Do you care?
This would be the first time in modern American history that a candidate for President hasn't released his tax returns. Is this a big deal or not? If it is a big deal, what do you think Donald Trump is afraid the American people will see?
For one , that he is rich , two , that he has strength enough to say no , nstead of caving t the whims of people that hate him no matter what ! Gee , what an evil man .
No, it does not matter to me. If a tax return is such a good litmus test for honesty, wouldn't a check register be a better one? Let's see where the money really goes, not just where a document says it goes. Let's demand that now. Let every candidate release their bank account records for the last ten years. Now that would really be an honesty exam.
ps. Wilderness' point about using a tax return as a club is hard to deny. As is his point of the complexity of a tax return of someone at a presidential candidate level being beyond the understanding most.
Don't care. I see someone here has implied it would help us see if he has been abiding by the law. I'm sure the IRS can determine that better than we can.
Do you remember the Obama birth certificate? Within hours of release the nay sayers declared it a fraud, a photoshopped display...even as the state verified it's veracity.
When this is the response to what people don't want to see, I wouldn't release anything not required by law, either. Good, bad or indifferent it will be changed to evil in the minds of hateful people that care nothing for truth, only for mud to sling. The tax return is something few people understand anyway, and one from a multi-million dollar business tycoon will be incomprehensible to the man in the street. Who will then take the word of the mudslingers that Trump did evil things by following the law.
Still, it's a standard that all presidential candidates have followed.
So is not stealing public property from the White House. Your point?
Sychophantastic wrote: Still, it's a standard that all presidential candidates have followed.
Wilderness wrote So is not stealing public property from the White House. Your point?
Oh, wait. Not stealing public property from the White House isn't a standard all presidential candidates have followed. Hillary and Bill changed that.
Who stole property from the White House? I haven't heard that one before. What right-wing conspiracy site did that come from?
That's BS, Wilderness, you're just making another excuse for your man Trump.
This is requirement is expected of all who desire the office since the 1970's. If he is so quick to say that Hillary is crooked, let's get out his tax returns and see how honest he is? He wants to be chief executive, commander and chief and yet I am supposed to take him at his word regarding his honesty? Just who in the hell does he think that he is? His reasoning or excuse is dead on arrival and the heat will be kept on at full intensity, until he comes clean.
If it is a requirement then it will be done or he won't be President. Or did you just mean it is one of the requirements for YOUR vote?
I highly doubt that you could understand his tax return any more than I could. How will you determine honesty, then? Will you just declare him dishonest because everything in the tax return is legal but you don't like the deductions so he's dishonest anyway?
No, I am not qualified as a tax specialist, but there are people who are. These people will help laymen determine if he has been obeying the law that he will be sworn, if he wins, to enforce. They can't easily make that determination if Trump refuses to be candid in this matter. What is it that he has to hide, if he is so much heads and shoulders more honest than Clinton, then I say, prove it! Otherwise, we will make sure that this omission remains a burr in his saddle throughout the campaign.
The electorate can decide for themselves AFTER he comes clean with return whether or not it was proper. Why should he get a free pass when every contender in the last 40 years had to provide such evidence. I did not hear any talk about the ability to interpret the returns during this long period. Gotta tell the rightwinger that its slip is showing not to mention other things, utter hypocrisy
Yes, there are people that can do the job. People who will, for the most part, give answers completely dependent on whether they want to see Trump as president, and you KNOW this.
Of course, you are insinuating that the Audit division of the IRS is crooked as well; any return of that size is automatically audited and therefore they are being paid to find nothing. Did you think of that, or just not care?
"What is it that he has to hide, if he is so much heads and shoulders more honest than Clinton, then I say, prove it!"
Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? He has no reason to "prove" anything at all, especially to people determined that his campaign fail. Particularly as those people, just as the Obama haters did with his birth certificate, will turn it into a lie as quickly and as thoroughly as possible.
"Otherwise, we will make sure that this omission remains a burr in his saddle throughout the campaign."
