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No Pres. Obama , the American people aren't Lazy , You are .

  1. ahorseback profile image44
    ahorsebackposted 2 months ago

    In his usual condescending  style  in Asia    , Pres. Obama  called the American people" Lazy" but    It is  in fact , the representative government  in America that is lazy , biased , combative  , apathetic  and  downright  incompetent  in it's  administrative leadership . You Pres. Obama  are the greatest disappointment to America  in her greatest times and  trials .  Where you could have been positive , productive and even  presidential ,it is  actually YOU  who fail miserably  !

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    YOU ONCE AS WELL SAID " LET'S MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN "   why don't you act it ?

    1. Credence2 profile image85
      Credence2posted 2 months ago in reply to this

      Do you have a link to support what you have said here?

      1. colorfulone profile image87
        colorfuloneposted 2 months ago in reply to this

        Listen to Imama Obama:  https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ … %27Lazy%27

        Sadly, Obama may have spoke the truth about the state of mind of the below average American who is too lazy to do a Google search to find out what is happening on the other side of the world, but I do not believe that is true for the above average Americans who want to be informed (we are the majority, I hope).

        Obama was speaking in Laos, a one-party socialist republic. "It espouses Marxism and is governed by a single party communist politburo dominated by military generals." - Wikiepedia

        1. Credence2 profile image85
          Credence2posted 2 months ago in reply to this

          The only people even more deplorable are those that take blantant ly biased propaganda passing it on as fact, without verifiable sources. That practice has been found here and chastised here more than once.

          1. colorfulone profile image87
            colorfuloneposted 2 months ago in reply to this

            Hillary Clinton backtracked after calling American voters deplorable.  She has no class. What difference does it make...the damage has been done? 

            Hillary's smearing millions of Americans could very well be her downfall, not cool at all, and totally unpresidential.

            Obama stated how deplorable Hillary really is, exposing her. Some times the guy gets it, but some times he doesn't. He got it right in 2008 on this video.
            *   https://twitter.com/Trump_World/status/ … 99424?s=09

            Some of the stuff Obama says, I tell ya'!  smile

    2. colorfulone profile image87
      colorfuloneposted 2 months ago in reply to this

      Who is Obama’s boss? And why it matters.
      by Jon Rappoport - September 6, 2016
      https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2016 … t-matters/

      I really respect Jon Rappoport, and think that as far as intelligence goes he is right up there.  He founded No More Fake News.  Anyway, I thought the article might interest you, also.

  2. colorfulone profile image87
    colorfuloneposted 2 months ago

    Oh, com'on, ahorseback...Imama Obama has been a godsend for ISIS.

    January 20th 2017 cannot come soon enough if Trump wins the presidential election on November 8th.   

    God forebide ISIS supporter Hillary Clinton wins.

    Giving aid and comfort to the Islamic State as Obama and Clinton have done is called treason in the United States Constitution.

  3. ahorseback profile image44
    ahorsebackposted 2 months ago

    The  leader  of America  would rather divide a mostly united America from his beginning campaign strategy   , by race , by ideology , by generation, and then  entitle  so many of it's citizens  until many , many are simply dependent upon government and THEN   complain because his followers are too Lazy ? 

    Now that  serves up  a perfect lesson in his liberal hypocrisy .

  4. greenmind profile image87
    greenmindposted 2 months ago

    So you think Obama's "lazy." Whatever. But here's what the man ACTUALLY said in the instance you just misquoted (might want to check your souces next time):

    WHAT'S TRUE: President Obama said that when environmental destruction occurs, it's usually because we've been "lazy" and not tried hard enough to find creative solutions; in a pitch for greater engagement between the U.S. and Southeast Asia, Obama said sometimes you can feel lazy when you live in a big country and think you don't have to learn about other people.

    WHAT'S FALSE: Obama didn't describe Americans as (or accuse Americans of being) "lazy."

