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Are right-wing extremists destroying America?

  1. promisem profile image94
    promisemposted 5 months ago

    Well, yes. The answer is obvious.

    1) They oppose background checks and other gun laws so mentally unstable people can buy assault rifles and commit mass murders like in Orlando and Connecticut.

    2) They favor multi trillion dollar wars chasing weapons of mass destruction that don't exist instead of spending the money on schools, roads and bridges. It doesn't matter if thousands of young American soldiers die for nothing.

    3) They strip away financial regulations that lead to a massive economic downturn and nearly to a world-wide economic collapse. The CEOs who triggered the collapse get away without a scratch thanks to their massive campaign contributions and the likes of Citizens United.

    4) They vehemently hate the president who led us out of the Great Recession. They hate him because he is a "Muslim", "Communist", "foreign-born radical trying to corrupt America", blah, blah, blah.

    5) They vehemently hate all media except for Fox News, which is the worst propaganda machine and hate spreader this country has seen in decades. They would love nothing better than to shut down every media outlet except their own.

    6) They have armed themselves to the teeth and use threats and intimidation to get their way with politicians, such as the annual, heavily armed visit to Virginia politicans by the Virginia Citizens Defense League.

    7) They think global warming is a hoax because Fox News told them it was a hoax and despite worldwide proof that it exists.

    8) They don't mind that the Koch brothers are spending more than $800 million to buy this election, destroy democracy and replace it with an oligarchy of Libertarian multibillionaires who control everything.

    9) They blindly follow a mentally unstable Donald Trump, who is using all of the same tactics as many other divisive dictators throughout history.

    People, do you really want a country controlled by a minority that is heavily armed, enormously wealthy and completely hostile to everything in the Constitution except for the 2nd Amendment?

    1. Credence2 profile image85
      Credence2posted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Do, I offer you a Pulitzer?

      1. Yes, guns to be easier to get than my Big Mac, but yet they blame the natural outcome of carnage of Obama?

      2. The paranoid, martial attitude of the Right, who mired in 20th century thinking, speak softly and carry a big stick. In the progress of nations' in the 21st century, to be great takes more than just 'big sticks'

      3. Yes, right, get rid of the referees so that the cheaters are free to operate with impunity and without the possiblility of ever being held accountable for their actions.

      4. While the President was digging us out of the pile of excrement that they turned the economy into, they did everything they could to ruin the President's implements to do the job. They all seem to conveniently forget that Bin Laden was taken out during Obama's watch. Funny, how he receives no credit for it.

      5. Even worse is the trash journalism known as 'infowars and WND'.

      6. This stuff makes me nervous, the rightwinger is intrinsically authoritarian and anti-democratic. How many more defeats as the outcome of the natural political process would they tolerate before going to 'bullets over ballots'?

      7. It is only the Rightwinger that denies evidence from 99 climate scientists, and says that the one from Sarah Palin or Ann Coulter has nailed it.

      8. The Right has always known that they could never institute their objectives under the current democratic system. The achilles heel in their plan is that people have the right to vote, so they must sabotage this. This will allow their idea of 'buying elections' to have more success.

      9. Donald Trump is the reflection of a dying electorate, a prancing clown that would have been taken less seriously than even a Pat Paulsen for President a generation or two ago.

      Nice to see you back in great form.....

      1. promisem profile image94
        promisemposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        LOL. Likewise, Credence. I get fed up, go away for a while and come back for a battle. I'm always delighted to bounce ideas with you.

        But I'm still right of center despite my tirade.

        1. Credence2 profile image85
          Credence2posted 5 months ago in reply to this

          Likewise, can we really discuss in detail how you walk the tightrope suspended between the left and the right? How do you stay in the middle, who advocates for you, politically?

    2. ahorseback profile image46
      ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Keep drinking that cool-aid ,  Its working out fine for you isn't it !  I kinda like the one ..................".They hate all media except Fox news "?
      That one line answers it all , for a real thinker that is , Why ?
      Because all  the news is slanted hard left --  Except Fox ? Think about that one line . You just admitted it  is !

