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I guess that I have to EAT CROW congratulations to conservatives

  1. Credence2 profile image88
    Credence2posted 3 weeks ago

    And may God help us!

    This could be the biggest upset since Dewey claimed victory over Truman in 1948.

    All the pundits were wrong. Michael Moore was prophetic, and so was Ohio.

    So ends civility as America's most contentious alt right groups will be emboldened to intimidate and terrorize.

    So with a Trump Presidency and a GOP dominated senate to drive it we will be up to our necks in right wing s*** for the next 4 years.

    It is definitely time to put on the sackcloth, and await the time he and his minions will round up all progressive folks and banish them to the gulag in Alaska along with a free press.

    Enjoy your victory, as you got what you wanted....

    1. lovetherain profile image72
      lovetherainposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      We had the choice between a criminal and a clown.

      This is going to be really embarrassing for the USA.

      We are the laughingstock of the world right now.

      1. colorfulone profile image90
        colorfuloneposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        That is for sure, sadly. 

        However, I believe Trump to be more a libertarian, than a conservative.

      2. Marisa Wright profile image93
        Marisa Wrightposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        You must have been watching Australian TV this afternoon!   Yes you are.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Every election they find these caricature to lead a faster treadmill to nowhere fast.

          Ronald McDonald should hand over his clown outfit to Trump and the Government should hand over the red button for him to push.

          Treadmills are too insane, Bolivia was right to not trust the leaders of America who aim to steal your soul.

        2. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Sadly, the point is that we don't pay that much attention to any of your countries' internal workings. When I am presented with a news report; I sometimes laugh, sometimes cry and sometimes cringe. Australian politics has confused me, from time to time, in how backward the thinking is. But, I don't usually comment to Australians about that. It would seem rude. But, since you are laughing at us I chose to point it out.

      3. Connor Oborn profile image60
        Connor Obornposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        and the far left whacked out Liberals still don't get it...which is the more embolden that are AGAINST TRUMP the Stronger the USA citizenry is becoming. wake up be a grown up and shut up HE WON he certainly is not corrupt taken money from foreign countries to line his pocket for himself and his family and has not made up lies to cover up the murders in Benghazi...u ppl are just loons. its not a far stretch that Trump voters would take up a collection to buy ONE WAY TICKETS to the Communist Country of your choice...BYE BYE

      4. Connor Oborn profile image60
        Connor Obornposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        wow talk  about stupid ...why in the world do u think the UK voted out of the EU? HELLO

        1. Greensleeves Hubs profile image96
          Greensleeves Hubsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          Why do you think you UK voted to leave the EU? I'm intrigued.

          1. PhoenixV profile image79
            PhoenixVposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Blimey guvner thats easy. The racist xenophobic unlettered commoners exerted their will.

            1. Greensleeves Hubs profile image96
              Greensleeves Hubsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              I think you're joking from the standpoint you take on other issues, but I seriously wonder why Connor, or you, think the UK voted to leave?

    2. Will Apse profile image90
      Will Apseposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Ignorance and hatred triumphs. Who would have guessed in a country like the US?

      1. Marisa Wright profile image93
        Marisa Wrightposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        This is how the Brits are reacting:

        http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/inte … 1109116771

        ...and my New Zealand friend has just cancelled her trip to the US next year.

        1. Credence2 profile image88
          Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          She might be wise to stay clear for a while...

      2. Live to Learn profile image81
        Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Can a liberal, for once, think outside of their own hatred? Do you honestly think it is the worst of the worst that the news media could find to showcase as a Trump supporter who caused this man to be elected?  Joe Bob from Bumpass didn't get Trump elected any more than Tyrone from Detroit would have gotten Hillary elected had she won.

        Ordinary people chose these representatives. Ordinary people who are tired of business as usual or ordinary people who couldn't stomach the idea of a vote for Hillary. You want to blame someone or something for a Trump victory? Blame the corruption within the DNC that worked so diligently against Sanders' bid for the nomination.

        1. Will Apse profile image90
          Will Apseposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          This is a lesson in how almost any demagogue can exploit the less educated section of a population, press the racist and xenophobic buttons, deign to show a little interest in the insecurities of the 'little' people and triumph over reason plus the real life interests of those who are targeted.

          More schooling needed, lol.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image85
            PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Yep, uneducated white folks have spoken.

            1. ahorseback profile image52
              ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              And THERE is the epitome  of all you have spoken in forums  , all along .   And so , the voice of true racism. That which you have so clearly  shown here and now !

              1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                Lol, racism? I'm white, in case you didn't know. That is what is called a "quip."

                Hillary lost among both uneducated white men and uneducated white women.

                1. ahorseback profile image52
                  ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Oh.......... I mistook a bigot for a racist ?

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                    PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Your typical incoherence still prevails, I see.

                2. Live to Learn profile image81
                  Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Those you consider uneducated have as much stake in this country as you do. They have a right to live, a right to dream and a right to vote. This is exactly why I could never be a democrat. If up to you guys, lesser educated Americans would lose the right to vote since for some bizarre reason an ignorant democrat thinks they know better for another person's life than they do. That pathetic mentality is what has us in the mess we are now in.

                  And since the inner cities usually vote democrat I think your 'uneducated' statement is pathetic. Does an uneducated person of color have more right to vote than an uneducated white person?

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                    PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    My, my so defensive. Just stating the facts. Of course, everyone has a right to vote. The people have spoken. Now, all of you Trump voters must sit back and watch the Idiot in Chief in action. Own it. Savor it. It's all yours.

            2. PhoenixV profile image79
              PhoenixVposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              Keep in mind that they were very upset and almost in tears,  because their team lost, ABC and or NBC seemed to imply that minorities werent motivated enough to get out and vote for ctooked hillary. They seemed to lay the blame at their feet last night.

              Them uneducated white folks work for, get hired by, employ and drink beer right along side them folks and their families. I think DC, MSM and hollyweird got sent a message by all people of all colors

              1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                I'm not putting anyone down. Just stating the facts.

                All I expect is for Trump voters to take full responsibility for electing Donnie. Some are already trying to blame everyone but the people who actually cast their votes for him.

                1. ahorseback profile image52
                  ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Oh but wait , we're not done with the accountability of the Obama breakdown of America yet !
                  So much or the preservation of his legacy
                  Hilary won't be doing that for you .

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                    PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    I have no interest in protecting anyone's legacy. It will work itself out over time.

                  2. Hooks and Needles profile image82
                    Hooks and Needlesposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Still putting down Obama is what makes me sick. Democrats put up with Republicans putting down Obama for 8 years. Now we say anything against Trump and you'd think we slapped them in the face. Why are they so defensive? They can dish it out, but not take it?

                2. Live to Learn profile image81
                  Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Don't you think it would be more productive if we stopped whining and arguing and stand together to demand this newly elected body represent us, the American people as a whole, for a change? Set aside personal desires and find what is best for all that our collective tax dollars can reasonably sustain? And, for God's sake, stop letting politics divide us?

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                    PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Sure. Where have I recommended we not work with him?

                  2. Credence2 profile image88
                    Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Would you have said that if Clinton had won?

                3. Connor Oborn profile image60
                  Connor Obornposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  I guess u don't get it either the person to thank for Trumps Victory is HILLARY she is solely the only person responsible for her major loss...the only one and the poor foolish people who believed her lies and on and on and now we hear she still hasn't learned her lesson she is putting her iligit daughter out to run for Congress i wonder what her bio father thinks of this? what say u Web Hubbel

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                    Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    I must say Trump strategy of stacking the deck with the country's desperation and angry Americans went over the moon. Their irate and overwhelmed of the most exteme Corruption franchise Corp Government in history. Picked a strongman fascist to fight an impossible fight for them against a greedy giant that puppets all presidents anyways. If Trump dose not get himself shot like JF Kenny he is not the real deal.

                    This is only the people's fight, they are the only ones who can change anything. Just like every other time in human history dealing with a dark empires.
                    Still it will take many people's hit on the head lessons to begin to understand, . Then it will take over 100 million people to die to convince them, for all to take action.

                    Mark my words, all prediction have come true, just never anything near to this scale.

                  2. PrettyPanther profile image85
                    PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Did you vote for Trump? Then you and everyone else who did are responsible for his victory.

                    Chelsea is illegitimate? That's a new one. Where did you learn that one?

            3. GA Anderson profile image86
              GA Andersonposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              Oops! That category description should have been under-educated, (as in no college degree), not "uneducated." Or do both terms mean the same to you?

              Fifty-nine million "uneducated" white voters, (and their ethnic counter-part I suppose)? Would that mean that all of Hillary's fifty-nine million voters were elitist?

              Much is made of that "under-educated" category, but not much about what it means relative to perspective. Surely you have seen where our higher education degrees rank world wide. Surely you have seen some of those on-the-street interviews asking college students basic history and political questions. Surely you have seen the news of MBA graduates flipping burgers for a living. Tell me, Shirley, what makes that 4-year college BA-degree-in-ornithology graduate a more informed voter than the shop owner that has been in business twenty years, or the electrician that wires your house?

              PrettyPanther, if I describe your response as unflatteringly haughty and condescending would you more likely peg me as college educated than if I described it as snotty BS that shows you need to be taken down a notch or two, "cause you ain't so much better than me!"?

              Is that degree holding voter that voted for Hillary because she is a woman, (or a Clinton, or a Democrat), a more informed voter than the non-degree voter that didn't? Is the Socialist Left of the Democrats more informed voters because they have college degrees?

              Geesh! Look at all the categories in Trump's fifty-nine million voters . That's a lot of "uneducated white men."

              I think the author of a recently-linked New Yorker article accurately summed-up the real reason, (and target for your finger-pointing), for Trump's support. To paraphrase; The Democrats have over-played their hand regarding the divisive social changes they rammed down America's throat in the last eight years. Half of Americans are still digesting these changes, and Hillary promised that much and more. Half of America is choking and the Democrats answer is to promise more to come.

              That is where you should be venting, even if it does take an under-educated white man to point it out to you.

              GA

              1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                Hello, GA.  I am aware from reading previous discussions on these forums that you find the term "uneducated" to be offensive.  I agree that "undereducated" might be more descriptive.  It is a fact that "undereducated" white men and white women voted for Trump in numbers higher than in any previous elections.  No, they were not the sole reason for his victory.  However, they were a significant reason for it.

                If you think I'm haughty for stating the fact that a particular demographic preferred Trump over Hillary, then so be it.  If you think I am snotty, I really don't care.  I am just stating a fact.  I did not add any of the other stuff you are attributing to me, apparently through some sort of mind-reading ability that enables you to see my haughty thoughts.  ;-) I did not state that any one demographic is better informed than another.  I merely stated that Donald can thank uneducated white men and women for propelling him to the top.  I believe I replied to a quip "more schooling needed. lol" or something to that effect, so perhaps that is where you got the idea that I am being snotty.  I guess I can see that, but unless you can show me that uneducated white voters are better informed than educated white voters, then I believe it is reasonable to assume that education helps one to be a better informed voter.  Can you show me otherwise?  If so, then I will concede that my assumption was unreasonable.

                I am married to an non-college-educated white male, who chose not to vote at all for president for the first time in his life.  He is quite well informed.  That is anecdotal.  I have not done any research to determine whether uneducated white men and women are more or less well informed than the college educated.  Have you?  I would be interested to know, because you seem to find it offensive to simply point out a fact about a particular demographic.  Perhaps we need to dig deeper to find out why.

                Sorry, I'm not cuttin' much slack today. I don't intentionally state untruths, nor do I intentionally slam entire groups of people.

