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  1. PrettyPanther profile image86
    PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago

    In the 2005 recording, Mr. Trump said: “You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful women—I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.…

    “And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.…Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything,” Mr. Trump added.

    Mr. Trump also referred to a married woman whom he said he tried to seduce: “I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it. I did try and f—her.…”

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trum … 1475886118

    Video here: https://youtu.be/24ofBPMC1h8

    My neighbor's Trump/Pence ground sign is gone this morning.

    1. Credence2 profile image85
      Credence2posted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

      Men do engage in a lot of locker room chatter like this. But you certainly keep it under wraps, why was he dumb enough to have it recorded?

      He just keeps digging himself into deeper holes. The lame fall back about what Bill Clinton said at a golf match is just an excuse. Bill Clinton is not running for President, he is. All of this plays right into Ms. Clinton's hands. Trump must be planning to lose, he continues to PO all the establishment to the point that they wish that Pence would take over for the topof the ticket.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

        The "boys will be boys" defense?

        Ground sign is back up next door.  Rationalization complete.  It took less than a day!  big_smile

      2. norlawrence profile image86
        norlawrenceposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

        I do not agree with Trump or even like him.  I think he is his own worst enemy because he does not know how to keep his mouth shut.  I do feel he has not been in politics so he is not corrupt yet like Clinton.  He does not have to make the special interests happy so maybe he would do a good job.  Who knows.  Clinton is corrupt and has to keep the people who have financed her campaign happy so she will not help the country or the people.  Take a look at who and what she has supported in the past.  At this point Trump is on his own.

        1. Credence2 profile image85
          Credence2posted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

          I understand your frustration with Trump. I just believe that corrupt people can exist well outside the realm of politics. Trump is one and whatever relief people believe that he would provide, I don't think exists. His wealth and affluence is a special interest in itself. So, who is he going to make happy?
          It is tough, but between two corrupt choices, I am going to select the one that does not bring so many additional negatives as does Donald Trump right now.

    2. tamarawilhite profile image88
      tamarawilhiteposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

      Let's put this in perspective.
      Bill Clinton was found guilty of having sex with an intern in the White House and accused  by multiple women of raping them. Trump never raped anyone or assaulted anyone.
      Hillary Clinton defended a man she knew raped a 12 year old, smeared the child as desperate for it, laughed about it and never apologized. This is compared to Trump's discussions that are tame compared to many rap videos.
      The Clinton's actions over the years are far worse than a decade old recorded conversation.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

        Maybe you should read through the entire thread. This has been covered.

        In a nutshell, Donald has been accused of rape and of participating in orgies with underage girls. These are unproven allegations. It is a fact that Donald cheated on all three of his wives. He has admitted it.

        It is a fact that Bill had multiple extramarital affairs. He has admitted it. The rape allegations remain unproven, same as the allegations against Donald.

        Donald is running for president. Bill is not. These are facts.

      2. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

        While I detest the woman, to denigrate her for the defense of a criminal is outrageous.   She was appointed by the court to perform an utterly necessary task of our justice system: the defense of a man, guilty or not, that was charged with a crime and to do so to the best of her ability.  To suggest that she should have refused, or to do less than her best, implies that we will no longer provide counsel for those that cannot afford it themselves.  We all recognize that money buys "not guilty" verdicts in too many cases and failing to provide the best defense possible would only exacerbate that very real problem.

        So Hillary Clinton is a disgusting example of what our politics has become but she did the right thing in giving her best to defend a criminal in court.

    3. Ken Burgess profile image80
      Ken Burgessposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

      Is this seriously worse than Hillary joking and laughing about getting a child rapist free from serious punishment?
      A 41-year-old factory worker named Thomas Alfred Taylor rapes a 12 year old girl in 1975. At the time, Clinton worked as a defense lawyer for Taylor, who pleaded “unlawful fondling of a minor” and “served less than a year in prison after Clinton was able to block the admission of forensic evidence that linked her client to the crime,” The Daily Mail reported.
      Recorded in the 1980s, an interview with Arkansas journalist Roy Reed has Clinton saying, “Do you remember that case where I represented that guy? It was a fascinating case. […] The guy was accused of raping a 12-year-old girl. Of course he claimed that he didn’t. All this stuff. He took a lie detector test. I had him take a polygraph, which he passed, which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs.” She then chuckles.
      To think Hillary Clinton is any LESS flawed a human being, or has any LESS dirt under her fingernails is delusional at best.  Anyone who thinks she is a good person, in comparison to Trump, is only lying to themselves.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

        More distortions and lies. I refer you to a previous post on the subject.

        http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2844986

      2. colorfulone profile image88
        colorfuloneposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

        +1
        http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13230030.jpg
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … uilty.html

        'Hillary Clinton is not for women and children,' says Kathy Shelton, 54, who was 12 years old when she was raped by Thomas Alfred Taylor in Arkansas

        Clinton was the rapist's defense lawyer,  pleading him down to 'unlawful fondling of a minor'

        The 41-year-old drifter served less than a year in prison

        The plea came after Clinton was able to block the admission of forensic evidence that linked her client to the crime

        Shelton says she's furious that Clinton has been portraying herself as a lifelong advocate of women and girls on the campaign trail

        Clinton accused Shelton of 'seeking out older men' in the case and demanded that she undergo a grueling court-ordered psychiatric examination

        The presidential candidate later laughed while discussing aspects of the case in a recently-unearthed audiotaped interview from the 1980s

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

          Did you read the Snopes article?

          My brother, who is a public defender, recently defended an accused serial pedophile who was found not guilty. My brother is a devout Christian who also believes in the rule of law and the constitutional right to a fair trial, which includes a good and rigorous defense. He did his constitutional duty even though he was pretty sure the guy was guilty.

          Do you believe in the constitutional right of every American to have a fair trial with a proper defense?

          1. Ken Burgess profile image80
            Ken Burgessposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

            I could never defend a SERIAL Pedophile, for any reason, under any circumstances... that is MY belief value, I care less what someone believes is their 'right'... someone HAS to defend the children who cannot defend themselves.

            A fair trial with a proper Defense does NOT mean you twist the law to protect a predator that preys on children. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION.

            Ask your brother if he feels any responsibility for the future victims of that animal after helping him find a loophole in the law... I would be curious what his answer is.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

              Well, aren't you just holier than thou. He was an accused serial pedophile. Innocent until proven guilty. He was found innocent by a jury of his peers.

              So many conservatives pretend to revere the Constitution, but are willing to ditch it when the going gets rough.

              1. Ken Burgess profile image80
                Ken Burgessposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

                Was he a SERIAL Pedophile or not?

                He was accused... but was he guilty of it in prior crimes?

                The way you write it, he was a serial rapist/pedophile who was again being brought up on charges.  And if he were a repeat offender then I stand by everything I stated... I could care less if you or anyone else puts the word of the law above doing what is right, and what protects innocent people, especially children.

                As YOU said he was pretty sure the guy was guilty... then that is on him, every victim there-after is on him, he helped put him back on the streets.  You don't help scum get back on the streets to do more harm, unless you have no true values, no sense of right or wrong.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                  PrettyPantherposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

                  So I'm right. You're a pretend conservative who doesn't value the constitution. Sometimes innocent people need a good defense. Who are you to decide who is worthy and who is not? That is why we are all entitled to a fair trial by jury. Thank goodness we have rational, principled people willing to stand up for our constitutional rights, even when it's not pretty.

                  I said accused serial pedophile.

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image80
                    Ken Burgessposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

                    If I were ignorant of how the law in our land works, if I were ignorant of how our judicial system works, your posts might be bothersome.
                    But your posts come across as hollow, and it seems you can't differentiate between constitutional rights, and how laws are applied and how defendants/criminals can often avoid the 'justice' they deserve by the simplest of errors of procedure, due process or any number of things, including a lawyer knowing certain loopholes or legal arguments that can aid in a criminals release, aid in evidence being withheld, aid in the real facts of the case never being heard by the Jury.
                    Any lawyer that knowingly uses the minutia of the law, to help violent and predatory criminals get back on the streets to harm more innocents, is in my book, as low a life form that exists in our world today.