    1. ahorseback profile image44
      ahorsebackposted 2 months ago in reply to this

      Did he then call China lazy ?  You know China , the country that can't wait to  destroy  the entire universe with its massive  polluting  presence in it's new capitalism and it's economic wars  ?  Obama loves to use America as the example of his contempt for  the free world market  yet fails to call China out .

      No he calls America lazy .  Obama should "man up " ,he'd be a far better leader .

      1. wrenchBiscuit profile image87
        wrenchBiscuitposted 2 months ago in reply to this

        If that is what he said, then he only told the truth. The rotten apple doesn't fall far from the tree. The Founding Fockers and their brethren were too lazy to do the work themselves, and so they had to enslave Indigenous and African people for nearly 400 years to do the work for them. That's pretty damn lazy!

        Americans are even too lazy to cook their own food. That is why fast food chains like McDonald's and Burger King have been raking in the dough for years. The American people would rather eat toxic waste than to cook their own meals and carry a lunch box. My advice to Americans: Learn to speak a second language, get rid of that flag,  stop living in the past, and find something worthwhile to believe in.

        1. ahorseback profile image44
          ahorsebackposted 2 months ago in reply to this

          Your hatred  of America has always come through  plain , clear ,  your excuses blind , simplified and poorly practiced , your solutions naïve and hate filled .   But one thing is for sure and for certain ,    you wouldn't even understand the real truth of our history  if it were something that you actually lived through .

          Who isn't a rhetorical slave to this system ?   Who hasn't  begun at the bottom  in America ?   Who but you and those of your youthful , naïve   , self entitling victimhood  seeking brethren  can find your own way through your hatred of your homeland  ?

          You will always be a "victim " if you so chose.

          1. wrenchBiscuit profile image87
            wrenchBiscuitposted 2 months ago in reply to this

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            Jesus said in Matthew 6:24:No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and mammon.

            According to Jesus, hate is not a four letter word.

            1. Live to Learn profile image82
              Live to Learnposted 2 months ago in reply to this

              You obviously didn't get the message Jesus was preaching.

              1. wrenchBiscuit profile image87
                wrenchBiscuitposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                Now that you have painted yourself into a corner, please share with us your wisdom concerning the message of Jesus, as it was given in Matthew 6:24.

                1. Live to Learn profile image82
                  Live to Learnposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                  Well I have no idea what mamon is. Any translation I've seen had that word as money. But the question isn't my interpretation it is your claim that Jesus said hate isn't a four letter word.

                  If we are told what the two greatest commandments are, where does hate factor in when abiding by them? Hate can feel very righteous, but it isn't. It's just hate.

                  1. wrenchBiscuit profile image87
                    wrenchBiscuitposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                    Of course, you danced all around my question. I posted Matthew 6:24, and you originally commented on Matthew 6:24. You commented: "You obviously didn't get the message Jesus was preaching."

                    I asked a straightforward question, and I will ask it again. If this biblical verse is not instructing us to hate evil, then please give us the proper interpretation.

            2. ahorseback profile image44
              ahorsebackposted 2 months ago in reply to this

              To use the word of God without the blessing of knowing the word, I mean really knowing  their meaning , is the truest form of hypocrisy known to humankind. You spew such hatred   that your understanding of  either hate or God is non-existent , But we would expect nothing else from hypocrisy   than just that do , would we  Wrench ?

              1. wrenchBiscuit profile image87
                wrenchBiscuitposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                Here, we see you have created a Forum Topic bemoaning the "alleged" fact that Obama made the remark that Americans are lazy. Speaking of hypocrisy! You are the one who has been most vocal about why people like me should "get over the past", and stop being offended by holidays such as Columbus Day,U.S. currency that bears the likeness of slaveowners and murderers, and grotesque statues that honor the same, as well as patriotic songs that honor evil.

