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Orlando massacre by supporter of Radical Islam .

  1. ahorseback profile image46
    ahorsebackposted 5 months ago

    In the same day  of the Orlando Fl.  massacre   AND   before the bodies are even cleared from the  crime scene  ,  our  leader Pres. Barrack Obama  calls out the  perpetrators  of this terrorist attack  with much strength  ,  character and true leadership ,
    He  blames that radical American gun owner .

    1. Ken Burgess profile image80
      Ken Burgessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      He was allowed to purchase firearms AND pass a background check allowing him to become a Security Guard, even though he was interviewed three times by the FBI in 2013 and 2014 following separate reports of extremist behavior and connections to terrorism, and having relations with known terrorists that had traveled back and forth from Afghanistan and Syria to America.
      These are the facts, make of them what you want.

      1. ahorseback profile image46
        ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        Finally in and because of  election year politics - President Obama  , Calls it an act of terrorism ,
        I'm impressed .

        This man , in spite of being investigated by the FBI- 3 times , was able to purchase  3 firearms !
        Doe's anyone see the missed connections  with  FBI background checks and politics ?
        In other words , If we allow gun violence , we can then  project the direction of the  anti gun debate ?
        Don't think it cannot happen .

        1. GA Anderson profile image86
          GA Andersonposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          I have heard that candidate Trump has a Minority Report-style program ready to roll out in his first 100 days. That should take care of those "missed connections."

          GA

      2. promisem profile image94
        promisemposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        There were no missed connections. A mentally unstable man was allowed to buy an assault rifle and murder 49 people because the NRA destroys any politician who favors background checks or bans on assault rifles.

    2. psycheskinner profile image80
      psycheskinnerposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Um, a radical American gun owner was 100% responsible. Police spoke to him at the scene before he was killed, there was no mystery as to who did this, how, or why.

      1. ahorseback profile image46
        ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        You are an idiot to speak this profound  blasphemy !   He is a stated terrorist  supporting Islam !

        1. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          He was an American citizen born in New York.  He was also a licensed security officer.

          He also qualifies as "radical" by virtue of his actions.  That makes him a radical American gun owner.  Facts.

          1. mrpopo profile image88
            mrpopoposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            Yes, he was also a radical iPhone user, a radical watch-wearer, a radical myopic, a radical owner of a Facebook account.

            I shouldn't have to explain to you why those 'facts' do not explain why he targeted gays while praising ISIS and shouting Allahu Akbar.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image85
              PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              Yes, his iPhone, watch, and glasses were as relevant to his actions as the guns he used to massacre or injure over 100 people. roll

              1. mrpopo profile image88
                mrpopoposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                You seem to be missing the point. Again, did his guns or his nationality radicalize him?

                1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                  PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                  I never said his guns radicalized him. No one did.

          2. IslandBites profile image85
            IslandBitesposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            They dislike facts. They ignore facts.

        2. colorfulone profile image89
          colorfuloneposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          Omar Mateen was a registered Democrat since 2006.  Psychoticism and neuroticism is higher in liberals than conservatives according to scientific studies.   

          Guns don't kill people, people do!  No gun has ever been convicted of a crime. Guns are not the problem, Islam is the problem. 

          Omar was a Muslim, and spoke of killing gays for years. It says in the Quran to kill gays (stone them).  The original certified Islamic Qurans are very violent and say to kill infidels (anyone who does not believe in Islam.

          1. ahorseback profile image46
            ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            The underlying  facts of this entire case are so politically  and P.C. revealing agenda  !   The perpetrator  was a long standing  , Family Supported Terrorist !   What is the matter with extreme liberal stupidity  ,it just baffles me !
            I almost can't wait until America awakens to its pre-destined reality !   An internally  or externally driven nationalistically   supported civil war , one where we return to a pro-nationalist American belief .  The facts of this entire case  were entirely preventable !   Entirely !

            1. colorfulone profile image89
              colorfuloneposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              Omar Mateen worked for G4S, formerly known as Wackenhut, currently the largest security firm in the world. His employer serves as a front for the CIA. 