            2. Sychophantastic profile image83
              Sychophantasticposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

              This talking point about Hillary Clinton laughing over the rape trial is a debunked talking point invented by the right-wing and is something imbeciles use to make up conspiracy theories. Once again, that the laughter had anything to do with getting a rapist free has been debunked, completely. If you continue to use that as the foundation for your stupid woman-hating theories, then you are completely stupid.

              1. Ken Burgess profile image80
                Ken Burgessposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

                Well stated articulate reply, very convincing.

                1. Sychophantastic profile image83
                  Sychophantasticposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Clinton was assigned to be the defendant's lawyer. She had an obligation to defend him and do the best she possibly could. The prosecution lost the case by mishandling evidence. A defendant, any defendant, no matter the crime, has a right to a defense. To argue otherwise is fundamentally un-American. To attack the defense lawyer for doing his or her job, is fundamentally un-American. To threaten to jail a political opponent is un-American. To establish a religious test for entry into the United States is un-American. When you support ideas that undermine the very core values of this country, then you are un-American.

                  1. ahorseback profile image51
                    ahorsebackposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Wow such hypocrisy  to be sooo offended by Trumpspeak   and yet ........its all just okay for Hilary Clinton,   that is all the eye opener that any conservative needs to see the  pure naïve  hypocrisy  of the left ,----------" Put the coal miners out of business ",     " Those women are just trash "  ,   " I have never intentionally lied to the American people "     " I  misremembered   what I was saying about my e -mails  .......blah blah blah . 

                    But to actually laugh in a recorded  interview about the rape of a twelve year old girl .......I think I understand  Hilary and her supporters  quite accurately,  thanks , I don't think I need your explanation .

                  2. Live to Learn profile image80
                    Live to Learnposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

                    What are you? The new McCarthy?

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              Stephanie Okoromaposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

              I couldn't agree more, none is better but right now, Donald Trump is the lesser of two evils.

          2. colorfulone profile image88
            colorfuloneposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

            Snopes is run by a husband and wife team - that's right, no big office of investigators scouring public records in Washington, no researchers studying historical stacks in libraries, no team of lawyers reaching a consensus on current caselaw. No, Snopes.com is just a mom-and-pop operation that was started by two people who have absolutely no formal background or experience in investigative research.

            Take anything these sites say with a grain of salt and an understanding that they are written by people with a motive to criticize all things conservative. Use them only to lead you to solid references where you can read their sources for yourself.
            http://accuracyinpolitics.blogspot.com/ … noped.html

            If Snopes is your source, you seriously need to learn how to Google and research for yourself.  FactChecker, Politifact, Wikipedia...all have editors who are contemptibly inept.  I have to say Wikipedia does have some excellent editors, but content gets rewritten too often.  They have editing wars on the site between editors.  Do yourself a favor... Find some reliable professional sources that aren't bias would be my advice.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

              And...your misinformation has already been debunked, if you care.

        2. MAGICFIVE profile image81
          MAGICFIVEposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

          Do the research.  Clinton never wanted that case.  She felt she had to take it.  The tape of her laughing - she was laughing at some of the preposterous circumstances of the case - republicans use the footage against her, easily manipulating minds that want to be manipulated.  Trump has an upcoming rape trial in December - a trial that alleges he raped a (then) 13 year old girl.  Another woman claims Trump grabbed and fondled her.  Do your research...please.

          1. colorfulone profile image88
            colorfuloneposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

            Which state, and which court.
            Trump vs Who?
            Case File #?

            I use to handled lawsuits as an attorney in fact and know how to research, but I need more to go on than hear say.

          2. Live to Learn profile image80
            Live to Learnposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

            Anyone can file a civil suit. The fact that this isn't a criminal case speaks volumes that Hillary enthusiasts choose to turn a deaf ear to.

            1. colorfulone profile image88
              colorfuloneposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

              Never mind that Hillary violated the Espionage Act according to what FBI Comey had to say, but she's above the law and still running for president.  The government is corrupt as hell. 

              Wink, wink wink 
              Bill isn't running for president, he isn't running, Bill isn't running for president, Bill isn't running...Hillary is!  My point.

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      frumpletonposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

      One thing I don't understand is why Republicans are termed as "conservatives" since Bush ran up our deficit from war.  Nearly every Republican president has promoted war at the expense of young people's lives and also for the cost of war tanks, guns, air planes, etc.  Republicans are narrow minded and don't think with their brain.  They just follow whoever their friends or boss follows.

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        frumpletonposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

        Trump seduces some because they are blinded by his flash of money, his 3rd. wife, his private jet with TRUMP written over it.  One Trump tower isn't enough for him -- he wants another one in Russia.  If he became president, he would be pouting because he won't get his own way with congress.  He can promise you anything but it's up to congress if you're going to get it

      2. Wade Ankesheiln profile image81
        Wade Ankesheilnposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

        Nearly every Republican president?  Really?  There have been 17 Republican presidents.  Only 4 of these were in office when major US wars were initiated. I don't know about you but I wouldn't call less than 25%, "nearly".  On the other hand Democrat presidents were in office for the beginning of 6 major US wars, including all, very costly 20th century wars, except one.  That's not something I got from one of my friends or my boss.  I read it in a history book. Excuse my narrow-mindedness but I believe facts trump (no pun intended) opinion.

    5. Irvin Watson profile image82
      Irvin Watsonposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

      The timing of that video's release was impeccable.

    6. jonnycomelately profile image86
      jonnycomelatelyposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

      Mr. Trump sounds like he has never grown out of childish ways.  Why would anyone with even a little bit of good sense ever consider voting for him to be President?

      1. ahorseback profile image51
        ahorsebackposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

        And you find so much more good character in the Clinton  machine ?    Right .    This timing factor  doesn't bother you at all ?    After  almost every conceivable negative about Hilary  has hit the wiki-leaks  pipeline all year  long ?

        This is about liberal for liberals ,  not honesty and good character and you know that

        1. jonnycomelately profile image86
          jonnycomelatelyposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

          "And you find so much more good character in the Clinton  machine ?"   Right?  No!   I did not say or imply that.  Your bias, not mine.   
          What I find disturbing is that within your American system you find it difficult to select a better choice of candidates.  Why is that?  Head-in-the-Clouds religiosity?  Rampant capitalistic commercialism?  Hollywood-style promotion of candidates, expecting them to have exemplary C.V.s?
          If "honesty and good character" were common traits surely it would (should) be easy to find good role models and elect them to office.
          You tell me.

          1. ahorseback profile image51
            ahorsebackposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

            Johnny because for one  , The ability to decipher good character and the quality of the person is  becoming a lost trait in America ,  from the age of 18  to thirty  and even beyond , leftists have brainwashed the young , the media .  Our governing bodies , each of them , congress , senate ,  the white house  are all now keyed into the entitlement phase of  government evolution  , give to the entity of the masses that scream the most !            What have you heard in the campaign for two years and longer here , Free college , free healthcare , free medicine , free  speech , ........are you starting to see the pattern ,............ Free?  Individual and independent though  is a waning ability in America ,we have passed the point of no return in America ,  there is too much focus on " me " , on image , on what can I get from government ,   Remember Kennedy's proclamation ,...."What I can  do for my country ..........."  have you heard that in the last couple of decades , I heard it then  but not lately ?
            http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13235091.jpg

            1. jonnycomelately profile image86
              jonnycomelatelyposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

              And you don't suppose the Righties, the self-righteous, heads-in-the-sand fundies, have tried to brainwash the young and the old alike?

              I agree that emphasis has been on welfare, and that there have been many cases where individuals abuse the system....out of laziness, greed, complacency, etc.

              But that should not preclude anyone from giving care and assistance to those who might be "down on their luck," often through no avoidable fault of their own.

              Because the converse, where the idea of hard work, smartness, good education, often a big bank account falling into one's lap, etc., contribute to a person's good life: these situations are seen as the correct way to have a life.  These characteristics actually lead to poverty.   

