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John F. Kennedy Would Hate Bernie Sanders ?

  1. ahorseback profile image44
    ahorsebackposted 6 months ago

    I would like someone on the extreme left to reconcile  President Kennedy's    ......."Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You  But What You Can Do For Your Country "   placing that up against  Bernie Sanders  free everything ?

    Any takers ?

    1. Credence2 profile image85
      Credence2posted 6 months ago in reply to this

      Kennedy was a progressive in relation to the time in which he  lived.

      Rightwinger people soil his memory by just mentioning his name.

      Trump is the ignoramus that the late President would have had a great belly laugh over.

      1. always exploring profile image85
        always exploringposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        Credence 2..I am laughing at the thought of President Kennedy's belly laugh. You are spot-on. I think he would've loved Bernie who BTW has a heart that loves everyone. I'm sure he shed tears when people lost their homes, while Trump was foaming at the mouth at the prospect of making money on their foreclosures.

        1. Credence2 profile image85
          Credence2posted 6 months ago in reply to this

          And a high five back at ya'.

          Whatever happened to the times when being 'wealthy' was seen as an opportunity to serve others, holding yourself to a higher standard in every way (Kennedys and Roosevelt's)? A time when our leaders having wealthy backgrounds were empathetic regarding the less fortunate and actually led by example. That made me proud of them and brought tears to my eyes. Wealth meant education, civility and most of all being a gentleman, bringing out our best, not our worse inclinations as a people.

          Trump is the antithesis of all of these lofty concepts and as a result, I would not let this 'chiseler' take out my garbage let alone occupy the highest office in the land.

          So, in 2016, what have we deevolved into? Trump who boasts of his qualifications based only on the fact that he has more money than you?

          Kennedy would have said that Trump was ridiculous! He would have been much more comfortable with Bernie Sanders.

      2. ahorseback profile image44
        ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        Ya .......right !

    2. Stevennix2001 profile image83
      Stevennix2001posted 6 months ago in reply to this

      Trump's policies are vague and ambiguous at best.  Hilary doesn't give a crap about this country, and Bernie is the only one that has definitively stated from the beginning what his policies are, so what other alternative are there that you would suggest?  hmm

      1. ahorseback profile image44
        ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        I would like Sanders , being from my state and knowing his political  ideology for years , To explain in depth ANYTHING socially reconstructive  that  he has ever proposed .  You know , like how to pay for it and  how he will get congress to agree to radical economic-  social --political -  reconstruction !   

        Ever notice he never directly answers HOW  , Only WHAT he would do ?  Never .

        You people are pipe dreamers .

        1. Stevennix2001 profile image83
          Stevennix2001posted 6 months ago in reply to this

          Sanders said he would raise taxes.  End the war on drugs.  Close private prisons.  Close down the NSA. Reduce military spending.  How does him saying he'd do those things not answer your question in regards to where the money for free colleges would come from?  Do you need him to spell it out for you because it's quite obvious where the money would come from.  Plus, European countries provide free healthcare and free college, yet they don't have a problem with it.  Why are you so behind the times?

          Besides, at least he's not like trump where he's basically says crap on fox news like, "I can't tell you what I'm going to do about Russia because they might be watching this show, and I don't want Vladimir Putin to know what i have in store for him, but just trust me.  If I'm elected, I'll get along with Putin."  Yeah...tell me again how detailed Trump is with his plans exactly?

          1. ahorseback profile image44
            ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

            Trump is a successful entrepreneur ,  whether he started with money or not .  Sanders owns one house ,   nothing for assets but his soon to disappear Senate salary  , You tell me where the real   financial planer really is ?

            Sanders entire premise is that higher taxes are the  payroll  for his entire career one , and Two ,  the answer to all  political  reformations .   He is a career politician   

            His entire career's  popularity is centered directly around  organized labor , and  student  age naiveté' in Vermont  . He is a proven avowed socialist , doesn't that bother you at all?

            1. Stevennix2001 profile image83
              Stevennix2001posted 6 months ago in reply to this

              I love how you ignored the part where I said he'd get rid of the NSA and private prisons, and relocate the budget for those things like free education and healthcare.  Not to mention ending the war on drugs will save millions for the government because of the fact that over half our prisons are full of non violent offenders.  Doing those things alone will save money for Sanders to do some of the things he's promising; along with reducing military spending.

              As for Trump, I'm surprised your defending him because I read a forum post from you a while ago, where you said that not only did you not want him to win, but you also said you'd write Hilary Clinton a letter apologizing to her.  I wonder what changed your tune about him.   As for Trump, you are aware the man has filed for bankruptcy a few times, and he's on the record for swindling college students out of their hard earned money from Trump University.  However, I guess you just want to ignore that huh?

              1. IslandBites profile image84
                IslandBitesposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                People who follow colors had no choice but to get in line. LOL Kinda like FOX... Sad.