                And the litany of evil I have just described is what the educated mind sees everyday here in America. And this moves across the color line. Any educated person with a conscience could not possibly be comfortable with the incessant glorification of rapists and murderers, especially in a nation that continues it's legacy of Imperialist aggression throughout the world. But we are supposed to be kind and forgiving, and just forget, not only about the past, but also about the evil of racism and perpetual war that continues unto this very day.

                And so, have a taste of your own medicine! I suggest any American who is offended by what Obama "allegedly" said should grow up and get over it. If the American sensibilities are so frail that they can't even stand up to a little verbal abuse. How on Earth could they stand to live in a country where everywhere they turned, they would see images and glorification of men who became famous for killing white people, raping white women, enslaving the white European, and forcing them onto reservations. Based on how angry many of you get when a Black man dares to call you lazy, or someone else above your station dares to call a spade a spade, and condemn the evil European Colonizers, and the evil progeny that have followed in their footsteps, it is safe to say that many white Americans could not have endured over 500 years of oppression as well as the African and the Indigenous have endured.

                My advice to patriotic Americans: Grow up, find better role models, get a little color in your life, and stop encouraging your daughters to date white men who commonly use terms such a "Founding Fathers", or "Let's Make America Great Again". It is impossible to make something "Great Again" when it was never great in the first place.

                1. Live to Learn profile image82
                  Live to Learnposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                  lol Now we find out what your real beef is. I doubt you aren't getting dates because you don't identify as white. There are bigger problems here, me thinks.

          2. Live to Learn profile image82
            Live to Learnposted 2 months ago in reply to this

            Haven't you noticed? It's fun to be the victim. You get to spew hate filled epithets all day long and chastise those who actually do something for not agreeing with you.

        2. Live to Learn profile image82
          Live to Learnposted 2 months ago in reply to this

          Newsflash. I'm sure you consider being a musician work. I call it lazy. I work 10 hours a day seven days a week. Most people I know work over 40 hours. I feed many of them in our restaurant. They aren't too lazy to cook. They are too busy.

          Trashing others without the benefit of fact simply shows what little one knows about the group they are trashing.

          1. Credence2 profile image85
            Credence2posted 2 months ago in reply to this

            To be any artist to the point where you able to support yourself takes work. Often, many times with more creativity and resourcefulness than found in a typical 40 hour workweek job. They are self employed and to survive they have to work harder than anyone else.

            1. Live to Learn profile image82
              Live to Learnposted 2 months ago in reply to this

              BS. I'd need proof that any artist works harder than I do. Being a successful artist is usually more about selling out than working.

              1. Credence2 profile image85
                Credence2posted 2 months ago in reply to this

                Per our previous discussions, it has been established that NOBODY works harder than you do. Even if I had an example with which to prove, I doubt that you would accept it as such. You would only see hard work as valid within your OWN standard as to what that would be. But actual definition as to what hard work is is much broader.

                My sister was musician of alternative music for many years, she had to finely hone her craft or she did not make any money. Creating new songs, feeling out audiences, arranging venues, working with sponsors, etc. I think that that is work, you can never live on your laurels and do not have certain assurances provided within the structure a regular job.

                1. Live to Learn profile image82
                  Live to Learnposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                  lol Okay. If you say so.

            2. wrenchBiscuit profile image87
              wrenchBiscuitposted 2 months ago in reply to this

              Thank You! Musicians get paid less today than they did 30 years ago. And of course, there are no benefits. The average 3 piece band could easily make $500.00 for a Saturday Night gig during the Disco Era. Today, they are lucky to get paid half that amount. But even $500.00 split 3 ways, 2-3  nights a week isn't going to get you on the cover of Forbes. Being a musician, or an artist, is in many ways like being Gay. It is not a lifestyle choice, as many mistakenly believe. We are are born to be what we are, and for an artist,  money is not the measure of success. Yes, I could have become a doctor, or a lawyer, or enjoyed the benefits of any number of lucrative professions. And then I would have had lots of money, but because of who I am, that would have made me a coward,  and a total failure, because that was not my path to follow.