                Edited to add:  For the last 30 years or so, I have seen a steady de-valuing of education in general and knowledge of the physical sciences, philosophy, history, and social silences in particular.  I think it's time we acknowledge ignorance for what it is and stop saying it's perfectly okay for people to vote based on lack of knowledge or the inability to identify truth from BS.  Again, if you can show me that under-educated white voters are just as knowledgeable as college-educated ones, I'll shut up about this.  I am, at this point, making an educated assumption that having a college education makes you better at understanding issues and differentiating facts from B.S.  I could be wrong, though.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                  Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  I'm white and I approve this messages.

                2. GA Anderson profile image86
                  GA Andersonposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Glad to see you back PrettyPanther, I know what you mean by the reasons for your absence. My participation has been down also.

                  I am not sure I can go with your explanation that you were just stating facts. Context is everything, (especially in text-based communications). The topic of the thread, and the content and tone of your comments, (*see "whining" post response), provided a context that read your "uneducated white men" as a denigration of that voter.

                  Combine that with an assertion that the term "uneducated" is a distortion of poll and study summaries that used "under-educated" and "less educated" as descriptors for their education category conclusions. Those descriptors morphed into "uneducated" in the hands of anti-Trump pundits and writers. Because I think to most folks it carries a more negative connotation. Why adopt a less accurate descriptor if not for a purpose?

                  Now, in one of those, "What is the first thing that pops into your mind" quiz modes;
                  Uneducated - What is the first thing you think of? Dumb? Good or bad?
                  Under-educated, or less-educated -- Not as smart? Good or bad?

                  Of course you know my answers to those questions - they were the examples. Were yours different?

                  Calling someone uneducated is not offensive to me if it is an accurate statement of fact. But when it is an inaccurate description, it is not a fact, and its use can only mean an implication was intended. Why would you knowingly use an inaccurate descriptor, with implied negative connotations, if it were not for a purpose.  I don't think that reasoning is convoluted, or related to the definition of "Is."  So, no, I don't think you were innocently just stating a fact.

                  But... the "why" question concerning education levels and voter qualifications is an interesting one. Maybe we can take a look at that, in combination with Wilderness' musings about the significance of red and blue geographical implications.

                  GA

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                    PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    I admitted that I am making an educated guess that under educated white voters are less knowledgeable about the issues than college-educated white voters. I can see where you could view that as derogatory. I admitted my terminology is not accurate. I submit to you that, unless I am wrong, it is okay to be dismissive in this case. In fact, I submit to you that it is high time we quit pussy footing around the knowledge that a very large segment of voters are unwilling or unable to discern fact from fiction and that these voters are a serious threat to our country's future. It is time we stop giving them a pass. Do you think this is an improbable guess or assumption? Based on my admittedly limited knowledge of how a college education correlates with critical thinking skills, I will bet that I am right.

                    In any case, whether or not you think I am a snotty elitist matters only to the extent that your inaccurate view will damage the effectiveness of our future exchanges. Yes, I am snotty toward individuals who repeatedly dip from the trough of false media even after they are shown the error of their sources. I am intentionally snotty because I have no patience for those who do not learn the simplest lessons from their mistakes when they have the intelligence and ability to do so.

                    Under educated white folks have a right to vote. In this election, polling has shown they are much more likely to believe certain lies that have been spread by certain false media outlets. If believing that demographic is less knowledgeable than the college educated is snotty then so be it.

                    I feel I have perhaps veered from the core subject but maybe it helps you understand my position.

          2. Live to Learn profile image81
            Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            It's asinine rhetoric such as this that makes coming together as a country impossible. The 'Agree with me or you're an uneducated idiot' shtick shows the ignorance of the speaker not the group they seek to insult.

        2. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          "You want to blame someone or something for a Trump victory? Blame the corruption within the DNC that worked so diligently against Sanders' bid for the nomination."

          No, let's place responsibility right where it lies, with those who voted for Trump. Own it, because this idiot belongs to you now. Trump voters cannot weasel out of what they have unleashed upon the rest of us.

          1. Live to Learn profile image81
            Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Had the democrats fielded a respectable candidate Trump wouldn't have had a chance. Your party is corrupt and the majority of Americans pointed this out with their vote. Until you own that you can't blame anyone.

        3. Brie Hoffman profile image82
          Brie Hoffmanposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          I concur wholeheartedly!

        4. Kathleen Cochran profile image84
          Kathleen Cochranposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          Can a conservative ever stop labeling people who disagree with them?

          1. Live to Learn profile image81
            Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            I'm sorry. Was it not a liberal I was responding to? Is using the name someone has chosen to identify with 'labeling' someone or simply accepting their own assessment?

      3. Credence2 profile image88
        Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        What this election has taught me is that Trump is AMERICA and AMERICA is Trump, if I can bear the winters perhaps it is time to take up the Snagglepuss line, 'exit, stage left' on to Montreal. I will watching with glaring eye and baited breath for the holocaust to come.

        1. ahorseback profile image52
          ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Better check with the Canadian authorities , After all it's only that easy to get into America , the other countries have expectations of good morals , integrity and high expectations !

          You actually have to be welcomed into some countries !

          1. Brie Hoffman profile image82
            Brie Hoffmanposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Good point!

        2. GA Anderson profile image86
          GA Andersonposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Wait, wait! I can't let you leave with that bad eye and wormy breath. An eagle eye and minty bated breath will probably get you closer to your point.

          GA

        3. Brie Hoffman profile image82
          Brie Hoffmanposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          See Ya!

        4. Pax Pacis profile image83
          Pax Pacisposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

          1. Kathleen Cochran profile image84
            Kathleen Cochranposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Take heart in the fact that those who elected him are now responsible for what happens.  They'll trade it for a bunch of emails in a heartbeat.

      4. Connor Oborn profile image60
        Connor Obornposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        ur thoughts are exactly what mine were when u racsists elected Barry my former HS classmate at Punahou prep school in Honolulu. now u get to live thru the crap we had to endure only difference is monetarily u will prosper just from our coat tails...lucky u

    3. PrettyPanther profile image85
      PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Popping in from my weeks-long hiatus to say this is a sad, ugly day in America.  You all who chose this hideous, nasty excuse for a human being get what you deserve, but the rest of us have to endure your horrendous choice. 

      World, I apologize to you.  Perhaps this presidency will blow up the U.S. as you know it and save you from the stupid Americans.  We'll probably be replaced with something worse, but hey, about half of us wanted that.  They voted for it.

      1. Live to Learn profile image81
        Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        I will apologize to the world also for the childish, melodramatic and shortsighted nature of our citizens. Your post epitomizes why I would apologize.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          We shall see,won't we? I was right about GWB and Little Donnie makes Dubya look like an intellectual.and spiritual powerhouse. Y'all wanted to blow up the system. Don't blame us when your dreams come true.

          1. ahorseback profile image52
            ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Another disappointed voice of sensation heard from , Please ...........!   I hope you remember these words when in a year or so when your thoughts go  , "Maybe Trumps  not so bad after all "   happens.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image85
              PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              We will see, won't we?

              1. Connor Oborn profile image60
                Connor Obornposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                what i don't get with ur processing or  lack there of...is how did u get this way? there is a way to fix ur processing...enlist in the Military learn why we do what we do in the USA even when it means putting up with ppl like u and the processing that is way off...only tells me u have had a life without  service to others and u haven't had to work for much its all been given to u too freely and when that happens there is always a lack of appreciation

                1. wrenchBiscuit profile image89
                  wrenchBiscuitposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13276169.jpg

                  Enlist in the military?  Being in the military doesn't give everyone the keys to the kingdom. Someone high on drugs might believe such nonsense, but in the military there is the concept  of "need to know". Only if an individual has a need to know can they possibly qualify for certain security clearances. And that is subject to change whenever that need to know no longer exists. I had  top secret clearances for two years while working at CINCPACFLT Headquarters. That clearance was revoked once I was transferred and no longer had a "need to know".

                  I was privy to sensitive information that my Navy friends at Pearl Harbor had no clue about. And of course, I never talked about what I knew, as part of my job was processing sensitive documents. Consequently, in some cases I knew more about the "why of it all" than many of my friends who did not have a need to know. In other cases I was processing code that I did not understand myself. Having been inside the belly of the beast, I can tell you that after 6 years I have no appreciation for the evil that I participated in.

                  The fact is, I was involved in maintaining a war machine for 6 years. Not only that, but everyday we were at sea we were ordered by the Captain to throw all of our garbage into the Pacific Ocean. That included food from the mess hall, industrial waste, plastic, you name it; everything went over the fantail into the beautiful blue Pacific! And so I was also an accessory to the destruction of the environment as well. My lack of appreciation for an evil government is based on the racist Colonialist oppression of over 500 years, and my own experience of participating in a business that ultimately leads to the killing of innocent men, women, and children. The elections of Obama and Trump reveal that the Oligarchy is getting desperate, and that they are running out of distractions. It is an interesting take on the classic "good cop / bad cop" routine.

                  1. The Old Guard profile image82
                    The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    I'd agree with the obama pick, but Trump, who had everybody against him?
                    Unless it was the biggest con in history, and I will give it time to play out to see if that's the case. I trust nothing in the U.S. Government.
                    With the picks he's had so far, Trump may or may not be the puppet of the "hidden government".
                    If he is, then America is doomed.
                    If he actually tries to "drain thee swamp', then there's hope.
                    Because if he doesn't drain the swamp, a violent uprising will occur. And it won't be the wimpy stuff we're seeing in the streets right now. The uprising, if Trump does turn his back on his promises, will be deadly.
                    We live in interesting times!


                    http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13276329_f248.jpg

            2. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
              Kathryn L Hillposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this
          2. Live to Learn profile image81
            Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            I'm not entirely happy that the republicans swept through both houses and took the White House. But I am happy to see Hillary booted to the curb. Can't have everything.

      2. Credence2 profile image88
        Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Say it ain't so, Panther!

        The unimaginable has happened. As for the polls and pollsters, I am reminded of the scene from 'Back to the Future' where Doc Brown was wearing his tin hat in the attempt to read Marty McFly's mind, before angrily coming to the conclusion 'that this damn thing does not work at all'.

        This is all one big looney toon, to the AMERICAN people I say, "always remember, you asked for it".

      3. Brie Hoffman profile image82
        Brie Hoffmanposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        What, compared to Hilary the greatest liar of mankind, the woman who bleach bit her 33,000 subpoena'd emails, the woman who berated and threatened her husband's rape victims, the woman who lied to the FBI, the woman who ran a charity that stole millions of dollars from Haitians while giving the money to her daughter for a $10,000,000 dollar wedding..you mean that is your pillar of virtue..PUHLEEZEEE!

        1. Misfit Chick profile image92
          Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          The woman who believed all those things!!! (That would be you.) I am amazed at the continual liberal-bashing in here. Are you people DEAF?!!

          LIBERALS HELPED PUT YOUR GUY INTO OFFICE! Trump would NOT HAVE WON IF so many unhappy DEMOCRATS hadn't voted along with you. People were expecting Democrats for Bernie who were MAD at Hillary to 'do the right thing' after Trump started becoming more & more ridiculous - which is one of the reasons WHY everyone was so SURPRISED that he won, EVEN TRUMP!!!

          The media has SPUN your mind as much as anyone else's; so STOP acting like you're all that.

