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Lets see , Gorilla or Baby ?

  1. ahorseback profile image45
    ahorsebackposted 6 months ago

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    What kind of human idiocy  choses the animal over the child and is angered over dispatching the  zoo kept gorilla over saving the life of a four year old child?    I say charge the stupid parents for child neglect and  get over the dead gorilla .

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      More proof we are not advanced apes.

    2. colorfulone profile image88
      colorfuloneposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      On the day that Harambe was killed to save the life of the child there were some 125,000 abortions performed around the world that took the lives of unborn babies.

      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        125,000 abortions per day. I don't see a problem with that. We have  approximately 21,000 people per day die of starvation in the world. If we didn't have those abortions the world population would double in less than 20 years. How this would affect the amount of human suffering is difficult to determine.

        Sorry, there are some fates worse than abortion.

        1. ahorseback profile image45
          ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

          Typical liberal excusing of a liberal disaster  , More black children in America  die every year IN THE WOMB by abortions ...............Than ALL other causes combined .

          I believe 69 shot    ,w/8   dead , in Chicago  this weekend  alone , hear anything about that ?

          Gotta love that liberal dominated media !

          1. Live to Learn profile image82
            Live to Learnposted 6 months ago in reply to this

            I did read about the violence in Chicago. I suppose the liberal media somehow let that one get past them.
            roll

          2. Live to Learn profile image82
            Live to Learnposted 6 months ago in reply to this

            Instead of being negative, can you offer some solutions which would help young women in poverty in America feel that they had alternatives?

            Probably not. It's easier to scream, shout and do whatever it takes to condemn others than be part of the solution.

            1. ahorseback profile image45
              ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

              Sure , divorce yours from this sub- culture of punk  assed drug and  alcohol gang banger  lifestyle  for one , return to a self  appreciation of positive personal accountability , grow out of the welfare state entitlement  phase of your existence and stop using abortions as a method of birth control !
              How's that for starters ?

              1. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                Not sure that keeping the babies started will help a teen get out of poverty.  The rest is good, though.

                1. ahorseback profile image45
                  ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                  Liberals have to realize that all the real problem cities in America are  and have been RUN BY LIBERAL management , the most populated ,   the most violent , the most racially divided , the poorest inner cities and then   change that !
                  Chicago
                  Los Angeles
                  New Orleans
                  Baltimore
                  New York City
                  Washington D.C
                  Atlanta
                  Seattle

              2. Live to Learn profile image82
                Live to Learnposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                How do we create an environment where they can do that? It's easy to make statements such as that one but I don't live in the inner city and can't imagine how life must be there.

                Helping to pull people out of poverty as the solution which is part of your plan, I see. But, instead of looking at the situation as if these people chose this lifestyle I see it as being trapped in it. We have to figure out why we are allowing segments of our society to remain trapped.

      2. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        Big difference between a 4 year old and 3 month fetus.

        Apes will eat their own fetus, is that murder?

        1. colorfulone profile image88
          colorfuloneposted 6 months ago in reply to this

          Typically, it is believed that female animals only eat their young when there is something wrong with them or they died. It must be a sense they have, no one knows how they know. Also, they will kill their young if there isn't enough food around. Maybe a female can't produce enough milk or none at all.

          Some male animals that did not father young ones will often kill and eat the young, so that the female will become fertile and ready to mate much, much sooner then otherwise. It seems pathological but is just their way of breeding their own offspring.

          When I was little we had a rabbit that ate her babies, its still disgusting to think about, and I may never understand why. It is possible they were all ill, or maybe the mother thought there wasn't enough resources to feed them all and herself (there would have been).

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

            Now you know why humans use doctors, since we are animals too and can go extinct where we have too many babies like we have already on earth.

            When we get over crowded like rats, we become more criminal like rats they have tested on.

            1. colorfulone profile image88
              colorfuloneposted 6 months ago in reply to this

              I do understand and I am in favor of freedom to make our own choices. I like to stress education so people can make the best choice for themselves.  On the other hand, I do have my own personal moral feelings about abortion ... and that's where I seem to get in trouble when I express how I personally feel.  Everyone should have the liberty to have their own moral feelings and freedom to express them.  We are in danger of losing our First Amendment rights in America.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                I don't know of a better wriitten system than the US Constitution. Too bad it's been use like toilet paper along with the dollar by greedy corporatism.