                1. Stevennix2001 profile image83
                  Stevennix2001posted 6 months ago in reply to this

                  lol.  Well all the more reason why I respect my mother a lot more.  She's a republican too, and even she said she's not going to vote for Donald Trump even if he does win the GOP nomination.  It's a damn shame she's in the minority saying that.

              2. ahorseback profile image44
                ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                "Get rid of the NSA ,Close the prisons ,Ending the war on drugs" ............ You and others like you need to get educated in reality .....One doesn't just eliminate total employed  institutions  just to pay for your entitlements ,    although those are fine examples of  leftist rhetoric .

                Hey lets eliminate  the Navy  - to pay for new kindergarten pic-nick tables.
                How about eliminate NASA - to pay for clean  needles for drug addicts.
                Hey let's eliminate Government jobs - to pay for free stuff .............

                Explaining leftist social programming ideology is kind of like two children fighting over a soccer ball on the playground , "I know ,  lets cut the ball in half "!
                http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13035011.jpg

                1. Stevennix2001 profile image83
                  Stevennix2001posted 6 months ago in reply to this

                  Explain in detail, ONE incident where the NSA actually did anything that was good.  Just name one.  Let's see here.  Sony was hacked for making "The Interview" movie that mocked Kim Jong Un, yet the NSA couldn't prevent that from happening.  The IRS was hacked last year, yet the NSA was powerless to do anything to prevent it, and we still haven't heard word on if whether or not the hackers were found.

                  ISIS puts up videos of people being beheaded online, yet the only thing I heard about anyone stopping it was a hacker group called Anonymous going out of their way to shut down those videos.  Why not the NSA?  I mean if the NSA was designed to protect us, then why can't the government use it's resources to trace said videos?  Why couldn't they stop the IRS from being hacked, or at the very least trace whoever the f**k hacked it to begin with?  Why couldn't they protect Sony better when they were hacked? 

                  Again, name me one incident where the NSA actually did anything to protect us.  Just one.  Hell even Snowden, who worked for the CIA, claimed it's nothing more than a ruse to  help the government spy on people more so than protecting us, so please tell me what facts do you know about the NSA actually HELPING to protect us.  Don't worry, I'll wait

            2. Credence2 profile image85
              Credence2posted 6 months ago in reply to this

              No, Trump is a flim -flam man, 'successful' like Al Capone was successful, but he cannot continue to evade the long arm of the law.

              1. ahorseback profile image44
                ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                Is that kind of like Hillary has ?

                1. Stevennix2001 profile image83
                  Stevennix2001posted 6 months ago in reply to this

                  What i find ironic about Trump supporters is they say he's anti establishment, but he's given you nothing but proof to show that he is part of the establishment..  Hell, he even told you he was part of the establishment from day one of his freaking campaign.  Remember how he admitted that he contributed money to Hilary's campaign, in order to prove how politicians can be bought and paid for.  And remember how he said by giving said contributions, he could get whatever the f**k he wanted from them.  (i.e. making her show up to his wedding.)  He admitted that himself that he essentially bribed her by donating money to her campaign, while even citing how multi billionaires do this all the time, in order to prove how corrupt the system is.  But the irony is though, he essentially admitted he's part of the establishment by saying that, yet you people can't see it.

                  Hell, he's even under a lot of controversial heat for ripping off college students for his Trump University scam, yet you Trump supporters continue to blow off facts like that by claiming he's anti establishment, and how he looks out for the little guy.  But in reality, all he's done is prove to you that he's not only is part of the establishment, but he has swindled the little guy before.  Hello!  Trump University anyone?

                  Look, i'm not going to sit here and say Bernie Sanders is the perfect choice, as there's even things that he's said that I don't even agree with.  But at least with Sanders, you can tell his heart is in the right place, and none of his actions thus far has disproven that.   Whereas Trump, all his actions have shown is that he's only looking out for himself, and it's a shame that people like you can't see that he's conning you.   Seriously, he ripped off people with Trump University.   Do you honestly think he's not going to do the same damn thing to you if he's elected?

                  1. ahorseback profile image44
                    ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                    Sanders is rhetorically for a social...[ist ] over haul of America . AND it's something he could never possible accomplish , Why ?It's very simple , he would need congressional  support !  He's thereby feeding such cool-aid to the young and naïve voter ,     THAT ALONE, has always been his political calling . That lone is the one hour speech he ALWAYS gives .

                    I say" rhetorically "because that is the ONLY thing Sanders has ever  legislatively delivered . That is his entire premise ,   Does he have even ONE legislative victory with his name on it , for anything ? No.  Not one .

