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Which President Should Obama Replace on Mt. Rushmore?

  1. Sychophantastic profile image83
    Sychophantasticposted 4 months ago

    Now that President Obama is wrapping up his second term and is widely regarded as one of the greatest presidents of the United States, a movement is afoot to have him added to Mt. Rushmore. Who's face do you think Obama's should replace? I'm voting for Thomas Jefferson since Jefferson owned slaves.

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      Well, widely regarded as the greatest...by perhaps a dozen people in the country.  Maybe widely regarded as a great president...by most democrats.

      Either way that's well under half the population and you want to put him in Rushmore?

    2. promisem profile image94
      promisemposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      He has an average rank of 17th from two polls of presidential historians. But it's still early. His rank could go up or down.

      GW Bush is 34th.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historica … ted_States

      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        I would point out that no one (to my knowledge) has put forth a ridiculous notion of recarving Mt. Rushmore in the image of Bush.

        To answer the OP. There have been many great presidents in the eyes of different people. If you want Obama carved into a mountain there are plenty to choose from other than Rushmore.

        1. promisem profile image94
          promisemposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          I'm not sure if you are criticizing my post or not. I provided the Obama number as a way of putting his presidency in perspective. A ranking of 17th doesn't justify putting him on Rushmore.

          I provided the Bush number in case people were curious. I would be glad to post more if you wish.

          1. Live to Learn profile image82
            Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

            Saw your post. Don't even know why I responded to the OP. These threads this Hubber starts are childish and ridiculous.  No one is going to recarve Mount Rushmore. I don't care  how many sycophants call for it.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
              Kathryn L Hillposted 4 months ago in reply to this

              its just a way to discuss the issues at hand.
              Gosh!

              1. Live to Learn profile image82
                Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                This is not an issue at hand. No one would seriously discuss recarving Mt. Rushmore. It would be a non starter before the conversation began.

  2. colorfulone profile image89
    colorfuloneposted 4 months ago

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    We just got another extremely disappointing GDP number.  It was being projected that U.S. GDP would grow by 2.5 percent during the second quarter of 2016, but instead it only grew by just 1.2 percent.  In addition, the Census Bureau announced that GDP growth for the first quarter of 2016 had been revised down from 1.1 percent to 0.8 percent.  What this means is that the U.S. economy is just barely hanging on by its fingernails from falling into a recession.   As Zero Hedge has pointed out, the “average annual growth rate during the current business cycle remains the weakest of any expansion since at least 1949″.  This is not what a recovery looks like.

    In addition, Barack Obama remains solidly on track to be the only president in all of U.S. history to never have a single year when the economy grew by at least 3 percent.  Every other president in American history, even the really bad ones, had at least one year when U.S. GDP grew by at least 3 percent.  But this has not happened under Obama even though he has had two terms in the White House.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-3 … gdp-growth

    And, Obama tells the public everything is fine?   Obama has not helped the economy, and because of that he will go down as one the worst presidents in history the of America.

    The rate of real economic growth is the single greatest determinate of both America’s strength as a nation and the well-being of the American people. Barack Obama will be lucky to average a 1.55% GDP growth rate.
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07 … dp-growth/

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    1. Sychophantastic profile image83
      Sychophantasticposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      As usual, another Republican who can't comprehend data, leading them to provide both un-American and unpatriotic rhetoric. I think it's safe to say that nobody who understands data analysis, math, and statistics, would trust a right-winger to interpret data for them. Climate change alone proves that. Science is data. Most Republicans don't seem to believe in science.

      As an example, I recently engaged a right-winger on unemployment. This person asserted a GOP figure that 97 million people were out-of-work. This would be approximately 30% of the population. So we apparently have a 30% unemployment rate. I guess if you include those over 65 and children, this could be correct. Unfortunately, if you have no historical context, it means nothing.

      Likewise, your GDP figure. If you just give a figure in a vacuum, it has no meaning. What you need to do is provide the U.S. GDP figure relative to the GDP figure of other nations as the economy is a global one. Would you be surprised to know that disparity between our GDP and other NATO nations is the largest (in a positive way) it has been since World War 2? In other words, the U.S. performance relative to its peers is the best it has been since that time.

      So thanks, once again, for your anti-American rhetoric and fun un-American meme. If you hate it here so much and you believe the garbage you spew, perhaps you should move?

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        "...disparity between our GDP and other NATO nations is the largest (in a positive way) it has been since World War 2?"

        Not surprising.  The further the left-wingers take them towards the perceived utopia of socialism the worse it will be for them.  Strange, isn't it, that left-wingers can look at the data and then pretend that high taxes and extreme share-the-wealth plans makes for a strong economy?

        1. Sychophantastic profile image83
          Sychophantasticposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          What high taxes? That's another myth.

          http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter … e-middle-/

  3. ahorseback profile image46
    ahorsebackposted 4 months ago

    It wouldn't  surprise me to  see Obama's profile on Rushmore for  political correctness knows no bounds whatsoever !     A better  place though ,  might be on some of the hill tops of Virginia , West Virginia , Pennsylvania ............ to  commemorate all the jobs  lost there  while supporting   incredible subsidies for solar banks ,   wind towers  .  OR  how about his granite profile  on the facades of some of our inner city  sky-scrapers ,maybe in Chicago where gun murders by gangs of thugs have increased what , tenfold !    Or in  Baltimore where  liberal" leadership" is turning  the city into war zones !     How about  even on the face of the Plymouth rock where  we can all celebrate the immigration of unknown amounts of Islamic  terrorists , which are mushrooming in occurrences under his watch ?