              As I believe I have commented in the other thread, my father , like many men of color, served with honor during World War II, only to come back to his homeland, suffer racial epithets, and have to fight white racist Americans for the right to live on the farm he and my mother had purchased with their own money! This did not happen in 1492, but in my lifetime. And for me, there can be no forgetting, and no forgiveness for such a crime against humanity, and the people I loved.

              It really doesn't matter to me what Obama says about Americans. Because there is nothing he could say that could exceed what I already feel, and know to be true. In my opinion, Obama hasn't said enough.

              1. Live to Learn profile image82
                Live to Learnposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                Wow. All that talk of money. It appears we know what you worship.  Most people are just like artists. They do what they feel drawn to do. Not everyone has an inner muse. It does not mean they work less than someone who does.

              2. Credence2 profile image85
                Credence2posted 2 months ago in reply to this

                You are welcome.

                You know WB, on the subject of just how hard it to stand out in your business, you explain to people that there is a vast gulf between people who only play piano on Christmas for the family and someone like Elton John or Mick Jagger. There is the vast gulf inbetween, with the majority of it skewing toward the former over the latter. Sis had cut three albums, and she always complained about how big a take producers and promoters wanted from the proceeds of your talent, especially if you are new. You don't have a lot of leverage. There have been plenty of big name musicians that have beenexploited to the point where they were busted flat, after everbody took their 'cut'.

                My Pop was too young for WWII, but served during Korea, during the period just after the armed forces were officially integrated. I have not been oblivious to the 'welcome home' stories by many Black GIs, that risked life in limb just appearing in Southern towns in military uniform at war's end. Consistent with scripture, I am compelled to forgive, but I am a fool to allow myself to forget and let others co-op and equivocate what  in fact happened and how we all find ourselves where we are, as if it never occurred.

                1. Live to Learn profile image82
                  Live to Learnposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                  lol

                  Talk about turning things around in your head and getting them screwed up right into the belief you want to hold. No one on these forums, whose comments I have read, has suggested anything of the sort. Sounds to me as if you aren't as willing to forgive as you claim. You weren't hurt by this. Your father was. You have no right to think you are in a position to offer forgiveness.

                  1. Credence2 profile image85
                    Credence2posted 2 months ago in reply to this

                    If you seriously considered my comments in past forums, you would have easily picked up on my point of view.

                    I never said anything about my father being hurt, it was the experience of WB. Things were simply not as bad for Black vets in 1953 as compared with 1946.

                    To think that I was not subjected to race prejudice during my life and career is naive. That was enough to PO me right there. But I won and they lost.... Diane spoke to you of much of that, were you listening?  A lot of it was subtle, did you pick it up? We all have reasons to forgive rather than hold grudges.

                    To simply deny and ignore America's sordid record in regard to racial matters, would that constitute true forgiveness by me from your perspective?

              3. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                "And for me, there can be no forgetting, and no forgiveness for such a crime against humanity, and the people I loved."

                A not unreasonable attitude, and quite common although it is far healthier to forgive rather than live a life of hate.

                But if one is going to live that life of hate and anger, should you not at least be demonizing those people that used the epithets at your father, the racists that he fought against?  Or are they all dead so the burden is shifted (at least in your mind) to anyone with a white skin?  That's what hate does, you know - grow and grow until it it is overwhelming and without any reason behind it. 

                Would your rants and actions both be far more effective against overt racism today - to take up the fight against the evil white men that discriminate against you or the people you identify with?  After all, dredging up long lost culture norms that are unacceptable today don't do much towards stopping such things - court action does.