              So you might wish to examine your own life to see if any of my thoughts here fit in with your ideas.

  2. Live to Learn profile image80
    Live to Learnposted 8 weeks ago

    Very interesting. If your neighbor didn't know he was a bit of a pig where women were concerned before that; they must have simply wanted to ignore it until they had no other excuse.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

      I guess everyone has their limits. I don't think a means they support Hillary, though, just that they are embarrassed to publicly support Trump.

      1. Live to Learn profile image80
        Live to Learnposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

        I get that. Unfortunately, we have two choices. Bad choices to be sure but you have to chose one to support.

      2. norlawrence profile image86
        norlawrenceposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

        I think Trumps comments about women are terrible but this does not mean he will make a bad president.  Look at some of our other presidents and they did a good job.  Hillary has done thing that have put the country in danger and people have been killed because of her.  She is supported by special interests and she will have to do what they want.  Trump is not.  He is really the lesser of the to evils.

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          frumpletonposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

          Well, if he thinks women are terrible, why does he keep marrying them?

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        frumpletonposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

        Why does he wear makeup?  Can't even get the tone right.  Compare the color of his hands to his face.  Vanity?  If it was from a tanning booth, he would be the same color all over.  I used to sell makeup and I believe he wears it because he is vain and thinks he is great looking.  I think he is an ugly looking human (? maybe a human) but evidently, he thinks he's beautiful.  UGH!!!!

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

          Lol, while puzzling and repulsive, his orange face is not rational grounds to dismiss him as a candidate. We have plenty of other legitimate reasons, though.

    2. Stacie L profile image89
      Stacie Lposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

      I think he was married to Melania at that time....roll

      1. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

        Yes.

      2. Live to Learn profile image80
        Live to Learnposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

        I don't really know anything about Trump's wives. I know he has  been married several times. I'm not certain what which wife would have to do with these comments.

        Honestly, I suppose I should look into it as to context and company. Guys talk a lot of trash with guys.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

          I suppose you should. big_smile

          1. Live to Learn profile image80
            Live to Learnposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

            Heck. Look at all the sludgeHillary supporters overlook, rationalize, pretend doesn't exist and damn those who dare comment on it. Should they begrudge the same behavior from a trump supporter?

            I think not. smile

            1. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

              I don't begrudge it at all.  To each his own.  Just pointing it out.  Gotta balance out the 15 political threads started by the dynamic duo somehow.  By the way, I didn't actually count, just pulled a number out of my arse.  Trumpeters don't mind that sort of thing.  big_smile

              1. Live to Learn profile image80
                Live to Learnposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

                Balance is good.

  3. PrettyPanther profile image86
    PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago
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      frumpletonposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

      Trump is in love with himself.  He can't even commit to one marriage, 2 and now he's on the 3rd.  Once he gets bored, or no one adores him (which I don't) he will probably quit if elected and blame it on someone else.  I doubt if he ever worked hard like the rest of us.  Can't stand him

  4. Lisa Santos profile image43
    Lisa Santosposted 8 weeks ago

    trump is not good leader

    1. Live to Learn profile image80
      Live to Learnposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

      Ditto concerning Hillary.

  5. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 8 weeks ago

    We are living in an era  of politically corrected behavior and such offended attitudes by everyone !  What's the big deal   , is someone  going to tell me that men AND women don't engage in locker room behavior and talk  and banter ? Please  who here is holier than thou ?   
    We are also in an era where , NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE AS A CELEBRITY  , you're right next to an open phone line , camera  , video cam , someone  specifically looking to nail you for something juicy !

    I really get a kick out of women  who are so offended by this Trump talk , yet the utter  hypocrisy of the Clinton whoring machine   is JUST ALL OKAY ?  Please , grow up !

    1. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

      Who here is holier than thou? No one. Who here is running for president? No one.

      1. Live to Learn profile image80
        Live to Learnposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

        It is funny that democrats screamed that Bill's indiscretions weren't relevant and bringing them up was a witch hunt by a vast right wing conspiracy.

        Can I assume this complaining about Trump's is a vast left wing conspiracy?

        It would be fair and balanced. No?

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

          That vast right wing conspiracy quote is from the 90s. You will never hear me say anything like that. Who has?

          Are you suggesting that an actual video of Trump bragging about pussy grabbing is the same as unproven accusations of the Clintons murdering 90+ people?

          1. Live to Learn profile image80
            Live to Learnposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

            You've never heard me suggest the Clintons have murdered ninety plus people. But, it does make sense for you to comment on the ludicrous while carefully avoiding the real problems that are documented.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

              Are you talking about Bill's documented problems? He is not running. Hillary is flawed, but she has survived investigation after investigation intact. And she has the knowledge and temperament to be president, unlike Little Donnie.

        2. Credence2 profile image85
          Credence2posted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

          If Bill's indiscretions were evident during the time he campaigned for the office, he might well have expected the same angst or even more, now that his candidacy is almost 25 years into the past.

          I am not saying that Bill walked on water, but to have this come out on Trump at this time, allowing this sort of information to complicate his candidacy is not smart.

          1. Live to Learn profile image80
            Live to Learnposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

            LOL. Bill's indiscretions were evident. It didn't matter to the left.

            The double standards never cease.

        3. norlawrence profile image86
          norlawrenceposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

          There is one thing everyone is forgetting and that is the media is for Hillary.  She can do anything and it is played down or okay.  Trump does something and it is the end of the world.  I think his comments about women are horrible but they are news.  This is an election for President not for Sainthood.

      2. ahorseback profile image51
        ahorsebackposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

        I find it so interesting that you can instantly judge  a recording of the locker room bantering of Trump , but your apparently to politically shallow or something  to judge Hilary's ACTUAL history and  her PROVEN  war against  women ? 

        Please specifically answer for that !

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

          Proven war against women? I know of not a single policy advocated or voted for by Hillary Clinton that would constitute a war on women. Republicans on the other hand? No doubt.

          1. norlawrence profile image86
            norlawrenceposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

            Maybe not.  She did have a lot to do with 4 people getting killed in Benghazi.  We will never get an true answer of her guilt in our life time.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

              She has been cleared by multiple investigations. What does that have to do with an alleged war on women?

              1. norlawrence profile image86
                norlawrenceposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

                So sorry Pretty Panther.  Please accept my apology.  I put my comment in the wrong place.  I am not an expert like your are.  Thank you.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                  PrettyPantherposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

                  No worries.. smile

                  And I am not an expert, but I appreciate the sentiment.

            2. Kathleen Cochran profile image85
              Kathleen Cochranposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

              norlawrence:  If you don't know the truth on Benghazi after a dozen investigations and congressional hearings, you don't want to know.

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      frumpletonposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

      These men who make responses like it's o.k. for Trump to victimize us women  just want it like in the cave man days.  Well, buddy, it's been about 65,000,000 since the dinosaur age

  6. Onusonus profile image88
    Onusonusposted 8 weeks ago

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    1. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

      Is Bill running for president? No, but Little Donnie is.

      1. Onusonus profile image88
        Onusonusposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

        Just the lady who attempted to cover it up.

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        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

          Some of those are accurate depictions of Hillary's positions. Some are not  You forgot "I support knowledge and ability over an ignorant overgrown toddker.. That would be accurate.

          1. Onusonus profile image88
            Onusonusposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

            Actually you support incompetence and corruption over a guy who says mean things.

            https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqeftOFUAAAOirj.jpg

            1. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

              Lol, more inaccurate pretty pictures from those who apparently are unable to write their own thoughts.

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              frumpletonposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

              If someone says mean things, then what about the mean things they don't talk about?  Wouldn't surprise me if Trump has hookers in his casinos and ties them up

              1. Onusonus profile image88
                Onusonusposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

                Prove it.
                https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14449713_1044872835640730_688423564126622084_n.jpg?oh=bf45c9c16403f1183fb66644d22deca1&oe=589D6D7B

      2. norlawrence profile image86
        norlawrenceposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

        I really do not see what Trumps actions have to do with anything in an election for President.  I do not agree with them and I think they are terrible.  If Trump was an average person they would never have been recorded.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

          I personally don't care about Donnie's affairs. That is between him and Melania. However, there is a highly vocal faction on the political forums who want to hold Hillary accountable for Bill's sexual allegations. And Bill is not running for president.

