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Are These Trump Supporters the Rule or the Exception?

  1. Sychophantastic profile image83
    Sychophantasticposted 6 weeks ago

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 … p-movement

    And do we see this sort of thing on the Left?

    1. wilderness profile image94
      wildernessposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

      What do YOU think?  Was your neighbor one of those sending messages?  Your sibling or parent?  Your child's teacher?  The grocery clerk you spoke to yesterday?

      Trump supporters come from all points of the compass and from all walks of life and constitute nearly half the nation.  Do YOU think the norm of those millions of people is represented in the link?

      Or do you reproduce the link to encourage others to do the same?

      1. Sychophantastic profile image83
        Sychophantasticposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

        The link is from the very conservative National Review.

        1. wilderness profile image94
          wildernessposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

          I see.  And that means that you think the average, normal Trump follower does these things.  Or does it mean the opposite?  I'm confused.

          1. Sychophantastic profile image83
            Sychophantasticposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

            They are the exception, but that such things are happening at all, is extremely disconcerting. That it's the National Review pointing it out of a Republican nominee, is unprecedented.

            1. wilderness profile image94
              wildernessposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

              That people murder each other is disconcerting, too.  That haters rioted at Trump rallies is extremely disconcerting.  Lots of things disconcerting - that we think no one will ever do evil things is even disconcerting. 

              But to turn it into a huge deal and blow it all out of proportion is silly.  It is what it is - disgusting childish behavior - and not much more.  God knows we've seen a lot of it this election year.

              1. Sychophantastic profile image83
                Sychophantasticposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

                While it's hard to quantify the level of violence in this year's election or the amount of violent rhetoric, I would submit that this is a fundamentally different type of election. The bulk of Donald Trump's support comes from non-college educated white males. He's also the first candidate to receive and accept support from the alt right movement. He's the first candidate to be almost universally rejected by the mainstream media, including mainstream, established media on the right. His rhetoric is unprecedented in its vitriol. It's also unprecedented for its lack of accuracy. His campaign is a train wreck. Take the "bad hombre" and "nasty woman" comments in the last debate. Had Trump just been able to label Clinton without hitting all women and had he criticized criminals without qualifying them as Mexican, he might have actually won. Had he just pushed his policies and compared his policies to hers, he might have won.

                Actually, he still might win. There are a few trusted polls that show it as a very tight race.

                1. GA Anderson profile image86
                  GA Andersonposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Hello Sychophantastic,
                  About that "fundamentally different type of election" part, you listed "non-college educated white males" first. Why?

                  That description was initially listed as a demographic category, but was quickly picked up and used in a negative sense. It has become a buzz word, a talking point - not an original thought. As a category descriptor it is correct, but as a buzz word it is loaded with more than just being a statistical category.

                  It could be that you meant they were a vote that hadn't turned out in the past. Or, as a category description like "women." Or, you could have meant they were too dumb to vote intelligently. I would peg your intent as the latter.

                  Back to the "fundamentally different..." part; I recall there have been several elections that were described similarly by folks of the time. Not worth the research to back that up, but coincidentally I just read a page of my current read that describes the 1936 election;
                  ["FDR A Biography" by Ted Morgan]

                  "In this election year of 1936, [2016], whoever the Republican candidate was, people would be voting either for or against FDR, [Clinton]. "

                  "... But never had FDR, [Clinton], been under such intensely personal attacks."

                  "They went on about socialism, and a planned economy, and Rex the Red, and confiscatory taxes, and the decay of the spirit of self-reliance..."


                  As I was reading the section that included those quotes, I thought that with just date and name substitutions it was a fairly accurate description of our 2016 election.

                  GA

                  1. ahorseback profile image46
                    ahorsebackposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Except,  sorely lacking then  was the existence of TODAYS  media , both mainstream and social .    To compare   now and then is apples and oranges .   Todays election is a  political phenomena given the incredible power of both the new media and the powers of perception of the voting public.     