              Funny how the liberal media avoids certain important details. 
              http://www.infowars.com/omar-mateen-wac … d-the-cia/

          2. jonnycomelately profile image86
            jonnycomelatelyposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            ah!  So know we are much the wiser!   It's now political motivation that allows a man to stand over his intended victims, laugh at their fear and pleading, then shoot them dead. 

            Have you ever wondered about the origins of his "radicalization?"  It was sick leaders of religion who helped him on his mission to destroy people whom he disliked.   Whatever the particular religion of those leaders, they must be held to account for their dogmatic and stubborn judgments of gay people.   They push their evil agendas on weak-minded individuals and cause them to aim for martyrdom. 

            Then we must face the fact this young man, and apparently his partner, sought out a group of people they judged guilty and condemned them to death.  THIS is psychopathic illness.  No "normal" person would do such a crime.  So, that murderer is better out of the way.   No sympathy for him.  ALL our sympathy must be directed to the persons who survived the massacre and the families/friends/loved ones of those who lost their lives.  For they will have to live with their memories for the remainder of their lives...together with the pain and anguish they will find it so difficult to overcome.

            Whether you are Christian, Muslim, or whatever background, please, please extend your unconditional love to them and try to help them through the grieving in what ever way you can.

            They are the people who matter most now.

            1. ahorseback profile image46
              ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              Awesome response Johnny ,  and that is true pretty much in any case .     It does prove only one thing , that you cannot have the totally free mixing of cultures without  problems  , like  some of the beliefs of Islam  , the Koran  , the bible and Christianity ,   And now ,  I see that Google is being accused of  stacking  search  results , politically deciding that favoring one party over another is the way to  build a honest library of search results ?    I tell people all the time that  statistics are important ,   that  truth is paramount .

            2. mrpopo profile image88
              mrpopoposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              "ah!  So know we are much the wiser!   It's now political motivation that allows a man to stand over his intended victims, laugh at their fear and pleading, then shoot them dead. "

              Media and pundits have been constantly doing this by claiming that the right wing and Donald Trump are responsible for such attacks. If I wanted to disprove such silly accusations I'd point out that Mateen voted Democrat.

              "No sympathy for him"

              I don't have sympathy for his actions, but I do have sympathy for his condition. There are many who struggle with their beliefs and their sexual orientation. They have a choice of escaping their beliefs or burying their sexuality. The former can shatter ties with family, friends and their community, and is dangerous in the Islamic world. The latter amounts to suffering from repression, which can lead to suicide.

              Mateen attempted to bury his sexuality with martyrdom. It's inexcusable, but we can still sympathize with his condition, and we must if we want to understand how internalized homophobia comes about in the Islamic world, and help those afflicted before they hurt themselves or others.

      2. mrpopo profile image88
        mrpopoposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        It's a wonderful choice of descriptors. It was "radical Americanism" and/or "radical gun ownerism" that was 100% responsible for the massacre.

        Not radical Islamism though. Funny how that works.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          He was a radical American gun owner.  He also hated gays and was a Muslim.  All facts.  No one said radical gun ownerism was 100% responsible for the massacre.  Stop twisting.

          1. mrpopo profile image88
            mrpopoposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            Both Obama and the person I responded to omitted the most explanatory descriptor for his motivations and you accuse me of twisting? Incredible.

            It's simple, he was not radicalized because he was an American nor because he owned a gun.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image85
              PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              She wanted to set the facts straight. I'm sorry the facts offend you, but they are relevant.

              1. mrpopo profile image88
                mrpopoposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                What offends me is your suggestion that intentionally omitting his religious motivations amounts to "setting the facts straight."

                1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                  PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                  Sigh. No one stated anything that isn't true. No one said his religion had nothing to do with his actions. You're getting your panties in a wad over words that happen to be true.

                  1. mrpopo profile image88
                    mrpopoposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                    Clearly you don't understand the concept of lying by omission. I have not been challenging the veracity of these statements, I am challenging their relevance to the killers' motivations and why the one thing that actually explains his motivations is missing.