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            frumpletonposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

            It's obvious Trump can't keep his zipper shut since he's on his 3rd trophy wife not to mention his hookers, too

  7. IslandBites profile image86
    IslandBitesposted 8 weeks ago

    The left complaining:

    “I am sickened by what I heard” - Paul Ryan

    "These comments are repugnant and unacceptable in any circumstance" - Mitch McConnell

    “I will not and cannot support a candidate for president who brags about degrading and assaulting women" - Kelly Ayotte

    "Donald Trump's behavior this week, concluding with the disclosure of his demeaning comments about women and his boasts about sexual assaults, make it impossible to continue to offer even conditional support for his candidacy." - John McCain

    “As a husband and a father, I was offended by the words and actions described by Donald Trump" - Mike Pence

    "Donald Trump should withdraw and Mike Pence should be our nominee effective immediately." - John Thune

    "Character matters.Trump is obviously not going to win. But he can still make an honorable move:
    Step aside & let Mike Pence try."- Ben Sasse

    "This is not just a matter of what has happened within the last 24 hours. This is a matter of what's happened over the course of frankly the last two years. There was always -- somehow maybe the guy will change -- there's been no change. It's gotten worse" - John Kasich

    1. Credence2 profile image85
      Credence2posted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

      Gee, I thought that all these folks were of the conservative GOP type, funny?

      1. IslandBites profile image86
        IslandBitesposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

        smile


        But in all seriousness,
        Watching tv, I was sorry for some of his surrogates. They tried, but they were so ashamed, almost speechless. LOL It was sad.

      2. GA Anderson profile image87
        GA Andersonposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

        Well there you are then... conservatives that don't agree with Trump. Do you wonder about your other thoughts too?

        GA

        1. colorfulone profile image88
          colorfuloneposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

          +1

        2. Credence2 profile image85
          Credence2posted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

          The problem is that Trump is doing far too well among the conservatives that do support him.

          1. GA Anderson profile image87
            GA Andersonposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

            Now grasshopper, you must focus... your answer is not in the who... it is in the why.

            You might recall a conversation we had early in Trump's campaign, before the primaries. Even then the question should have been why he had supporters, rather than who those supporters were. But when he did not crash and burn in the primaries - the attention was still on the who. Tsk. Tsk.

            Everyone is so focused on the messenger that they are ignoring the message.

            ps. I have another great read recommendation that I think you would really enjoy, "FDR A Biography" by Ted Morgan. I am less than half through and just entering his first presidential win in 32'. You gotta read this one Credence2. Morgan is no hack, it is an excellently sourced book.

            Here's a non-affiliated link for FDR - A Biography Used hardcover. You can get it for $4 - $10 total.

            GA

            1. Credence2 profile image85
              Credence2posted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

              GA, I say that the who among the Trump supporters is closely correlated with the why.

              Red Alert!!!

              I disagree with your assessment that Trump is merely an expression of frustration with politics and the political process as it is today. I think Trump is just a 21st century version of George Wallace, he too, gave voice to the more base of our electorate. No candidate in modern times has  been so unqualified and coarse. He has nothing else to promote him.

              Thanks for the book recommendation, I will check it out.

              1. colorfulone profile image88
                colorfuloneposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

                Political science professor Lichtman: "The Keys to the White House" is a historically based prediction system. I derived the system by looking at every American presidential election from 1860 to 1980, and have since used the system to correctly predict the outcomes of all eight American presidential elections from 1984 to 2012.  He predicts Trump will win in 2016. 
                https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the … correctly/

                But, Trump could break his mojo and lose.  It really is uncertain.  The professor thinks Trump is a generic Republican like none other before, whatever that means.  Read his model if you are interested.

              2. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

                LOL  The funny thing is that I, and I think others, view Hillary not as another Wallace but as a 21st century J Edgar Hoover. From the WIKI file on Hoover:

                "secretive abuses of power". "exceeded the jurisdiction of the FBI", "used the FBI to harass political dissenters", "amass secret files on political leaders", "collect evidence using illegal methods", "amassed a great deal of power and was in a position to intimidate and threaten", "Hoover transformed the FBI into his private secret police force",

                "However, Richard Nixon was recorded as stating in 1971 that one of the reasons he did not fire Hoover was that he was afraid of reprisals against him from Hoover."

                All of this sounds way too close to what I see in Hillary Clinton.

                1. Credence2 profile image85
                  Credence2posted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

                  I had to comment, Hoover pretty much had so many President's shaking in their boots. He intimidated the Kennedys, even as Robert was his boss as Attorney General. Hoover still was using Bull Connor and George Wallace's approach to civil rights issues. Nixon saw Hoover as an anachronism from a by gone era, and certainly was somewhat relieved at his death toward the end of his first term.

                  But I loved the guy during the G-man days of the thirties in the Bureau's pursuit of the roving gangsters during the period.

                  I doubt that anybody could wield that kind of influence, again.

                  1. wilderness profile image97
                    wildernessposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

                    I truly don't see Hillary as that far removed from that kind of influence, and it grows almost daily.  That's my biggest gripe with her - her failed socialistic policies pale in comparison.

              3. GA Anderson profile image87
                GA Andersonposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

                I can understand why, from a Progressive perspective, you would see them that way.  We all filter through the lens of our own perspective. I think the "why" is more important, and less tied to Trump than the "who."

                I hope Hillary won't mind if I borrow her "baskets of deplorables." (but not the "half" part)

                I think there is some truth to her words. (I also understand Hillary has her own basket of deplorables - that is not the point). I think Trump has a solid core base that does fit the worst descriptions put out by the Democrats, but, I have never believed that base was large enough to propel Trump forward.

                I even think I could step into your progressive view and see the Trump you are seeing. And if I did, then the size of Trump's core base is very important. How did we ever get here?

                What happened? Did a ton of those other uneducated white rednecks come down out of the mountains? Did the base that believes as Trump does explode with conversions due to his public presence? I don't think so.

                I think the angry voter justification, that you discounted, is a primary motivator, along with the any-body-but-Hillary and nose-holder voters. I think that is the expanding non-base that is behind him now.

                That are several "whos" now. But there is still only one why. Why would those formerly rational angry voters do something as apparently irrational as get behind Trump?

                GA

                1. Credence2 profile image85
                  Credence2posted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

                  I would not like to think that Clinton's descriptions of Trump supporters were all inclusive. As for that base not being large enough to propel Trump forward, maybe it is. There were plenty of GOP competition for the nomination among those that were more mainstream, ideologically relevant, more knowledgeable, etc. So, why Trump, was political incorrectness so important relative to all these other factors? What kind of people seek to discard all the rules of decorum and would be attracted to him?

                  We may very well be seeing the creation of a third party candidate in Trump, de facto, as he may well divert from doctrinaire GOP policy positions sufficiently enough to differentiate him and his supporters from the GOP establishment. I have to question the timing of the 'fed up' status of Trump supporters. They have had reason to be 'fed up' long before now.

                  Those of the corporate class, as Trump is, are just as corrupt as any politician and will simply desire to skew the system to the advantage of himself and others like him from the inside. Is he a working man's champion, poppycock!

                  I try to step into the conservatives view and looking at the values that they confess, why someone as misrepresenting as Trump? Clinton is still a weak candidate, why support someone on your side with more baggage than she?

                  You obviously do not need to be adorned in white sheets, or a card carrying member of Aryan Nations, to harbor and be attracted to Trumps xenophobic  message and politics of exclusion and harrassment to some degree. This is obviously the case, who in modern times can say the things he does and his support among his followers rise?

                  1. GA Anderson profile image87
                    GA Andersonposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

                    You are right cred. I winced when I saw how I described his core base supporter. I did not mean to imply his whole base was in that basket.

