    No need to be sorry about that, Castlepaloma.  That's how the law of liberty works.  The Holy Bible has caused wars and revolutions and much more because of mankind.  For me, I get excited by it because so much has been mathematical proven, and I'm saddened at the same time as I see prophecies unfolding.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Mankind is intelligent enough to stop these wars and I have envision we will continue on earth for 1000s of more years. I't always been abuse from the greedy rich against the poor and the poor that always ends up cleaning the mess and changing things.

      There are many who are hell bent on fullfilling self prophecy in the bible. In my clairvoyancy, it's foam of a sense in extreme logic. Even my proven  prediction are at 100%, and still I fell these destiny can be changed up.

      Ancient spiritually prophecy would be weaker today because mankind is much wiser advance than people living in the dark ages. Less people killed in wars per capita today than any other time in human history.

      World War 3 is in the stage of Act 2, in the Bibles prophecy right now.

      1. colorfulone profile image89
        colorfuloneposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        I believe we have a very long conspiratorial history, and that is what the Holy Bible view verifies.

        Psalm 2: .. "Why do the nations conspire, and the peoples plot in vain?" .... (good place to start)

        But, we have been subjected to a false accidental view of history through the media.  It is shocking for us who have been brainwashed and uncomfortable to hear the truth and to awaken. 

        World War III was planned long ago.  Iraq, Iran and Syria are setting the stage I believe. N. Korea will attack S. Korea,  China will attack Taiwan.  Then, WWIII.  (people in the know like to leak information, maybe they get paid for it, or moral conviction wins)

        I hear reports from missionaries that Acts 2 is happening in the Middle East in Muslim communities, and in refugee camps.  Muslims are having visions and dreams about Jesus Christ and converting to Christianity.  Sadly, they are being murdered by ISIS forces, as are peace loving Muslims.  It is genocide, the Obama Administration admits is happening but will not stop. 

        Interesting that the PlayStation 2 (Ps2) has a post WWIII game, I have watched some videos.  But, that's how serious this is to me when a war game is conspired politically.  "Ending shows US Capitol/flags and saying if you're a great President."

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          America is ISIS or Al Qaeda or who ever they ghostly invented. Because their finger are all over the attacks on the Middle East for their One World Order. A lience to kill and steal granted by the Empire of the richman Cub The same club they beat up American every day with. Saudi Arabia is the U S friend, as they sent 15 Saudi into those 9/11 plane crashes, yet no Iraqi were on those planes. 

          Now Saudi"s training ISIS funded by Americans. American have so extremely brainwashed other Americans that they believe Muslims are ISIS. To the point they lost their conciseness, except rare ones. Nazi's ordered good German  people to follow their orders. America's will follow their banker/Government because American and their childred are debtors slave for life, unless they lock up their owners, like they have done in Iceland.

          American have conspired to killing mostly millions of poorest people, women and children in the Middle East.

          It sicken me for many days.
          What is it to own the world and lose your soul.

          1. colorfulone profile image89
            colorfuloneposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            You are right, done your research or you have insider information.  It sickness me to my very core.  I spend way too much time weeping because of all the innocent blood that has been needlessly shed.  Then, there are our military that have been killed or wounded, or come back from missions damaged in other ways...used and some spent. 

            "What is it to own the world and lose your soul."

            The Luciferians / Illuminati must think they are going to make it out of this alive and their loved ones.   They thirst for bloodshed, riches, property, power and all the wealth?  But, all of God's promises are certain, I believe,...the riches of the wicked have been stored up for the righteous...and that promise of  transference of the wealth is yet to be fulfilled. 

            To all of God's promises I say, Amen!

            1. Castlepaloma profile image23
              Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              Thank you

              I was going to dump this Hubpages site. Because after 13 posts asking if anybody thinks these Iraqi children should be killed. Hubber ignore me like I' m crazy.I can not setup my artwork and name related to people who support the killing of children.

              I have the longest running sand and snow sculpture company in the world. Only my father morally supported in the beginning until I got rich and famous. Today I build eco villages planning on the America crashing, then my higher purpose begin. I have this same gut feeling along with nightmares about US becomeing ground zero for civil and world war

              I' ll try a few more threads and if 5% care for these in Iraqi babies lives. Then I will stay on as grass root group to help. If not, there are more decent folks else where who knows lies live short and truth long lives and happy.

              1. colorfulone profile image89
                colorfuloneposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                I understand, there isn't much empathy in the forums for innocent children being slaughtered in Iraq. Or, it may be too difficult to express. The thing that matters is that you do have empathy for them. 

                I came across this site awhile ago, "The 13 countries where being an atheist is punishable by death".  Not something I had thought about before to make the link between the hatred of Muslims toward Atheists. But, I wasn't surprised when I saw the list, because radicals in those countries kill infidels.  I must look outward more.
                http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style … 60561.html

                That would be enjoyable work creating sand and snow sculptures.  Dang! 
                I have created such things playing but not professionally.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                  Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  Gays have it worst,  it"s 79 countries being gay is a crime, death penalty in 10 countries. About 1 in 10 people are gay, what ever happen to live and let live. I do not do drugs, not an atheist not religious, or gay. All these groups will never go away. Why are people so intolerant and hateful, it adds more suffering to the world rather than happinesses.

  9. JG Hemlock profile image86
    JG Hemlockposted 8 months ago

    Nobody should be killing anybody. The lives of the Iraq children are just important to God as the Israel children and the U.S. children. He loves them all. There should be no such thing as Jew haters or Christ haters. We should hate evil. Wickedness. Darkness and love the Light of God and love. Thou shall NOT KILL! Every life matters everywhere in every country. THE KILLING MUST STOP!

    That is not a 'religious statement.'  This is just spiritual truth.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Much agree.


      Why the guns and 1% rule?

 
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