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        Hxprofposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        Fox News does seem to tilt conservative, but there's a lot they simply don't report, just like the other cable networks.  None of them are worth much.

      2. promisem profile image94
        promisemposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        Ahorseback, please provide proof from a credible source that any of my statements are wrong.

    3. Onusonus profile image86
      Onusonusposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      I'm sure it has nothing to do with left wing extremists who allow terrorists to come unchecked and unfiltered into this country, along with countless other illegals who have no intention of assimilating into our society only to benefit off of a welfare system which they have no intention of paying into.

      Or the left wing extremists who have had control over the last 50 years of cities like Chicago, Detroit, and Flint that are awash in corruption, poverty, and gang violence.

      Or the liberal extremists who tripled down on the nations debt to the point that our children's children's children will be picking up the tab.

      Or the liberal extremists who implemented every failed socialist program that has sucked the life out of every working class American since the great depression.

      Or the liberal extremists at college campuses who violently shut down any kind of speech which does not align with their own preconceived moral agenda.

      Or the liberal extremists who are systematically dismantling the the first amendment of the United States Constitution piece by piece, starting with the abridgment of free speech, and ending with their relentless efforts to suppress religious activities, and dismantle historical religious monuments from the public arena. (except for the freedoms of Islamic's for whatever reason)

      1. promisem profile image94
        promisemposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        Onusonus, do you believe liberal extremists are preventing the FBI and CIA from doing their jobs?

        Do you believe liberal extremists are responsible for a massive federal debt that skyrocketed in response to collapsing federal tax revenues during the Great Recession, multi trillion dollar wars and massive tax cuts that favor the rich?

        Please identify the major failed socialist programs.

        Please provide examples of liberal extremists who are dismantiling the 1st Amendment.

        1. Ken Burgess profile image81
          Ken Burgessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          The Obama Admin, and by extension the State Dept, are and always have been preventing the FBI, ATF, Military, etc. from doing their jobs.

          There was more than one FBI investigation into Omar Mateen, the investigations were shut down under pressure from the State Dept. and DHS’s Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Office because essentially during Obama's Administration Muslims have been given a wide range of protection.

          According to recently retired DHS agent Philip Haney:  “The FBI had opened cases twice on him, and yet they found no[thing that qualified as strong enough] evidence to charge him; it means they didn’t go through the same basic, analytical process that I went through over a three or four hour period in which I was able to link the mosque to my previous cases,” he told WND on Sunday.

          In other words, the FBI couldn't stop Mateen because it was ordered to back off its investigation into his mosque, and him.

          Just the other day, once more someone with knowledge of the terrorist threats here and abroad of authority came forward and spoke out.  C-I-A Director John Brennan contradicted President Obama, and declared the threat of the Islamic State is not lessened, and our nation is not more secure. It doesn't fit the narrative that is being pumped out by the Administration, a narrative that has nothing in common with reality.

        2. Onusonus profile image86
          Onusonusposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          Interesting, now consider the fact that our benevolent Liberal Democrat commander in chief is asking that we allow people from war torn countries who hold dearly to the idea that their violence is justified through the dictates of their holy book (particularly against gay people) to come into this country unvetted, while simultaneously railing on at the idea that this country has a gun problem.
          Solution: disarm law abiding citizens.
          Makes perfect sense to me when you think about it. Obama has a romanticized idea about the Muslim faith, as he was raised as one. But forgets about what happens when they become the majority in a given country. Particularly when it comes to introducing them to a pluralistic society.
          Hmmmm, more mass shootings? More terror attacks? Solution: Destroy Hillary's email server.

          1. colorfulone profile image87
            colorfuloneposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            Crooked Hillary Clinton wants a 550% increase of these refugees into the US, over what Imama Obama is allowing. 

            The LGBT community is liking Donald Trump more, and more. He wants a temporary ban on Muslims until they can be properly vetted.  There are about 10 Muslim countries that believe its an act of compassion to kill gays, that includes moderate Muslims. It is in their Quran and it is accepted as a matter of fact because that is their religious legalistic cult's law.

            Who is going to be a better president and protect Americans.