                    Your example of the GOP competitors could be in support of my thoughts about the why. They could have been just as you suggested, if they weren't all politicians. Through the mix of reasons someone might support Trump, from skinheads to moderates, there is one common thread - anger at politicians.

                    Consider the primary candidates. I saw them all as pretty much the same on issues - in varying degrees, but each with their own signature twist. And, each with some sort of base supporter. Some even tried to out-Trump Trump, in both positions and anti-PC behavior. So there was almost certainly one of them to fit most conservative voters, someone they could move to support.  But that did not happen, and I think the reason is the angry voter. And the extreme anti-Hillary sentiment. Both parties have their extreme voters and their anybody-but-the-other guy factions - but only one side has the angry voter wave. (At least I don't recall a ton of Democrat anti-government, anti-establishment sentiment among the news)

                    I think that if the angry voter did not exist, Trump would not have survived the primaries. But he did, and now those that would not support him if they had another choice, (as you would not support Hillary if you had Bernie for a choice), are bracing themselves to accept  a 'the end justifies the means' surrender.

                    That is Trump's voter. The strength of the anger vote could put Trump in the White House. But nobody is paying attention to the message - voters so angry they are even willing to accept a governmental crash and burn. They are too busy trying to define the who to understand the why.

                    GA

  8. IslandBites profile image86
    IslandBitesposted 8 weeks ago

    WARNING: The real Trump, his actual words
    ( lol I had to)

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/08/polit … index.html

    Newly uncovered audio of demeaning conversations Trump held over a 17-year period with radio shock-jock Howard Stern. The topics discussed included his daughter Ivanka's physique, having sex with women during their menstrual cycles, threesomes, infidelity and checking out of relationships with women after they turn 35.

    Yuck!

  9. IslandBites profile image86
    IslandBitesposted 8 weeks ago

    Jason Chaffetz became the first sitting Republican congressman to pull his support for Trump.

    "Enough! Donald Trump should not be President. He should withdraw." - Condoleezza Rice

    Trump has "forfeited the right to be our party's nominee." - Lisa Murkowski

    Alabama Rep. Martha Roby said Saturday she will not vote for him.

    Alabama's Republican governor, Robert Bentley, said in a statement he cannot and will not vote for Donald Trump."

    Maine Sen. Susan Collins reiterated her stance that she is "still not voting for Hillary, and still plans to write in someone."

    Ohio Sen. Rob Portman issued a statement Saturday night in which he pulled his support and said he would instead vote for Pence.

    Donald Trump's statements are beyond offensive & despicable. While I cannot vote for Hillary Clinton, I will not vote for Trump. - Utah Gov. Gary Herbert

    1. gmwilliams profile image84
      gmwilliamsposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

      WELL, the WRITING HAS BEEN ON THE WALL FOR A VERY LONG TIME............If your own party is distancing itself from you, you are in DEEP..............
      http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/12049372.jpg

      Trump is falling......falling............ He's NOT going to be president.  He is a master of hoof-and-mouth disease.  He is also exhibiting a talent for self-sabotage.  His ego is going to hurt, even destroy his chances of securing the presidency.  Well, N-E-X-T......

    2. Live to Learn profile image80
      Live to Learnposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

      Of course the right would condemn it. As they have when it is displayed on the left. The left only chooses to condemn such when displayed by the right. They claim right wing conspiracy when such conduct is exposed on the left.

  10. Rochelle Frank profile image89
    Rochelle Frankposted 8 weeks ago

    I am not the first person to wonder if Democrats infiltrated the Republican party to put someone forward who would  dismantle their opposition.

    I am a Republican-leaning “independent”— and I have really tried to like Donald Trump, but it is difficult.

    When it came to the primary vote, I checked Ben Carson, but being a Californian  I knew it didn’t make much difference what Republican votes were here. Our state  is  Democrat.

    If Trump entered the contest to attract, rally and arouse all of those who are dissatisfied with the status quo, is he now trying to make those voters so disgusted with his behavior that they will not even vote?   If so, Clinton will win by default.

    Trump is not listening to anyone’s advice. He is being his ”own man” no matter what the  consequences. Is this the way he would run his presidency? Like a dictator who’s main concern is about what opponents think of him personally?

    Maybe he has decided he doesn’t really want the responsibility of the presidency. Maybe he never did.
    Maybe he’s just doing exactly what the Dems  (and he, himself) wanted.

    ”You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.”*

    *This  familiar saying has long been  attributed to Abraham Lincoln as part of a speech given in September 1858 .(Ironically the speech was in Clinton, Illinois), but the “quote” is said not to be a part of the text printed in newspaper  reports of the event.)

    Is Trump’s ambition to be the one who finally fools all of the people and helps his “former friend”  into the White House?

  11. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 8 weeks ago

    We're getting close to Trump winning , watch the election polls !   

    DEMOCRATS EVERYWHERE , KEEP THROWING IT ALL AGAINST THE WALL AND SEE IF IT STICKS ! AND YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN BY IT ALL !

    But show us one thing , one thing , one thing , of true importance that defines the equal  severity of Hilary's TREASONOUS offences !

  12. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 8 weeks ago

    http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13228036.png


    http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13228039.jpg

    Maybe Hilary supporters can defend these , No ?   Maybe its just time to just be quiet and vote for the most immoral   woman ever !   There is a huge difference between talk and doing !

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    Shania1posted 8 weeks ago

    The neighbor was probably astonished and shocked to hear of what he had tried to do with a young woman , when he was probably married at the time. It might not have gone along with her morals and values as a christian woman.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

      I think you are right.

  14. PrettyPanther profile image86
    PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago

    NEWS FLASH: Donald Trump has been accused of rape. He has also been accused of participating in orgies with underage girls. These accusations and rumors have been floating around for years.The difference between a Hillary supporter and the Trumpeters on these forums is that we don't constantly post photoshopped images with fabricated quotes and unproven innuendo over and over again. We don't have 15 threads of nonsense with links to the left-wing version of Infowars.

    Mostly, we spend our time responding to posts about Bill, who is not running for president. If I were sleazy and information-challenged I could post a long list of links to articles and videos about Donald raping, philandering, and ogling and having sex with underage girls.

    He is just as bad as Bill. The thing is, Bill is not running for president and Donald IS.

    So, show me where Hillary raped or sexually assaulted anyone. It is ludicrous to hold Hillary more accountable for Bill's transgressions than to hold Donald accountable for his own.

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

      Well, it took longer than expected, but it has finally happened - Trump is now automatically considered guilty of anything he is accused of, by anyone and everyone that doesn't like him.  Politics as usual, I guess.

      (Did it occur to you that if "These accusations and rumors have been floating around for years." yet there has never been a conviction on any of them that they just might not be true?)

      1. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

        Yes, of course, but you can say the same about the accusations against Bill, and Bill is not running for president but Donald IS. That is my point.

        I personally am not voting against Trump because of sexual allegations against him. I believe him to be dangerously stupid about foreign policy and temperamentally unfit to be president.

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

          I see.  If one is running for president then all accusations are considered true without need for such hassles as a trial.  If, anyway, the candidate is from the other party.

          Sorry, PP, but you have jumped onto the mud wagon with both feet with this one.  Throwing mud at the candidate you don't like, and mud that as far as anyone knows is pure fabrication to boot.  For shame!

          1. PrettyPanther profile image86
            PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

            Show me where I threw mud.

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

              "NEWS FLASH: Donald Trump has been accused of rape. He has also been accused of participating in orgies with underage girls."

              " If I were sleazy and information-challenged I could post a long list of links to articles and videos about Donald raping, philandering, and ogling and having sex with underage girls. "

              "It is ludicrous to hold Hillary more accountable for Bill's transgressions than to hold Donald accountable for his own."

              1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

                Really? Pointing out that Trump also has allegations floating out there, in response to repeated posts about 20-year-old allegations against Bill, who is not even running for president, is mudslingng? Really?

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Pointing out allegations[/i] and then coupling it with Donald's [b]transgressions most certainly is.  And so is posting unsupported allegations, for that matter.  IMHO, of course - you may feel that repeating such things is a viable method of influencing voters too stupid to understand that allegations are a dime a dozen and much easier to produce than actual facts.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                    PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Again, you are ignoring the point I was making by bringing up the allegations.