  2. Live to Learn profile image82
    Live to Learnposted 6 months ago

    Charge the parents? Why? Without knowing the specifics, unless there is evidence they lobbed the kid over the fence into the enclosure, why would you suggest such?

    As for the gorilla, sorry it's dead but kids trump gorillas in my book.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      Why did'nt they use a trangailzer gun, the baby was no threat to the ape besides they very curious like us.. Gorilla's will kill if they are threaten, fear is danger.

      Stupid, much like the police kill innocent pot smoker in raids. Ape are 99% biologiically like us, except kinder.

      1. ahorseback profile image45
        ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        Tranq's don't work quickly enough , just ask Bill Cosby ,     it would have taken  too long  , anybody listen to the mothers rant during this . And YES , charge the parents .

    2. PhoenixV profile image80
      PhoenixVposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      There is no need for safe crackers in this world, just tell a toddler not to get in it or tell them there is candy in it and they can get in.  A child should not be able to get in a gorilla cage, no matter if the parent was drunk and unconscious.


      The lesson of the story is wild animals should not be in cages or zoos. They are not here for our entertainment.  It took 15 minutes, or so I heard. I would have made the decision and put the animal down in 1 second.

  3. Aime F profile image83
    Aime Fposted 6 months ago

    A tranquilizer could have frightened/confused the gorilla long enough before putting him out for him to become violent with the child.  Not a chance anyone wants to take, I'm guessing.

    I think they did the right thing by killing the gorilla, if it was somehow my child in there I'd be begging them to do it to ensure her safety, but it's still heartbreaking.  The gorilla had no choice in the matter and it did almost seem that he was protecting the kid.  It's a sad situation all around.  I do have a hard time envisioning how a child could have gotten through the rails, a wire fence, and a bunch of bushes without the parents noticing or trying to go after him, but I wasn't there so I don't really know how it happened or what the parents did/didn't do.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      He was protecting the child because the parent were doing a lousy job at it.

      We have killed most of animals on this planet since I was a young man. Then we lock up most of the rest of these animal in cages. Why don't we lock up ourselves  for murder?

      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        You first.

        But, honestly. Any parent who says their kid never got into anything during the one moment they took their eyes off them is lying. 

        Give the parents a break. Who would have thought an enclosure would be so unsecured that a four year old could get into it? Sounds like a design flaw.

  4. RJ Schwartz profile image92
    RJ Schwartzposted 6 months ago

    This is a story with lots of "what ifs" involved and unfortunately none of them matter - it was a decision made in the moment and it was the correct one.  I'm sure there are plenty of Monday morning Quarterbacks trying to replay the events under different circumstances, but the bottom line is that a human comes before an animal.

    If you let animal rights activists get their way, then you'll have humans suffering from a water shortage while fresh water is allowed to go out to sea for the Delta Smelt....just saying.....

    1. Neil Sperling profile image88
      Neil Sperlingposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      water shortage is a hoax promoted by the elite that wish to capitalize in water.... we have technology and the the workforce required to desalinize ocean water and pipe it anywhere in the world as we pipe oil. The trouble is our current monetary system is upside down. We print money out of thin air and dole it out to the top of the economic chain .....  we should flip the monetary system right side up... and fund such projects employing thousands and supporting all in need..... "THRIVALISM" ... not socialism... THRIVALISM is th solution to most ALL world problems.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        There are countries where politician tried to own all the water and the rain from the sky.

        Stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

    2. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      We are animal too,  if we can't treat other animals with the same having them go extinct faster than any other time in human history. We deserve the same.

      The top 5 threats to mankind is natural environment issue's. Knowing large wildlife behavior by confronting many, I would say those zoo keepers did not know their job.

      Much like killing people over pot or killing people over in the Middle East.

      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        I'm pretty sure that if a human had a four year old and was in a position to do bodily harm to him....we couldn't get the child away from that human...we felt that a tranquilizer wouldn't diffuse the situation quickly enough to ensure the safety of the toddler...we'd do the same as was done to the gorilla.

        Does that make you feel any better?