          2. promisem profile image94
            promisemposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            Anyone who owns an assault rifle is a radical gun owner. Anyone who fights laws to protect Americans from assault rifles is a radical gun owner. Anyone who is a paying member of the NRA is a radical gun owner.

    3. Credence2 profile image85
      Credence2posted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Funny, this man was found to have been frequenting this bar several times a month over the last 2-3 years, is this really ISIS or Al Quida?

      http://finance.yahoo.com/news/report-or … 20444.html

      He sounds a lot more like some troubled gay person, who lost it. It is looking less and less like terrorism and more like a extreme response to failed social interaction within his homosexual circle.

      How much sense does it make for someone who despises homosexuality to continue to frequent their hangouts?

      I will disappoint the rightwinger who is looking for some sinister terrorist link to all this when I don't see this guy fitting the pattern.

      He is just another nut, like the guy that did the theatre in Colorado back in 2012, who is just about as ideologically driven as Bugs Bunny.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        Tragic. A tortured soul with a rapid fire killing machine. This sad story is too comminplace.

      2. ahorseback profile image46
        ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        Ya !  Because everybody knows  angry , gay ,  Muslim , mass shooters come from the  gun toting right-winger  class of patriots  ,      Right !    I have an idea for liberals ,  lets let a few more criminals out of jails , lets let a few more  mosques into your neighborhoods ,  let's  let your leaders create a few more law enforcement  departments and fill  them up with  the organized  unions , hey , how about if we  create one  more bathroom  for  the  angry , Islamic ,  gun toting  gay ,  security cops . But lets not stop there , lets let Obama  elect a few hundred more liberal activist judges ,   you know  ? Those that close prisons ,   plea bargain crimes ,   release  more violent criminals to the streets ,  and generally allow this type of mayhem  to spread .   Works every time !

        1. Credence2 profile image85
          Credence2posted 5 months ago in reply to this

          You're de-evolving now into a stance of total hysteria. Saner minds must prevail, unfortunately, there are not many of those on the reactionary Right...

          1. ahorseback profile image46
            ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            While on the left  - its the usual La- la  land mentality !     Right another bill in legislature , create another gun law ,  maybe  invent another bathroom policy , elect one more liberal judge  AND  stand back ,watch the results , and cry  when nothing changes !

    4. promisem profile image94
      promisemposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      The NRA and the love of its members for assault rifles -- which used to be illegal -- are much more to blame for the massacre than a man who was known to be mentally unstable.

  2. IslandBites profile image85
    IslandBitesposted 5 months ago

    Some people are as hateful as the religious extremists. Just shut up your racist and xenophobic mouths at least for a couple of days. Respect the grieving families.

    We all should learn from this great man.

    Cesar Flores is heartbroken that his 26-year-old daughter was killed.

    "I forgive the boy because I cannot take that hate in my life. My life is more important than hate. ... It hurts so much," Flores said.
    "We must all come together, we must all be at peace, we must all love each other, because this hatred cannot continue for the rest of our lives."

    1. mrpopo profile image88
      mrpopoposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      The criticizing a religion = racism and xenophobic comments never gets old.

      Every day there are casualties of religious violence, every day there will be grieving families. If we are to grieve for days at a time every time there is a tragic event before we can have an honest discussion, we'd be grieving endlessly. In any case, it's already been a couple of days, so I'm not sure what you're complaining about.

      As commendable as that man is for finding forgiveness in his heart, forgiveness does not address the problem and will not prevent future attacks.

    2. promisem profile image94
      promisemposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Well said.

  3. ahorseback profile image46
    ahorsebackposted 5 months ago

    You ALL have to understand ,   the first place extreme liberals come from in any  debate  is the "no - fault "  mentality for a crime , " no responsibility" in  prosecution and "no blame" in the outcome of the trial for punishment .      If you ever served on a jury , you'll notice liberal jurors  are always for not guilty , there is no changing their minds.

    That is until  they or those close to them become victims .  Watch these extreme liberal's kids experience victimhood and they will turn into  pit bulls.

    There is just so much hypocrisy on the left .