          2. wrenchBiscuit profile image87
            wrenchBiscuitposted 2 months ago in reply to this

            I see you know nothing about the difficult life of a professional musician. But for the sake of argument,it has often been said that a man should learn to work smarter, not harder. However, that requires the man to be smart in the first place, which naturally precludes many Americans from following the path of least resistance. Furthermore, it is quite remarkable that you work such long hours, yet still have enough time to contribute to the conversation here on Hubpages. Quite remarkable indeed!

            1. Live to Learn profile image82
              Live to Learnposted 2 months ago in reply to this

              I own my own business. We aren't busy 24-7.

              I would also like to point out that a 'professional' artist is simply an individual hoping to make money doing what they enjoy doing. So, it's more like a hobby, really. Almost being retired. If I tallied the amount of hours I put in at the businesses and the amount of time I spend being creative then, damn, I work 16 hours a day 7 days a week.

              I didn't realize how industrious I was until I realized I could count the 'art' time as real work.

        3. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
          Kathryn L Hillposted 2 months ago in reply to this

          My advice for those who don't like it:  M O V E  O U T!

          Why stay?

          1. wrenchBiscuit profile image87
            wrenchBiscuitposted 2 months ago in reply to this

            http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13192076.jpg

            The Return of the Antibody

            After all of my commentary, you should have figured out by now that I "Moved Out" long ago. There are some things in life that are more "real" than others. For instance, we can all be certain that without food and water a  man will surely die. There can simply be no argument made to the contrary. And so, we can say with as much certainty as humanly possible, that the human need for food and water is "real". However, nationalism and borders are imaginary constructs that only exist in the mind of the believer. Outside of the human mind there is no such thing as America, or Europa. There is only the Earth, and the natural borders in the Earth; the mountains, the rivers, tributaries, and the oceans. That is all. I left the imaginary world of America when I freed my mind from mental slavery many year ago. We are here to reclaim the Earth; to reclaim our right to live as free men in the real world. And the real world has always been a free world.

            Based on Sumerian Cuneiform script,scientists have estimated that recorded human history dates back only 5,000 years. Keeping this in mind, the Earth has been estimated to be 4.54 "billion" years old! It is simply not reasonable to suggest that the fact that tyrants have subjugated one nation after another during this span of only 5,000 years is indicative of an inescapable aspect of human nature, as many would have us believe. In truth, it is only indicative of the last 5,000 years; a very short span of time. I am confident that there was a time when this evil did not exist, and I am also confident that it will not last much longer. Antibodies exist in the human blood stream to fight infection and disease. And what happens inside the human body is simply a microcosm of the greater universe. I am right where I am supposed to be.

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 2 months ago in reply to this

              Yes, there was a time it did not exist.  Before man arrived.

              Although, come to think of it, most animals are quite territorial as well and more than willing to protect their "nation" from interlopers.  Walk up to a goose's nest if you don't believe me.

  5. ahorseback profile image44
    ahorsebackposted 2 months ago

    Ya !  What we need in America is equal rights , equal pay for musicians , abstract artists ,  rap artists ,  side walk artists ,   mural painters  , after all  .  No one  , especially the rich , know what it's like to  have to try to sell your talents for a buck or two in tips !

    What we really need  is wealth re-distribution for the liberal artist !    We need a minimum pay of say
    $ 45.00 per hour for a musician ,   thirty for a graffiti artist  , twenty five for a sidewalk chalk painter .Maybe some free health care and  a food allowance .

    Or , we could just pick a real line of work , you know , one that would actually contribute  to something !

  6. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 months ago

    He doesn't mind the location, just the way its run. He wants Anarchy, (whatever that actually is, he can't say,) not the Democratic Republic stuff going on now. He thinks it was set up by evil white money grubbers with zero regard for the blacks and the oai people who they mistreated and stole the land from. I wouldn't mind all this "reality" pinpointing, if he would just tell us the antidote (for evil).
    … and don't say, "love."

    1. wrenchBiscuit profile image87
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 months ago in reply to this

      This comment you have made is very important, as it goes to the very heart of what this Forum topic is all about. And your comment, based on your history in these Forums, only further verifies Obama's assertion. Bravo! Now it appears we are working together at last.