  5. Aime F profile image83
    Aime Fposted 6 months ago

    I'm not sure that it is a design flaw.  We have a membership at our local zoo and go every couple of weeks.  I'm very familiar with the enclosures and there are quite a few that my 4-year-old could get into if given the chance.  "If given the chance" being the key part of that.  They have security measures up to make sure that no one accidentally falls in or topples over - not every animal is caged up entirely to ensure that no one could get in under any circumstances.  That's even more limiting to animals that are already limited in their enclosures.  It's assumed that parents will take precautions and make sure that their kids aren't climbing into enclosures. 

    That said, I am sympathetic.  One quick lapse in judgment or attention can be devastating when you have a small child.

    1. Live to Learn profile image82
      Live to Learnposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      Having raised a toddler who we grabbed as he attempted to step forward to pet the lion, had to drag by the ankle back as he attempted to get into the rhino pen to retrieve a pretty rock, got pecked by an ostrich, had to be tackled as he took off full steam toward a busy street and might have attempted to walk to Europe under the ocean had I not grabbed him as he hit the surf...I know how quickly toddlers can go from at your side to a precarious situation. Bad parenting is, in my opinion, a poor and unfair judgment to make without all of the facts at hand.

      But, I see your point as to it not being a design flaw. It's kind of hard to make access completely impossible and to allow people to enjoy viewing the animals at the same time.

      1. Aime F profile image83
        Aime Fposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        I agree, I think a lot of people signing that petition to have the parents charged either don't have kids, or don't really understand that all kids are not the same.  I have a kid that listens extremely well, always asks me before she does something, and sticks close to me almost all the time.  I have friends whose kids seem deaf to their voice and run at any opportunity.  I don't think they're worse parents than I am, I think we just have kids with very different temperaments. 

        I admittedly have a harder time understanding how this situation got as far as it did not having experience with a "runner" myself, and my initial reactions were "how do you let a kid out of your sight for long enough to climb into an enclosure?" and "how do you not go in after him?" but without knowing exactly how it happened I don't think it's fair to judge them so harshly.  It could have been crazy busy and he could have ripped his hand away from mom's unexpectedly and bolted off into a crowd of people.  Who knows.

        1. IslandBites profile image84
          IslandBitesposted 6 months ago in reply to this

          While I agree with your point, I do believe that there should be at least an investigation. A woman who was there said the kid and mom were joking about him going into the moat.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

            In a sue, everybody Sue's everybody. Except the ones with the most money hold out best, like the Zoo in this case.

            1. Zoo keeper should know he is an Ape, not a polar bear. Apes are not big meat eaters.

            2. The Zoo is at fault not building the large animal structure idiot proof.

            3. An ape behavior when shot is to run away. Not to kill the infant or throw the infant at the shooters because he soooo madd.

            4. The zoo keeper should have had 2 guns. One a tranquilizer and a high power rifle in case anything goes wrong.

            People with a lot of money seem to have a licence to kill apes or humans.

            Let's not allow them to kill us and the animal kingdom, apes cost a lot money too.

            Or feed the Zoo keeper to the polar bears,  it not murder, it's food. We have way way too many humans on earth harming most animals anyways.

            1. IslandBites profile image84
              IslandBitesposted 6 months ago in reply to this

              I agree.

            2. ahorseback profile image45
              ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

              I do agree with that last one Castle ,  seen the video ? Its really disturbing .

            3. Aime F profile image83
              Aime Fposted 6 months ago in reply to this

              1. I don't think anyone was concerned about the gorilla eating the kid.

              2. They are idiot-proof, no one is going to accidentally fall into that enclosure.  Being child-proof and idiot-proof are very different things, small children are crafty and resourceful and could find ways into places most adults couldn't.  The zoo has to assume that children are being supervised.  If they aren't, it's not their fault. 

              3. Unless you're an expert in ape behaviour I don't think you can say what they'd do when they got shot.  Many actual experts have said they made the right call. 

              4.  The tranquilizer would have stunned him and who's to say what he'll do with the child he's holding onto then?  Even if he had no intentions of hurting him he could accidentally do so quite easily.


              The whole situation is awful and I am very sad for the gorilla as the poor thing did nothing wrong, but when it came to the safety of a small child and the gorilla, they made the right call.  If it was your kid in there wouldn't your only concern be their safety?  I'm an animal lover and from the outside I think it's really easy to say they should have tried everything to get the kid out without killing the gorilla, but when I put myself in the situation of that parent I want that gorilla away from my kid by any means necessary.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                From a person who has built zoo shelters, I would allowed the company to sue me if I built that shelter, child and idiot proof.