  4. IslandBites profile image85
    IslandBitesposted 5 months ago

    Brian, brother of Amanda Alvear (Orlando shooting victim)

    "I've seen on social networks many hate messages towards that person (Mateen)... I will not mention his name because I do not want to remember him, I do not want him to exist in our lives ... but hate is not right. He was sick. He had contempt for LGBTT people and needed help and no one helped him. We can not judge his family, his religion or culture. I want this tragedy to help us to unite as Latinos, as family so we can share the message of  love toward gay people, " he said, expressing that his sister was heterosexual, but really enjoyed the company of her LGBTT  friends and believed in defending their rights.

  5. ahorseback profile image46
    ahorsebackposted 5 months ago

    I guess I'm a radical gas can owner , I have several of them .


    http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13059783.png

    1. promisem profile image94
      promisemposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      I'm not aware of mass murders being done by someone with gas cans.

      I am aware of mass murders being done with assault rifles.

      1. mrpopo profile image88
        mrpopoposted 5 months ago in reply to this
        1. promisem profile image94
          promisemposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          Wow. Reaching back to 1959? Really?

          1. mrpopo profile image88
            mrpopoposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            For a journalist, your lack of reading comprehension is astounding. 1959 Southern Boulevard is an address. Read just a few words further and you'll reach the date.

            1. promisem profile image94
              promisemposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              Yes, I am imperfect like most people. I don't reach the level of perfection like you. So 1990 is much better than 1959.

              It doesn't change the fact that mass murders with gas cans doesn't come close to right-wing extremists and their obsession with assault rifles.

              1. mrpopo profile image88
                mrpopoposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                You're right. I apologize for the snark.

                Not sure why you're comparing mass murderers (of any kind) to people with a gun obsession. Are people with gun obsessions committing murders?

                1. promisem profile image94
                  promisemposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                  Thanks for the gracious response, mrpopo.

                  I'm mainly concerned with the mass murders being committed by people who have assault rifles despite reports about their mental instability and other concerns.

                  Do you think the blame lies with access to assault rifles or weak background checks?

                  1. mrpopo profile image88
                    mrpopoposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                    Likewise, thank you for being gracious in kind.

                    I would not blame this case on background checks or ease of access to rifles. He was a security guard and passed several comprehensive background checks to obtain his licenses.

                    The FBI investigated him twice, both times due to suspicion of affiliation with Islamic terrorist groups or religious radicalization, and found insufficient evidence to do anything about it. During the investigation periods (in 2013 and 2014) the FBI would have been flagged had he purchased weapons.

                    When asked if anything could have or should have been done differently in regard to Mateen and the FBI's intelligence and actions in relation to him, FBI director James Comey replied, "So far, the honest answer is, I don't think so."

                  2. ahorseback profile image46
                    ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                    Are you people serious ?   
                    http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13060938.jpg

                    Want to know what's wrong in America today ?  This  picture best describes America today !  No one wants to punish the perps anymore ,  America's entitlement society  can't stand to  investigate , prosecute or punish anyone for anything  including terrorism ?  A man planning a terrorist attack , broadcasting it for years , while the FBI watches from the legal shadows ?   They can't put him on a list , they can't ask him too many questions ,they can't  investigate him , OR those around him who have not only enabled and participated in his plans ,but  knew about them ? Co -workers , neighbors , family ? Nobody !

                    But extreme liberal twits will blame an inanimate object for  years , every single time that this happens in America  , liberals wring their collective hands , "Oh , my ! What can we do ? maybe one more law will help" ?   Let's blame the gun owner , that always works , pitiful !

  6. PhoenixV profile image81
    PhoenixVposted 5 months ago

    I think it May be complex, but I dont think its radical islam or a  hate crime. I think a gay guy went beserk and went to his favorite gay bar an shot everyone , just like kids do at school, because they dont fit in. But the pc World is spinning it because the truth aint pc.

    1. Credence2 profile image85
      Credence2posted 5 months ago in reply to this

      I am with you, Phoenix...

  7. PhoenixV profile image81
    PhoenixVposted 5 months ago

    I'm curious as to what Omar's dad does for a living. Cab driver, Store clerk, President of Afghanistan?

 
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