                    One of my major beef's , having done my homework ,  is his eight year stint at chairing and running the Veterans Affairs Committee .     If Sanders supporters truly did their homework AND if they truly supported and  were vigilant of the piss poor treatment our Veterans always receive AFTER  the wars , then you might think differently of him.  I realize Veterans are last on the importance list for liberals !

                    Trump , while far from my first choice ,  IS at least a  savvy businessman ,  The very fact that his incredible rise in the polls is  fairly phenomenal and  the simple fact alone  that the rest of the political world fears ,and so will respect America again  ,  should also excite anyone who loves their country , I understand though that patriotism is far from a priority of leftist ideology .    My understanding of "Trump College " is that is was a seminary or  motivational speaker based set of  programs .,   I have attended those , If one so choses to pay for that and has second thoughts ;  tough cookies !

  2. ahorseback profile image44
    ahorsebackposted 6 months ago

    All negative rhetoric !......  , Still no one has explained the difference between EVEN  JFK's  supporting of lower taxes on corporations, business , and  working class public ----- as compared to "Take from the rich and give to the rest stupidity ", ......of the great socialist Sanders ?

    The NSA , the Homeland Security , The DOJ. , even the supreme courts have , under this administration  , become nothing but  puppets of the liberal activists Obama administration .  Union memberships  for the same are only welfare projects for the  middle class . I'm not your secretary , look up true facts , honest statistics , AND history . Leftists today in America  are nothing BUT a new breed of entitlement driven  children living in the basements of their parents and  are all but "wet behind the ears " as to being bright and  informed voters .

    Admit it people - you just want more entitlements .

    1. Credence2 profile image85
      Credence2posted 6 months ago in reply to this

      C'mon horse, let's not be ridiculous, The difference between JFK and Sanders  is the difference between 1961 and 2016, yes?

      Kennedy, relative to his contemporaries during the time of his admistration was far more progressive than conservative.

      1. ahorseback profile image44
        ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        Okay , I admit that's true ,  given that moderate is about where everything is or should be anyway. in Truth America IS center . Heard it said it's probably  center- left !

        Come on credence  , you're  taking the fun out of this .

        1. Credence2 profile image85
          Credence2posted 6 months ago in reply to this

          "you're taking the fun out of this". Well, horse, don't I always?

          1. ahorseback profile image44
            ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

            No ,I'm sure you don't  now .......:-} actually been doing some family genealogy , finding out that this divisive political  nature  is hereditary  , go figure , right from the pre-colonial American times ........hehehe

  3. ahorseback profile image44
    ahorsebackposted 6 months ago

    http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13035535.jpg

    That's my ancestors there in the middle !.......:-}

    1. Stevennix2001 profile image83
      Stevennix2001posted 6 months ago in reply to this

      I'm still waiting on you to give me one example of what the NSA has done to protect us.   wink

      1. paradigmsearch profile image90
        paradigmsearchposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        Actually, I think they are pretty busy.

        1. Stevennix2001 profile image83
          Stevennix2001posted 6 months ago in reply to this

          Yes but the point is the fact that he can't answer that question indirectly proves my point that the NSA hasn't really done anything to deter terrorism.  And if you want me to be honest, I find it highly suspicious that the IRS got hacked around the same time the government had to mull over whether or not to keep the NSA.

      2. ahorseback profile image44
        ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        You can be your own secretary...........While the silent , invisible vigilance  of the NSA , Homeland Security , FBI , CIA .......etc.  allow you to rest easy as you dream of utopia .

        1. Stevennix2001 profile image83
          Stevennix2001posted 6 months ago in reply to this

          So in other words, not even you know what exactly the NSA has ever done to protect us.  hmm

          1. ahorseback profile image44
            ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

            It's called the National Security Agency ,  Only someone who's a national employee knows why their employees don't  account for their pay .  Are you a government employee? You tell me .

            1. Stevennix2001 profile image83
              Stevennix2001posted 6 months ago in reply to this

              No, I'm not a government employee.   However, I wish I was because they get free medical benefits the last I checked, but I digress.  It's okay.  Although for future reference, you might save yourself a lot of trouble by simply saying "I don't know."  That's what most people would say if they don't have an answer to a question.  Just saying.

              1. ahorseback profile image44
                ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                WE don't know , and that's a good thing , YOU definitely might  panic if you did .

                Simply Google it ! I did , The NSA is kind of impressive  in accomplishment towards preventing terror acts alone , world wide too !

              2. Credence2 profile image85
                Credence2posted 6 months ago in reply to this

                Stevennix2001: Couldn't help but to notice an oversight. Government employees do not get free medical benefits as part of their employment.

                1. ahorseback profile image44
                  ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                  Problem is  , federal employees  receive TOO much for free .  Amount to too little in real accomplishment  , and use too many resources doing so !

                  1. Credence2 profile image85
                    Credence2posted 6 months ago in reply to this

                    Thats your opinion, horse. It is just common and coarse rightwing claptrap....

 
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