            1. Onusonus profile image86
              Onusonusposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              Obama wants ten thousand Syrian refugees to be let into our country by September. Thousands of people coming in from a war torn country who share absolutely none of our values, and are taught from birth that they will get to heaven by killing infidels. What could possibly go wrong?

    4. Ken Burgess profile image81
      Ken Burgessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Here are some thoughts to ponder.

      Our wonderful government just authorized 1.1 TRILLION dollars to bring in 300,000 Syrian refugees... in ONE year.

      1.1 TRILLION dollars... to bring in 300,000 people who have no work here... a nation with about 100 million people already out of work.  I suspect they are going to cost us more, and more than one of those 300,000 will go full blown terrorist on innocent Americans.

      When Obama had the chance to intercede for those refugees, years ago, and oppose the efforts to massacre them, and oppose ISIS, he did nothing.

      So... I guess its a matter of perspective, you can spend a Trillion dollars destroying those committing mass atrocities of evil that would have made the Nazi regime proud.... or you can spend over a Trillion dollars on a yearly basis trying to aid the victims that survive, as the violence and evil spreads like a cancer further and further out.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        Um, you might want to check your facts. The 1.1 trillion dollars is for the entire spending bill to which the refugee program is attached.

        1. Ken Burgess profile image81
          Ken Burgessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          Probably, lets see, 300,000 divided by 3 for an average of a family/unit, housing/food/welfare/health @ 100k per unit = $10,000,000,000 a year, easy, cost to taxpayers per year... for many years to come.

          That is the cost for those 300k, not including those already brought in, or to be brought in, in future years (Hillary has already said she want to bring in more, I think I saw 650k was her goal somewhere).

          Anyways, 10 Billion is a far cry from 1.1 Trillion.  But long term it will add up quick, especially if they continue to add to those numbers. Like we don't have enough crossing over from Mexico as it is.

      2. promisem profile image94
        promisemposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        Ken, I don't know how much the government is spending to bring them here, but I don't like it either if it undermines the economy.

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      retief2000posted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Your first point is firmly rooted in a lie. Why proceed?
      The Orlando terrorist passed multiple background checks, including scrutiny by the FBI. Hardly haphazard.
      The Newtown killer murdered his mother for her legally owned firearms.Connecticut at the time had strict gun laws, background checks and Gun registration.

      These are just the beginning. If you want more,  there are ample examples of shooters who either passed multiple security and background checks.

      How foolish to think that law is a  deterrentto a determined criminal. If that were so we would already live in paradise.

  2. colorfulone profile image87
    colorfuloneposted 5 months ago

    Do I remember you saying you are Republican, promisem?
    Why did you decide to come out of the closet...   wink 

    It is the blind mentally unstable that think Donald Trump is using any kind of tactics.  He is an outsider, not a corrupt politician.  The things that are wrong today and in the past have nothing to do with Trump.  This isn't about Trump at all...but that's how liberals-roll.  Wow!  This is crazy!

    Neuroticism and Psychoticism (birds of a feather)
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 … decade.php

    BTW, I'm a Libertarian.

    Liberals cannot seem to realize that Democrats have been in power for almost the past 8 years, and nothing changes except to get worse.  (Hey, there are conservatives who cannot see it.)

    Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama...same policies! 
    It is status quo!  Insane to want more of the same.

    1. promisem profile image94
      promisemposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Colorful One, it's obvious you are a Libertarian. And yes, I am still right of center in my political beliefs.

      The fact that I'm not a right-wing extremist doesn't make me a liberal. It simply makes me not a right-wing extremist.

  3. Jim Traveler profile image65
    Jim Travelerposted 5 months ago

    When US have a problem, the whole world is in trouble. It is very interesting that, while in the US, a tragedy like in Orlando happens, the NATO, which is the greatest alliance ever created by the US, get army near the Russian borders. I find it strange for the danger coming from Russia is not about a classic war or massive war, but about a hybrid war, which means propaganda, political corruption, even green men armed, terrorists. There something not right here, unless Russia pays the bill for all this attacks, even in the middle East or in Europe and now in Orlando. If this is true, then we have a problem and Trump might be the ultimate Russian army against Russian Federation end with Putin.

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      Hxprofposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      What?