          1. The Old Guard profile image82
            The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            I might believe that some liberals might have come to the conclusion that their concepts and perceptions were wrong, and that because of that event, they voted for Trump.
            And yet, I can see socialists voting for Trump as a way to stop the criminal hillary killary clinton from getting into the White House.
            If that's the case, thanks demoncraps for picking such a lousy candidate for president! Couldn't have been a poorer choice unless you picked the sex offender Weiner.
            Demoncraps can, at times, be exceptionally stupid.
            Have a happy day!

      4. Kathleen Cochran profile image84
        Kathleen Cochranposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        In four years they will turn again to Democrats to clean up their mess - again.

    4. gmwilliams profile image86
      gmwilliamsposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Yes, Trump has won despite the odds.  Americans got wind of Hillary's unethical behavior & decided that she didn't have the character to be president.  Well, it is QUITE a SURPRISE.   I guess now some celebrities will be leaving the country.  Well, BYE BYE!!!

      1. Credence2 profile image88
        Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        It scary that this coarse, brutal man is the people's choice. Hillary Clinton was gracious enough to congratulate Trump on his victory. Do you think he would have done the same if Hillary won? I doubt it, he would have scurried into some corner somewhere, hurling accusations and sulking like a 2 year old.

        But, the people have spoken and I will abide with their decision. But until he sends me to one of his proposed gulags, I will watch and comment on his every step.....

        1. Kathleen Cochran profile image84
          Kathleen Cochranposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          I admire that.  I don't have it in me any more.  Remember the movie Field of Dreams?  The writer says "I don't have any pain left for any of you."  That's me.  I wrote.  I shared information.  I answered questions.  Nothing helped.

          I live in a country that could do this?

          1. Live to Learn profile image81
            Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            roll The same could be said had Hillary been elected. I wouldn't have said it, but I wouldn't have thought it odd had someone else done so.

            1. Misfit Chick profile image92
              Misfit Chickposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              I've posted this elsewhere, but this seems to be a pretty good spot, too:

              The reason why you didn't see these protests was because the majority of people weren't nearly as concerned about Obama having a 'hateful disposition' meant to intentionally stir up hard feelings among our DIVERSE population AND the entire world. Also, he had the 'book knowledge' and some political experience to do the job. We may have elected 'someone unusual'; but we didn't elect an irresponsible, hate-mongering, spiteful jerk. Obama & Hillary have both been quite gracious losers. The other side was threatening us with GUNS if they lost!! I suppose we should all be grateful.

              Hillary lost for three reasons:

              1) The electorial college vs popular vote. FYI, because the GOP won BUT didn't win the popular vote means that MOST people in this country did NOT vote for their policies. Thus, the protests.

              2) The majority of white Christian women for some reason obviously don't think the same way about things as other Christian women of other races. The same thing goes for men, but they have an easier time throwing the excuse of 'we're ANGRY' at the world.

              3) Comey's conveniently-timed, illegal stunt that was designed to remind people of Hillary's 'badness' over The Donald's at a critical juncture AT THE END of the race.

              This is why INDEPENDENTS (not 'liberals' or 'democrats') are ANGRY with the election results:

              1) You vote only the way Republicans and/or your Preachers TELL you to (Franklin Graham!) - like, KEEP voting FOR rich people because THEY have the money to let us work menial jobs beneath them so they can pay us peanuts; and their money can 'trickle down' to us humble folks. (Jesus doesn't want anyone to have any money anyway, right?)

              2) Vote FOR wars because we all know that whomever we are fighting are NOT Christians; and therefore we are 'on the side of God' when we go to war. Those heathens NEED to either accept JC as their savior and DO WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO - or DIE. Its unfortunate, but NOT OUR FAULT that they will go to hell.

              3) Vote FOR anyone who is Pro-Life in order to eliminate abortions in this country (no matter WHAT); because GOD is judging us for murdering babies. That's why our country is like it is; and in FACT, there is a verse in the WORD of GOD that SAYS a country will be judged for this crime! It AMAZES me how much they completely ignore trying to fix the REASONS WHY women choose abortion & attempting to fix them. It should also be noted that CHRISTIAN WOMEN are the ones who acquire the MOST abortions in this country (seach for my hub question titled, Why do Christian women utilize the 'sin' of abortion the most). There are statistics.

              4) They are so damn scared of HELPING each other out through what they consider to be 'socialism' - its ridiculous! What a bunch of SELFISH, UNLOVING, HATEFUL brats. Sorry, LOVE is not a word that comes to mind.

              Jesus Christ was at least a semi-Socialist:

              Matt 25: "For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

              Matthew 5 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others?"

              If you are a Christian and HATE me for saying any of this - do a heart check. I know, it doesn't usually help you because you're all always so damn RIGHT. But every once in a while it does WONDERS. I know, because I am someone who managed to realize how mind-controlling that religion IS and squirmed my way OUT. Christians have absolutely NO IDEA what it means to actually be FREE - although they sure believe they are. Its HARD to admit that the big eye controls YOU.

              Our deep divisions are as profitable as any war; and are very possibly perpetuated intentionally. It is always the SAME government in that office - just varying shades of who cares about the people who live here. The chasm that exists through both America & The World is a lot more simple than most people realize. SEARCH for - Christians & ex-Christians Prove God Exists by Debunking Salvation: Science & Spirituality Reveal the Real Jesus Christ

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              Really... Am I the only one who has any respect for McCain as a Veteran? I might have voted for him instead of Obama if he has not picked scary-as-trump Palin as his VP.

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              Right, this last one isn't a donald quote; but still profoundly true all the same.

              1. Live to Learn profile image81
                Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                And I responded to this when you first posted it on the Dangerous Liberals thread. I'm not in the habit of posting the same thing in multiple spots. It seems like spam, to me.

                1. Misfit Chick profile image92
                  Misfit Chickposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Yeah, I just respond to you over there. I could protest in other ways besides spamming - but I'd rather have an intelligent response returned.

                  The reason why you didn't see these protests was because the majority of people weren't nearly as concerned about Obama having a 'hateful disposition' meant to intentionally stir up hard feelings among our DIVERSE population AND the entire world. Also, he had the 'book knowledge' and some political experience to do the job. We may have elected 'someone unusual'; but we didn't elect an irresponsible, hate-mongering, spiteful jerk. Obama & Hillary have both been quite gracious losers. The other side was threatening us with GUNS if they lost!! I suppose we should all be grateful.

                  Hillary lost for three reasons:

                  1) The electorial college vs popular vote. FYI, because the GOP won BUT didn't win the popular vote means that MOST people in this country did NOT vote for their policies. Thus, the protests.

                  2) The majority of white Christian women for some reason obviously don't think the same way about things as other Christian women of other races. The same thing goes for men, but they have an easier time throwing the excuse of 'we're ANGRY' at the world.

                  3) Comey's conveniently-timed, illegal stunt that was designed to remind people of Hillary's 'badness' over The Donald's at a critical juncture AT THE END of the race.

                  Our deep divisions are as profitable as any war; and are very possibly perpetuated intentionally. It is always the SAME government in that office - just varying shades of who cares about the people who live here. The chasm that exists through both America & The World is a lot more simple than most people realize. SEARCH for - Christians & ex-Christians Prove God Exists by Debunking Salvation: Science & Spirituality Reveal the Real Jesus Christ

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                  1. Live to Learn profile image81
                    Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Now you are spamming. If you can't respond to me in the other thread do you honestly think posting the same misinterpretation of events over and over will somehow make your point more credible?

      2. Connor Oborn profile image60
        Connor Obornposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        i think we need to get an amazing rally to escort these Babs like celebs going to Canada wave good by to them from their private jets. I wonder if they know the weather in Canada is not like Malibu or Santa Barbara Beverly Hills or Santa Monica? and forget Palm Springs there isn't any place in Canada like PS Ca. and if they were to try to sneek back in to the USA it would be big news given they'd have to admit their far left whacked Lib mindset was and is all WRONG hopefully we can buy their properties up for sale at bargain prices

        1. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          I wonder if you've noticed that Republican disdain for Hollyweird celebrities disappears when they stick an "R" beside their name and run for office? Trump, Reagan, Schwarzenegger, Thompson, Bono, the list goes on. We've got lonely Al Franken. I think we should run Will Smith next time. Y'all will probably vote for him because he saved the planet from aliens on Independence Day.

          By the way, we're still waiting for O'reilly and Limpbaugh to leave. They said they would years ago.

          1. The Old Guard profile image82
            The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Isn't this so true of politicians?
            But, it's more fun pointing  this towards hillary killary and her sex addict husband.
            HAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
            Cheers

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            1. Live to Learn profile image81
              Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              lol lol That is the funniest poster I've seen on these forums thus far.

              1. claptona profile image82
                claptonaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                A laugh is good!
                Cheers

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                1. Credence2 profile image88
                  Credence2posted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  I have to admit this one was good for a chuckle or two.

              2. The Old Guard profile image82
                The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                Happy to bring a laugh to ya!
                Really, in 10 years, what we say here, is it really going to matter?
                Cheers

                1. Live to Learn profile image81
                  Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  It may. The contentious nature of the exchanges may cause greater division in our country. Simply because only a few may read a particular post doesn't negate the fact that the attitude created by it will send ripples out with everyone who reacted to it.

    5. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      LOL. And I was thinking last night (as I stood in shock) that all of the conspiracy theories I feared about no way in hell would they let himtake the election were untrue.

      Forget the sack cloth. There are no trains set up to take anyone to Alaska. There is good and bad in everything. We'll find the good in this.

      1. Credence2 profile image88
        Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        I don't know, you and so many of the other conservative posters here kept saying that relative to Clinton, Trump was politically harmless.

        While he may come off as a ham handed ogre, he has the rocket fuel of a GOP Senate and House, so the barbarians are not just at the gate, but have stormed and broken through.

        He will need to add 'rug doctor' to his list of appointees.

        1. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Then we need to stand together as a nation and demand they hear us. Demand they accept the real reason for this upset. That they are not paying attention to the needs of the whole nation. That we are demanding they now do.

          We are not so far apart as so many want to believe.

        2. Connor Oborn profile image60
          Connor Obornposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          so u'd rather have 4 yrs of criminal investigations going on starting 1-20-17 if HRC was elected? and it would not just be her its a long list of criminal actions by those around her.be grateful she was not elected. be grateful that ur 401K has already blossomed be grateful of the new era of BOOM employment the massive infrastructure that is going to take place my gawd wake up

    6. ahorseback profile image52
      ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Credence -What a sad response ,  What about of the positive  reactions to change .    In 2008   you voted for hope and change , in 2012  you did  the same .   The difference  is simple -change did not happen .  Hope - you must admit  never materialized .

      But the right in America sucked it up took a deep breath and took their savings out of the bank and paid their bills with their 401's depleted their reserves of hope  while being laid off again ,   they remortgaged their houses to pay for the Obama-care , now drop it for too high premiums and deductibles and pay the penalty !   We've watched as" the pay for play " of not just Hilary but the ENTIRE CONGRESS AND SENATE  play .   We've watched as Obama  pi$$ed all over America's heritage  , it's military ,  it's constitution .

      Credence - This is not a victory for the  others  but for all of us .   For once the workingman and woman spoke clearly , not wall street, not foreign powers , not another culture  , let us have our run ! If then it doesn't play out  , we can then go back to the "Hope and Change " of the left .   All that the left has to do right now is look beyond the bogus claims and phony election  dialog  and watch for a new reality .
      I think you will see a healing attitude from Trump. That is change enough isn't it ?

      1. Credence2 profile image88
        Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Now it is not hope and change, but fear and dread.