No doubt. Mud is a potent weapon, particularly when it consists of only unbridled suspicion spread as loudly and as far as it can be slung. Yes, hypocrisy at it's best - if the left winger can't find something to crow about they will make something up with suspicion and innuendo - making the non-existent issue a "burr in his saddle" is an excellent example.
No, Credence, I thought Obama stupid for making his birth records public and think Trump would be even stupider for making his confidential business dealings public; your vast interest in finding dirt will just have to go elsewhere and you will have to be satisfied with all his deals being put into a trust operated by someone else.
I didn't know, I thought that you were one of those "birther" types.
Never heard any excessive concern from you about that outrage.
I am with Panther as she says while there is not a law, it has been a custom and a damned good one. You would support Trump if he shot the Pope and I would never consider voting for him for a myriad of reasons.
But the vast number of the electorate in-between who have to decide? Being surreptitious and obstinate about this is going to cast more of a negative pallor over his campaign then otherwise. Most of the voters and most human beings see candor and disclosures in a positive way. Let's see how Trump plays this off ?And since I don't care for the man a great deal, anyway, I say "bring it on". This issue will be kept front and center before the voters until he capitulates.
If the deductions that he claims are legal as allowed by the law, then OK. Whether I like him or not is irrelevant, he still has to meet standards of honesty and truthfulness, regardless.
Please remember that experts no longer matter in the new America. If you feel that his taxes don't matter, then you qualify as the expert.
Yes, YOUR standards of honesty and truthfulness as you insist there is something evil to find without having any reason to think so.
Reminds me of the ancient witch hunts in this country, where the puritan women were subjected to a detailed skin search by people with no more reason than that they wanted to see a naked woman and the claim by a neighbor that the poor woman was a witch.
No, it's just a standard that's been followed. Mitt Romney was a rich businessman and released his returns.
Trump demanded that Obama produce a birth certificate, something no other President has been asked to do, yet he is not willing to display a transparency that every other presidential candidate has done.. That said, I do not personally care if he releases them or not. It makes him look bad to stubbornly insist he shouldn't be held to the same standard as as every other candidate in recent decades. His choice, his mistake. His position only makes you wonder what he is hiding.
Since I loathe the thought of him becoming president, the more stupid behavior he displays, the happier I am.
Absolutely. Every past president has been a major businessman and made transparent all their business plans and operations.
Did you even think about you're wanting? Business espionage in the extreme, all in the hopes of finding (or creating) some dirt to throw.
Actually, Public "DISCLOSURE & Display" of Tax Returns is the OBLIGATION of any individual running for President, even if it's a "PSEUDO-Campaign" Operated by a Dangerous Delusional Individual like Donald ~ The PUBLIC has a Legal RIGHT to Inspect the Documents ~
Moreover, SPECIFIC to Trump, there appears to be at least one VERY Good REASON WHY he Continues to "CONCEAL & Hide" Pertinent Financial INFO ~ If I'm correct, He'll NEVER Release the forms Willfully Without a COURT Order Compelling him to do so ~
I don't care at all, and really don't see why politicians are pressured to do it. The average person cannot even parse the tax return of a wealthy businessman, or even that of a moderately wealthy career politician like Clinton. I suppose it's meant to prove that a person is honest and open, but the IRS has already been looking at them for a long time, so why does average Joe Shmo need to stick his nose in? What is average Joe Shmo going to find that an IRS agent hasn't already found?
Do truth challenged liberals believe for one minute that Hillary and Obama hasn't already seen Trumps tax files ? Please , you can't see mine nor I yours , but you think there's a law somewhere that says you have a right to Trumps , right .
Typical Hippocratic Double standards !
But I wouldn't mind seeing why The Clinton Foundation [ a volunteer company ]only donates less than ten percent of its proceeds !
It's an American tradition to release tax returns if you're running for President. Why do you hate America?
I love America more than most of you people do . I just hate this government , And how it has deserted its owners !
Clearly you don't love America. You're supporting Donald Trump, who is as un-American as they come and spews nothing but hate and rhetoric about how America is a bad place.
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