      1. Jim Traveler profile image65
        Jim Travelerposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        Well, it is just a theory...

  4. PrettyPanther profile image86
    PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago

    Yes, just look at them here in these forums. They're a scary bunch.  Makes me sad for our country.

    On the other hand, there are some good conservatives out there who are finally waking up to realize they sat on their butts too long while their party was hijacked by obstructionists, religious weirdos, and racists, culminating in the only manner it could:  an openly racist, lying, authoritarian bully for a presidential candidate, Donald Trump.

    We must work hard to keep that dangerous psycho out of the White House.

    1. ahorseback profile image46
      ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Yea I know , why don't you  bring in Honest Katie Couric  , maybe she can edit out some  of Donald's  terrible responses to the media !     How dare conservatives be honest like that ?

    2. promisem profile image94
      promisemposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      I agree, Pretty Panther. And it's getting worse. God help us if the extremists take over.

  5. ahorseback profile image46
    ahorsebackposted 5 months ago

    The point is the  ability to see through the maze of media  , the slant , the bias , the ideological agendas, the politics  .  Fox certainly has their slant too, BUT  , the other outlets are completely biased .   one thing about Fox is that they enjoy a huge audience  . I'll never understand the lefts  ability to deny the thought of patriotism  , to  stand behind a president who neither  seems to love his country enough nor it's culture.  Extreme  Right wing extremists as in who , the skinheads ?  The KKK ? Check your history  , you will find  that the right wingers love of county is far  more prevalent than leftists NWO crap  .Right wingers are  lovers of the constitution  and the military and even the government .

    1. promisem profile image94
      promisemposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Ahorseback, a person who opposes right-wing extremism isn't necessarily a liberal. I'm just as opposed to left-wing extremism. Does that then make me a conservative? Any extremism is dangerous to the country and Constitution. Do you agree or not?

      1. Credence2 profile image85
        Credence2posted 5 months ago in reply to this

        What you are overlooking, Promisem, is that there is no such thing as a moderate conservative anymore. What is moderate about Trump, and he is the face of the GOP, the "conservative political party"? To be defined in the conservative camp means being a right wing extremist whether you like it or not. There has not been any real equal on the left since the 1960's. Democratic party politics are center left at the most.

        1. promisem profile image94
          promisemposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          Credence2, your response troubles me deeply. I am a moderate conservative. Are you saying that I'm the only one left in the country?

          1. Credence2 profile image85
            Credence2posted 5 months ago in reply to this

            I am not being nasty, Promisem. But, look at the Party? Back in the days when the only difference between the two parties was that one was more fiscally conservative than the other, we had more in common than otherwise. Back in the days prior to Goldwater and maybe up to the election of Reagan, we have not been as contentious with one another. Now, nothing gets done in Congress.  Would a Donald Trump be something that would be even contemplated by either of the major parties just a generation ago?

            With the exception, of GA, yeah, you are the only one left in the country.

            1. ahorseback profile image46
              ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              I take exception to the timeline of  shallower differing ideologies ,  I say it was  post Bill Clinton when true divide came along .   Possibly in the Reagan days .

              1. Credence2 profile image85
                Credence2posted 5 months ago in reply to this

                I think that Reagan was the beginning of everything, the Moral Majority, massive military buildup, deep sixing the social programs. Yes 1981 is a good place to draw the line as to where what we see as 'conservatism' as identified by the GOP begins.

                Richard Nixon, the last elected GOP president before Reagan, was far more mainstream politically.

                1. ahorseback profile image46
                  ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                  Reagan changed and politically altered  countries all across the world , Began a vibrant  economic build-up in the US. and drew people of both parties into a unified conversation about our country and it's political divisions  . 

                  It is however , the SHALLOW after thoughts and agenda's  of the ideological leftists that have to live in denial of THAT in order to advance the moron-ity of present day extreme  liberal ideologies .    At least in the seventies and eighties the majority of democrats were ideologically responsible voters .  What they have become today is shallow P.C.shadow of that same voter . 

                  Don't worry though , the  intelligence and political maturity  of the conservative voter will save our country , in spite of the extreme leftist absence of depth and  understanding of it's own actions.

