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  1. Stacie L profile image87
    Stacie Lposted 8 months ago

    NRA rewrites classic fairytales, giving guns to Hansel, Gretel and Little Red Riding Hood
    And they lived armed ever after.

    The National Rifle Association is rewriting classic children’s fairytales to put guns in the hands of the protagonists.

    NRA Family, the group's family-oriented site, has published two of the warped tales so far: “Hansel and Gretel (Have Guns)” and “Little Red Riding Hood (Has a Gun).” The gun loving group claims the altered stories show how classic fairytale characters could have avoided disaster — if only they had weapons.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa … -1.2576076
    Most fairy tales have violent themes anyway and have been softened over time. Looks like the NRA wants kids to be armed hmm

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      I found the stories rather amusing, and a far better story to read to young ones than the original ones.

      Of course, I was one of the "Hansel's" - at 14, out with a gun to bring home the meat for the next month or two.  One of those "armed kids" you mention that the NRA wants.

      1. ahorseback profile image52
        ahorsebackposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        I too remember that tale , I would rather Hansel had a gun  too, could have used it earlier against that evil  socialist witch!

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          Alas, in the new book he only keeps it ready while the witch sleeps.  However, the townspeople then come (with more guns) and put her in the same cage she had the two boys in.

          Same with Red Riding Hood - both she and grandma only threaten the Big Bad Wolf - unlike the original, no one is eaten or even killed.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            I know the Hansel and Gretel from displaying it a few times. The story is about warning children about child molesters. Many schools wanted to ban it, wail the children said the adults don't get.

            Guns is a different story, for the all dangerous adventures adrenalin junkie  experiences I've had around the world. A gun cocked to my head gave me an overwhelming helplessness from plans A to Z. I've been attacted by wild dogs, monkey, bears and mugged by thieves and worst the Government without much harm. A gun requires little skill and designed to kill, game over by a fool or child whose brain or experiences are not developed.

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              Yes, it requires some skill and knowledge.  So do fists, feet, knives, swords and sticks.  Of all the weapons we might use in defense, the gun probably requires the least training, though.

    2. ahorseback profile image52
      ahorsebackposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      The alternative is the fairy tale  altering of  reality that the left is using indoctrinating our   children  to view the  honest ,law abiding MASS majority of gun owners and sportsman  as evil murderers ! Period .      .......Its happening right in most  elementary  schools today !

      I have been seeing this for thirty years .

    3. colorfulone profile image88
      colorfuloneposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      We use to bring guns to grade school on the bus and carry our bullets in our pockets for rifle training.  I was trusted to carry a gun to go hunting and for protection as a child. Living in the wilderness here there are black bear, timber wolves, badgers and brush wolves that normally live in harmony with people, but you don't want to come between them and their cubs. 

      I come face to face with potentially danger animals, but I was taught at a young age to show no fear (they can sense fear) and don't look them in the eyes (no intimidation). They are more afraid of people then we are of them and will run away if they don't know you.  Its worked every time so far.   

      I don't have the heart to shoot anything unless I'm hungry (which I'm not), or unless it was to protect myself or someone else.  I do like to target practice for recreation. Its just normal.

    4. Paul Wingert profile image78
      Paul Wingertposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      The NRA used to all about safety. Now that they are ran by the gun manufactures and did a 180 degree about-face and became a bunch of lunatics that push for gun sales, period!

    5. roob profile image80
      roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      I support people being able to own guns and carry them. However those cartoons do some ridiculous & I don't think children should be carrying guns around. I think the NRA overthinks gun rights as much as the liberal people trying to ban them. I am just a normal person I don't care. I just wish I could legally carry a gun around to protect myself because in california there are some bad places, trust me. However I do not carry because of the laws. Not a time to rant, but as someone who thinks guns should be allowed, I don't like this.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        This is the common sense position.  I am not anti-gun, but it is ridiculous to suggest that children would be safer carrying guns.

        1. roob profile image80
          roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          Thank you pretty panther. Sometimes the middle is great. No need to be on the edge of the left or right all the time lol.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image86
            PrettyPantherposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            Completely agree, but look how certain people get their panties in a wad because I question the motives of the NRA.

            1. roob profile image80
              roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              well don't worry I don't wear panties lol!

              1. colorfulone profile image88
                colorfuloneposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                +1 Your okey!  Right?

                1. roob profile image80
                  roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  Yes I am okey dokey!

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      toan1234posted 8 months ago in reply to this

      his :3

  2. ahorseback profile image52
    ahorsebackposted 8 months ago

    So Stacie L , is the point of this thread one more attempt at the big bad gun running wolf and the  poor little children who will be shot on their way to  catechism .    Please    explain , I was being read Handsel and Gretel  fairy tales  while  going to bed after spending a couple of hours rabbit  hunting with uncle ,

    If you're another anti-gun  pro  it might scare me from telling my grand kids these stories ........Not.

    1. Stacie L profile image87
      Stacie Lposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      No I am not an anti gun pro as you say, I do believe people should defend themselves.
      Times were simpler in the 60s when kids did their guns to school n=but society is so screwed up now...
      I thought this was an interesting point of view.

      1. colorfulone profile image88
        colorfuloneposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Stacy, you post interesting topic threads usually, and it is nice when you chime in with you own point of view.  Thanks!

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          We defend ourselves better, with far less guns, nukes and war, abolish them even better. Killing never stops killing only increases it.

          Why do I feel like an illegal alien about this topic. I sure intelligent life on another planet would get it.

          1. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            Right.  Killing a mass shooter half way through his self appointed task increases the death toll.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image23
              Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              Mass murders in a year is like 470 kills compared to 30,000 firearm death's. It is an adventure risk worth taking.

              Compare to fire arming guards, teachers, students, malls, farms, work sites and everyway non stop. America already nearing a gun for every person.

              After more of High Noon increase. What next, nuke kits or easy bake oven for kids and Nazi's at Christmas. I threw out my Jonny seven gun and Military toys out at age seven and fell in love with girls and sports. Why can't we all grow up and be childlike rather than childish?

              1. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                It seems that the underlying thought here is that guns kill people, and that if we don't have guns others won't either.  If we are childlike and don't maintain a strong defense then others won't attack.

                Both are patently false.  One day the human species may eliminate violence from our mental state, but until then defense is necessary whether we as an individual enjoy violence or not.