      2. IslandBites profile image86
        IslandBitesposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

        That's interesting. 

        I guess that's why she didn't called him a rapist. Same with Bill, right?

        And Hillary?

    2. Live to Learn profile image80
      Live to Learnposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

      I, for one, am not holding Hillary responsible for Bill's transgressions. Her transgressions are enough to not want her for president.

      My point is that the left doesn't cry out when anyone on the left is found to have some deviant morals. They just want to cry out when they are exposed on the right. If Bill was OK with everyone (and he was) why in the world do they have a problem with Trump?

      It's hypocrisy.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

        Sigh... Show me one thread on these forums where the left brought up accusations of rape and underage sex orgies against Donald, complete with photoshopped images and fabricated captions and links to insaneleftwingnutjobs.com.

        1. Live to Learn profile image80
          Live to Learnposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

          Didn't you just bring it up in this thread?

          1. PrettyPanther profile image86
            PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

            Now, I believe you are being deliberately obtuse. Of course I brought it up to show that allegations exist on both sides but one side on these forums is yammering on and on about Hillary's husband while the other has remained silent about Donald's allegations. It's called comparison and contrast.

            1. IslandBites profile image86
              IslandBitesposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

              Not only that. That same side, keeps stating as a fact those allegations about Bill, but then whine when someone ask them if their guy should be treated by the same logic.

              1. Live to Learn profile image80
                Live to Learnposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

                lol lol  You guys are hilarious. I believe much of Bill's behavior is common knowledge and not 'allegations'.  Remember the need to define what is is? He did not have sex with that woman but there certainly were some suspicious stains on that dress.

                Seriously. Why do any of you care if Trump said something, or not. No one cares that Bill did something or not. The only problem I see is that someone who identifies as a Republican and is running for office said something. If he were a democrat you guys would be arguing the other side of the point.

                Hypocrisy, thy name is democrat.

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

                  If Billy was convicted of lying when he said he didn't have sex (and he was), then the inescapable conclusion is that he DID have sex. 

                  That's not an allegation - it's a fact.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                    PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Yes, the Monica Lewinsky affair is a fact The rape allegations are still allegations.

                    By the way, Donald has admitted to cheating on his many wives. Not that it matters one whit to me. wink

                  2. Live to Learn profile image80
                    Live to Learnposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

                    I agree although I still see a lot of people who identify as democrat arguing that point.

                2. PrettyPanther profile image86
                  PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

                  The MonicaLewinsky affair is a fact. The heinous consensual relationship was admitted to by both Bill and Monica.

                  The rape charges are allegations, just like the allegations that Donnie participated in orgies with underage girls. I treat them both as allegations. How is that hypocritical?

                3. IslandBites profile image86
                  IslandBitesposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

                  The allegations aren't about Monica.

                  How many posts are in Hubpages about Bill being a rapist, abuser? And, isn't that one of Trump's arguments against Hillary? Clearly, someone "cares" about what he did (or didnt).

                  I guess all the politicians mentioned in this thread are democrats. roll

                  Btw, Im not a democrat and I dont even like Hillary. lol

                  1. Live to Learn profile image80
                    Live to Learnposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

                    I haven't read any of those posts. Not saying they don't exist because there are some whoppers of accusations going around.

                    So you know, I'm an independent. Don't like either candidate. Gotta vote for someone and that someone just can't be Hillary.  I simply think it is ridiculous to see complaints (valid complaints) followed up by threads that can easily garner the same complaints.

            2. Live to Learn profile image80
              Live to Learnposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

              If you are accusing me of yammering I think you are being willfully obtuse.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

                No, you're not a yammerer. Just another Clinton hater. smile

                1. Live to Learn profile image80
                  Live to Learnposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Oh, that might be too harsh. I don't hate her. I am disgusted by her and amazed at her audacity; but hate? I think not.

      2. colorfulone profile image88
        colorfuloneposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

        Well, in PRETTYPANTHER's defense, she has never said she isn't a hypocrite, not that I know of, SO it must be ok.  lol

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

          What? No photoshopped image of Hillary ogling Huma's boobs? You're falling down on your job.

  15. Credence2 profile image85
    Credence2posted 8 weeks ago

    Isn't that the same attitude that the right displays toward Clinton? So what makes Trump the sole victim of the mudslinging?

  16. colorfulone profile image88
    colorfuloneposted 8 weeks ago

    http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13228339.jpg

  17. colorfulone profile image88
    colorfuloneposted 8 weeks ago
    1. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

      Lol, the good soldier rallies to the cause.

  18. IslandBites profile image86
    IslandBitesposted 8 weeks ago

    "This thread is about *Trump*"

    No? lol

    http://blog.ldiagent.com/wp-uploads//2012/11/ConvenienceRoadSign.jpg

    1. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

      LOL

  19. IslandBites profile image86
    IslandBitesposted 8 weeks ago

    More Than 150 Republican Leaders Don’t Support Donald Trump.

    Ouch!

  20. Onusonus profile image88
    Onusonusposted 8 weeks ago

    https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14572427_1299447653451843_2628534733057140536_n.jpg?oh=37fba3d5bb075e1425401bd9b7e4f718&oe=586C3779

  21. Onusonus profile image88
    Onusonusposted 8 weeks ago

    https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/14572943_1783177558590261_7571969512204526009_n.jpg?oh=8a36b1f3500642b85ac3d615d5de0f79&oe=586FF133

    1. colorfulone profile image88
      colorfuloneposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

      This explains it!

      http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13228700.jpg

      1. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

        Oh yes, that explains it. roll

    2. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

      The brilliance of your commentary is blinding. Still don't have an original thought of your own?

      1. Onusonus profile image88
        Onusonusposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

        You think what you are saying is original? LOL! Let me tell you something; nothing being said in this forum is not already being said on a thousand internet forums across the nation. The media is guiding this conversation, and you and I  are taking part in it. You and I are just tally numbers for the right and left.

        Even when you have no rebuttal you go for the same old character assassination points that every other person on the left plays over and over like a broken record. Let me ask you this, when's the last time you debated a conservative without thinking that they were a racist, sexist, homophobe? That's a rhetorical question, so before you answer you might as well keep it to yourself because everybody already knows the answer. 

        So while you're thinking that one over, have another meme.

        http://fk9913znn4cbb6cf4e6a0z1d.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/hillary-email.jpg

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

          I have debated wilderness, GA Anderson, mrpopo, livetolearn, and gmwilliams, all of whom I respect greatly. I have not called anyone here a racist, sexist homophobe, so are you saying you can read my thoughts? Where did you get that?

          Oh, that's right. You don't want an answer because then you might have to prove your assertion. I challenge you to provide any evidence that proves I believe any of the above people are racist, sexist homophobes.

          BTW, I like your pretty picture.

          1. Onusonus profile image88
            Onusonusposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

            I'm going to put you down for; Does not follow written instructions.

            https://therealstrategy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/hcs6.jpg

            1. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

              big_smile

            2. Onusonus profile image88
              Onusonusposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

              BTW
              Here you are defending Democrats use of the race card to garner votes.
              http://hubpages.com/politics/forum/4143 … tain-power

              1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

                Wow, you went back six years! Here is the exchange for anyone who is wondering:

                POPPA BLUES WROTE:
                The article points out that the left promotes the idea that America is a racist country, that the republicans are racists, in order to garner the minority vote, without which they wouldn't be able to hold onto power. It isn't about black racism, it's about the left using racism as a tool, promoting the idea that republicans, and the Tea Party, and conservatives are racists to get votes for themselves. What can be more racist than that?

                PRETTY PANTHER WROTE:
                I have no doubt that some in the left use racism in America, and particularly racism among Tea Party members and Republicans, as a way to encourage those who care about racism to vote Democratic.  That is not racist; that is simply highlighting one significant difference between the two parties so that people can make an informed decision about who they want to represent them

                -------------
                Am I defending the use of the race card? You all can be the judge, but I don't think so. Pointing out real racism within a political party is not using the race card.

