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Hillary and War

  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 7 weeks ago

    "What Clinton did not acknowledge is that a no-fly zone would likely lead to war with Russia — the world’s largest nuclear power.

    Chris Wallace, the moderator for the debate, alluded to this in a follow-up question. He noted that, while Clinton has called for no-fly zones in multiple debates, Gen. Joseph Dunford, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has warned that imposing a no-fly zone could potentially kick off a war with Russia."

    http://www.salon.com/2016/10/21/hillary … wants-one/

    1. Ken Burgess profile image81
      Ken Burgessposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

      Hillary doesn't want one, but powerful 'military-industrial' players do.  The ones that support her campaign.
      I would also be willing to speculate that there is a growing need for such a venture to engulf a large number of nations in a global conflict (not nuclear mind you, just one where a couple hundred million die and massive amounts of resources are spent, and numerous countries collapse and are left destroyed, destitute) in order to get the global economy out from under this massive debt bubble of which America with its 20 Trillion is by far the most guilty.
      Or not...

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
        Kathryn L Hillposted 7 weeks ago in reply to this

        What group of very wealthy people funded a poor Arkansas governor's run for president of the United States of America.

        well, Let's s e e e  e   e …...

        1. MizBejabbers profile image90
          MizBejabbersposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

          What group? Some genealogists claim to have traced Bill's ancestry back to the Rothschilds. This was published by one of the most right-wing Christian Fundamentalists on VTN. This Reverend says that no candidate has a chance against a Rothschild. He also says that the George Bush family and several other former presidents are Rothschilds. However, Jeb Bush didn't fare very well, so I don't know if this is true. I have the book in my bookcase at home and will have to look it up if you are interested.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

            Sounds like the monopoly family. A Corperation Government will work that way.

      2. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

        Would the Americans debt reset back to zero.? If so, then what?

        1. rhamson profile image77
          rhamsonposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

          It would be as always. Americas economy would explode while the government writes all sorts of loans to itself providing for the conflict. The debt is something they have and will continue to ignore while they live in their tight little social bubble.

        2. Ken Burgess profile image81
          Ken Burgessposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

          When the war started in 1939, our debt percentage was 43.8 percent. When the war ended it was 115.7 percent and would grow to 122 percent a year later. Within 10 years we had reduced the debt to a 59.5 percentage figure.
          We have crossed back over the 60 percent mark now, that is telling in the fact that we have the largest post-war debt since it had been reduced to 59.5.
          What makes this even worse, is that there is no end to it in sight... adding more people onto welfare roles, government pensions, adding in more social support costs, while allowing TPP and other trade agreements that fascilitate companies and corporations to move to foreign lands... all this and more means it is going to become more problematic at a faster pace.
          Japan is #1, with a debt as a percentage of tax revenue of about 900 percent and Greece is in second place at about 475 percent. The U.S. has jumped up to third place, with a debt to income measure of 408 percent. This means, and Hillary Clinton has stated as much, NEW Taxes, HIGHER taxes, to keep up with our rising debt.
          If you aren't going to stop the flow of immigration, and you plan on putting all these new people on Welfare, and provide them health care, schooling, etc. that costs money... if you are going to support trade agreements that make it easy for businesses to leave, and import their products back into America with no taxes or tariffs on them, we will have fewer and fewer jobs, with lower and lower wages.. that too costs tax revenue... money.
          This does not factor the several trillion dollars owed to Social Security, yet it includes the Social Security taxes collected. If Social Security taxes are not counted, the U.S.’s debt to income ratio rises to 690 percent.
          Unlike 1945, we haven’t been fighting a war. Well, actually we’ve been fighting two in Iraq and Afghanistan. Still, the costs associated with these efforts don’t account for our current huge debt problems. Instead, we are facing what are known as unfunded liabilities in the form of money due to Social Security, Pensions, Medicare and Medicaid and so on. It represents an entirely different problem than the one we faced after World War II, because these amounts can't be worked down with a growing industry, our industry is shrinking, our GDP is anemic and will remain so, so long as everything is "Made in China" and "Made in Mexico" and those products flow freely back into America making it impossible for American made products to compete.
          So you see our Trade Agreements have put us in a downward spiral we cannot get out of... perhaps war could... if that meant we revved up our industrial might and started making everything in America again... that alone would change our economy from one that is quickly heading towards a Great Depression  to one where we had a GDP growth rate of anywhere from 9 percent to 17 percent (a high that we hit in 1950 likely with all post war reconstruction efforts as well as having destroyed most of the worlds other industrial nations during the war).
          So this in essence is our only salvation, to cut ourselves off of foreign nation Industrial production, and return to producing everything here in America, and expanding upon that by exporting our product to a good portion of the rest of the world which can only happen if we have somehow rid ourselves of the competition.
          The other option is a continued decline in living standards, and lowering of any real upward mobility in our society.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

            The US is addicted to oil and cheap trade products. I can not imagine this freight train making a quick right hand turn to much higher prices for US products. US can compete in technology automatic machinery yet that cuts still many jobs out. The BRICS  and many other countries are  joining the ban wagon in dumping the US dollar(Jew tax) backed by oil.