              2. roob profile image80
                roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                @Castle You live or go through the ghetto ever? All the criminals (a lot of people) and even a lot of the normal people carry guns even though they aren't legally allowed. Do you want to be politically correct and unarmed? Or would you want to be able to protect your family if you had one and were less fortunate enough to live in a bad place. Maybe you live in the ghetto... I don't know.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                  Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  I grew up in the getto, some kids ask to join on school fights with chains, shovels and brass knuckles, because I was never afraid to confront bullies yet never harm any. Traveled the world to the worst getto on earth plus 6 active war zones, no harm to me or them in muggings.

                  I open my window at night and hear crickets or cars. In your world, you must watch too much news and hero movies.

                  The bullies in reality's we all face are not 5% street crime so much. It's the Bankers the Oil Kings and all corperationism bullies clubs. Who beat you up everyday. When you decide really face these bullies, your find more layers of cowardness than a crying onion.

                  1. roob profile image80
                    roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    @Castle
                    Crickets and cars? What ghetto is that? You been to compton, inglewood, where the crips and bloods are in great supply? Or was your ghetto a trailer park lol.
                    What city specifically.... compton, inglewood, watts? That is what I consider ghetto.

                    They don't have those weapons anymore... its all gats. Trust me there is a fair share around and not in no gun stores.

          2. colorfulone profile image88
            colorfuloneposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            To be politically correct in of Europe soon it will be “irregular" instead of "illegal".

      2. ahorseback profile image52
        ahorsebackposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        It is an interesting point of view though ,   So many of us grew up where rurally , guns , hunting and sports shooting was and is a huge part of our family and community  heritages  , as you well know ,It is the  right balances  of child rearing that's so important , and this is where  those who's later   fairy tale child rearing styles lose out on a decent  balance .  - Today ,If a twenty five  year old set of  parents who  have an unfounded understanding and fear of anyone with a gun  raises children to believe the  gun is only  evil  , and THAT is becoming the norm rather than the rare case ,   then our children lose out on  a piece of our cultural heritage .So many of the leftist naiveté  does just that ,but intentionally .   I often wonder ,  Whatever happened to well rounded child raising , The youth and young adults  in our culture always loved music ,makes you wonder , I say ;"Teach your children well".... ?

        1. Stacie L profile image87
          Stacie Lposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          I lived in rural areas for many years and do see the need for guns...I also have lived and presently live in an densely populated area and I can see why law enforcement frowns upon every citizen owning a gun....There are no easy answers...

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            Yes there is an answer.

            Take the guns away from your Government. Like nuke disarmament.

            If, just ignore me like many and let The dark Empire, private and minions own you, that's what livestock do.

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              Good way to turn it over to drug lords.  Or anyone else that want's the place.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                Are you talking about the largest drug pushers in the world. :Doctors: Their legal drugs are more lethal than the more green illegal drugs.

                Add decent education to illegal drugs like marijuana (+hemp) and you have far healthier and more abundance products than all the greedy 1% (our world owners) synthetic products.

                Both drug are a tiny fraction lethal than the Synthetic masters guns and nukes. Not in direct death's yet in fear tactical Empire control. Ruling people by fear, they managed to set the greatest slavery ring in human history. Even slaves never had  impossible debts that their children can't pay off in their life time.

                Most people know things are going to get worst and most have been brainwashed lied to for so long  they except most things from their masters as truth. I don't fear death. In order to not sell my soul to highest bidding Satan. I own my heart, mind and soul and refuse to suck so deep and hard on the devil's dong.

                They are the ruleing by fear, not by love.

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  I'm aware of your propensity for hemp.  But I don't know of any medical doctors that shoot their clients, cops or bystanders.  Although I'm for keeping out (most) illegal drugs I'm even more for keeping out those that produce or sell them.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                    Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    Legal prescription drugs kill more people than all illegal drugs. How did I descibed getting a gun into the family doctors cold dead hands?

                    Hemp gets pooled with marijuana under the Food/Health/Drug administrator. Cannabis is the species and they make it too differcult or illegal to study under their evil plan.

                    Chuck Norris wants to kick illegal drugs out of America, this man is strongly involved in politic. Norris dose not know if alcohol is more lethal than marijuana like many American. Yet most Americans approve legallizion.

                    Norris compares alcohol to marijuana like plain donuts to sugar coated donuts. Sugar and fat is 30 times more lethal than all drugs combined. Same for legal tobacco. 

                    This one world order Empire passes it out to other sugar and tobacco cartels among many other kinds of synthetic product pirate cooperation to depopulate us. Bank have 95% of the money, they can print all the Money they want. Government borrow from banks never pay it back. They debt interest us for life. They can grabbed anyone from anywhere and label them a terrorist without due process like with the middle East and murder mostly women and children, very rare any hubber cares..

                    Chuck Norris would not approve this message or evolution. Yet he promotes pop, cerial, cigars, war, cops, guns, alcohol and chuck Norris jokes. A real Marlboro man

                    Norris wants to re educate American schools about the Bible. Minion united, if Norris shot Kenny, Kenny would stay dead. He would use a gun before his fist, it's the American way. In Canada if we get upset with someone we write a letter.

            2. roob profile image80
              roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              Dude you are so liberal castle. The cartel moves more dope then the doctors.

              Also you take away guns from the govt, then they will be overtaken. That is the most foolish thing I have ever heard. Haha.

              I challenge you to come over to LA then go to COMPTON at night on foot with a gold chain, an iPhone, jordans, beats headphones, some nice clothes, rings, bracelet, & a watch....

              R.I.P. at least to all your stuff thats right

              1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                I see most northern European and some Latin countries dress, eat, home better and happier than Americans.

                Be an average Country on Military budget. Move 90% of your military budget into education and health and environment. Leave 10% for military intelligent (lo.) and again, bar none,  America will be the best all round country in the world, perhaps in Human history.

                1. roob profile image80
                  roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  In europe with more gun control laws.. the violent crime rate increased and is higher than the us!(: Look it up if you don't believe. Haha look at the amount of terrorism and terrorist who are in europe now. They have how parts of towns/cities full of cells. So idk where you get that.
                  But like I said you go through compton or inglewood with the bloods and crips with all your gear and phone?
                  Then you tell me your safe. That is the ghetto I talk bout and have been around.

  3. JG Hemlock profile image88
    JG Hemlockposted 8 months ago

    A bit too extreme for children. I am ex-military, female and agree with NRA on having guns. Tyranny will come in...history repeats itself if we have no protection. Teaching it to little ones? I would rather teach them myself and keep the storybooks the same.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Some good points there.

      No matter how you slice it, guns solves nothing.
      1. I'ts a no brainier (pun) I have 3 times more chance to kill myself, than to kill some else to start with.
      2. Then have a greater chance to someone I know, than to kill a criminal.
      3. And then have a more chance of killing himself for killing someone else.
      4. Let's go into killing cops or the US Military, for sure I will kill myself again
      Even if I were Kenny on South Park who never dies, the pain alone would not allow me to own a gun.