                  1. Credence2 profile image85
                    Credence2posted 5 months ago in reply to this

                    Conservative voter saving the country by electing Trump, right ....

                    You will never get a chance, because there are more of us then there are of you. Better go for those 'shootin irons' to stop the libs because everybody knows rightwing politics rarely win these days.

            2. promisem profile image94
              promisemposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              Credence, my response was tongue in cheek. I'm sorry it wasn't more obvious. I know you weren't being nasty.

              If GA is a moderate conservative, he is my new BFF. Maybe we can form a club.  smile

      2. ahorseback profile image46
        ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        I realize that most reasonable adults are middle  position politically ,     What I also realize is the absolute control of the majority of our media , BY THE LEFT !  That and the following  point are  the greatest danger of all  ,  The  liberal teaching's  of our complete education system and it's teachings  to our youth . America is swinging off center towards the left .

        Anyone that cannot admit that , is either mentally asleep or totally indoctrinated by the P.C. media trends of today ! .  It will take the reality of  imminent  and perhaps more dangerous terror attacks before America wakes up to this .The problem today is that too much of  the blame goes to conservatisms , unfairly so .     How is it that those who want less government , less restrictions to our liberties  ,, smaller government and  more accountability of  existing government , to blame ?

        I'll Tell you this too ! The very reason for the over two hundred year old political  and economic success story that IS  America , can be" blamed" on conservatism too . You're welcome !  However , we ARE approaching  the levels of cultural , economic and  educational entitlements , of larger and more intrusive central government comparable to nations that ARE Socialists !  That you can blame on extreme  liberal ideologies !

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          Hxprofposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          It can also be blamed on the fact that the Christian faith did have, until recent decades, a considerable INFLUENCE upon America; this influence was such that the beliefs and actions of non believers were directed, to some extent, by Christianity.  This is no longer the case (as can be seen by extreme liberal thought) and has helped bring about the decline of America.

        2. promisem profile image94
          promisemposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          Ahorseback, I have worked in media for 35 years, and I can tell you for a fact that the people who own media properties cover the full range of political beliefs.

          I spent five years working closely with one of the most right-wing extremists I have ever met. He was CEO of a company with more than 50 newspapers and TV stations.

          So no, the left doesn't control all of the media in this country. Not even close.

          1. ahorseback profile image46
            ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            The televised  media is primarily  almost wholly, liberally influenced ,  The idiocy of Extreme--  liberalism has hit  hard on the most of these news outlets , I am from northern New England , and once  moderate  newspapers  are going further left .     Rural central and western news outlets are the only remaining conservatives , on paper ,    Fox  TV. delivers  much conservative-ism ,  at times too much , however the rest are so slanted left their about to drop off the charts !

            1. promisem profile image94
              promisemposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              Then you and I are partly agreeing that some media is liberal and some media is conservative.

              If we are somewhat agreeing, Ahorseback, does that mean I'm not a liberal extremist?  smile

              1. ahorseback profile image46
                ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                Only if you believe that that bias is equal in the media , liberals  DO own the media here !

  6. ahorseback profile image46
    ahorsebackposted 5 months ago

    At the present rate of Muslim immigration , Obama can even ignore the courts , public opinion and congress and still let in over twenty thousand LEGAL immigrant Muslims,  to say nothing of the two to three times that  illegally attaining  citizenship .    Perhaps Obama has a guilt complex  for his and Hillary's Arab Spring Uprising . That created this mess !

    Just how is it possible to "vet " someone when you  cannot AND  do not know absolutely anything about them .?   Oh yea , lets check with Iraq's , Syria and the others FBI files , like they have any such thing !

    1. Ken Burgess profile image81
      Ken Burgessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      20,000... hah... the government is bringing in 300,000 in the next twelve months, legally flown in, that has nothing to do with any crossing the border from Mexico.

  7. ahorseback profile image46
    ahorsebackposted 5 months ago

    Today , it is the apathetic attitude of the Obama administration that is and will get  more Americans  killed on OUR OWN SOIL  !  Liberal  leadership is allowing the selling of all of our  liberties to the highest bidder .  Hillary is a pro at selling America to the highest bidder !