        This is a victory for you and your sort. I have to abide with it as part of the Democratic system, that is lot more than the 'righties' would do. I have no choice but to go along, but you can count on the fact that if he gives in to his authoritarian leanings, or otherwise gets out of line while in Washington, I will be all over him like a cheap suit and honeymoon  for him will be brief before  he sends me and outspoken others to his proposed gulag.

        1. ahorseback profile image52
          ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          One good thing about it though ,   There will finally be a separation between the Clinton Foundation and the government offices and influence that you supported !

          1. Credence2 profile image88
            Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Trump will create his own new and illicit associations....

          2. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Well two wrongs won't make it right. From  an extreme conservative, get rid of all Feds.

            Trump has a longer list of personal revenges than maggots eating at civil war times. How can Trump give sound support to Zionist Israel projects in the middle East and Zionist at a 100%. When pretent to have the energy to go after Zionist bankers like Rothschild own 500 trillion dollars and the Zionist Rockefeller own oil.

            How is any of this possible me to take down these Globalists when Trump himself is the most emtreme Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.  Plus the whole US Government (in disguise) has not the time, ethics and money to do a stronger investigation into bankers.

        2. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Good God. You guys on the far sides are so very ridiculously melodramatic. It isn't righties that put this guy in and it isn't righties he has to account to for this victory. I can assure you that authoritarian leanings and your imagined gulag will be met with more resistance than you on the left can muster.

          1. Credence2 profile image88
            Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            I certainly hope for the sake of many that you are right. But, I will be sleeping with one eye open waiting for his trucks to collect all the 'undesirables'.

            1. Live to Learn profile image81
              Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              Well, this unfounded concern is better than if Hillary had been elected and the actual tax payers awaited being told we'd foot the bill for 10-15 more programs.

    7. rhamson profile image77
      rhamsonposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Don't feel so bad, look at the participants. America had a total chance to get it wrong. The working class finally found someone who spoke to them. Who responded to their loss of good paying jobs plight and was not establishment politics as usual. It really surprised me as I thought the fight had been stomped out of the working class. The millennials were the up and coming votes for ignore others and vote for what you can get for little effort. The real fight will be between Trump and Congress. He needs the tried and true GOP to go along with his more libertarian ideas and by the way kiss and make up to Paul Ryan in the process.

      1. Credence2 profile image88
        Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        What fight? It is a just a disagreement among friends, Congress is totally GOP. So all we have to look forward to is 4 years of right wing bulls*** .

        1. rhamson profile image77
          rhamsonposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Just as Hillary made up a lot of promises in her bid for the White House,Trump made his. What will he choose to expand and pursue? He came from a single payer opinion in the past and Congress wants to kill everything that is a health care alternative to the ACA. They have since the nineties. What Trump will run into is tantamount to herding cats. This will make great "must see TV" by the time the media spins it up. This was almost like watching Survivor with the whole country getting blindsided by the press at Tribal Council. Stay tuned.

    8. Greensleeves Hubs profile image96
      Greensleeves Hubsposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Not quite sure what they wanted - other than the removal of Hillary Clinton - but I think nobody knows what they're going to get, Credence. Or whether they'll want it when they get it.. sad

      1. Live to Learn profile image81
        Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        That's politics in America. We voted in Obama and found ourselves severely disappointed so Trump, if a disappointment, will simply carry on that legacy.

      2. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Here's the thing. Trump made very clear what kind of person he is, what his views are, and what he wants to do if elected. Trump voters knew exactly who and what they voted for. They cannot claim ignorance and they cannot claim that they were duped.

      3. ahorseback profile image52
        ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Let me explain ,  Washington has stopped working ! We want a move away from politics as usual and a return to a people powered  republic-democracy , Washington is mired down in ideological rhetoric , in legislative constipation if you will. It's ideological divide has mired progress down to a halt !       Nothing positive  comes from our "leadership " ,nothing  of action in progressing ANY ability   to help  economics , to improve education , to empower  minorities ,  to advance the job market ,   to stop the exploitation of the American economics abroad,   to stop the erosion of our constitutional rights ,  The cost of government has grown  increasingly high compared to what it delivers  in the promise of the founding fathers.   Freedom, education , liberty , the protection of our borders ,

        Nothing WITHIN party politics has moved or  improved in Washington for  years ,  So , the American people have chosen someone  from OUTSIDE  of Washington .
        Win or lose -  success or failure ,it's that simple !
        Get used to it .

        1. Credence2 profile image88
          Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          And Trump is going to fix all of this? Someone had it right,  Ronald McDonald should pass his clown outfit to Trump. The so called liberal media, if they have the courage of their convictions, should continually hold Trumps feet to the fire before he has them charged for either libel or treason, and otherwise silenced.

          1. Live to Learn profile image81
            Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Kind of like this intimidation at a peaceful protest, under Obama?


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            I listen to what I have found out to be a liberal station. They silenced any voices which might have had something positive to say about Trump.

            I am getting tired of the double standards here. The guy won against the wishes of the Washington elite, against the wishes of both political machines and in the face of a very liberal media. I find it increasingly hilarious that the left has used every dirty trick in the book and now are accusing Trump, even before he takes office, of doing likewise.

            Let's give the guy a break, and a chance.

          2. ahorseback profile image52
            ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Don't fret Credence , the liberal media will continue the critique of the Trump presidency like never before .  99 % pure bias is always going to be 99% pure bias, perhaps with one percent  B.S. .   I know one thing for sure ,  leftist  ideology is permanent , Of course YOUR media is in your pocket ! ....While conservative America had to run on pure  truth and conviction among the voters without the benefit of fair media .
            That won't be forgotten soon.

            1. Credence2 profile image88
              Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              I don't know about that truth and conviction rubbish. And yes, there will be plenty of liberal media watching and critiquing Trump every move. I would not have it any other way. If he is the supposed Mesiah, he should not be afraid of the scrutiny? He might consider it blasphemy.

              1. Live to Learn profile image81
                Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                Who the f**k ever called the guy the Mesiah?

                Are you all so irrational that you can't stay within the parameters of reason? Does grief strike you such? It doesn't have the same effect on me. Had Hillary won I doubt I'd have made one bitchy complaint about her. It would be 'Oh. OK. Let's see what happens.'

                As to the liberal media watching Trump like a hawk...how is that any different from yesterday?

                1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                  PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Um, on these forums, he has been called a "Savior."  He has been pictured as the God, "Thor."  Did you not notice these things?

                  1. Live to Learn profile image81
                    Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Savior doesn't have to have religious connotations although I think savior is quite the stretch. The Thor thing. Whew that was pretty weird.

          3. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            He might (fix it).  Probably not, but he might.

            But there is exactly zero chance that Clinton would have - on the contrary she would have made it as much worse as she could.  It is the "progressive" platform, after all - to "progress" towards ever greater government that operates FOR the government and not the people.

      4. Credence2 profile image88
        Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        While he attempts to ban opposition media for not fawning over him, the old adage applies, be careful what you wish for, you might get it!

        He has shown himself as petty and vindictive, a trait that is inconsistent with access to the nuclear launch codes, and those two snotty nosed sons with the Dracula hairstyles will be insufferable.

        We live in a global village, and change in direction of this magnitude here is going to affect the globe. For us, it is be afraid, be very afraid. Michael Moore, media personality, has said that the BREXIT thing may well have international ramifications. It is just that nobody wanted believe it.

    9. Misfit Chick profile image92
      Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      There is absolutely no reason to eat any crow. We can't control angry minds, we can only respond to them. And thankfully, most of us non-conservatives aren't nearly as fond of Guns. That could very well be why 'God' allowed Trump to win; cuz his conservative fanatics wouldn't have been able to handle a different outcome, LoL!).

      I have personally found a new way to constructively-vent my concerns over this election, and have every intention of continuing: by plastering a short link to my spotlight article at the end of every 'hot' political news story for about an hour every morning & evening, with this message:

      The deep divide that exists down the center of both America & The World is a lot more simple than most people realize. Its time to wake up and get things into perspective. SEARCH - Christians & ex-Christians Prove God Exists by Debunking Salvation: Science & Spirituality Reveal the Real Jesus Christ

      I've had a HUGE spike in curiosity!

      We ALL have complaints about this election; but the truth is... America is obviously VERY divided, and Trump was finally able to pop the angry whitehead, ha! Democrats were divided from the beginning, which helped Trump a LOT. (Sorry, conservatives really should stop trying to take so much credit).

      Watch what happens next election and over the next four years. Those will be more revealing about us 'as a whole' than this election. Trump will either be 'the vessel' that we needed to help navigate us into a better world; OR we will discover he brings 'negative contrast' that we don't want - and we can then 'steer' our way toward another, potentially-better option.

      Congratulations, Trumpsters! You've demonstrated Democracy in action; and this will probably be THE GOP'S LAST CHANCE to FORCE erroneous conservative beliefs down the country's throat. Conservative worries & concerns are not why Trump is headed toward that office, now. He did use their sensitive, angry hearts, however. And that is MY biggest complaint against him.

      Trump would not have won if he had not hijacked the GOP, giving good Christian folks who are embedded into that party - NO other option. Good girls simply CAN'T vote for someone who is 'for abortion' as most of them view Dems to be.

      1. Credence2 profile image88
        Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        MC, I refer to eating crow for the reason of why I and so many of the tea leaf people could have been SO wrong in predicting the actual outcome. I was more against Trump than I was for Clinton, but I expected her to win. We all did, talk about  Blind sighting..

        This is the rise of the dark forces, as in the Empire Strikes Back. Thor and his golden hammer goes down on our heads.

        This was time for the anti-establishment candidate and our side did not pay attention, as HC was the very contradiction of that ideal. The DNC machine is responsible for this tsunami known as Donald J. Trump, the anointed one. A man elected to the highest office in the land as coarse and vulgar as any since Lyndon Johnson. But he makes LBJ look like an alter boy in comparison.

        Trump is camera shy and will do his dirty deeds through his henchmen, with the press disinvited. We are in trouble now that Trump will pack the court with sclorotic rightwingers, and is of the same party as both that dominating both branches of congress.

        We must organize, peacefully protest, and expose to the world his daily activities, making sure that he is never allowed to not be on the front page, front and center.While so many right wing types say that foreign opinion is irrelevant, they do care because the AMERICAN ideal is a product that is sold, like everything else. Hypocrisy can be exploited by our foes and chastised by our friends and allies. That can't play well indefinitely.

        Trump may well be the wake up call the progressive community needs, the kick in the pants to avoid complacency, not listening and taking the electorate for granted. It was easy to do that with someone as vile as Trump, but as we saw last Tuesday....


        First, Trump will purge those in the GOP that was disloyal and there will be a bloodletting, with the repentant ones begging the Messiah for mercy.

        The GOP will take advantage of this situation to shut down the progressive agenda permanently. All the proposed court appointments will pack the court with conservatives, doubling down on the formaldehyde to extend the viability of the rotting corpse known as the old guard that cling to the GOP, for an additional season or two. So, strap on your whalebone corset for that blast to the past, the ride of your life. They will allow states to ratchet up on voter suppression making sure that the phenomena known as Obama will never happen again. Eveyone from the eternal bird brain, Sarah Palin, to the arrogant and pompous frog mouth, Newt Gingrich, will be his closest advisors and considered Cabinet material. Yes, Virginia, we are in trouble.

        1. Misfit Chick profile image92
          Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Relax, there are plenty of other possiblities now that we know more about how & why the majority of people voted (or didn't vote) the way they did. It helps, because it lets us know where we need support as a country. Trump IS a wake-up call - he'll either become the vessel 'we the people' believe he is to navigate us into a better world; or he will crash & burn, miserably - seriously damaging the GOP, politics and our country further, in the process.