      US has 25% of the world's prisoners and half of the world's war budget. No brainwashing technology will work, to tell me this is about defence, not offense. I'm my own boss, no Empire, no private, no minion owns me.

  4. PrettyPanther profile image86
    PrettyPantherposted 8 months ago

    I wasn't actually able to read the stories.  The links don't work (taken down, perhaps?).  In any case, the most accurate version of Hansel and Gretel with guns would be for Hansel to accidentally shoot his sister while trying to clean his gun.  Or, his mother.

    4-year-old accidentally shoots staunch pro-gun advocate mom in back

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Absolutely!  After all, 73% of gun owners have accidentally shot someone while only 0.024% have ever provided food with theirs.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Well, not really, but statistically speaking, if you have a gun in the house, you are more likely to get shot, whether accidentally or during an argument or altercation.

        I'm not sure what providing food for your families has to do with the story, or with my comment, so I'll let that one sit.

        Children with guns in the home are more likely to die of a gun death than children with no guns in the home.  And for the gun to be of any protection against a child napper, the children would have to carry the guns with them at all times, loaded.

        Yeah, sounds like a great way to keep children safe.

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          And if you have a hammer you are statistically more likely to hit your thumb with it than if you do not.  This should not be a surprise.

          Hansel didn't shoot his sister: he procured food for the family with his gun.

          See first sentence.  But for sure kids (untrained) should never have access to guns.  Any more than they should to a running car - we all know not to leave a kid in a running car and it should not come as a shock that guns (or anything they can hurt themselves or their siblings with) should be kept away from them.  Some things we can't - our son pinked a neighbor boy with a butcher knife once, by falling on him - but when we can we should.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image86
            PrettyPantherposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            "And if you have a hammer you are statistically more likely to hit your thumb with it than if you do not.  This should not be a surprise."  True, but are you statistically more likely to die?

            Hansel didn't shoot his sister: he procured food for the family with his gun.  Well, of course he did, it's an NRA story.  Look, I have nothing against guns.  I grew up in a hunting family; we currently own guns and I know how to shoot.  That doesn't mean I'm immune to the facts, which are pretty clear that having guns in the home increases the risk that children others will be shot by a family member or by their own hand.  I did NOT have guns in the house when my children were growing up.

            See first sentence.  But for sure kids (untrained) should never have access to guns.  Any more than they should to a running car - we all know not to leave a kid in a running car and it should not come as a shock that guns (or anything they can hurt themselves or their siblings with) should be kept away from them.  Some things we can't - our son pinked a neighbor boy with a butcher knife once, by falling on him - but when we can we should.  Sure, we all know to do this, that, and the other thing.  The fact remains that the primary purpose of guns is to kill.  Not so with hammers, cars, or knives.  The subject of this thread (again, I wasn't able to actually read the stories) is children's stories rewritten by the NRA to show what would happen if children carried guns.  I submit that it is a far more likely scenario that terrible accidents would occur if children routinely carried guns, than it is that children would be able to save themselves from predators.  It's common sense, don't you think?

            1. ahorseback profile image52
              ahorsebackposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              Common sense says  , the greatest missing ingredient in humanity these days , if you have guns , you have a gun safe , if you have a car and kids you have keys , if you are a mother and the butcher knives are used by the kids , shame on you . If guns are the only thing made for killing , why is it so many kids and other people are killed by cars , by  medicines , by   parents , by boats ?   Kind of   splitting hairs for the sake of political correctness aren't we ? As Usual .

              1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                PrettyPantherposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                Who is splitting hairs?  I'm addressing a story rewritten by the NRA to put guns in the hands of children so they can protect themselves against predators.  Do you support arming our children?  For this premise to succeed, children would need to be armed at all times with loaded weapons, especially when they are out and about without their parents.

                Do you think this is reasonable?  Do you think it would make children safer?

                1. ahorseback profile image52
                  ahorsebackposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  And YOU really believe the NRA wants guns in a kids hands ?.....Uh Huh !

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                    PrettyPantherposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    I dunno.  You tell me.  Why did they rewrite classic children's stories to arm the children?  Just for fun?  Because they were bored?  To create delightful literature for children? roll

            2. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              And yet...the single biggest accidental killer of teens is cars.  And we let them continue to drive. 

              Sure, people with guns kill other people, sometimes by accident (although accidental death by gun in small children is a very small number).  It's a good argument for required training, whether there is a gun in the house or not (is there one in the neighbors house?  Lying on the street or playground?).  Think we'll mandate gun safety in schools?  No, instead we'll continue to try and take guns away, refusing to recognize that it is our own stupidity and refusal to acknowledge reality that is accidentally killing children.

              1. ahorseback profile image52
                ahorsebackposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                But then that is the answer in  the way  some people  change the world , if a child is hit by a car in the crosswalk ,  move the cross walk .  Don't change the drivers behavior or the  child's ?  If a mother abuses her children , it must be societies fault not hers ,  If a man is addicted to every chemical in the world ,write another law he must be sick . Nonsense .

                1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                  Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  I would not know how to answer these clustered fu*k guns problems, they only get worst with more guns.Other than disarmament of your Governments guns, first.

                  Be a man, fight with your fist if you run into a mentally ill person. They don"t background check on mental ill persons with a gun, then it's an unfair fight with a fool.

              2. PrettyPanther profile image86
                PrettyPantherposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                Let's get back on topic.  I was addressing the NRA rewriting children's stories to put guns in the hands of children like Hansel & Gretel.  I am saying that common sense tells us that for guns to be an effective way for children to defend themselves against predators, they would have to be armed when they are out and about without their parents.  This would not make children safer.  Do you think children should be armed with loaded guns while they are walking to school, traveling to a friend's house, hanging out with their buddies at the park, or playing in their own front yard, all occasions when a predator could possibly approach a child?

        2. ahorseback profile image52
          ahorsebackposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          ........If you have a gun in the house you are more likely to get shot ........."    You need to get some reality in your  opinions !

          1. PrettyPanther profile image86
            PrettyPantherposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            Not opinion.  FACT.  That's why I didn't allow guns in the house when my children were still living at home. 

            "Having a gun in your home significantly increases your risk of death — and that of your spouse and children.

            And it doesn’t matter how the guns are stored or what type or how many guns you own.

            If you have a gun, everybody in your home is more likely than your non-gun-owning neighbors and their families to die in a gun-related accident, suicide or homicide.