          2. mrpopo profile image89
            mrpopoposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

            I appreciate being included in that list. I can see I'm in good company.

            The feeling is mutual, by the way.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

              Thank you. smile

  22. IslandBites profile image86
    IslandBitesposted 8 weeks ago

    “There is nobody who holds any position of responsibility who in private conversations views Donald Trump as equipped mentally, morally and intellectually to be the president of the United States. But scores of Republican leaders have failed a fundamental test of moral courage and political leadership in not speaking truth to the American people about what is so obvious.” said Steve Schmidt, a veteran GOP strategist.

    “Everything Trump touches dies,” said Republican consultant Rick Wilson.

    “Since Day One, I have been waving these giant red flags in front of people saying, ‘No, no, no, don’t go down this road because this road leads to our party being very tainted and a candidate who’s dangerously unfit to be president,’ but people went storming ahead down that road anyhow,” said Katie Packer, a former Romney.

    “They bought the ticket knowing there wouldn’t be enough life rafts once the ship hit the iceberg. We knew that no one who has gotten involved with Donald Trump in his personal life, in his professional life or in his political life has come out of that for the better. No one. So why any of our aspiring political leaders thought that they could survive being associated with him and grow from that is beyond me", said John Weaver, a longtime republican strategist.

    “This is going to last forever,” Wilson said. “For years now, Democrats will be able to roll out TV ads and say, ‘When John Smith says today he’s for a brighter future, remember who he stood by: Donald Trump. He stood by Donald Trump’s misogyny, racism, sexism and stupidity.’ ”

    “Donald Trump has always been a ridiculous candidate for president and the only thing that’s surprising is that it took this long for that ridiculousness to gel,” Stevens said. “It’s already hurt our country, it’s already hurt our politics. It’s just been a very destructive candidacy.”

  23. IslandBites profile image86
    IslandBitesposted 8 weeks ago

    Cause Bill is not relevant. lol

    Donald Trump concluded his Sunday night “debate prep” by hosting a press conference with women who have accused former President Bill Clinton of sexual assault or rape.
    He was flanked by Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broaddrick, who have each previously accused Bill Clinton of sexual assault.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10 … users.html

    1. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

      I just saw that. Really stupid move on his part, but I suppose he's desperate and figures he has nothing to lose.

      1. IslandBites profile image86
        IslandBitesposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

        Someone should give Hillary his quotes about those women.  lol

        "I don't necessarily agree with his victims. His victims are terrible. He is, he is really a victim himself."

        "These people are just, I don't know, where he met them - where he found them," Trump continued. "But the whole group — it's truly an unattractive cast of characters. Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg, I mean, this woman, I watch her on television. She is so bad. The whole group, Paula Jones, Lewinsky, it's just a really unattractive group. I'm not just talking about physical."

        Linda Tripp ïs "the personification of evil.”

        "Paula Jones is a loser"

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 8 weeks ago in reply to this

          Hillary is always supremely prepared.

          Oh, the irony of these women sitting next to Donnie, who has bragged about his predatory actions toward women. I guess his argument will be "yes, I'm bad but Bill is worse." Heckuva strategy. big_smile

          Bill is not running for president and Donnie is.

  24. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 8 weeks ago

    What is truly "deplorable" IS that democrats have constantly chosen the Low Road of Invented Racism ,
    They have chosen the  invented sin of nationalism .
    They have chosen  to reinvent the term Isolationism .
    They have EVEN chosen to use  the implication and false flag  of sexism .
    After all , according to liberals ,  it is Anti American to protect our borders , it is counterproductive to HAVE  and ENFORCE an immigration policy at all , it is deplorable to show patriotism !

    If you cannot win an election fairly on the record of accomplishment  , INVENT ONE !

  25. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 7 weeks ago

    Your last line says it all ! .............Therein lies the lie .     Because the Clintons are tied at the hips !  His offences to women are hers to claim and own AND DEFEND . You know that too !   But the lies keep coming in her candidacy and in her supporters . You .

    1. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

      You're saying it's a lie that Donald is running for president and Bill is not? LOL

  26. Onusonus profile image88
    Onusonusposted 7 weeks ago

    https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14650474_1018728174920039_8473167054986252625_n.jpg?oh=aa736e8ae039746dd5fcfc4b4af1783d&oe=586D3D43

  27. Onusonus profile image88
    Onusonusposted 7 weeks ago

    https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14572974_1112501638832515_2375493646471453666_n.jpg?oh=3b90856431900159539b785776f07326&oe=586207A0

  28. colorfulone profile image88
    colorfuloneposted 7 weeks ago

    http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13229607.jpg
    Paula tweeted that she will 100% vote for Trump!  smile 

    Read "Clinton vs Jones" case.   Bill lost.
    Bill pulled his pants down in front of Paula Jones and pulled his hard-on out and told Paula to "Kiss it."  Hillary slandered Paula horribly publicly.

    http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13229612.jpg
    "Your a smart girl, let's keep this between ourselves."  ~  Bill Clinton

    1. colorfulone profile image88
      colorfuloneposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

      We are ‘Terrified’ of Hillary - Paula Jones, Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvoRcPXURwg

      Don't turn a blind eye!

    2. colorfulone profile image88
      colorfuloneposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

      The video--which appears to be from the 1992 Presidential campaign and is watermarked with an ABC logo--shows Clinton putting his hand between the legs of an anonymous woman. The woman, who appears to be either a flight attendant or member of his campaign staff, quickly removes Clinton's probing paw.

      Video:  http://www.hannity.com/articles/electio … -15177251/

      So why is the mainstream media so unfair, bias, anti-Trump and pro-Clinton? Oh...its okey, because its an elite establishment vs the outsider.  Globalism vs Americanism

  29. 60
    aviatorjinangposted 7 weeks ago

    Yes it is clearly offensive to say it in a social perspective but the reason behind it might not be bewildered....we can't judge him as "Democrats" it's his point of view...

  30. H M Zeeshan Aslam profile image61
    H M Zeeshan Aslamposted 7 weeks ago

    taht are very nice post...not have avialable at this type post

  31. PhoenixV profile image79
    PhoenixVposted 7 weeks ago

    http://cache.lovethispic.com/uploaded_images/blogs/Is-It-An-Omen-Fly-Lands-On-Hillary-s-Face-During-Debate-11510-3.jpg

    The fly was later found dead but it has been ruled a suicide.

  32. Onusonus profile image88
    Onusonusposted 7 weeks ago

    https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p320x320/14595610_1201649136540311_2448602104754098932_n.jpg?oh=7af8ccf50b9b5f30022dbb23a45f1389&oe=58A595DD

  33. Onusonus profile image88
    Onusonusposted 7 weeks ago

    So wikileaks just released one of Hillary's E Mails where she refers to Muslims as Sandni**ers. Just a little locker room banter I suppose.

    http://shoebat.com/2016/10/10/busted-hi … eaks-dump/

  34. Kathleen Cochran profile image85
    Kathleen Cochranposted 7 weeks ago

    If everything else was OK with your :"Christian" friend, and it took this last thing to make her rethink her choice for President, I'd suspect she needs to rethink her Christian principles.  Too many Christians judge a politician on abortion and abortion alone.  Set that law aside (yes, it is the law) and look at how the person lives.  HIllary and President Obama are both practicing Christians (evident by the way the live their daily lives) and America's Christians rallied behind a Morman (last time) and a I Don't Know What this time.  If you asked me, that's pretty sorry Christianity.

    1. colorfulone profile image88
      colorfuloneposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

      Hillary Clinton "says things that are untrue... often"

      Wikileaks:  and her staff knows it.
      https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/em … 8AKdARdAV3

      1. Kathleen Cochran profile image85
        Kathleen Cochranposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

        Pulitzer Prize winning Politico rates Hillary's truthfulness on policy at 45% - the highest of any politician this year.  Trump's rate is 4%.