          Trump is the deciding factor on whether or not the GOP will ever be taken seriously ever again. I think we can afford to give them one last chance. smile

    10. jo miller profile image85
      jo millerposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      I'm an old liberal and I've lived in the South all my life.  I'm dismayed but not totally surprised by Trump's win.  I've always seen the racism and bigotry that he made palatable to a large segment of our population.  I take heart in a couple of things: he didn't win the popular vote and demographics in this country are changing. 

      As progressive we need to organize and be active in the political process on a local, state, and national level.  And all of us need to learn to be more civil in our discussions.  I feel angry toward Trump supporters and would like to lash out at them, if not with blows, at least with words.  But they're my neighbors, my friends, my family.  So instead I think I'll get to work.

      1. PhoenixV profile image79
        PhoenixVposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        I'm an old conservative that lives in the south. Although I do not understand those that would ever support hillary, I would never want to "lash out at them, if not with blows".  As far as racism and bigotry painted on the back of a large segment of the population, I wouldnt know. I'm white, I guess and all my actual friends are actually different races or mixed.

      2. Credence2 profile image88
        Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Agreed, we need to keep the public spotlight on Trump so that his every move is subject to analysis by the journalists and those that did not vote for him.

        As I say, don't get mad, get even. The man is a ham handed clod, he will get out of line soon enough. We will be prepared to help focus the world's cameras on the United States and its leadership when he does.

    11. Kathleen Cochran profile image84
      Kathleen Cochranposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Not my monkey.  Not my responsibility. 

      Where were the 80 million registered voters who didn't vote?  Hiding under a rock probably.

      1. Misfit Chick profile image92
        Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Well, that's not a very enlightened statement, is it? "Not my monkey.  Not my responsibility." When all humans realize that they HELP CREATE this crazy reality, we'll start accomplishing something.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Even monkeys unionized and stop working picking fruit in Indonesia. They demanded more food for themselves before they starting to work again.

          1. Kathleen Cochran profile image84
            Kathleen Cochranposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Good luck with that.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image22
              Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              Personally I would not hire them.

              It is just funny how they are biologically 99℅ like us. It natural you can't work right a
              or enjoy it when your over worked and under feed.

      2. Live to Learn profile image81
        Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        I'm afraid I can't blame them much. Given the options it was impossible to completely want either of them. I think most voted against one or the other but I can certainly understand a feeling of not wanting either and throwing up your hands in disgust.

        1. Aime F profile image84
          Aime Fposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Here's where I struggle with this:

          Pick a third party.  Don't people hate the two party system?  How is that going to change if people decide not to vote at all if they don't like either of the two parties?  Seems counterintuitive.  Everyone individually probably thinks "my vote for anyone else doesn't matter" but when you have 80 million people saying that it makes no sense.  Those people could have mattered.

          I know people also like to moan that a third party vote is "wasted" but that's ridiculousness.  If you can't stomach a vote for someone then don't vote for them.  But surely people can find a platform that at least somewhat speaks to them, a place to put their vote for someone/something that stands for what's important to them in even the tiniest way.  I've voted third party here before.  Did my party get elected?  Not even close.  Did I feel bad about placing a vote with a party whose platform I related to most?  Not even close.  A tiny voice is still a voice, and all of our collective decisions are just a bunch of tiny voices speaking together.

          It's everyone's right to not vote but I have trouble understanding it.  Like damn, I think I might even get those people who wrote in votes for Harambe more than the people who didn't vote at all.

          1. Live to Learn profile image81
            Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Well I saw huge problems in both candidates but I voted anyway. Not for a third party because that is as effective as not voting at all. I would love for this election to be the impetus for a strong third party to arise. Middle ground.A platform which represents those who have become the independents. We are, truly, the majority which always must compromise our beliefs when choosing a party to support.

    12. wrenchBiscuit profile image89
      wrenchBiscuitposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13274506.jpg

      Spurs Coach Greg Popovich said, " just sick to my stomach because of the disgusting tenor and tone and all of the comments that have been xenophobic, homophobic, racist, misogynistic,” and that the scariest part was living in a “country where half of the people ignored all of that to elect someone.”

      Just like I have maintained all along, a great many  Americans possess a low IQ, and are either racist or indifferent to the plight of minorities. Same as it ever was!  If not for the biological weapon of Small Pox used against my people, the evil Colonizers, rapists, murderers, and thieves  would have never gained a foothold on this continent. And just as I have also maintained,  many Christians in the U.S. are flaming hypocrites.  It was Donald Trumps racism that appealed most to white voters and those pretending Jesus. And the greedy women and people of color who voted for Trump apparently ignored the racism and misogyny with the hope that his wealth would rub off on them. That equals low IQ ... which equals stupid.

      Instead of voting for the lesser of two evils the American people could have boycotted the entire election process. That is what a whelming intelligent populace would have done. But we don't have that here, as the intelligent people are greatly outnumbered by the ignorant and the greedy. The election of Donald Trump is empirical evidence that my assessment of the American mainstream has consistently been spot on. And his election makes it impossible for anyone to raise an argument to the contrary.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        Many of those intelligent Americans famous national treasures are leaving to live in other countries. Many Republican on threads here like to rub that in and help tbem pack their bags. Have not seen this much great divide since GW Bush. How long can each president keep getting much worst, before everything collapses?

        1. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          Wow. Way to ignore everything you chose to in order to unfairly criticize. First we'll have to see who is leaving and who is simply expressing sour grapes.

  2. Stevennix2001 profile image84
    Stevennix2001posted 3 weeks ago

    I f**king knew it.  For those of you who might remember, I said this in another forum thread a while back that I predicted Trump was going to win the election.  Granted, I did start to have doubts about that considering how blatantly obvious the media and the establishment was trying to rig the election in Hilary's favor.  But the fact that Trump won doesn't really surprise me.  Hilary has too many scandals around her to be the least bit likable. 

    And considering she's been part of the establishment for years, she was too big of a target for Trump.  If you guys watched the debates, it's kind of obvious that Trump's debate style was persuasive, and he's great at dishing out insults to people.  Hilary and Bill were tailored made opponents for him.  The only real presidential candidate that could've beaten Trump was Bernie Sanders.

    If Bernie would've gotten the nomination from the democrats like he should've, then Trump never would've had a chance in hell of beating him.  Seriously, Bernie has a squeaky clean record, so Trump wouldn't have anything to really attack him on other than he's a socialist, which doesn't matter because Bernie admits to that openly anyway.

    Plus, anytime Trump would've lost a debate to Sanders, he wouldn't be able to cry to the media or social media claiming how he actually won, and how the establishment favors bernie because bernie is a political outsider too, so Trump wouldn't have been able to get away with that s***.  With Hilary Clinton?  Oh you bet your a** he got away with it.  Now, I weep for future generations.

    Thank god David Dukes lost his bid for the senate office in Louisiana at least...otherwise I probably would've ended up killing myself tonight, but thank god that didn't happen at least.....

    1. ahorseback profile image52
      ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      One thing , learn your history - David Duke has lost many times , including running for president  !      And Bernie -----If you knew him like we do in Vermont where he is a senator - You would know a true  rhetorical ,socialist  wanna-be who  has absolutely  O legislative accomplishment !

    2. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      A politicians would not be worth dying over. If you don't like the nuclear weather, move.

      You can't believe what Trump says, he said is 100% behind Israel then says he is against bankers and Globalists. What a line of ultimate pure PHD BS that he Sold to so many US CITIZENS (not true Americans). Trump sold you into US Corporatism servants and slaves. He is a snake, back door politician, if anyone believe all the things he is saying he is going to do,  you live among the funny pages. Like a Walmart happy face, yet sad in the insides.

      1. ahorseback profile image52
        ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        " Not True Americans"............I suggest you might be right but   what you perceive as true Americans , is extremely twisted ,     And , your particular living and political situation reflects that perfectly .    I believe those who hold opinions like yours are selfish ,  bigoted , biased and bent into your own sense of  political ideology by arrogance .

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          1 I do have a little ego about of world class road record in sports and arts. In What
          is Trump's world class status, desides aroggrant of calling himself a winner all the time and putting down most all others.

          2 . The only thing I'm bigotry of is the take over of Globalists  Corporatism, Religion can not sucker me into anything, where they can.

          Trump is worldclass at something, the greatest two face liar, Hippocratically about Corporatism.

          3. Not selfish, self serve first yes, in order to serve humanity best. I sacrifice much of my art work to build natural self substainable tiny house communities that 90% of people can afford vs most people who can not afford a house. Trump dose not give 2 sh_ts about natural environment. The greatest threat to humanity.

          4. I'm political bent and bias about Politics. I love fairytales, just not the US Corporatism federal kind that dose more harm than good.

    3. Credence2 profile image88
      Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      We are not off the hook yet, in deference to the KKK and Aryan Nations, Trump might reward DAVID Duke with a Cabinet Post, head of INS, perhaps.

      He will fill a termite infested cabinet with likes of Juliani, Gingrich, Ann Coulter, and of course, that sage of the age, Sarah Palin.

      Who do I blame for the upcoming 4 years of darkness that is to befall us.

      you are right and I have warned Progressives about the danger of a Trump victory when first of all not testing the winds selecting Clinton over Sanders

      Second, Clinton spent too much of her candidacy keeping the skeletons in her own closets from tumbling to the floor each time the door was opened.

      Third, her Veep choice was unwise and uninspired, she ignored the element of excitement  and popular support generated from the Sanders run. Liz Warren as VP, for example, would at least allow Sandinistas a sense that Hillary wasn't turning a tin ear to their concerns.

      This was her election to lose and somehow she managed it.

      1. Stevennix2001 profile image84
        Stevennix2001posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        I agree with everything you just said.  Although we have to give credit where credit is due.  Trump ran a great campaign.  Not supporting the guy, but we have to be honest about that.  I don't know who is campaign manager was, but whoever it is deserves a raise.  Hell, if I'm Trump, I'm buying that person christmas presents this year, as whoever managed his campaign did a helluva a job.

        1. ahorseback profile image52
          ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          That person was Kelly Anne Conway - By the way if liberals really care about progress and " Glass Ceilings " - The first woman to ever run a successful presidential campaign !

          Talk about Brilliance - I hope she remains in the cabinet .

          1. PrettyPanther profile image85
            PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Kellyanne Conway is good at her job. I just hope she is able to sleep at night.

            1. ahorseback profile image52
              ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              Wow ,  Have you all read this ?   A liberal woman congratulating a conservative woman for her accomplishments ,   without the usual partisan  demonizing  of them ?  You had better be careful , the left might send  you back to socialist  repatriation camp.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                I am not a socialist, for about the thousandth time.  I know you like to categorize me to fit in your pretty little box so you don't have to actually think about what I say here, but that doesn't mean I don't see right through it.  Sadly, so do others, but you seem to be blissfully unaware of your ridiculous stereotyping based on an appallingly large amount of false and imagined information.

        2. Credence2 profile image88
          Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Who knows, the GOPmay have been playing all of us with the Good cop-bad cop routine, as if there were really a difference in mainstream Republicans and the Trump faction. Trump, not only earns an EMMY for his performance, but has won the Presidency.

