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Venting Yet.....Again.....& Again

  1. gmwilliams profile image85
    gmwilliamsposted 3 months ago

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    Conservatives out there, what are your SIX main beefs regarding Liberals?  What do you found THE MOST perplexing regarding Liberals & their ideology?

    1. Credence2 profile image86
      Credence2posted 3 months ago in reply to this

      I know that you are not speaking to me, but you might make another thread as to why progressives get so vexed with the right wing.

      And you do not have to be KKK to be right wing, either.

      I don't know, I use to think that the difference was merely cosmetic. But conversing with so many on the right and with the backdrop of the Trump campaign and all the support for him that I thought would have been impossible in this day and age, I have reason to think that the differences may well be more substantive.

      I suppose left progressives are pretty consistent in their views across the board as are right leaning conservatives. Are the differences in people and their attitudes and beliefs based upon nature or nurture?

    2. Live to Learn profile image82
      Live to Learnposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      I suppose my main beef is simply their assumption that the government is supposed to fix everything. I get the impression they want as one Hubber says 'a nanny state. My observations have been that the government is the worst qualified to be anyone's nanny.

      And their dogmatic adoration of Hillary lends credence to the claim that they can't think independently. They appear to be little more than party drones.

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        Both are necessary to retain power and control in a democracy.

        For instance, consider the near constant refrain that the rich don't pay their "fair share"; that tax rates in the past were 90% and they have already sunk to only a third of that.  What is never mentioned is that the rich actually pay a higher percentage of their income than they did when rates were higher.  If such things became common knowledge, an adult, reasoning population might not put up with plans to grab even more.  The population must be held in a constant state of childishness, unable to think independently and outside the politically desired guidelines.

    3. Credence2 profile image86
      Credence2posted 3 months ago in reply to this

      The only thing worse than a dogmatic Hillary supporter is a damnable Trumpster. Lets see what the people decide in November....... As the 'people' will have spoken.

      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        If the 'people' are little more than puppets being manipulated, they don't count as thinking, rational individuals. And if the puppeteer is simply stealing wood from his neighbor's forest in order to turn more people into puppets  then a time will come when the forest is gone and those puppets will begin having the wood on their noses cut off in an attempt to create more puppets to continue the illusion of numbers. When that happens many will evolve into real people.

        1. Credence2 profile image86
          Credence2posted 3 months ago in reply to this

          At least your talking to me again and we do not let our natural differences foul the communication stream.

          The first danger that is presented by any demogogue is the idea that people cannot think for themselves, thus needing a heavy hand to guide them to see things the RIGHT way.

          We on the left see that time when right wingers exhausted with niceties of democracy, will resort to bullet once they fail to achieve their aims within representative government. 'Second Amendment' solutions? What happened in Brazil is an example how an unpopular rightwing Government usurps power against the popular will.

          I know that this is 'out there', but with the Right, anything is possible.

          1. Live to Learn profile image82
            Live to Learnposted 3 months ago in reply to this

            I agree that both far ends are a danger to us all. Trump is not, in my opinion, a far end. And the cool thing about Trump is no one in government likes him so the demagogue rhetoric is foolish. All that will be accomplished by his election would be a resounding clap of thunder to let the politicians understand the storm is at hand and will consume them if they don't start putting the people first. All that will be accomplished by Hillary's election would be a signal that business as usual in Washington is given a green light.

            1. Credence2 profile image86
              Credence2posted 3 months ago in reply to this

              Whatever, but he's gotta win first, and that still is quite a stretch. We progressives and our allies will continue to see him as an unacceptable option, foolish or not.

              Let's see how Trump holds up against Clinton in the upcoming debates, make sure that you tune in!!

              1. Live to Learn profile image82
                Live to Learnposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                I see the point is still going over your head.

                1. Credence2 profile image86
                  Credence2posted 3 months ago in reply to this

                  I know your point, but I don't agree, it is just that simple... Trump represents more of a problem for me and others than just the possibility of the continuation of politics as usual, that seems to be going over YOUR head...

                  1. Live to Learn profile image82
                    Live to Learnposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                    Nothing is going over my head either. I just think you are presenting a chicken little argument.

              2. Credence2 profile image86
                Credence2posted 3 months ago in reply to this

                Trump is stilla conservative candidate with a conservative GOP agenda that has the support of everyone from the KKK through Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter and the reluctant GOP. I am not politically conservative, so I can never support him, regardless. This idea that he is above the fray as some revolutionary populist candidate is just so much BS. People like him are part of the problem,  not the solution. He can do enough 'damage' to progressive ideals to render him unelectable just in itself. But, if he wins on November 8th, I will adjust to the will of the people.  If he turns out to be the tyrant that I suspect he is under that toupee, I will have to seriously consider that move to Montreal.

            2. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 3 months ago in reply to this

              That's the way I see it as well.  Trump isn't going to do any real damage, and win or lose it is going to make an enormous statement about how the people feel about the way our government operates.  Not so much as to what it does, but the way it operates.

              Something "we the people" have needed to say for a long time now.

              1. Live to Learn profile image82
                Live to Learnposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                I see the New York Post just conducted a poll that shows Trump in the lead. I bet that'll put a bee in some bonnets.

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                  Just saw that it is 51-41, Trump on the tail end.

                  Honestly, for the first time I'm about writing ALL the polls off as pure politics without a trace of honesty in any of them.

                  1. Live to Learn profile image82
                    Live to Learnposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                    Even the way the questions are posed will change the answers given. Polls don't mean much. But, the bad thing is it is human nature to want to back a winner so they can certainly used tainted polls to effect the outcome.

                  2. Credence2 profile image86
                    Credence2posted 3 months ago in reply to this

                    I don't know, the polls were pretty accurate in predicting Obama's defeat of Romney despite Fox News and their "new polling' method designed to weed out liberal bias? They were so sure that the prevailing polls were wrong and that Romney would win, but alas, Obama won by a comfortable margin.

                    So, you can shoot the messenger..........

    4. ahorseback profile image46
      ahorsebackposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      -That political correctness blinds them to ALL other reasoning .
      -That the cost of  socialistic  ideals that they embrace are ultimately paid for by all others .
      -That they brainwash  our youth through controlling the education system ,
      - They believe the constitution is fluid.
      - That their hatred of tradition and nationalism is so viral
      -That honesty and integrity evades their voting character

  2. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 months ago

    1. Cavalier attitude regarding taxation.
    2. Blind idealism. 
    3. Denial of common sense.
    4. Hatred of traditional American values.
    5. Disregard for The Constitution.
    6. Tendency to indoctrinate the nation's students with lies regarding America's history to promote their own agendas.

  3. FitnezzJim profile image87
    FitnezzJimposted 3 months ago

    My main beef against both conservatives and liberals is that they both seek to cluster people into a group that they can label.  Then they argue on the basis of the label.

    Most people are conservative in some ways, and liberal in others.

    I for one dislike having people tell me that I think one way or the other based on the label of the day they have chosen to object to.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
      Kathryn L Hillposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      yes. Some are predicting civil war after the election. That would be pretty pathetic.

 
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