    Left -wingers are  killing the American dream !

    1. Ken Burgess profile image81
      Ken Burgessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      It's not a apathetic attitude, it is a deliberate and well thought out position he takes on all of this.  Hasn't ANYONE read his books? 
      Dreams from my father... you don't even have to read it, you can find it on YouTube, the audio version, as well as his positions on Islam, Whites, Blacks, all in his own words in various interviews.

  8. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 5 months ago

    History is repeating itself on this continent. Ask the American Indians how happy they are today …  as certain ancestors helped the invaders who arrived in ships from Europe. The Indians did not see them as invaders at the time. But invade they did. They did not see that the visitors could eradicate their way of life. But eradicate they did. They did not see the suffering and the misery that other humans can inflict on other humans. But inflict they did.

    Could it happen again?????
    Both parties should unite over the issue of border control and the vital importance of strictly enforcing immigration laws.

    1. Ken Burgess profile image81
      Ken Burgessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Did you ever consider that both parties are aware of the damage bringing in tens of millions (that eventually turn to over 100 million, we are at over 65 million in the past quarter century) could do to the culture and future of America?
      That they are doing it with understanding of how it will effect wages, national unity, and all those other things that make a population strong and united?

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        TO WHAT END???

        1. Ken Burgess profile image81
          Ken Burgessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          In order for Globalism, corporate and global law to supersede National law, and National loyalty of the populace, one must destroy the foundations of a culture... that is in full swing currently, and should be complete in another decade or so.
          It may not seem it... but compared to say 1975, when America was still legitimately the #1 Nation in the world (before the oil crisis and shift of Industrial power to China)... America is somewhere between the 10th and 20th best Nation in the world, and continuing to fall/falter.
          This is achieved in large part because we have taken well more than 65 million people in 25 years, with the numbers now rising to millions each and every year... soon we will hit 100 million, probably in less than 10 years.
          A people who have no common culture, have no common background, have no unity, and more easily controlled by a central government which the majority depend on to survive... and all those millions of immigrants are counting on the government to provide them... in most cases they get better coverage from our government than American born citizens.
          It has to do with economics, wages of the workers, lowering the value of the workers, of people in society in general... the job I had when I was 18 pays less per hour now, and has less benefits, and that was 30 years ago.
          That job essentially is done now for less than HALF of what it was done for then... because the value of the dollar isn't worth half what it was then.
          They are bringing all those immigrants in, not to give them opportunity so much as to water down every American's opportunity for better wages and a better life than their parents had.
          That's what Globalism is... the elite have more than ever, they become gods on earth... and the rest become the masses, easily replaced no matter who they are or what their position.  This would be unachievable if there wasn't such a population explosion going on... but considering we have gone from a country that not so long ago only had 235 million people in it and now we have 325 million, and jobs/corporations are moving in all haste out of America to those other more populated countries massively populated with CHEAP labor.... http://www.census.gov/popclock/ ... anyways, the days of America being the #1 consumer of world resources and the #1 leader in technology and advances are over ... this massive influx of immigrants is just Globalism which = anti-Nationalism in full swing.

          1. colorfulone profile image87
            colorfuloneposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            You explained that well, Ken!

  9. ahorseback profile image46
    ahorsebackposted 5 months ago

    Left or right , lets face it we could stand for more muslims , islamics or any cultures   of the world to come into America Legally !      Vetted , confirmed ,  unblemmished in legal and  civil  or  political violations .   But the biggest problem of this whole  immigration  issue is the umconfirmed vetting process SIMILAR to culturally accepted means that Americans are used to .

    We go to Moter Vehicles to re-up a drivers licence . we get it .
    We go to the town to pay our property taxes , they accept them .
    We apply for our social security benifits  , answer the usual twenty questions , they accept it  .

    But Muslim refugees are un -vettable ! There ARE no records , no moter vehicle records  , no  educational  school  records  . hardly any military records ............Nada !   What don't liberals get about a  divisive and   idealistically confrontive theist  society  that  has a pre-emtive  mission to destroy all  of  western Judeo-Christian peoples ?

 
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