                That was a hell of a water ride that kid had, yet child was not harm. By Ape language and logic he was probably fingering mama saying screw you Mama for not watching your child. Now he is mine to play with for now.

                I have hugged and kiss monkeys and even been mugged for food by monkeys.  I was not harmed and from what I could see the child was not harmed. Zoo keeper do not know their job and the animals behavior.

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                  It's pretty cool that you are so knowledgeable about gorillas and zoos.  I presume you have had a lifetime of study devoted to the subject - far more than any zoo has had.

                  Still, you might read the work by Diane Fossey, who lived with the animals for years and reports that they can be quite unpredictable (as all animals are).  You might also check into immediate reactions of gorillas when shot with a tranquilizer drug - it is often not what you might think (unless you are a master biologist as well?).

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                    Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                    Maybe I am a master at biology being very intimate being in the forest on my own from age 5 to age 61. Working most of my waking  hours with natural materials like sand, snow, plants and wildlife all over the World. If it was my daughter in that Ape situation" yes I would become an instant expert.

                    I've physical handle chimps, hollow monkeys and spider monkeys. Apes I only know from working some closure construction with fake rocks and very curious with the ape handler's work. Ape were always throwing their sh*t at them, so they did'nt do right it neither.

                    This ape grew up in a Zoo and was human handled by people. The kid fell 15 feet, the ape was  very concerned. The people panic like crazy so the Ape thought he was dragging the boy to safety. The ape handled the boy gently the whole time otberwise. Like  he was handled when he was young.

                    Most people think the Ape should have not been killed, I agree and sense if I were in charge. The Ape and the boy would have lived.

  6. Aime F profile image83
    Aime Fposted 6 months ago

    Many, many experts who have commented on this situation disagree with you.  But okay.  You're saying you'd feel comfortable with your 4-year-old child in the hands of a gorilla for an extended period of time?

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      Better than him wondering around a zoo closures that dose not keep children safe from wild animals. He could have been worst, he could have walked into a lion or polar bear or Komodo dragon imprisonment..

      If the military experts says it was OK to kill over a million children over in the Middle East. Dose that make it logical, moral or ethical?.
      Their just do their job of protecting the monopoly guys money. I thought zoo's were there to educated people about animals.
      When we are still not advance enough animal,  only in killing other animals and their habitats.

      1. Aime F profile image83
        Aime Fposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        You're still not answering the question. 

        If your child wound up in a gorilla's arms would you be urging people to wait 5-10 minutes for a tranquilizer to kick in while not knowing how the gorilla was going to react (while holding your kid)? Would you risk your child's life to save the gorilla's?

        The situation should never have happened, it was multiple failures in multiple areas.  I wouldn't sue a zoo for having an enclosure penetrable by my child.  I KNOW that she could get into one if she really wanted to and so I make sure she understands how dangerous it is and I keep an eye on her at all times (and she stays in her stroller for much of it).  If you know your kid can't be trusted to keep away from the animals then don't take them to the zoo.  If you don't know if they can be trusted then keep them in a stroller or harness until you do.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

          Been to a zoo plenty of times with my daughter, she would not be able to excape me.

          Let say she did, with that Ape.

          1. I would tell the crowd I'm an expert and to shut up because the Ape I can see is upset with crowd noise.

          2. I would tell my daughter not to be afraid, he won't eat you. He is only curious about you. Talk to him sweetly.

          3. Tell the Zoo keeper to better have two guns ready, one being a high power rifleman Fire tranquilizer immediately when clear. Keep reminding the crowd to keep clam.

          4.  Throw a life saver down to my daughter who is not injured. Fire more tranquilizer at any apes that come closed to her with hopefully lower dosage. No animal like the pain from darts, I dislike needles myself.

          5. Sue the owner and construction animals builder's.  Would sue the Zoo keepers if they did not follow along or a good kick in the balls if they did not wise up.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

            Most dangerous things I have ever built for 35 years where millions of people ride on, is snow playgrounds. No one has ever been seriously hurt and it was more dangerous than the ape water ride. To know the dangers is to control the danger

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 6 months ago in reply to this

              Here.  Learn from someone that actually works in a zoo with gorillas:
              https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid … mp;theater

              To the untrained it all seems so simple; just trank him and save everyone, but life doesn't always work as we think it should.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                She said , pretty well what I said male Gorilla's are not child killer. I did sense Gorilla's are more gentle than chimps and other monkeys I've played with. Kinda like a big dog yet the little dog is more likely to bite you.