      You commented: "...He wants Anarchy, (whatever that actually is, he can't say,) ..."

      Au contraire! I have explained at length in more than one thread here on Hubpages the true meaning of Anarchy. I have also explained that tyrants and their mindless subjects have perverted the term to suggest that Anarchy is synonymous with chaos, which it is not. Anarchy, from the original Greek, simply means without government, and just like democracies and socialist states, there is more than one flavor. I have also previously provided links to videos that explain Anarchy, as well as an audio book I have published on the subject. Yet, in spite of all the information I have freely offered, you have been unable to simply click on a link and educate yourself. On top of that you continue to make false statements about me. Did Obama really say Americans were lazy? Based on how many here have purposely distorted, and taken my commentary out of context, I am skeptical of the OP's claim. But even if Obama did say it, much of the commentary here adds validity to such a claim.

      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 2 months ago in reply to this

        The problem with Anarchy is there is no example that I know of where any society functioned effectively in anarchy. Could you share one? Without that, it is just as dangerous a concept as communism was when it was first put into place in a society. 

        I can see anarchy working within a community on a limited basis for a limited time but sooner or later some semblance of a governing body is going to form. Out of curiosity, how would a society in anarchy maintain infrastructure? Who determines who is responsible for what? Who determines what percentage of responsibility each should be held accountable for? And who would enforce it?

        1. ahorseback profile image44
          ahorsebackposted 2 months ago in reply to this

          The stupidity of those believing Anarchy can work  , is MOST evident in the middle astern countries of TODAY where people are ruled by tenth century tribalism    !  Where  heads are removed as punishments for certain crimes  , where women are half buried in the ground and  stoned to death .   Now someone please educate us on how  NO  government can be a solution to our problems and not a recipe for  the total annihilation  of the human race .

          This should be interesting !

        2. wrenchBiscuit profile image87
          wrenchBiscuitposted 2 months ago in reply to this

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          The general lack of understanding concerning Anarchist society stems from the fact that many falsely equate government with civilization. There would still be a rule of Law in an Anarchist society. But the fundamental difference would be that, except for crimes involving, theft, murder, robbery, or anything else that affected the well being of the community, there would be no laws that would threaten punitive action against the free citizen who chose not to follow the majority. For instance, punitive laws such as "seat belt" laws would be non-existent. And any taxes paid would be voluntary. Thus, we would witness communities based on trust as opposed to suspicion and distrust. Another example: at a fast food drive up window, the food wood be given to the customer before any exchange of money. Such seemingly innocent actions,such as demanding payment in advance, along with the extensive use of surveillance cameras, are insidious actions that only serve to fracture the community.

          But the most recent example of the evils of a so-called Democratic Republic, where the money actually decides policy, as opposed to the will of the people, is the tragedy in Flint Michigan. Such a tragedy could not have occured in a free Anarchist society. According to Micheal Moore: http://michaelmoore.com/10FactsOnFlint/


          "News of the poisoned water crisis in Flint has reached a wide audience around the world. The basics are now known: the Republican governor, Rick Snyder, nullified the free elections in Flint, deposed the mayor and city council, then appointed his own man to run the city. To save money, they decided to unhook the people of Flint from their fresh water drinking source, Lake Huron, and instead, make the public drink from the toxic Flint River. When the governor’s office discovered just how toxic the water was, they decided to keep quiet about it and covered up the extent of the damage being done to Flint’s residents, most notably the lead affecting the children, causing irreversible and permanent brain damage. Citizen activists uncovered these actions, and the governor now faces growing cries to resign or be arrested."