            Furthermore, there is no credible evidence that having a gun in your house reduces your risk of being a victim of a crime. Nor does it reduce your risk of being injured during a home break-in.

            The health risks of owning a gun are so established and scientifically non-controvertible that the American Academy of Pediatrics issued a policy statement in 2000 recommending that pediatricians urge parents to remove all guns from their homes.

            Notice that the recommendation doesn’t call for parents to simply lock up their guns. It stresses that the weapons need to be taken out of the house."


            https://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion … g-gun-home

  5. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago

    Since nobody excepts my Solutions by going after the bankers.o

    Most parents can afford at $35 gun for their children. For ones who can't afford a gun the NRA could provide because they can make profit selling $10 per bullet. Welfare can help because they save by less bodies to pay out to. IF every kid has a gun, it would put the fear of God toward preverts, some gays and bully kids.

    Since Americas kill themsevle greater than overseas. When the America dollar crashes they can kill themselves faster faster faster like public enermy no.1 Reefer Maddness. Then then Gov.drones can move in and save the day. That would make the rest of the world happiest because America would invade us less.

    Yeaaah...yeaaah I like NRA fairytales MAAAH. Mooahhhh moaaahaha.an eye for an eye grows 10 fold then a 1000 fold mmmaàà NRA, how about my little dog? Guard dog shooting with their teeth, mmaaaa mahh ah.

  6. Aime F profile image83
    Aime Fposted 8 months ago

    Because as we all know, only good guys have guns.  No way would the witch or the wolf have guns in these versions of the stories, no siree.  Not with all the hoops y'all have to go through to get your hands on a gun.

    Wait, that doesn't sound quite right...

    I think the more realistic version of these stories would involve everyone with a gun and perhaps a feel-good shootout of some sort.

  7. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image95
    Wesman Todd Shawposted 8 months ago

    I praise God above each and every day for the National Rifle Association, and the many men and women within it who steadfastly seek day in, day out, to protect the United States Constitution, and its Bill of Rights.

    I am forever thankful to God above I was born in this great nation of plenty, full of patriots forever seeking to uphold the ideals of the founders.

    1. colorfulone profile image88
      colorfuloneposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      +1 Awesome!

      http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/12947338.jpg
      Brainwashed!

      1. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Thank you for that awesome cartoon.  Would still love to know what you think about this.

        http://hubpages.com/politics/forum/1357 … ost2805838

    2. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      This thread is about stories rewritten by the NRA to show what would happen if children were armed.  Do you think their depiction is accurate?  Do you think arming children is an effective way to protect them from predators?

  8. PrettyPanther profile image86
    PrettyPantherposted 8 months ago

    Dear Lovers of the NRA.  It's okay to love someone with flaws.  No one is perfect, including those you love.  True love is acknowledging the shortcomings of your object of affection, and still loving them, warts and all.  The NRA is wrong to encourage children to carry guns.  Just say it.  You'll feel better.  And you can still love the NRA.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      I like everything except loving guns. It will all backfire.

  9. ahorseback profile image52
    ahorsebackposted 8 months ago

    Seriously, you  believe the NRA stories means they would arm all children ?  I've go a beach in Arizona to sell you , And you know what , given the general anti gun  ,face book , mentality around here ,you would by it .    The NRA has done more for  older children's training around guns than most parents have .

    Got milk ?
    Got common sense ?

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      NRA should stay out of our schools.

      Teach lesson in love rather than how to kill each other.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        I agree in principle, though I cannot be a pacifist if I am also going to be a realist in the world as it currently exists.  Sadly, there are times when we must kill to protect ourselves.  I'm not delusional enough to suggest that arming children will protect them from predators, though.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          If the world was ruled by love rather fear that people allow to be sucker into.

          There would be no need for nukes, guns and war. If someone wants to fight, use their fists.

          Be a real man.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image86
            PrettyPantherposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            Um, well, it's hard for me to be a real man with my current genitalia.  I agree with you, actually.  Our decisions about the world we live in should be based on love, not fear.  But, until everyone is on board, there are times when we have to defend ourselves against those who haven't yet caught on.

    2. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      "Seriously, you  believe the NRA stories means they would arm all children ?"  No, I never said that.  I said that rewriting classic children's stories to arm children with guns so they can protect themselves from predators suggests that the writer (and the NRA, since the stories are posted on their "family" website) believes it is a good thing to do.  I specifically asked you what you think the motivation for rewriting the stories was, if not that.  And you have not answered, as usual.  I also specifically asked you to provide evidence that having guns in a home with children makes them safer, and you have not answered, as usual.

    3. colorfulone profile image88
      colorfuloneposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      That is about right for the Facebook mentality.  Zucherburg thinks if we show ISIS love that will help.  You better believe idiots will believe that shovel full of _____. 

      I don't love or hate the NRA. I don't think I have ever seen one of their magazines. But, I have heard about some of the stories published that don't get any media coverage, and they really should.

      http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/12948668.jpg tongue

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        We live much longer and safer than back then.

        1. roob profile image80
          roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          You didn't get the point of the poster did you? Lol.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            I don't know anyone who had been killed by a rock, did have rocks thrown at me by mugger, they hurt.

            I know how rock and roll got started.
            Dave threw a rock at Goliath's and rolled the giant.

        2. colorfulone profile image88
          colorfuloneposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          Life couldn't have been easy back then.  People must have been excellent hunters and fishermen to do what they did.  If I remember right people were living to be over 100 years old when Cain killed Able.  Not sure about that.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            No science proof there, although a monk was said to be in a meditation state for 200 years.

            In biblical times people lived from 25 to 30 years old. Making Jesus a really old man at age 33, how much sacrifice was that.

            I can imagine people living in much earlier times would have lived a much harder life again. Maybe living as long as our doGs today.

      2. ahorseback profile image52
        ahorsebackposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        I like that poster !

  10. ahorseback profile image52
    ahorsebackposted 8 months ago

    http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/12948072.jpg

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      It is a good time to speck out about Jewish leaders who select the president and brainwash us to fight in the middle East. Their plan is to bring the battle back home where our children can fight too,  like the Iraqi kids do.

      1. roob profile image80
        roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        It is not the Jewish people. Are you serious? The terrorist attacking us is because they hate us Americans. Sick people always bring up the Jews. Sick sick delusional liberal people would blame it on a group like the Jews. Are you validating terrorism?

        1. rhamson profile image77
          rhamsonposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          I blame us for ignoring the rife we have sown in our convoluted efforts of foreign policy in the Middle East. Israel has benefited from this arrangement to practice a degree of apartheid there. This has always been a thorn in our side of trying to broker a peace accord despite being clearly on one side of the controversy. The Arab element has not and never will forget which side the US comes with regards to any issues regarding Israel and them.