  3. Connor Oborn profile image60
    Connor Obornposted 3 weeks ago

    yes isn't odd that the Libs who loved the corruption of HRC wanted it to continue in general corruption always has a price in the USA this corruption cost the poor and the uneducated to keep them that way. a good percentage of Blacks finally saw thru this corruption and how they have paid for Dem corruption. and the bigger problem is how Black celebs for the most part signed up for more of the same corruption. shame on Whoopi Goldberg and high end sports celebs Jon BonJovi and the idiot in chief Bruce Spingsteen. whatever the tax increase HRC would have made it would not bother these high end celebs all it does for them is to ease their guilt ridden conscience. Ppl need jobs not hand outs and Thank God this last second abortion is out the window killing a baby cuz it may be inconvenient that is corrupt and EVIL my best advice to all these far left whacked out Liberals find the following  YOUR CONSCIENCE Your Character and find Courage to fight to be Morally in tune with your Creator

  4. wilderness profile image96
    wildernessposted 3 weeks ago

    Perhaps what caught my attention the most in this election was the massive difference between metropolitan and rural areas.

    Whether the state went blue or red, when the state itself was looked at and separated into counties, there is a mass of red with a few blue counties in metropolitan areas.  Whether New York or Virginia, Pennsylvania or Texas, the state is a sea of red surrounding metropolitan areas.  Even California, with it's massive cities and liberal bias, followed the trend with rural areas going red.

    Was that Clinton's real problem?  That Democrats (and Republicans as well, for that matter) have ignored the blue collar workers and producers that built this country for the ivory towers in the big cities while Trump spoke to them?  That the farmers, the workers building your home, those that dirty their hands and break their backs have been ignored for years?

    It cannot be more clear that that is what carried Donald Trump to the presidency - will our masters in the swamp learn anything from this election?

    1. ahorseback profile image52
      ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      I think the swamp masters had better learn something  from the American voices , sadly , I see that that map  with the over-lay of the map of America from space at night , shows me there are huge gaps between population centers , inner city dwellers and rural America .

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        I don't see it sad at all, that there is a big space between population centers.  If you pack rats in their cage too tightly they go mad and destroy each other.  Likely would vote Democratic if they could! big_smile

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Just put tag team pro wrestlers politician in a ring and watch them tear US apart. Look at most top US entertainment movies where people are tearing each other up physically.

    2. Credence2 profile image88
      Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      You look at geography, but progressives win based on population, several rural counties cannot have the pull of one LA county. The will of the people is based upon numbers, not geography.

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        And the will of the people was Trump this time.  More numbers.

        But I DO find it interesting - that the liberal vote is so highly concentrated in the rat races of cities rather in the working people that grew this country into the greatest on earth.  Just seems like there is some deeper meaning here, maybe because the money to buy liberal politicians with is so concentrated in cities rather than in farms.  Or maybe because the tighter we pack them in, the greater the desire to control their neighbors.  Or because the higher the population density the more reliance on someone else to provide services (more police, water, sewer, transportation, etc.).

        Not sure just WHY it is, but the trend seems quite obvious.

        1. gmwilliams profile image86
          gmwilliamsposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Have to agree on this one.  The American people spoke & in droves; however, some Liberals refuse to acknowledge this.  They are very angry.   Oh well.........

          1. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            They certainly did.  Against the desires and instructions of the liberal elite, against the desires and instructions of the conservative elite and against the desires and instructions of the corporate world (embodied in media). 

            Will it be heard past year-end?  Will it be remembered, or must they shout even louder (don't know that could happen, though! smile)

            1. PrettyPanther profile image85
              PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              I'm confused why you would ask it if would be remembered?  Trump will be president.  How could it be forgotten?  big_smile

        2. Aime F profile image84
          Aime Fposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Or maybe it's because there are more varied demographics in cities.  Maybe it's because everyone interacts with different people from different backgrounds and different status every day.  Maybe they talk more and understand each other more.  Maybe they value progressive social policies and protecting and defending and helping each other more. 

          Or are we incapable of attributing possible positive attributes to Democrats/liberals?  big_smile

          1. Live to Learn profile image81
            Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Couldn't we just call them satan spawn and leave it at that? What good ever comes of being reasonable?

            Just kidding. Good points.

        3. Credence2 profile image88
          Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          So, the people in large cities do not work, how arrogant and flintstonian is this? Who are you to say that city dwellers are less deserving than some sod buster. It is one man, one vote, or does fascism find a place within your core? Perhaps, Idaho is not just another planet....

          I thought that your perspective would be sophisticated than talking about some natural nobility of country folk over city folk, that rings hollow for me.

          I hope that your man enjoys his victory today. But, if your man gets out of line, it will be short lived.

          Cmon, Your assessment is just some ridiculous theory that does not hold water under any serious evaluation, shooting from the hip?

  5. colorfulone profile image90
    colorfuloneposted 3 weeks ago

    Lightening strikes...pretty weird.
    http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13271104.jpg
    Image from Deplorable Dave:   https://twitter.com/DaveNYviii/status/7 … wsrc%5Etfw

    In Norse mythology, Thor, was called the “god of the common people!”

    I didn't see anyone calling Trump a Savior or a God.   I did post a viral photo from Twitter, because I thought it was fun!   I guess I'll post that photo more... 
    My thread "Trump Is THOR: The god of the common people"
    http://hubpages.com/politics/forum/1381 … on-people-

    I like it  smile ... mythology too.  President Trump 2016!

  6. mrpopo profile image88
    mrpopoposted 3 weeks ago

    *grabs popcorn*

    1. colorfulone profile image90
      colorfuloneposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Hi Mr. Popo!   smile

      http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13271119.jpg

      1. mrpopo profile image88
        mrpopoposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Hey colorful. Happy about Thor winning?

  7. Greensleeves Hubs profile image96
    Greensleeves Hubsposted 3 weeks ago

    Can I just make one more point here? It's just a 'loose use of terminology' issue which seems to have been overlooked, but it does irritate as it distorts what actually happened. On this forum, and on my own, these are some of the quotes I've seen:

    wilderness - The will of the people was Trump this time.  More numbers

    gmwilliams - The American people spoke & in droves (to elect Trump)

    Live to Learn - Your party (Democrat) is corrupt and the majority of Americans pointed this out with their vote

    ahorseback - the American people have chosen someone from OUTSIDE of Washington

    And from the Democrat side:

    credence2 - It is scary that this coarse, brutal man is the people's choice

    I'm not criticising (least of all Credence, whose views I obviously respect greatly), but can I point out it seems highly likely that Hillary Clinton has WON the vote of the majority of the people against Trump? It is only the electoral college system which has given the presidency to Donald Trump. Now I am objective and I recognise that if every vote had 'counted', people may have voted differently, and some may have turned up to vote instead of staying at home, so we can't say what would have happened under a different system. All we can really say is that America is evenly and deeply split.

    Donald Trump has been elected fairly and legitimately under the rules. But to imply that the MAJORITY of the American people chose him against Clinton is not really true.

    1. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      I'm not a fan of the electoral college system but I do smile when I think that a woman who was using the election like a chess game, as most politicians do, counting on the electoral college not the popular vote lost.

      I believe in one person one vote. The horrid vote swapping democrats attempted to use in order to manipulate the electoral college is a prime example of people not caring what is fair, just wanting to manipulate a system to their gain.

      But, it is too soon to state, definitively, that Hillary won more individual votes. That is the initial assessment but they are still counting. Although there are large pockets in various areas throughout our country which do manipulate the numbers through voter fraud. Historically, democrats are more adept at this than Republicans so I will assume that all turned out as it should have.

      Edit. I should also point at that as divisive as our elections have become and how narrowly won; the Congress would do well to do away with the electoral college. We might have a better chance of healing wounds and moving forward if this was not an issue we were destined to argue about after every election.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        I go back and forth about the need for the electoral college.  I'm really starting to believe we don't need it in the modern information age.  Rural/urban people have access to the same information.  I don't see a need to give rural people a slight advantage.  It doesn't make sense to me anymore.

        1. GA Anderson profile image86
          GA Andersonposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Here I go again...

          What if it wasn't perceived as an advantage for rural folks, but as a bit of an equalizer that lessens their, (rural folks), disadvantage to the most populous folks?

          It seems that folks that see our nation as the Republic of states that it is, defend the need and validity of the electoral college, and folks that see our nation as one body of citizens think it is outdated and unfair.

          I could see some validity to the latter's argument... if I didn't have the perspective of the former. Consider that by popular vote, 11 states could control an election. It would take 12 to win by electoral votes.

          GA

          1. Credence2 profile image88
            Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            I generally have supported the electoral college for the stability it brings and the compromise with the hayseed, flyover states, so that they don't get the distinct impression that their votes are of no consequence. When the popular vote was overruled by the Electoral College totals which occurred once in a blue moon, fine, as long as it is not found to supersede the popular vote too often. Maybe, twice in 20 years or  5 election cycles is just too often. We may have to look at reform.

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              Is 4 times in 200 years too often?  Because that's all that it has been.

              I think that before we seriously consider discarding small states from elections that way more information is needed.  Are these two an aberration, not to be repeated for another 100 years?  Or are they becoming the norm as our nation moves to metropolitan living?  If the latter, do we really find it reasonable to exclude small states, or is the tiny advantage something we owe them as a part of the nation? 

              Never forget that a great deal of the constitution was formed around protection of the minority, that the tyranny of the majority not overrun them completely.  Probably our most sacred (pun intended) premise of separation of church and state comes directly from that principle.

          2. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Still since it is a democracy where people vote by the Greatest number of votes registered American. Or it democracy is a lie.

            America is a selection not a election by the people who hire and foot the bill. On top of this an already a stacked deck of Corporatism lobbyist running the country anyways.

            That that why US is Corporation, not a country.

          3. PrettyPanther profile image85
            PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Good point. Like I say, I go back and forth. On the other hand, we have the Senate and house to represent the states. Since federal policy affects the country in its entirety it seems unfair to let the rural vote override the majority vote.

            1. GA Anderson profile image86
              GA Andersonposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              But Linda, Listen to me, listen to me... A Republic of States, a Constitution for a Republic of states, a government structured for a Republic of states... Linda, honey, listen to me listen, listen... Federal policy affects the country in its entirety... [as a Republic of States]

              Maybe I should check it out first, but I am not sure the rural vote overrode the majority vote. They may have swung the scales with their collective effort, but they needed a lot of help from non-rural America to do it.

              And speaking of overriding... if our nation is considered as a Republic of states, and based on democracy as a way to make decisions, then how "fair" does it seem that it would take the will of about 15 states to match the power of the single state of California. Or about 22 states to fight a California/Texas partnership. I don't think the rural folks did any overriding. Out-voted maybe?

              GA

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                Not positive if it's true, and it very likely depends a great deal on definitions, but I did see where 62% of Americans now live in metropolitan areas.  Rural America cannot override that majority no matter how hard it tries.

    2. GA Anderson profile image86
      GA Andersonposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Hello Greensleeves Hubs,

      I hope you don't mind if I use this as a starting point.
      "Donald Trump has been elected fairly and legitimately under the rules. But to imply that the MAJORITY of the American people chose him against Clinton is not really true."

      Although technically correct, I am not sure I would want to hang an argument on the "MAJORITY" vote perspective. A less than 25 thousands of a percent, (.0025), majority. A less than 300,000  out of 119,000,000 million votes majority.

      I think our Electoral college serves a legitimate and needed function. We are a Republic, not a crowd. If a majority is considered, shouldn't it be the majority of states?  30/20, a 20% majority vs a .0025% one?  I think the Electoral College serves as a needed speed bump separating democratic rule from mob rule.

      ps. I think the images of who is protesting in the streets over Trump's win buttress my point.
       
      GA

      1. ahorseback profile image52
        ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        That is spoken to the deaf ears of an outsider , much like telling that to the  rioters right now .    This system DOES work , we don't always have to like that , but it does.