          Your challenge, that I provide proof of a successful Anarchist society, is like asking a 19th century woman how many professional business women, women scientists,doctors, and lawyers she knows of during an argument over womens rights. With the point being that women have never proven themselves of being useful for anything other than prostitution, housekeeping, and making babies. Of course such a question would be unfair considering the majority of women at that time had only been allowed to work at menial professions. Your question is equally unfair since the current oppressive system, which followed the previous oppressive world systems, has control of the entire world. And if you haven't noticed, the United States continues to be actively engaged in their Imperialistic pursuit of world domination. Only in the absence of such an oppressive and totalitarian world system would an Anarchist society be able to spread throughout the Earth and become the norm. How could this be done? First we need to understand how it "cannot" be done. It is not possible to violently overthrow such a powerful and evil force. Such an attempt could only have four possible outcomes, and all being undesirable.


          If a violent overthrow of this evil system were to be undertaken by anything less than an equally powerful force or nation, then two of the possible outcomes would be :

          1. suicide

          2. a perpetual terrorist action that would only result in more needless death and suffering, and a tightening of the noose by the oppressive authority, as we have seen played out during the last 20 years.

          If a violent overthrow were to be attempted by an equally powerful force or nation, here are the third and fourth possible outcomes:

          3. the replacing of an old tyrannical regime with a new tyrannical regime

          4. the total destruction of world civilization, and the possible annihilation of the entire human race.

          None of these possible outcomes is desirable. But we must still move away from tyranny and toward a more just, peaceful, and harmonious Anarchist society. How? In order to walk one needs only to put one foot in front of the other. The first step is education; an education that would serve to de-program and de-colonize. Without the proper education, nothing else can follow. But a lazy man will not seek an education beyond what is needed for him to satisfy his basic need for food and shelter, and his carnal desires. Consequently, I suspect a total destruction of mankind is imminent, as we are currently headed toward the fourth possible outcome, as I have indicated above. The only question is the day and the hour.

          1. Live to Learn profile image82
            Live to Learnposted 2 months ago in reply to this

            You didn't really answer my question. The first one, but we all know there are no examples of a functioning anarchistic society. I still don't see how we could get people to 'voluntarily' contribute to things such as roads, the building of schools, maintenance and upkeep of either, etc. etc. .etc. It all sounds utopian but the devil is in the details. This is the primary reason that I think one wouldn't work.

            A small example. We live on a private drive that has two other houses below us and one across our pond. When one of them was sold they demanded we sign a road maintenance agreement. We found that odd since my husband is the only one who has ever done any maintenance on the road, the only one who ensures everyone can drive out after snow storms, we are the only ones who had paid for gravel etc. When the time came to do some work on the road we tested out the agreement by texting all parties that a few loads of gravel were needed. What happened? Nothing. We proceeded as we always have because no one was willing to contribute. That's how your ideal would work out. Some would foot the bill or all would do without.

            I'm not certain what your beef is with paying for a meal at a drive up window before the food is sent out. You would pay for it anyway. Right? You wouldn't simply drive off. Right? So whether before or after, you would pay. That's like complaining that you have to run the water before you can take a bath.

            I don't see how a surveillance camera can be accused of fracturing the community. You aren't doing anything you don't want to be seen, are you?

            But, I do agree that many laws, such as seat belt laws, are over the top. I see them more as grasping for more revenue no matter what justification they give.

            1. wrenchBiscuit profile image87
              wrenchBiscuitposted 2 months ago in reply to this

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              No, it's not like "complaining you have to run the bathwater before you take a bath". That analogy would serve you better somewhere else. Running the bathwater is a private affair. What I am talking about is social interaction on a daily basis. It is a matter of respect. It is disrespectful to conduct business in such a way that the customer is assumed guilty until proven innocent. And someone doesn't have to be doing something wrong to be offended by constant surveillance, as this implies that every customer is a potential thief, and that every citizen walking down the sidewalk is a potential criminal. You obviously don't seem to mind Big Brother, but many of us do.