          1. roob profile image80
            roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            Iran said they would destroy Israel... peaceful Israel.
            Why are hate crimes against the Jews the highest percentage? Way higher than against other groups such as gays or muslims!
            People hate the Jews just like the Bible said thousands of years ago.

            1. colorfulone profile image88
              colorfuloneposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              Israel is safe from Iran.  "Stuxnet" ...  American-Israeli cyber-warfare.
              All is well (for now).  The technocrats are busy.  What a show for anyone who has followed that!  That's what got me interested in quantum technology.

            2. rhamson profile image77
              rhamsonposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              "Iran said they would destroy Israel... peaceful Israel."

              Peaceful Israel? Did you understand the apartheid reference?

              "Why are hate crimes against the Jews the highest percentage?"

              Maybe because of the occupation of others land could be a start.

              "People hate the Jews just like the Bible said thousands of years ago."

              If religion is your argument perhaps you should move over to the other topic related to religion.

              1. ahorseback profile image52
                ahorsebackposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                The world vs.Israel ,

                Well how about this then , one small recently created nation  surrounded by enemies , but that's not unusual for the Jews is it ?   A nation  of people like you and I who are  attacked daily by rockets from those enemies ,that apparently you support ?  Hitler attacked them , why can't you then ,  is that it ? The world has persecuted the Jew for centuries  ,  so  it's all just  okay ?   How about this then   , why not leave a people who simply  want and deserve  peace , alone

                I wish people would read history before  commenting on  these P.C. forums. Especially  younger Americans , you really need to bone up on historical knowledge instead of hysterical  rants.

                1. rhamson profile image77
                  rhamsonposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  "one small recently created nation  surrounded by enemies"

                  Created how? By being given an area occupied and owned by others? Then continuing to rout out the rest of the original owners? You have a very Pollyanna way of describing the situation. How about the apartheid that is being practiced as a part of the process. Some innocence I would say! 

                  "How about this then   , why not leave a people who simply  want and deserve  peace , alone."

                  Did you read my post? How about we just do leave them alone and let them create some peace. That also reads stop selling them arms and supporting them with 6 billion dollars a year in aid.

                  "I wish people would read history before  commenting on  these P.C. forums."

                  I wish people would read the the unabridged history and not the propaganda that poses as history to get a good look at the reality of the situation in Israel. But of course as I stated before if you want to throw religion into the mix all bets are off as it is what you "believe" it to be.

                  1. roob profile image80
                    roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    No religion aside Jews are mistreated all over the world and it is the only group where it is allowed. Blacklivesmatter & the immigrants trump offended, gays and transexual, muslims all get to be defended but the Jews. I pointed out that it was funny a book thousands of years old said people would be like this. Sorry a religious historical reference offends you so much. Hm I would say we are more friendly to the bully Iran than our ally Israel. Some smart govt officials, besides that president of ours, actually agree!

              2. roob profile image80
                roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                Thank you a horseback! People are so blind to their treatment toward the Jews. I am a younger American who is disgusted with the treatment of Jews. I am Christian!

                1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                  Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  The Jewish/Zionist have taken over and America and Israel. When these 2 countries are the most hated countries there are reasons why.

                  Grimm brothers would be rolling over in their grave's if they knew guns were offered to children like candy. Guns is the leading weapon for suicide, murder and war. If these witches come anywhere near my kid, I'll give them a peace of my mine.

                  1. roob profile image80
                    roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    Your a fake bro. I said come to compton at night walking through. Wear a gold chain, nice watch, use an iPhone while wearing beats headphones & jordan shoes, don't forget to dress in red. I guarantee if you won't walk out of there with any of those items mentioned. You might not walk out alive.
                    Easy for you to say when you don't live or go through an area this bad.
                    You wouldn't give them a peace of mine, they would take a piece out and blow out your mind.

                2. colorfulone profile image88
                  colorfuloneposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  We have been fed a lot of propaganda forever it seems.  Its important to know that the Bible says there is only a remnant of the ancient Israelites, and that is true today.  I love your heart of love for the Jews, but its good to know history and some DNA facts too.  -  God bless! 

                  http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2805927

                  I don't mind if that thread gets off topic, as it has many times already.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                    Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    Jewish bankers and oil King own Americans. Enjoy your debtors slavery for life and your little kids too. -Wail they increase guns and nukes my family is prepared for their depopulation plan.

                3. rhamson profile image77
                  rhamsonposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  Thank you again for speaking what motivates your opinion. I cannot argue with a belief. At the very least least you are honest about it.

                  1. roob profile image80
                    roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    You argued against my religious belief? How can you not argue with a belief? Lol that sounds hypocritical.

        2. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          Follow the money, it will lead you to the root of all this evil. Rothschild's Rockefella on so are zionist/jews. They are actually giving the real Jews a bad name.

          Why would liberals hate America? Why would a tree fight with their own branches. Israel and America are the most hated countries in the world.

          The Government is like a fungas on an anmerica  tree. It'' s job is to protect the tree"s by cooling it's roots, and from deseaes. Instead this fungas is causing the tree struggling three to death.

          1. ahorseback profile image52
            ahorsebackposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            Without blowing horns , America is the most  generous country in the world in most respects ,  It is but scripted ideologies of  the Koran  that create such hate for the western cultures , Judeo Christianity is  the object, the subject and the evil empirical religion of the western world  .according to Islamic activists .   

            America is also attacked , although passively in economic wars by many countries and their subjective ,one sided trade policies . Everyone - everyone  wants the one magic ingredient that they need for their economic prosperity - our consumerism !   Americans have watched and recognized more recently as this trade deficit for America , within and without of our borders , has destroyed our economy and our future .

            Right as this very moment the American voter is  in a war with established 2 party political party system in America , they have collectively" sold out "  the American economy !  our heritage and history ,This Year  The American voter will be making major changes in it's future by electing an outsider for its political leader , we are beginning - just beginning to reclaim our nation from an errant congress and senate , who have all but destroyed our country.

            My opinion -  watch out !.... Watch out to all of you who would defame , denigrate and destroy our country , especially from within ,  America may be on a path towards much deserved isolationism protected by a new order of patriotism , this summer promises to be a possibly violent summer between those who would  want socialistic change and those who want to reclaim or  country .The political conventions  will indicate  a resurgence of patriotic fervor in America . It's going to be interesting .

            To all of you who love to hate America - be warned - you're about to lose your sugar momma .

            1. colorfulone profile image88
              colorfuloneposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              "The political conventions  will indicate  a resurgence of patriotic fervor in America."