                She said watched the tape, the Ape was dragging the boy around like he dose with his toys. Yet tbe reaction from the noisy crowd made it more intense.

                She said if they use a tranquilizer he might drown the boy, yet from the tape I seen the child head was not under water long and he kept helping the boy up from the water. The boys body was not damage, amazing considering he fell 12' to 15 ft.

                I hang out with a lot wildlife trainers and keepers. Seen many animals tranquilized and always their reacting was to excape and weakly fight off being bagged or netted. The boy had a very low chance of being harm in that process. A plan B high power rifle as backup would make sure of any other kind of other reaction.

                The zoo keeper panic from the public panic of the situation. They did not detached themselves well enough to save both the boy and the Ape. They see the Ape as a dangerous Frankenstein's.

                I Look how American delt with Frankenstein in the Middle East, they just created even now greater dangerous Frankenstein's. Fear is about the unknowns, know your danger to control it, nobody has to die. A man in war 9 times out of 10 is murder in a Uniform. That boy had much better than 90% chance to survive and saved the Gorilla.

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                  She also said the ape was extremely agitated and extremely dangerous as well as that a trank can produce additional agitation and unpredictability.  Several key parts that you keep leaving out. 

                  Yes, amazing that the kid was not hurt, the way his head was banged around on the rocks.  Not from an ape intentionally causing harm, but just from being dragged by an animal that didn't realize how easily kids die.

                  And because other animals respond to a trank by immediately going to sleep means a gorilla will do the same in spite of multiple experts saying different.  While the experts, working with gorillas and zoos for years, say it is dangerous for the boy, you say different and it is therefore safe.  Sorry, but I don't swallow it; you are making the claim from insufficient experience with the animal involved.

                  Nor was there any sign at all that the zoo keeper panicked; that is your personal conclusion because they disagreed with your evaluation of zero danger.  Actually, it looks more like you are the one "detached"; detached from the reality of the situation and into what you want it to have been instead. 

                  But perhaps you don't understand; as the video stated, the real danger wasn't from a killer gorilla out to kill a kid, it was from an immensely strong animal dong what animals do when agitated.  Two very different things, but you keep focusing only on the first while ignoring the second.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                    PrettyPantherposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                    I'm a huge lover and protector of animals, but there really was no choice in this case.  A tranquilizer could have agitated the gorilla and caused death to the child. 

                    It is a sad, sad situation but zoo staff did the right thing.

                  2. Castlepaloma profile image23
                    Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                    When doctors and nurses deal with traumatized patience and must become detached in order to deal with the situation effectively and efficiently.

                    I seen millions of kids get dumped around on my snow playgrounds and from what observed the kid was not knocked around much more  with the cushions of water. The Ape seem aware of what he was doing even though he was igitated. I get initiated all the time from my little brats breaking the rules all the time. Playgrounds is the second most dangerous recreational sport next to bicycling on the street.

                  3. Aime F profile image83
                    Aime Fposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                    Yes, so much this. 

                    I don't think the gorilla would have purposely killed the kid but a child in the hands of an animal that strong is so, so fragile.

  7. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 6 months ago

    It would have been so interesting to observe what the gorilla would have done with the child, but alas, a human child is a higher species as far as consciousness, potential and spiritual evolution, (I mean, an ape cannot talk.) The risk was too great.
    But, I really wish we could have observed what he would have done. It would have been the mother's human horror, (understatement,) however, and everyone else's ... if the ape had decided it was just a human intruder and must be torn up. I wonder if he would have treated it as though it were a gorilla baby? (If people were not screaming and acting hysterical, frightening the poor gorilla.)

    Are male gorillas gentle with their own babies?

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      Unlike male bears who will eat 1/2 their young due territory and wanting to remate with the female.

      Male Gorilla's are far more social and will take care of orphans if lost or separate.

      In my opinions Human's are not superior. They are dangerious bullies and have done more harm to the earth and creature than good. Human have a diverse brain, eyes and thumbs. I could give you a very long list of many animals that are superior in survival history, physical abilities and loving. Killing that Ape was not an act of love or healthy knowledge in humanity or for the animal kingdom.