        1. colorfulone profile image88
          colorfuloneposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

          The majority of voters don't trust fact-checkers, including liberal run Politifact, which often dismisses logic.  Politifact has gone so far as to deny facts, the truth.  If you want to keep using Politifact as your go to, then you shoot your own credibility in the foot.  Do some research.
          http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ … t_checking

          Example:  Trump said he would release his taxes before the election.  He is still being audited.  The election hasn't come and gone that I know of. 

          Politifact says that is False because Trump broke his "promise". That defies all logic about a promise to date. ... But, maybe they know something we don't. Will the IRS delay the audit till after the election?

          There's a Politifact joke there!  I can logically think of many promises Hillary Clinton has broken and lies about.

          1. Don W profile image84
            Don Wposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

            Is that from the same Rasmussen who was a paid consultant for the RNC during Bush’s campaign in 2004(1)? The same Rasmussen whose methods and bias have been called out again and again(2)(3)(4)? Definitely a reliable source. No bias there. Perhaps you should do some research.

            (1) https://thinkprogress.org/politico-fail … .xadk4vw2e
            (2) http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/29/773158/-
            (3) http://www.politico.com/story/2010/01/d … 031047?o=0
            (4) http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co … ngly/?_r=0

  35. Onusonus profile image88
    Onusonusposted 7 weeks ago

    Hillary straight up stole her nomination from Bernie Sanders. If the party of Liberalism had a shred of integrity they would have stopped Hillary from hijacking the nomination and Trump would be debating Bernie right now. Had that happened it would have been a landslide for Bernie.
    I know lots of conservatives who would have voted for Bernie despite the fact that he's a socialist goon. At least Trump won the nomination fair and square against a bunch of sellout, lifetime politicians.
    https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14492531_1780961068853368_6170910154685375153_n.jpg?oh=a9f524c0a2b4cb8efa02e7e5aad9203a&oe=586C3F5C

    1. Kathleen Cochran profile image85
      Kathleen Cochranposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

      Hillary won her nomination the same way Obama won his nomination in his race against her.  The Democrats have superdelegates to prevent someone like Trump "stealing" their party.  If the GOP had them they wouldn't be in the fix they are now.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

        Yes, Hillary won both the popular vote and the delegate count.

        1. colorfulone profile image88
          colorfuloneposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

          Are you sure about that?

          Appears 2016 Democratic voter fraud was caught on tape.
          https://vimeo.com/186346227

          They wait till they think no one is looking to stuff ballot boxes with ballots. 
          Waiting for the the last voting poll at the end, that's the best one.
          Duh, forget about hidden cameras, huh.

          1. Live to Learn profile image80
            Live to Learnposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

            I read an article today that said Hillary could win the election before election day, with the mail in ballots. It's a whole lot easier to stuff ballot boxes that way.

            All democrats say in unison 'You go girl. Way to think ahead.'

            1. colorfulone profile image88
              colorfuloneposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

              Yes, and lots of dead people voting too. 

              Alan Schulkin, Commissioner of the Board of Elections in New York City told a reporter with a hidden cam all about how Democrats bus people around to vote at different polling places. They use minority communities for the voter fraud.  Schulkin, never said they were going to do anything to try to stop it.  Yeah, that's just the way it is.
              3:52    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDTcxIqqM0 

              He sounds like an honest man and would just like his vote to count for who he votes for, instead of being canceled out by 10 fake votes. But, will he do something?

              I already knew about this being done. There will be people watching for this kind of activity come Nov. 8th with cameras.   I guess they pay the bused in fraudsters $20 or so and a new t-shirt to wear at a different poll, or they just go in the bus again and come out wearing something different and go vote again at the same place.

              Un-American!  Un-Democratic!

              1. Credence2 profile image85
                Credence2posted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

                You conservatives are making excuses already for Trump's dismal showing. Every credible news outlet has Clinton ahead. You and Trump have already lost, admit it to yourself. You should now prepare the implements for your post-Mortem. Remember, I told you so, and you heard it here first.

                1. Live to Learn profile image80
                  Live to Learnposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Post mortem? This disgust with business as usual in Washington is not going to go away. Trump is not an embarrassing phenomenon. He is a strong indication of how fed up many are with Washington's shenanigans. He will lose but the movement will not. His strange popularity will embolden better men and women to step up to the plate and break the chain of corruption.

                  1. Credence2 profile image85
                    Credence2posted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

                    You could well be right, but for now, such a movement deserves a better messenger.

                2. colorfulone profile image88
                  colorfuloneposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

                  I'm a libertarian (Gary Jonson is an idiot).  However, I personally take a strong conservative view as Pro-Life...but, I believe in freedom, so people can make their own choice.  But, I have personal limits.  Hillary said babies don't have a constitutional right, (she would make sure they don't).  Hellary thinks babies can be aborted within hours of their birth. They would suffer excruciating pain. No, I can not condone that, no humanity there.  She would appoint liberal judges to the Supreme Court that would agree with her, creating another death panel for unborn babies.  Maybe she needs total body blood transfusions from the youngest to stay alive or she is a demon from hell? And that, is how true liberals would see that. 

                  http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13232238.jpg
                  You can take your bigotry of conservatives and shove it!
                  Oops, I guess you already have.

          2. Kathleen Cochran profile image85
            Kathleen Cochranposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

            colorfulone:  Yes, I'm sure about the rules for the Democrats and Republicans.  It is all well documented - not in blogs but in official sources.

      2. Onusonus profile image88
        Onusonusposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

        Yes and the party chooses who their leader will be rather than the people. They chose the establishment for you. You get the most unqualified mess the Democratic party has ever produced, bar none! If it were Bernie they wouldn't be able to muster a fraction of the ammo that they can against Hillary.
        https://nteb-mudflowermedia.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/hillary-bill-clinton-loretta-lynch-private-meeting-brokered-deal-email-server-scandal-fbi.jpg

  36. Onusonus profile image88
    Onusonusposted 7 weeks ago

    https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14666148_750007568473270_3794260036728324949_n.jpg?oh=656fd139d782b4248c1f2f370a05b7cb&oe=586AE3A7

    1. Kathleen Cochran profile image85
      Kathleen Cochranposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

      Just how low are you willing to go?

      1. Onusonus profile image88
        Onusonusposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

        Nowhere near as low as Hillary.
        http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/fourdeaths.jpg

  37. mrpopo profile image89
    mrpopoposted 7 weeks ago

    This paper seems relevant: http://www.lsuc.on.ca/media/sith_colloq … ichael.pdf

    The ethical dilemma appears to be whether or not to:

    A) defend your client to the best of your ability regardless of any knowledge you possess of the client's actions*

    or

    B) given knowledge of the client's actions, to hold back and defend the client primarily on grounds of reasonable doubt as a means to discover the truth while maintaining a reasonable degree of defense

    From the above paper A seems to be the more ethically questionable given its acts (mudslinging, technicalities). B avoids this:

    "Some legal ethicists advocate a weak adversarial position. They argue that a lawyer’s cross-examination of a witness that the lawyer knows to be truthful should be limited to questions that undermine the prosecution’s reasonable doubt case. A lawyer need not defend the case to the max, for example by harming the reputation of a witness who the lawyer knows to be truthful nor attempts to cast blame on persons the lawyer knows to be innocent."

    Did Hillary do A or B? Either way, from what I've perused of the case it seems the main fault lies with the prosecutors or crime lab for losing the piece of underwear with the blood and DNA evidence. If they had that, it wouldn't matter how strongly Hillary defended her client.

    *Note that this is not to say you are making a judgment of innocent or guilty. You have information that can be used to determine guilt, but you are not making that judgement yourself. For example, it's possible you may know that your client killed someone, but you don't know whether your client will be charged with murder, manslaughter or exculpated with self-defense. Read more here: https://www.quora.com/What-is-it-like-t … ?srid=6S3S

  38. ahorseback profile image51
    ahorsebackposted 7 weeks ago

    I am becoming more and more interested in internet pols showing big differences between  ,standard polling and  online polling , considering that Hilary has the mainstream media in her pocket , the internet  , as yet is not hers-- that  is a big difference !

    America could be in for a huge surprise !

  39. IslandBites profile image86
    IslandBitesposted 7 weeks ago
 
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