              I read your post early this morning and this one sentence rang out to me, but especially the word "resurgence" ... because that is a word I have been getting. 
              We are experiencing a "synergy of the ages" as Christians.  I love it!

  11. ahorseback profile image52
    ahorsebackposted 8 months ago

    I'll tell all of you one thing ,as many who are with me will ,  I live in an "open carry " state , meaning ,you can carry a firearm open or  concealed in most places and this as well  :   My family , my friends and the innocents around me come first !   In light of a  shooting  incident I will  use what I have to protect me , mine and yes , even you !

    So write on  with our anti- gun or second amendment  rhetoric .  There are those around you who remain vigilant , or at least you'd better  hope so .

    1. colorfulone profile image88
      colorfuloneposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      You sound like an honorable man if integrity who is will to do what he has to do to protect his loved ones. That's what any able bodied honorable person should do.

      1. roob profile image80
        roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Amen. You sound like a great creature too. Also by the looks of your profile pic... a pretty hot dog if you don't mind me mentioning lol!(:

        1. colorfulone profile image88
          colorfuloneposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          That is a photo of my daughter's pug, one very hot little dog indeed.  smile

  12. ahorseback profile image52
    ahorsebackposted 8 months ago

    If those who are anti-s ever got down to the real truths of violence , you would clearly see that man to man violence is a religion in the inner cities AND that is where the most anti gun statistics are  gathered ,, so , who runs the worst inner cities in America ?  Democrats, those who are mostly against violence and guns  !    LA.   Detroit ,  New Orleans,  Baltimore ,  when you antis get a chance and feel like gathering real truths , look up the top ten most violent cities in America .     Always the highest populated areas , always the most out of control populations , always the poorest neighborhoods , from knockout games , to  gang violence ,  from the worst drug cultures ,to the most apathetic union run city management , police , hospital ,  city employees .

    Yet the left will have us all  believe that hunters ,sports shooters , military veterans , and cops should melt their guns down  to make garden rakes . 

    So I ask you , What's wrong with a little reality denial though .......right ?

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Putin says to America don't get rid of your gun.
      I say get the US Government to get rid of their guns first. Or lower their disarming a great deal,? Or you got civil world you will really hate.

    2. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      The only person on this thread recommending disarming anyone is not an American.  This thread is about the NRA's apparent support of arming children to protect themselves against predators.

  13. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago

    That sugar momma kills us more than any other substances.

    There are many free economy countries outpacing the US and they do not need to rape and plunder the people and their land. Yes US pays some for killing 60 millions Japs, bombed Vietnam more than world 2. Spend 6 trillion on the middle East destruction for oil. Rob Afghanistan for opium and lithium. You don't see them helping much Africa from tyrants and poverty unless their is oil or something of greed.

  14. ahorseback profile image52
    ahorsebackposted 8 months ago

    Anyone that blames the Jews  for any of todays  problems really had ought  to read a history book or two , not just the rags that the liberal press of today publishes .  There is only one truth  and for story book liberals to whine about as  the Jewish actually  go about defending their very existence today , is a shame .   One thing about the hatred of Jews , It   still lives now , today  , right this very minute  ,  as the "rockets red glare "  beams there  away across from Lebanon , from the Palestine side of the fences .   

    Okay  all Jew haters , imagine it in an American  P.C. way , one small enclave  in inner city Chicago  where "black lives matter 'is being rocketed by  the KKK  from across  the bridge every single day  of the week .......there you go , now your getting it .

    1. colorfulone profile image88
      colorfuloneposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      "I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned."
      ~  Richard Feynman  smile

      But, the answer is mocked...and many are led astray.

    2. roob profile image80
      roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      ahorseback it is honestly mind blowing that people are so liberal to every group but the Jews. Just like the Bible said thousands of years ago. The liberal people will not agree with anything in the Bible. If it said red was red, they would say it was blue. If we told them they were wrong, we would be prejudice lol. God bless us living with such closed minds who think they are actually open.

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        That the bible said, thousands of years ago, that other "nations" would persecute a violent group prone to warring on others and taking their land because "God told me to" is not surprising.  The same can be said of a group that declares they are better than anyone else because they're "God's chosen".  That's not particularly conducive to peaceful relations - just look at the middle east to see what it does.

        1. roob profile image80
          roobposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          The Bible also said there would be unrest in the middle east. Oh must just be a coincidence right? Lol
          So you think Iran should have all that land? Where should Israel go? Lol Iran hates us while Israel is our ally.

  15. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago

    I except all religions, all sex over 18.
    I except handicap's, and all kinds of live and let live situation as long as they do not harm


    To except millions of children and women being killed by Americans and Zionist (fake Jews) like ducks in the air.  They are the most dangerous group of robots and greedy corperations on the planet.You think they can take the planet,

    Just consider most of the debt for life slaved American whites and the 86% of the world's population, madder than hell people of colour.

    Guess who win,? My bet is with the facts and numbers. Trump hire me, because he said I am the best. A few times, he is right.

    1. ahorseback profile image52
      ahorsebackposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      I wish most people who hate America were more like you Castle , and if  they moved somewhere else like you have , all the better .    Today on the news I watched a new group "F the American Flag " , is their  name  ,  standing on a large flag  at a protest rally .  I will patiently  await they day that they too leave or are driven from their  homes and ..................well I won't go there .  I believe ,most Americans are just plain tired of America -haters .  So be it I say ,   put those who hate our country  on a list and post it publically  !

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        In my adult life I've never harmed or hated. Yes I have moved from the US. Because GW Bush thinks I'm a terrorist because I refused to sculptor him a war scene, how horribly sad.

        10s of millions of People are wise to move from their homes or families if need be. Out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria many other countries because America is killing millions of them.


        American's rapes and plunders all over the world. The main reason they invaded Germany, (a white Christain nation) is because it was there job to own the world as bullies as they are.

        If some sick and tired Americans want to burn their flags or passports. Hell it's just a tiny bit of fabric, they can let their bosses go steal millions more tons of it.  By their guns and nukes they bully wideworld into the greatest fear, slavery and posioning of their food, that human history has ever known.

        You give hate you get hate. Try giving them true love and their own freedom and keep NRA guns away from your own kids.  If not, the very poor whites and 86% people of color will be coming to take their lives back. It's already happening and I've envision it clearly in my nightmares. Who side will you be on when they land their boats on you?

        1. ahorseback profile image52
          ahorsebackposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          I find it amusing when people say they would leave America ,  must be that's why so many are running INTO America  across our borders ! From Europeans  to Hispanics , from  across our northern borders too !   The world watches as millions of immigrants climb across our fences ,   hide in the spare tire compartments ,  Roast to death in the back of semi- box trucks , Ya ...... The whole world hates America  .........must be our  system  and our money that they love ?