      That's no new news since man has killed most animals on the planet since I was young. Most people act kindly towards not killing the ape. Mainly because apes look like us and are 99% biologiically the same.

      Biggest difference is we don't provide lawyers or honest justice systems for other creature or environment to understand anything with our brains. We barely understand kindness for humans.

    2. colorfulone profile image88
      colorfuloneposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      Gorillas are known as "gentle giants".  They, and elephants are my top favorite animals to observe in the wild.  My heart hurts for the animals I see in a zoo because they don't belong caged up to make people money. 

      Children are our greatest resource though.  That giant gorilla could have killed that little kiddo with a flick of its finger in a split second. I read that an adult male silverback has the strength of 10 men.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        Never played with apes, yet have played with elephant's and they are the real kings of the jungle and stronger than them all. Yet very aware and Coordinational with their bodies I order to not harm humans. Imagine apes to be the same when handled correctly.

        1. colorfulone profile image88
          colorfuloneposted 6 months ago in reply to this

          It would be a dream come true to be able to spend a large amount of time with apes and elephants getting to know them and become trusted friends, but there I go dreaming again.   It has to be an ultimate human experience to have with those wild animals.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

            If you watch Koko, this 300 pound ape on how she communicates. You would think she is having a conversation with 4 year old in sign language. Sometimes she express how her apes think.

            1. colorfulone profile image88
              colorfuloneposted 6 months ago in reply to this

              Awe, I love Koko!  I need to get updated on how she is doing.  She is smart.

  8. ahorseback profile image45
    ahorsebackposted 6 months ago

    As human beings , normal ones , watching the video alone  would have probably shown the result of a  drowned kid  !  Humans are also not the only living thing  to kill , murder , rape or  hate.    But leave it to humans to humanized animal behavior to OUR standards , for the benefit of  emotional attachment .   A zoo ! An  Animals spiritual demise  behind bars for your viewing pleasure !

    That - says it all for me .

  9. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 6 months ago

    Parents should NEVER let their kids in any body of water such as lake, pond, ocean or pool without their swimming suits on.   
    Kids need to know:

                            No SUIT, No SWIM!

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      I've swam with wild sharks, crocodiles, snakes, killer whales and would not be afraid to play with that Ape because he would be the least dangerous of the bunch.

      He is just another  Frankenstein's people over panic over.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        Did anyone notice that was a black child?

        Why is it mostly the parents fault?

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
          Kathryn L Hillposted 6 months ago in reply to this

          Yes, (race irrelevant) they did not establish the boundary: "No Suit, No Swim"! It can happen to any parent whose child has been introduced to the water, learned to enjoy it, and then sees a body of water he wants to swim in. The child said he wanted to swim in the "pool!" Its really a lesson for all parents. If the mother said "No!" why did he not listen?

          "No!" must mean No! Stand behind your "no's" or the child will not think you mean it.

          Pass it on.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

            Parents are not aware of all the dangers.

            For ample. I took over snow playgrounds across most of Canada. Because I guarantee safety checks and models of every playgrounds like clockwork. Every company before had seriously incidents and I had none in 35 years.

            I throw myself over every wall and rode every slide several times a day, ask people what do they see as a possible danger.

            I see many flaws in this animal shelter and polities. Plan B talk and buy your way out.

            I have seen wild animal safari's done well, good for the animals and safe for all.

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    ahorsebackposted 6 months ago

    Because in almost  every popular issue today the one most  lacking ingredient  in the situation is -personal accountability ,      There is a very  prevalent No-Fault  culture of any responsibility for any situation today .  Crime , drugs , murder , child abuse , gender abuse , animal abuse , rape , name the situation Castlepaloma , and I will show you the excuse ,

    "Oh , its not his [her fault }  insert excuse here ,.............................................!

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      It is the father's fault because he has a criminal background.
      Even though he was not at the Zoo.

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        ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        This is becoming  more and more the best example of  the new American parent ?

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          Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

          Kids do excape their parents from time to time.  They are only a small part to blame.

          From being in the Arts and amuse business most of my life.  I see the blame game over high sake insurance liability all the time.

          A human costs more money than an ape in liability. Yet no ape has killed a human in captivity that is the misunderstanding. They still have not convinced most of the people who think it was wrong to kill the Ape.