            Yes times have greatly changed from dirty 30s and World war 2.  Where banks had gold at 100% and Federal tax was a temporary tax.
            Today nation debt is close to the great depression debt and private debt today is 20% higher. The bankers want their money back yet they gain it from the back doors of politics.

            From being in business for 42 years  I added it all up from all side and North America people are totally trapped with no way out except war with the Greedy criminals.

            That will force the finances to reset becsuse people have no where else to go. We must lock up these banker criminal of humanity. Because strike 3 your out from the third wave of war and poverty terrorism.

            1. rhamson profile image77
              rhamsonposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

              As long as we believe in these politicians to "fix" all of this we will head down the wormhole to our graves grossly in debt. The business of politics is to get elected and re-elected to keep in the money. We let them hearken us back to more patriotic themes and bravado of the past to keep us off their game of greed and conquest for more greed. We are lemmings being plied by our better nature by those who have no consideration for our failure. We are ripe for the killing.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

                Only 1% are prepared for what is to come.

                What are your plans?

                1. rhamson profile image77
                  rhamsonposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

                  I am in the other 99% as I am a pawn in the scheme of things.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                    Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

                    I will try to send you food from Bolivia,  but no guarantees it will get there.

  2. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 7 weeks ago

    Can anyone explain, justify and defend Hillary's position????

    (QUICK There are only a few more days left to figure out who to vote for!!!!)

  3. Kathryn L Hill profile image85
    Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

    I guess this video is just full of propaganda.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0agBtEEYTaY
    Right?

  4. jacharless profile image82
    jacharlessposted 6 weeks ago

    Given that the last two NFZ's, in Iraq and Libya, resulted in the deaths of millions of people, I highly doubt the new American administration will obtain permission from the international community for one. Beyond that, all the BRICS nations, as well as Syria, Oman, Iran, etc will not permit it. Even more so, the current situation is near defeat for US-NATO-Gulf war against Syria. Truly amazing how this little country fended off monstrous powers for five years. And now, with the assistance of Iran, Palestine, China and Russia have practically destroyed all these sponsored terrorist groups and their support network NGOs.

    Beyond Syria is her true goal: Iran. She has publicly stated this repeatedly, that to "protect and expand" Israel, she intends to "annihilate" Iran -like she did Libya. This has been the core goal of said "regime" changes in the ME since the end of WW2, and the NATO established occupation of Palestine...

    Likewise, her sites are set on Central and South America, like Honduras, Chile, etc.

    1. Ken Burgess profile image81
      Ken Burgessposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

      Of course one of her goals is to "annihilate Iran", she has been funded tens of millions of dollars from Saudi Arabia, maybe hundreds of millions, they want Iran diminished in the region, but they don't want to dirty their hands doing it... they expect their lap dog Hillary to get it done for them.
      This more than anything could lead to WWIII... China is tied to Iran in ways most Americans have no clue about, they literally have control over vast parts of Iran, they consider their sovereign territory and have warned America if they attack Iran it would be considered an attack against them.
      Russia too, has no interest in allowing America to secure any more influence or control in the area then they have, and they will continue to back Syria and anyone else they consider it in their best interests to.
      America is going to go from 'World's Policeman" to World's Rogue State if Hillary takes any acts against Iran or Russia.

      1. colorfulone profile image86
        colorfuloneposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

        I have to wonder if most Americans even realize how close the United States and Russia are to each other.  Do they think Russia is thousands of miles across an ocean?   At the closest point they are about 2.5 miles apart, if you take the distance of occupied islands.  53 miles in the Strait's narrowest point across.  We're neighbors. 

        In history books it pictures it like the USA and Russia are on opposite sides of the ocean, they are not, but they are.  I know you know this, Ken.   I'm just saying... (Hillary is in bed with Putin).

        Google image search:  https://www.google.com/search?q=putin+a … mp;bih=530

 
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