  16. Castlepaloma profile image23
    Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago

    Many countries still have the American dream myth. Yet, you have to be asleep to exprience. At one time US had much of these dreams, did come true.

    Yes many Mexican still run to the boarder usually for the love of money. Now, many Mexicans are running back.

    Because according to an American bias UN polls. For the happiest countries in the world, Mexico ranks higher than US for happiness. Along with 10 million running American who live there, some for asylum.

  17. ahorseback profile image52
    ahorsebackposted 8 months ago

    Mexicans  happier ? What a joke  .Interesting that in Mexico, not unlike Canada too  ,  that  the indigenous populations are and have  been persecuted  by the governments themselves  though ,  I just listened to a talk Radio report of how America sent over sixty million dollars in the year 2014 to the Mexican Government .      Now , the media loves to only expound upon how 67% of America wants a wall  built yet   the Mexican government is totally persecuting   native AND central American Indians and criticizing America for wanting a wall !    I'd like to know what the hell is wrong with the mainstream media in America , to say nothing about outside media sources Simply unanswerable I suppose .
    So I have some advice that isn't anything new at all but will always be valuable , If you don't like America and it's supposed  economic and  immigration  deficiencies  , take a hard look at REAL persecution , at REAL  economic warfare , at REAL racial genocide ,   go just beyond the  southern borders of America , I've been there and seen enough  to know a country that's truly tyrannical ,  racially  unjust and   economically  fascist ,I have listened to Indigenous natives in Mexico talk about  their government ,    For that matter , some of the most racially biased  nations , some of the most genocidal governments in the world are European nations .   

    But go ahead  , dis- America , it feels good huh ?

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      America and Mexico both have extreme ghettos and some amazing places to live. Having lived in both I'm happier in Mexico and a have house in Belize. I feel less safe in America became of guns and greed. NRA teaching kids about guns is just one of too many dangerous things.

      I have a tough love for America has it's been the source of most best and worst ideas that spreads worldwide.

      World's worst ideas weapon of mass destruction, toxic products and centre banking system. Bank is the worst and forces on the people, for people would not choose these ideas in their hearts. It's truly these ideas are the mother load of bad ideas on earth.

      Centro bank have invaded 99% of our landscape of the planet. Our only salvation is for the people to take control or they will destory every part of all our live including world depopulation. I doing one more thread on these hubpages about banks and then I'm done.

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Guns are scary aren't they?  Especially when one considers that they are but a cold piece of iron; that it is the person behind the gun that is dangerous.  And there are a lot of people out there!

        1. Alternative Prime profile image84
          Alternative Primeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          GUNz are very SCARY Considering the Projectile EJECTED from the Barrel is the Lethal Piece that actually does the Damage and or KILLING of a Human BEING ~

          1. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            Sorry - the killer is the person pulling the trigger, not a chunk of inanimate lead.  Even a liberal should be able to comprehend that.

            1. Alternative Prime profile image84
              Alternative Primeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              Sorry wilderness, but in REALITY, the "KILLER" exhibits "Intent", the weapon such as the GUN and related "Inanimate Lead" causes the DEATH ~ That's just an Irrefutable FACT ~ A Bullet from the GUN enters the BODY causing Trauma & Destruction of Flesh & Perhaps Vital Organs, NOT the "Finger" of the person Pulling the Trigger ~

              1. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                Right.  The inanimate chunk of lead has an intent.

                You do realize how silly that sounds?  Will you now put all such things on the defendent's chair in a courtroom?

                1. Alternative Prime profile image84
                  Alternative Primeposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  Honestly wilderness, I'm not sure how it's possible to have a RATIONAL Conversation with anyone who Refuses to ACCEPT the Undeniable FACT that the BULLET from the Gun ACTUALLY Causes the Death ~

                  1. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    Or with someone that thinks a bullet has an intent of it's own.  Or can kill without a person to send it on it's way.  Or without gunpowder to propel it or a gun barrel to guide it.  Might as well say it's that dab of gunpowder that is the killer and should be put on trial, don't you think?  After all, the bullet's intent is likely to remain just as it is rather than destroy itself by hitting bone - it would surely be my intent were I a lead slug crimped into a brass jacket sitting in a gun that is having the trigger pulled by a person.

                    It was you, after all, that pointed out (quite correctly) that a killer exhibits an intent...

              2. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                Since we are talking about kids with guns.

                Junk food vs real food would be mostly in the 10 top most common ways to die. If  the parents stock the whole house with junk food for 18 years.

                Would not the child be unhealthier and have his/her very life in much more danger than stocking the house with real food.

                Now consider a child with a gun vs  baseball bat, a knife or anything, or take another pick.

                What is more deadly or harmful? If you teach a child or an aldult fool how to use a gun?  Since the other weapons were not designed kill, there no sense in teaching kid how to kill with them, unless they live in Iraq.

              3. rhamson profile image77
                rhamsonposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                You are arguing over method and intent? If your saying the bullet caused the death then we should outlaw automobiles and sue the car manufacturers for their supplying the method. Stupid point! Intent is the culprit my friend.

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  That's what he said - that killers have an intent to do so.  And is now frantically backpedaling by saying he can't have a rational discussion with someone that thinks the bullet doesn't cause the death.  Can't have a reason to think guns aren't natural born killers, after all!

                2. Castlepaloma profile image23
                  Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  I feel safer driving older vehicles than newer ones for steel is stronger. Still vehicles are designed not to kill people unlike guns. The World can end guns tomorrow and immediately be far safer and peaceful. Where if we end vehicles, hell would break out.
                  There is 10 States where firearm cause more death than vehicles.

                  1. rhamson profile image77
                    rhamsonposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    That's like saying if we stop saying angry words then no one will be offended. Human nature cannot be controlled by withdrawing that which some are committed to doing. There are always going to be wars, strife and oppression. What will we use to equalize that situation if guns were banned. I'll give you a hint. Bang, bang.

                  2. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    "The World can end guns tomorrow and immediately be far safer and peaceful."

                    I'm sure you can back this statement up with hard facts and figures for localities where it has happened.  Link, please?  It would also be interesting to see the examples of firearms causing deaths...without a person pulling the trigger.

        2. colorfulone profile image88
          colorfuloneposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/12958086.jpg

          Baseball players with bats could be dangerous terrorists. 
          Or, is it the bats?  We must do something about bats.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            I was mugged with a club , knife and stones by 3 thugs in Columbia. No one was seriously harmed and got back my plane tickets and passport. Without them the Police would harm me and throw me in a cage.