                    The only constant ; perhaps the  naiveté of the young and the uninformed voter .

                  2. Sychophantastic profile image83
                    Sychophantasticposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Trump's main body of support are white people who haven't been to college. A recent CNN poll has him leading with that group 62% to 32%. All that statistic suggests is that Trump's supporters are less educated than Hillary's supporters, I guess.

                    As for the election itself, it is true that there is usually an inordinate amount of hyperbole in any election. Certainly, the 1936 was also a very specific kind of election where people were voting for FDR's expanding, centralized federal government or not. And there have also been many elections with quite a bit of vitriol. I suppose it's worth studying to see if this one is beyond normal or not.

      2. Alternative Prime profile image86
        Alternative Primeposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

        Actually, to be PERFECTLY Honest, the VAST Majority of the SHRINKING Group of "Trumpeteers" are COMPRISED Primarily of RURAL, "OFF the GRIDERs", Older Uneducated WHITE Men, "END-Timer Prepers" who need an INSANE Reckless President like TRUMP to Start the APOCALYPSE so all that money spent on that UNDERGROUND Shelter, Radios & DRIED Rations won't go to WASTE ~ sad

        He also ATTRACTs the Klu Klux KLANsMen who ROBO-Call for him & a FEW Christians who are FINALLY Begining to "SEE the LIGHT" as it RELATEs to "Abuser Trump" and are starting to REJECT him ~ Looks like that "Access HOLLYWOOD Tape" & Emerging LIST of ACCUSSERs was the ABSOLUTE Final Straw for them, better LATE than NEVER I guess ~ smile

        HARDCORE "Trump FANz" Represent a Very TINY MInority of AMERICANs who if they are as INTELLIGENT as they Claim, will Swiftly "DISSIPATE" shortly after "SWINDLER Donald" ATTEMPTs to "MONETIZE" them which he is trying to do Right Now, or when he's DESTROYED on November 8, 2016 ~ Whichever comes FIRST ~

        The TRUMP  "Pseudo CAMPAIGN" has ALIENATED just about everyone ELSE not ONLY in this "GREAT COUNTRY", but Globally ~

        "NATIONAL Disgrace" as General Colin Powell "BRANDED" him as, is a SEVERE Under-Statement for this "Dangerously RECKLESS CLOWN-Show" Jackass ~ sad

    2. Onusonus profile image87
      Onusonusposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

      I'm more concerned about these violent Hillary supporters.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjalRqifvf0

    3. wrenchBiscuit profile image88
      wrenchBiscuitposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

      http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13242074_f1024.jpg

      According to the historical record, a record which many here on Hubpages seem to purposely avoid, those you are referring to as "Trump Supporters", are simply good ol' Americans. The slogan "Make America Great Again" is simply code for "Make America White Again". And this is a notion that is quite appealing to  white Americans on both sides of the aisle. The notion of the United States being a great "melting pot" is not so appealing to the average white voter once they finally realize that melting pot = multiculturalism = truth = America was never "great" in the first place. It is simply another country created by greedy landowners to satisfy their carnal lust for wealth,power, flesh, and blood.

      Even though Planned Parenthood has been doing their best to kill as many black babies as possible in order to keep the black population at  acceptable levels, and even though the U.S. government successfully exterminated a majority of the Northern Indigenous populations years ago, there is a problem south of the border. My Indigenous brothers and sisters south of the border are very strong in numbers, and such numbers threaten white supremacy on a national, and a global level. There is also a Muslim problem across the sea.  And the Muslim problem has nothing to do with terrorism, since much of the so-called terrorist activity has been created and funded by the United States. The Muslim problem is the same as the Indigenous problem to the south. The increasing number of Muslims, namely those of Middle Eastern descent, is also a threat to white supremacy, and has been since before the Crusades.

      Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton have put on a good show, but they are both on the same team. "SuperPredator" Hillary, and "Grab 'em by the Taco" Donald, fundamentally have the same agenda, and that is to maintain white supremacy. And just like their predecessors, they will use any means necessary to accomplish that goal.The current election cycle is just another poorly written episode of "Good Cop-Bad Cop". It is as hypocritical of Clinton supporters to condemn aggressive Trump supporters as it was for Northerners to condemn slave-owners in the South. Although slavery had been abolished in all Northern States by 1804, the North was still economically dependent on the institution of slavery, especially the textile industry.

      And although Hillary isn't talking about building a wall, she has actively been engaged in destabilizing the Middle East, she has helped to create the refugee crisis in Syria, and she is indirectly responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of human beings. My advice to Americans: Be what you are, be an American, and forget about the lesser of two evils, because when it comes to maintaining the status quo there is no such thing. Just go ahead and pick your poison.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

        Good summary.

        1. ahorseback profile image46
          ahorsebackposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

          Except its simply says" Look at the racist , bigoted , stupid , Trump supporters guys !

          HOW SHALLOW !

          1. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

            Is Trump a deep thinker?

            1. ahorseback profile image46
              ahorsebackposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

              Is Hilary an intellectual !

    4. rhamson profile image74
      rhamsonposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

      You have been seduced by the propaganda machine of this perverted election cycle. From people stealing signs from their neighbors lawns to throwing crowds into bedlam and violence is it the candidates fault on either side? Are the candidates to blame for the ignorance we choose to commit on each other? Are we not the nation of freedom of speech sans the repercussions? Are we not responsible for our own actions? How many times have you heard the defense of either candidate that they don't care for their choice but the other one is worse? This is all our fault as the strings for the re-election of Congress are being pulled while we sleep in the face of it happening. We all are puppets while the elite moneyed interests continue their greed filled domination over us all. Maybe we are just too stupid for self rule. Maybe it is best after all.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

        After enough morlocks have eaten us up. People will wake up and take control again,do have fate. Many do feel like they only going faster in the treadmill.

    5. Live to Learn profile image82
      Live to Learnposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

      I didn't look at your link. I will say that I do give Hillary supporters the benefit of the doubt and assume you are the exception.

  2. IslandBites profile image85
    IslandBitesposted 6 weeks ago

    "I oppose Trump not just because he’s an ignorant demagogue and a naked political opportunist, but also because bigotry and intimidation cling to his campaign. Every campaign attracts its share of fools, cranks, and crazies. But Trump’s candidacy has weaponized them."

    http://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/MjAxMy0yMzEyMmRiMjBmNmMzNTQ0.png

  3. ahorseback profile image46
    ahorsebackposted 6 weeks ago

    When ever I look at Hilary  , I think  How Can An Intellectual  be so Stupid?

    1. rhamson profile image74
      rhamsonposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

      Or sly like a fox.

    2. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

      Hillary dose have a higher IQ, because she can remember her lies and has better prepared excuses for them.

      No one in my life I've heard has multi layer contradiction and fights with everybody including Trump himself.

      Trump lies more, since most often the best lair win, he has a chance. Also Trump  knows what many people are screaming at their TV Sets about.

      No matter who wins we all loose.

      1. Alternative Prime profile image86
        Alternative Primeposted 6 weeks ago in reply to this

        Here in the REAL-World, OUTSIDE the Confines of "FOX Loser Network", We WIN Big if Hillary is ELECTED smile & Would Have ENDANGERED the ENTIRE Planet if "Delusional Donald" had ever succeeded with his "INSANE Pseudo-Campaign" of HATE, Misogyny, Racism, Deranged Ideas & Subversive PLANs etc ~ sad

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    Caprice Ciaraposted 6 weeks ago

    What exactly is liberal? Social? Economic? I think everyone has a different definition of the term.

  5. jo miller profile image85
    jo millerposted 3 weeks ago

    Whether they are the exception or the rule, they should be condemned by the person at the top of that ticket, by other members of the Republican Party and by Trump supporters who find this behavior despicable.  And if those folks don't speak out against such behavior then I think it's fair to assume it's the rule.

 
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