              A society where the majority rules is not a free society. A society where a ruling elite rule over the majority is even less. Freedom is more important than comfort or convenience. When a government puts the gun to a man's head and demands that he pay tribute, or else face punitive action, then that man is not living in a free country.

              The hypothetical presented here that some would willingly pay for public services in a system of Anarchy, while others would not, is a fiction that has been promoted by tyrants seeking to perpetuate the status quo and remain in power. Even in this Grand Oligarchy that continues to masquerade as a Democratic Republic, there are citizens who do not participate and pay their share of taxes. And this is old news. Many of these are the very rich who use tax loop holes. Others who do not pay are the very poor. This link illustrates how legal tax evasion has been elevated to an art form. http://www.topaccountingdegrees.org/taxes/

              We can expect that there would be more, not less people willing to contribute to the public infrastructure in a free system of Anarchy. This is because it has been shown that people take more interest, and have a greater sense of responsibility when they feel a sense of openness, inclusiveness, and solidarity in their communities, as opposed to the current situation where government has placed the citizen in an adversarial position. A man who is forced to pay tribute in the form of taxes, will at best only pay 100% of what has been demanded. But a man living in a free Anarchistic Society is likely to give 150%, or more, when given the freedom to choose. Anyone who has ever worked for a living understands that a man will always work harder, and take more pride in his work, when the man standing over him carries a smile instead of a whip.

              But aside from the rich using tax loopholes, millions of taxpayer dollars are literally stolen from taxpayers every year through the Federal Reserve and other corrupt government agencies. These bottom feeders  would not be able to function in a system of Anarchy, as every man would be accountable. Money would no longer be the measure, and justice would not be determined by a small penis and a very large bank account.

              In this 2009 video, Bernie Sanders asks the Fed who they gave "2.2 trillion of dollars" in taxpayer money to. Ben Bernanke refused to answer the question. In other words, the Fed is above the law and not accountable to the American taxpayer. This is what government does. Here a U.S. Senator exposes the evil, but 7 years later nothing has changed, and it's business as usual. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWXrMCGJT4

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    cuonghellomediaposted 2 months ago

    Hillary Clinton backtracked after calling American voters deplorable.

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      ahorsebackposted 2 months ago in reply to this

      Yet , when someone like Hillary speaks THIER version of a truth , WITH ALL OF HER SPEAKING HISTORY . There is no backing away from such a statement ,  maybe it's the Parkinson's , maybe it was  a Freudian Slip  ,  much like many of her lies and  tales  , she can't deny that she fully meant what she said !

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 months ago

    … perhaps you are ahead of your time, wB. I for one hope the system we have in place will be recognized for what it is. Good. I believe the only thing that could ruin this nation is the majority not appreciating/violating The Constitution. This system has benefitted many souls here in America and the majority of citizens are living like queens and kings compared to most of rest of the world.  Eventually, more and more people will realize they must live more simply in order to follow the laws of nature. Perhaps the Indigenous who are still here can assist us in this quest.

    Right now, the system is being abused. The politicians have become corrupt. The citizens have become expecting and coddled and welfare has perhaps contributed to this. The youth are pretty much being left to the state to raise, and pets are sneaking out to join those who rebel against cold hearted humans, out of sheer boredom. Yep, human and animal nature have put us in the situation we find ourselves in. Perhaps anarchy will be a better way as we advance in consciousness. But, at present time, it is my belief that this system is a good one if we just work with its basic tenets ... without over doing it, of course such as overburdensome taxation, arbitrary government regulations, punitive fines, and revenue collecting traffic violations, etc. We have freedom within boundaries based on the law and the need to maintain appropriate infrastructures.

    Q. Isn't it is possible that anarchy in the future will have the exact same problems we have today, based on ever fallible human nature?

  9. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 months ago

    wB wrote:
    "… the real world has always been a free world."
    ~ what is a "free world?" A world where everyone lives according to The Golden Rule.

                     R E A L L Y ? ? ?
               
                       lol  lol  lol

 
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