            With a gun any fool or bully controls your life. Nothing worst than being killed, it"s game over.
            Leading weapon to kill in murders suicides, and war. It is not just coincident it co-in-sides.

            The worst people with a gun that causes 95% of the crimes is occupation.

            Centro banking system  in 99% of the world along with military holds people to debtor slavery and not just by gun point slavery. For slavery is greater now, than any other time in history.
            It is the antisapaction of the big bang that fears us and runs our very lives and the world by these occupational bullies..

            I'm not afraid of dieing, I'll take down these bully banksters with a resolution like they did in Iceland. Imprison them for 74 years. Don't kill them or your  hypocrites.

  18. ahorseback profile image52
    ahorsebackposted 8 months ago

    This is exactly why Americans cannot coagulate in agreement to  form any conclusion in just about any issue  at all !   A bullet , a rock , a kitchen knife , a step ladder , a  baseball bat , a boat , an axe , a  beer bottle, a  kiddie swimming pool  or  a bare hand !    Anything , anything at all can be used to kill a man .  But do we blame it on  the human aspect  of the given death . Nooooo,.........  we blame  every example of  such  deplorable human conditions as the  taking another life  on an inanimate object  ! How moronic !

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      I guess you did'nt get my junk food scenario.

      Hypothetical, imagine you and I were put into an American  gladiator cage. But only one of us gets to come out of the cage alive.

      You are allow any or all tools and objects from the entire household and garage.(gun not allowed) to kill with.

      I just pick a gun to fight to the death with.

      Who wins and who is more moronic for the choice of their deadly weapon?

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        ahorseback is a skilled sword fighter.  You will almost certainly die, he may be injured but will almost certainly NOT die.

        But what does your hypothetical scenario have to do with anything?  Is it designed to "prove" that all the statistics are wrong - that taking guns away will result in fewer deaths?  (Did you know that more people are killed in the US without any weapon at all than with long guns, including the dreaded "assault" rifles?)

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          I can't imagine running out of ideas to kill anyone. If it did come down to horseman life or mine. I'll certainly win that fight. Sorry horseman, I kind of like you.

          In a cage fight you start off in a corner and come out fighting. I can throw a knife more accurately than be could throw a sword. Yet, both methods would lose to six bullets. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight. How many people have swords at home, Ok lets pretend this is horseman househole to be more fair.
          If 6 bullets  does not kill him. I would finish him off with his own weapons. Since I've been skilled with craving tools all my life.

          I can only hope I would not blow my own brains out for doing such horrible things to horseman.   He would not even be able to respect me for my skills because he is dead, game over.

  19. JG Hemlock profile image88
    JG Hemlockposted 8 months ago

    I think that before the year is over people will change their minds on guns. Real events kicking down their front doors has a way of changing minds.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Glad you see the sense of not a having a gun. I can see somebody like a President to have a body guard and gun. Most of the public do not like the Government.

  20. ahorseback profile image52
    ahorsebackposted 8 months ago

    Scenario -

    Whenever I read such blind ultra left hogwash , I find myself  imagining  about a day when anarchy rules , even a little  revolution in the streets ,  all too much for the usual  law enforcement to handle and things begin to go  bump in the night and I   I know !     I just know ! 

    The first ones to seek out a gun , ammo , stealing  canned foods from the aisles of the supermarket to defend THEMSELVES  will be the anti- gun liberal .     Those who argue the most against these liberties  in America  Will Be The First To Arm Themselves .

    Scenario-two - They will run to someone who has a gun !

    Now ,Why do I believe that - because of their obvious inherent selfishness .

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      I already know from traveling in 6 countries in active war zones. I endangered my life greatly by having a gun because you increase your fear that you will use it and you increase their fear you having a deadly threat to them.

      In my 2 eco village I teach people how to grow their own food. I'm a security supervisor councilor part time. Also teach community watch this also in workshop to self sustainable eco home owners.

      When the $US dollar crashes you be left with a gun and food 1500 miles away.

      1. ahorseback profile image52
        ahorsebackposted 7 months ago in reply to this

        http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/12963476.png

        THE   NEXT TIME YOU ARE STANDING IN YOUR GARDEN  REACH DOWN AND GRASP A HAND FULL OF CARROTS  AND ASK  IT THIS  VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION ;
          "WHY  ARE YOU RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WORLD 'S  HUNGER ?"

        THAT MAKES AS MUCH SENSE AS HOLDING A  GUN RESPONSIBLE FOR A  MANS ACTIONS !

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 7 months ago in reply to this

          Don't get the logic.

          Real food save lives most.
          As a weapon guns kill people most.

          Is it not best to take action towards a healthy, happy and to be alive lifestyle.

          Where guns are more dangerous to have than to not have.

          1. ahorseback profile image52
            ahorsebackposted 7 months ago in reply to this

            Peanuts kill people Castlepaloma ,   So does eating steak !  Getting any logic  yet ?

            1. Castlepaloma profile image23
              Castlepalomaposted 7 months ago in reply to this

              We never heard of peanuts killing anyone as kids, what are they putting in those thngs these days. I won't touch red meat.

              1. ahorseback profile image52
                ahorsebackposted 7 months ago in reply to this

                How about this then ,  think about this !   Abortions kill more  black children in America than ANY other cause whatsoever , including guns .  Peanuts , swimming pools  , knives  , or  neglect .   Before you answer  , think !

                1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                  Castlepalomaposted 7 months ago in reply to this

                  Being pro choice, it is the final choice of the mother. I choose to keep my child and luckily my ex wife did too. If a child is born into a World without the ultimate love from his/her orginal mother. That person will most likely suffer greatly throughout life. Ultimately I want every person on earth to experience more happiness rather than more suffering.

                  Also under the situation of the people suffering too much like chronic illness , elderly and so on.

                  Horse you want for other authority's to decide a person's life here and overseas who they know so little about. Meanwail when these authority's won't give a dam if you live or die or how much your suffering in life.

                  Nobody in the world knows me better than I know myself. Anything physically major wrong with me. I get 3 or 4 doctors options and always it's  end up with a good naturopathic doctor.

                  Meaning you are your own best doctor in the world. You ultimately make final choice's what you put into you body or the choice to life that comes from your body. Most people I don't trust with my body. Who could care for my body greater then me. Who knows better about my body and the choices I make than me.NO BODY!

                  If you want to be an ultimate pro lifer. Foam a human chain around every gravesite. Don't let them in no matter how they are suffering. Let their slave masters decide their fate, it won't be pretty.

 
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