        1. GA Anderson profile image86
          GA Andersonposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          "... the deaf ears of an outsider."

          As in not a club member?

          GA

        2. Credence2 profile image88
          Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          So now that Bozo wins, the system works the way that it was intended? I thought that you said that it was rigged.

        3. Greensleeves Hubs profile image96
          Greensleeves Hubsposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          By suggesting that I have 'deaf ears' you mean that you are right and that anyone who disagrees with you, cannot possibly be listening.

          That is the typical argument-avoidance technique of anyone who is exactly that way inclined - unwilling to listen to alternative points of view.

          Glad you think the system works. Would that have still been the case if Clinton had won?

      2. Greensleeves Hubs profile image96
        Greensleeves Hubsposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Hi. I did make the point that the popular vote is not really conclusive, certainly given that more people would have come out to vote, or switched votes from Independents, if the voting system had been different. Your point about a 300,000 majority confirms that. I'm not really making the case that a majority wanted a Clinton presidency - more that a majority didn't necessarily want a Trump presidency, as some would claim.

        We'd have to agree to differ, but I can't see the case for the Electoral College when electing the president. It denies so many the right to influence the result. I think I read that theoretically a president could be elected with just 30% of the popular vote. Now don't get me wrong - that level of perversity would require a ludricous voting pattern, whereby he won by one vote in many states and got zero support in the rest. Nonetheless, it does demonstrate how the Electoral College can misrepresent the will of all the people.

        I condemn the demonstrations if they break the law (though I suspect you'd have had worse if Clinton had won). But perhaps you wouldn't have such a feeling of injustice to bring the mobs on to the street, if every vote had counted equally?

        1. ahorseback profile image52
          ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          The electoral college works , As any democrat who voted in the primaries  will tell you I'm sure .
          I was talking to a small businessman the other day who said ,  "If Clinton wins My business will continue this decline and I Will have to close my doors soon ,"   

          These  are  the greatest truths about this election :
          - the past eight years have been a political disaster
          -The economy  has to get better or there will be MORE violence in the streets.
          -The distrust in our government is extreme and critically low
          - The institutions FBI, DOJ , are compromised at the top by leftist ideology
          -The belief that Trump can change the path of the economy is real
          -The Media  IS BIASED and complicit  in  the mass of misinformation this in mass media 
          -Socialism nocked  at the door of America ,And  America voted no .
          -

          1. Greensleeves Hubs profile image96
            Greensleeves Hubsposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            'these are the greatest truths'.

            I can only shake my head and smile. Someone once said jokingly that England and America are two nations divided by a common language. Clearly definitions of  'truth' are one of the language differences we have.

            1. ahorseback profile image52
              ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              And you know so much about  American truth, living and being a citizen in England  because.................?

              1. Greensleeves Hubs profile image96
                Greensleeves Hubsposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                There is no such thing as American truth I'm afraid. Truth is truth, founded on fact.

                1. ahorseback profile image52
                  ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  How about this , In America and if your American it is an American truth  ! If you are in England  it is an English truth .    The reality that is America and it's electoral system however is none of you or your country's  business beyond national security ..

                  I thought we already made that clear , in the 17- 1800s'.

                  Have we  got to musket up again ?..........:-}

                  1. Live to Learn profile image81
                    Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    lol

                    Sorry, I simply found that to be rather funny.

                2. Credence2 profile image88
                  Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  We need your imput and those of others from the outside as a healthy barometer as people here are blinded in madness, so often. It is easier to see clearly from outside the fray, and you certainly understand the fundamentals of the American system.

                  Your observations are spot on. I live here and will take a wait and see attitude. I am glad that you are not subject to same upheaval across the pond.

                  1. ahorseback profile image52
                    ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Believe me , England has their own problems - and even less voter power to control the problems.  He agrees with you liberal nearsightedness and  that's why you agree with  him .

                  2. Greensleeves Hubs profile image96
                    Greensleeves Hubsposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Credence2, Thanks very much for the vote of confidence. I do feel I can speak with a degree of objectivity and detachment which may not be so easy for Americans. It's conceivable that Britain may even benefit from this economically - Trump seems to like that we went for Brexit, so maybe we'll get favourable trade deals with him. But one has to look at the bigger picture, and of course I feel the negatives are huge, both for you and for the rest of the world.

                    But enough of the politics for a moment - I hope you all manage to negotiate the next four years without too many tears. Appreciate your comment. smile

                3. PrettyPanther profile image85
                  PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  [Standing and applauding]

        2. GA Anderson profile image86
          GA Andersonposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          I tried to look into your "30%" scenario, and decided I did not want to make it a deep research project. My problem was finding summary sources for voting population vs. population. Which is further complicated by the voter turnout variable.The later was easy to find and look at, the former was less so. But based just on population, it would take 10 or 11 states to control the election by popular vote, and by electoral vote, it would take 12 states. The converse of that would seem to make the same point. I just don't have the desire to try to find that 30% theoretical. It would almost certainly involve 39 or 40 states - at least.

          So I am skeptical that your theoretical is a valid concern.

          I do understand your point about a vote not counting. I am a non-blue voter in a traditionally blue state. But, that is changing, so I can at least think of my past votes as place-holders.

          I think of those lost votes as the price of the mechanism. My perspective is our nation is a Republic of states, not just a nation of citizens, and that popular rule is no different than mob rule. From street corner to nation, it is just a matter of scale. The Electoral College acts both as a bit of an equalizer for small states, and a needed representative layer between the will of the mob and the election.

          GA

  8. PhoenixV profile image79
    PhoenixVposted 3 weeks ago

    Gotta give Credence credit.  He manned up and ate crow.  * Tips hat. 


    Where that alternateprime feller?  Aint seen him since the election.  Kinda worried.


    Alternateprime* sp?   (Google voice)

    1. Credence2 profile image88
      Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      My friend, Alternate Prime, is devastated and is in mourning as we all are. I have to take a Que cera,
      cera attitude and watch for the all signs of tyranny peeking. I will sleep with one eye open for a while.

      Thanks for the kudos, though.

      1. PhoenixV profile image79
        PhoenixVposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Yup. Np.

        Maybe look at it this way Credence. Obama was elected twice. Conservatives or whoever assorted people did not want hillary.

        1. Credence2 profile image88
          Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          This is true, so the shoe is on the other foot. And as scarecrow McConnell once said about Obama, 'we will make him a one term president'. Should I be any more gracious regarding Trump? At least I will give him a few days after he takes the oath to see if the reign of terror we have all been expecting will take place, before I commit to 1 term pledge.

          1. PhoenixV profile image79
            PhoenixVposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Im not sure you understand my point, because I didnt articulate it well. It doesnt have anything to do with the amount of terms in my mind.  If republicans or conservatives or anyone really had only the choice of obama or hillary - 4 years ago. No republican choice at all.  Obama would have won.  Or maybe this. You gotta choice. Sarah Palin or Ben Carson. See?

            ie.  Democrats arent gonna go outa there way to vote for Carson, but you know they would show up in droves to vote against palin.

      2. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        I am taking a wait and see attitude.  Trump is unpredictable, as we saw in the primaries when he would change is position practically daily to satisfy whatever crowd or person he was talking to.  The one thing I won't do, is let Trump voters off the hook.  They now own this guy, but hey, maybe he will do them proud.

    2. gmwilliams profile image86
      gmwilliamsposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      AP was vehemently anti-Trump.   To him, Trump was the nearest thing to Satan.

      1. gmwilliams profile image86
        gmwilliamsposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        To add:

        Conservatives were in mourning & devastated when Obama won, now Liberals are in mourning & devastated when Trump won.  Politics is a never-ending circle.   Well, that's life.  I refuse to let this upset me.  I am the owner of my life & will make it the best.  People have to realize that they, not the politicians, are in charge of their lives.  If people want to succeed, they WILL regardless of WHO is in office!

        1. ahorseback profile image52
          ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          ++++++++++++++++++++++++

  9. mrpopo profile image88
    mrpopoposted 3 weeks ago

    Regarding the 'uneducated' vs college-educated discussion, this might be relevant: https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever … _tw-bottom

    1. Will Apse profile image90
      Will Apseposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Having a college degree helps people develop a respect for evidence and rational thought but can still leave them in a deep state of ignorance. I remember a guy in these forums who got himself a geology degree despite being a 'young earther'. He merely discounted 80 per cent of what he was taught, lol.

      There are so many anti-rational elements in US culture, It would be hard to know where to start.

      And more worrying than the above is all that hatred that is so easy to exploit.

      Anyway, the US got fooled this time. Hope it learns from the experience. Maybe, next time, try someone who actually cares about the marginalized. Obviously, that would not include Hilary Clinton, lol.

      1. mrpopo profile image88
        mrpopoposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        "Maybe, next time, try someone who actually cares about the marginalized."

        The voices that Trump appealed to have been ignored and dismissed by intellectuals, elitists and the media. All year long I've heard them labeled as racist, misogynistic, homophobic "deplorables." And thus whatever concerns and objections they raised were easy to dismiss. These voices were marginalized in a very real way.

        What needs to be done is found within the last two paragraphs of the article I sent. The left needs to start making actual arguments instead of reactionary accusations of 'isms,' and they need to genuinely attempt to understand where the other side is coming from.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Okay, let's get specific.  Can you name one concern of these marginalized voices that was not addressed by a policy position of the Democratic party in general or Hillary Clinton in particular?  Also, can you contrast how Trump addressed this same concern with a specific policy?  Furthermore, can you explain how Trump's policy will address the concern more completely, or more to the satisfaction of these marginalized voices?

          1. mrpopo profile image88
            mrpopoposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Some concerns would be immigration, jobs, trade deals, national security, addressing Islamic terrorism, minimizing intervention in other countries, better relations with Russia. (I don't think I need to state the specific policies; you should know by now the candidates have different strategies for dealing with the aforementioned.)

            You might also want to take into consideration how they were ignored and disrespected in this and other election cycles. And there might be something to be said about the pushback against authoritarian political correctness.

            Either way, I'm not one of these marginalized voices. I'm just trying to listen to them and understand where they're coming from. If you genuinely want to understand them you'll need to actually listen and have honest discussions with them, instead of dismissing them as a basket of deplorables.

            Joe Scarborough gets at this issue and sees an opportunity for self-introspection instead of pointing fingers at everyone else: https://youtu.be/zY3nRgEZTm8?t=237

    2. GA Anderson profile image86
      GA Andersonposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Thanks for the link. I feel a bit affirmed. All warm and cozy.

      GA

      1. Misfit Chick profile image92
        Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Again, for those of you who keep missing this point: the entire world UNDERSTANDS that if you voted for Trump, that doesn't necessarily mean you're uneducated or stupid if you are. You can stop being so defensive, our faith in your intelligence is intact.

        Here's the kicker: 'uneducated white men' (& women) were 'the majority' who came out in EXTRA-significant numbers (tipping the scales for The Donald to win) in an 'unusually lopsided way' (7 of 10 men; 6 of 10 women, though men's numbers were significantly higher than women) compared to every other 'group' who voted: including educated white women and other races (both of whom Trump insulted on more than one occassion); and all of whom STILL voted fairly regularly across the board between Trump & Hillary (similar to the splits with Obama's first contentious election).

        One of the reasons why everyone was SO DAMN SURE that Hillary was going to win, was because everyone naturally-assumed that the majority of women would vote for her for that one reason. But, that didn't happen - not even among educated FEMINISTS, even they were divided among themselves.