          Their Money talks louder and their BS walks in a whitewash again. Race may come into this too.

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            ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

            Race , because the parents are black , you mean ?   You are right about the liability ,  Americans  want to be perfectly entertained  and when nature happens  , it's ALWAYS someone else's fault ,   have you listened to the cowardly mother ?

            "Mommy's right here honey ......Oh , I can't watch this "

            If there  was real universal justice she would have fallen in !

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              colorfuloneposted 6 months ago in reply to this

              Do you think its likely that she he will file a law suit against the zoo and be awarded a million dollars? Oh, I could see attorneys lining up for the pay day!

              1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                In a kangaroo court.

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                  colorfuloneposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                  You are in tune!  The planets are aligning.

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          Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

          It was funny how he pulled up the pants of the kid.
          Like a American model of parenting like horse said.

          The ape was physically handled a lot as a young ape in Texas before transported to Ohio.

          Did you know human have as many hair pours as apes do. Plus blood type similar.

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            wildernessposted 6 months ago in reply to this

            "Did you know human have as many hair pours as apes do. Plus blood type similar."

            Not surprising; we are but one of the 4 "great apes" (hominids).  We should be, and are, quite similar.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image23
              Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

              It deeply concerns me to see our largest animals die off the fastest.

              Never could imagine 90% of big fish in the oceans would of died off within 50 years.

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                colorfuloneposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                The lose of sea life is mostly due to the military, the Navy is always testing things to the limit and doesn't care about the destruction.

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    colorfuloneposted 6 months ago

    I like this meme.  Harambe speaks out!

    http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13044125.jpg

    "I hope there will be an open season on pedophiles."

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      Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      Animal don't have sex with their young, like we do. They call us advanced apes.

      Some kinds of animal may eat their young, maybe some need to be eaten.

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    ahorsebackposted 6 months ago

    Watched a recent documentary of the newest  world wide mapping of the undersea world of mountains etc.  ,  It is the large scale  sonar pulses that are driving whales  and many other  deep sea species of sea life to beach themselves or become totally disoriented , for one !    This is, in part ,  a new phase of mineral and resource exploration and is also  internationally sanctioned !

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      A bigger concern is when they do not find any big sea creatures beached up in areas.  Meaning nothing or very little big is living in sea.

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    ahorsebackposted 6 months ago

    Today a judge will determine if the parents of this child will be charged with a negligence crime , I say why the hell shouldn't they be charged with child abuse and  animal  abuse !

    1. Castlepaloma profile image23
      Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      Negligent of child supervision for sure. They  probably are a poor black family by going by the Dad's criminal background.

      I hold the Zoo responsible for the death of the Ape, they should have known better. They spend millions on those enclosure too.

      Can imagine this family dose not have $100,000. to pay for a dead ape. Probably some child service work, since media watching every step.

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    ahorsebackposted 6 months ago

    Well the judge announced today he will not charge   the parents with child endangerment ,  Guess he's a moron too !

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      Live to Learnposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      Where's the Queen of Hearts when we need her? Eh?

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        ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        Must be the judge is liberal as well as the parents ...........:-}

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

          Did the rich Zoo get off Scott free, too?

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

            Maybe some kind of no fault insurance.

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              Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

              The bigger loser are the other Gorilla's.

              Given sad thought's yet no honest way to protect their sweet existence.

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                colorfuloneposted 6 months ago in reply to this

                That is a good point. I'm sure the other Gorillas will miss their friend.  Animals do morn.

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    ahorsebackposted 6 months ago

    I don't believe that humans have treated any of the animal world with all due respect ? Elephants mourn  as I'm sure the Gorilla's do .   What animal  have we NOT mistreated in America ?

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      Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

      I heard a woman say. The more I get to know men the more I love my dog. Maybe he is worst than the other dog. Dogs and Cats are over all treated well.

      Livestock treated worst, and wildlife shrinking fastest.

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        ahorsebackposted 6 months ago in reply to this

        Castle , I was thinking just yesterday , I seriously love my dogs more than most people ,  They are dedicated ,  loyal , friendly ,  and more predictable than humanity .   I can't stand people who are mean to animals  , I would easily be the hangman for animal or child abusers !

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          Castlepalomaposted 6 months ago in reply to this

          Real prison time and environment lawyers would be nice start.

 
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