    Yea .....let's put his face somewhere to commemorate the election of political correctness , racial bias , and pseudo -madness of  intellectuals  elitist  madness to the white house .

  4. colorfulone profile image89
    colorfuloneposted 4 months ago

    Sychophantastic, I am a Libertarian, a nationalist and a true patriot.  I want freedom, justice, liberty and equality for all. Are you confused like other left-wingers who aren't even true-liberals anymore?  True liberals are actually very nice people, but many are leaving the Democratic party during this great historical election year because of a realignment that is happening.  And, some people are leaving the Republican party.  Its wonderful to be alive and to be a part of history in the making! 

    Historically, Obama will go down in history as one of the worst presidents because of the poor GDP rating, its not good for America or for the well-being of Americans...and that truly does concern me because of the future of my children and their children...everyone's children.

    1. Sychophantastic profile image83
      Sychophantasticposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      Your information on the GDP is wrong, as I pointed out. You're trying to look at it in a vacuum. I'm sure you probably believe in the 97 million unemployment figure too. I'm also sure the answer is to elect a fascist. There's nothing more anti-American than that.

    2. Sychophantastic profile image83
      Sychophantasticposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      Presumably you're voting Gary Johnson then?

    3. Sychophantastic profile image83
      Sychophantasticposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      I'm actually a trained historian. I've never read a presidential biography where GDP was a huge factor in the determination of a president's greatness, though somebody like Herbert Hoover, where the economy went south, it certainly involved GDP. That said, Obama's place in history will take some time to come into focus.

  5. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 months ago

    Obama should replace George Washington of course! Obama would like that. But, I hear the faces have been crying. It might increase the tears.

  6. wba108@yahoo.com profile image85
    wba108@yahoo.composted 4 months ago

    Obama should replace Teddy Rooselvelt with Ronald Reagan. TR was an early progressive who thought the Constitution was outdated, he along with others set the stage for the liberal progressive movement that's rotting the country from the inside out.

    Reagan took a country that was beaten down and humiliated and set the stage for the greatest period of hope and prosperity in American history. The prosperity even continued a decade after he was out of office. America's status went from the humiliation of Vietnam and the Iranian hostage crisis to actions that led to the collapse of the oppressive Soviet Regime with a bold winning strategy rather than appeasement.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      +1

    2. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      +2

    3. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
      Kathryn L Hillposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      +3

    4. Sychophantastic profile image83
      Sychophantasticposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      Reagan was a liberal by today's conservative standards. That said, Reagan increased jobs by driving up the deficit through massive defense spending. Also, Reagan was the one who started the problem we have now, which is the gap between rich and poor. Nobody other than the rich did well under Reagan. Everybody else's wages remained flat.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        Oh brother. The economy was excellent. What do you attribute that to?

        1. Sychophantastic profile image83
          Sychophantasticposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          Deficit spending.

          1. Sychophantastic profile image83
            Sychophantasticposted 4 months ago in reply to this

            You can read The Politics of Rich and Poor by Kevin Phillips. He was a Republican Party strategist, so there is a chance you'll think he is telling the truth.

          2. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 4 months ago in reply to this

            Isn't that a good thing?  Liberal policies require it, and the Great Obama is lauded for running the biggest deficits in history.  Yet Reagan did the wrong thing by doing it - how does that work?

            1. Sychophantastic profile image83
              Sychophantasticposted 4 months ago in reply to this

              OMG! Thanks for pointing out my hypocrisy! Might want to look in the mirror. Are you aware of how much of Obama's deficit he inherited and how much he added to it?

              1. Sychophantastic profile image83
                Sychophantasticposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                Perhaps we could agree on this: the deficit is largely the result of entitlements. Eliminate Medicare, Medicaid, and all forms of government subsidized health care and the would put a big dent in it.

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                  How easily you exaggerate and forget that the people have paid for their own medicare through a lifetime of payroll deductions.  It is NOT an entitlement, but already paid for by the people getting it.

                  1. Sychophantastic profile image83
                    Sychophantasticposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                    It is still run by govt and heavily subsidized.

        2. ahorseback profile image46
          ahorsebackposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          LIBERAL HATERS SIMPLY HAVE NO IDEA OF EVEN THERE OWN IDEALISMS , THEY SIMPLY INVENT THE CAUSES AND BLAMES AS THEY GO THROUGH LIFE.

          HOW SHALLOW. .

      2. Alternative Prime profile image88
        Alternative Primeposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        The REAGAN / Republican CONservative CON-Job Agenda for Quote Un-Quote "JOB Creation" which "Delusional Donald" has Adopted, is "Believe it or NOT", to GIVE Even MORE of OUR Wealth to Corrupt Wall STREET Corporations in the form of Gargantuan TAX Cuts, then we must simply TRUST Greedy CEO's to SHARE that Wealth with "We the PEOPLE" ~ sad

        P.S. ~ The BULK of OUR Current Deficit APPEARED during Moron George W Bush's DISASTEROUS Tenure when he GAVE Away OUR 2 Trillion Dollar SURPLUS then Proceeded to Commence with Unecessary TRILLION Dollar WARz Primarily in the Middle EAST ~ sad

  7. bBerean profile image62
    bBereanposted 4 months ago

    As luck would have it, they have never completed the Crazy Horse Memorial, so there is still time to appropriately carve the Emperor's image as the horse's backside!

    1. Live to Learn profile image82
      Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      lol priceless!

    2. Sychophantastic profile image83
      Sychophantasticposted 4 months ago in reply to this
 
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