        The uneducated white men/women group had absolutely NO REASON to be any angrier than any other group. And since the majority of Trump's rumblings had to do with subjects of racism & misogyny - that is why those specific voters are being labeled as racists & misogynists.

        However, realizations are very GOOD - just consider that us 'liberals' or 'elites' or whatever your favorite label is to call us - aren't necessarily judging things the way you think we are. Basically, liberals & conservatives are getting all cozy in bed together. Things could get even more interesting, LoL! Adding a link to voting stats: http://www.startribune.com/exit-poll-am … 400458221/

        1. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Unfortunately as long as liberals focus on things that had little to do with the majority who supported Trump and attempt to find things they (and we) find offensive as reasons to denigrate the majority of the individuals who voted for Trump they will be living in a fantasy world of their own making. To the detriment of America, I might add.

          1. Misfit Chick profile image92
            Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Allow me to re-post the link to the video that I was responding to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

            Conservatives didn't put Trump in that office, as much as you would like to all take credit for it. There are not enough 'conservative' people in this country to vote that way, anymore. However, 'the left' that you're all so sure is a bunch of irresponsible hippies; obviously does not have ONE PROBLEM thinking outside of the box and jumping on board with a conservative-nominated candidate if it proves their angry point.

            NON-fear is what got Trump elected, not FEAR - with the exception of conservatives who voted for Trump soley for religious reasons (which are, admittedly, many). Again, look at the voting stats. Angry white men are being accused of racism & misogyny for very good reasons; and MANY (if not most) religious folks voted for Trump for the same reasons they always vote Republican: hoping he will enforce the dogmas that cause so much fear among them.

            1. Live to Learn profile image81
              Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              I'm not a conservative. Honestly, I'm not a republican either. Used to be until the religious right poisoned the party.

              I wasn't so much bashing your statement as pointing out the crazy sour grapes attitude of liberals at the moment. I'm hoping they will soon put their disappointment on the back burner and look at the outcome for what it is and try to understand why it is.

              Whatever Trump proves himself to be this is a victory. The republican party has seen that their shirt sleeve christianity is not appealing to the majority and religion has little place in politics. I hear the DNC considers itself to be in shambles and knows it is not addressing the concerns of the people.

              If this bizarre election cycle does nothing other than to let politicians know we have lost complete faith in their ability to represent us it is a success, of sorts.

              1. Misfit Chick profile image92
                Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                Then why are you bashing 'liberals' along with every other person who is ignorant about this subject? We have good reason to be mad about election results; and we're divided among ourselves - obviously. I, for one, am getting really really SICK of being labeled a liberal.

                1. PhoenixV profile image79
                  PhoenixVposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Im sorry you are feeling bashed, or victimized. Im just a racist bigoted deplorable irredeemable too stupid to even be allowed to vote. Which I didnt. Perhaps I was too discouraged at that point to even try.  But my under-educated Native American best friend voted Trump.

                  1. Misfit Chick profile image92
                    Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    No, you're just another person who is so sure that is what I've said in here - completely missing entire posts that explain. Even so, allow me to elaborate a bit more... I'm really sick of being labeled a liberal by conservatives who are happily celebrating the erroneous concept of, "ha, we showed you how much conservatives rule the land!"

                    That's not the case.

                  2. PrettyPanther profile image85
                    PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Phoenix, first let me say I tried to find an earlier post where I accused you of exaggerating and you explained you were referring to the Republicans winning the presidency and both the house and senate. You are right. Your statement was not an exaggeration.

                    Second, what exactly did you vote for when you voted for Trump?

                2. PrettyPanther profile image85
                  PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  This is how it works here. If you point out the facts, you're an intellectual elitist. If you point out that Trump voters just installed a man who promised to build a wall, ban Muslims from entering the country, and send Hillary Clinton to prison, that's sour grapes. If you ask when the mass deportations begin, that's whinng. These are all things Trump said he would do, yet we are somehow being big babies for asking when these things are going to happen.

                  Now, we are told Trump isn't really going to do those things, so we ask then why did he lie? We are told that's not really lying, it's a "persuasion technique."We are told that by asking these questions we are dismissing the concerns of "marginalized voices."

                  Maybe I'm really an intellectual elitist, but since when did white people, and white men in particular, become marginalized?? They still dominate every institution, still make more money than every other demographic.

                  Sorry, but Donnie was elected because he masterfully appealed to people's emotions. There is nothing intellectual about it. Certain white people are angry because the world is changing and they believe their power is dwindling. The facts are that they still have control of this country, and their vote for Trump was fear-based. Y'all can try to rationalize it all you want but in this election the amygdala won.

                  II'm proudly wearing my Scarlet "E."

                  1. Misfit Chick profile image92
                    Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Agreed. Trump won this election by masterfully manipulating people's emotions - but, the 'fear-factor' is split between (mostly religious) people who DID vote for Trump out of fear; and Dems/Libs/Independents who voted for the opposing candidate FEARLESSLY. Its mixed.

                    White men have not been marginalized... It is uneducated white men (and women) who are getting the hit for racism & misogyny for the very good reasons that I have already stated in a previous long post.

                3. Live to Learn profile image81
                  Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  If my comment unfairly labeled you a liberal I apologize. Those who have identified themselves previously as liberals who are currently insisting we are teetering on the edge of Armageddon are the problem at the moment. Hopefully they are no different from the previous deplorable and ridiculous ramblings of those here on the far right. A very vocal but also tiny minority.

            2. mrpopo profile image88
              mrpopoposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              I have no idea how you're interpreting the video as you are doing. You seem to think it was a video outlining the virtues of leftists when it was largely the exact opposite. It was a video that cut through the left's cognitive dissonance and opened up the opportunity for introspection, not an excuse for tapping yourself on the back.

              As TotalBiscuit commented:

              6 minutes of verbally having some sense slapped into me. Jesus... what did I turn into in the last few days.

              When Jonathan Pie says "the left did this" he doesn't mean the left voted for Trump (though obviously there are some leftists who voted for Trump). He means the left laid their bed and now must lie in it.

              The left set up Trump to win, whether they wanted to or not.

              1. Misfit Chick profile image92
                Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                Actually, this was my second response to it that rolled off someone else. The continuity of these posts are not in sync. You've completely missed my point and I'm not going to restate the entire thing, again. I'll just say, that video link was not the first time it was posted.

                And again, there are not enough 'conservatives' to have voted Trump in. The majority of people didn't vote 'for' a candidate this time because they supported them - they voted AGAINST the one they didn't want. Oh yeah, liberals did this ALL THE WAY AROUND.

                1. mrpopo profile image88
                  mrpopoposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  I know that was the second time the link was posted. That's because I posted it the first time. The continuity of these posts has been clear to me.

                  I've read your posts in response to that video, and your first and presumably primary point was that conservatives were not the only ones voting for Trump. Obviously this is true (to what extent you haven't established) but it's besides the point of the video.

                  Your next points indicate that you either did not watch the video, ignored it, or are oblivious to what you're doing:

                  But, I would like to point out the 'the left' is really tired of being labeled the way 'the right' insists on labeling us AND our candidates.

                  I'm not letting 'uneducated white men' (& women) off the hook, though; and here's why... You were the majority; and your lopsided votes ARE serious indicators of racism & misogyny.

                  The uneducated white men/women group had absolutely NO REASON to be any angrier than any other group. And since the majority of Trump's rumblings had to do with subjects of racism & misogyny - that is why those specific voters are being labeled as racists & misogynists.


                  You're tired of Hillary being labeled as a literal demon (as if people take that seriously), yet you are eagerly labeling 'uneducated' white men/women as racists and misogynists (as if people don't take that seriously). You're dismissing their reasons for anger, but do you even know what those reasons are?

                  Now contrast your statements with the video's:

                  Not everyone that voted for Donald Trump is a sexist or a racist! How many times does the vote not have to go our way before we realize that our argument isn't won by hurling labels and insults?"

                  The left is responsible for this result, because the left has decided that any other opinion, any other way of looking at the world is unacceptable... if you're on the right you're a freak, you're evil, you're racist, you're stupid, you are a basket of deplorables - how do you think people are going to vote if you talk to them like that? When has anyone been persuaded by being insulted or labeled?

                  Being offended doesn't work anymore, throwing insults doesn't work anymore... all you have to do is engage in the debate, talk to people who think different from you and persuade them with your argument. It's so easy, and the left has lost the art. Stop thinking that everyone who disagrees with you is evil, or racist, or sexist, or stupid and talk to them! Persuade them otherwise because if you don't I'll tell you what you get, you get President Trump!


                  In other words, you're doing the opposite of what the video suggested.

                  1. Misfit Chick profile image92
                    Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Wow, thanks for going back and catching us up - but you also molded what I said to fit your opinion. See how easy it is to bend things?

                    "You're tired of Hillary being labeled as a literal demon (as if people take that seriously - OH, YES THEY DO which is WHY so MANY conservatives will ONLY vote GOP), yet you are eagerly (eagerly? yeah, right!) labeling 'uneducated' white men/women as racists and misogynists (as if people don't take that seriously). You're dismissing their reasons for anger, but do you even know what those reasons are?

                    I'm pretty sure I explained in detail why we are able to peg uneducated white men, especially, as racist and misogynistic - conservative or liberal, across the board. That's how they voted compared to every other group including educated men & women who had as much reason to be angry with Trump as anyone else.

                    You see me as contradicting that video, where I see myself as expounding on it - no, I don't just blindly take everything I hear, believe it, then absently incorporate it into my consiousness. I agree with him, wholeheartedly - that we liberals did this for the reasons that he said, as much as I hate to admit that 'my own liberal ilk' can be THAT spiteful.

                    You only see what I have to say about conservatives; but I have lectured many liberals as passionately. I was mad at BOTH sides before this election, basically for the reasons I've previously said and then some. I just didn't realize how RIGHT I was. If you think its pleasant for me to be able to both see & understand the grand picture of what just happened and be either pleasant or happy about it, sorry. Being right isn't always a good thing, especially in this case. But, this is what 'bad things' are for in this life - to 'push off' toward good.

  10. ahorseback profile image52
    ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago

    The angriest mind in the world  is the modern day delusional pseudo- intellectual liberal , can't have your cookies ? Cry , scream ,beg and  throw tantrums  .     Then blame ALL the others when all else fails,  It will never be democrats fault even  when they feed  their own mission statement to the dog ,and then say the dog ate it ,  AND when you decide to "sleep with the media ", remember your birth control , because the media  will promise you it all  and change their cloak when the other party says you missed your timing this month .

    I don't know what will be worse  the crying on the left for eight MORE years or the fact that they won't accept political progress even when you lay it at their feet.

    1. PhoenixV profile image79
      PhoenixVposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      I think it is normal to be dispirited, considering the absolute rejection of their ideology across the board. Even some lashing out is to be expected, to some extent. However, when it comes to being all busted up inside, to the point that no words can accurately describe it....and one is seriously considering producing a favorite stuffed bear so that they could just point to where it hurts the most...well, thats another story altogether.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        I hardly think that Hillary winning the popular vote and Trump winning the electoral college equates to "the absolute rejection of their ideology across the board."  Exaggerate much?

        1. PhoenixV profile image79
          PhoenixVposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          PHOENIXV WROTE:

          I think it is normal to be dispirited, considering the absolute rejection of their ideology across the board. Even some lashing out is to be expected, to some extent. However, when it comes to being all busted up inside, to the point that no words can accurately describe it....and one is seriously considering producing a favorite stuffed bear so that they could just point to where it hurts the most...well, thats another story altogether.


          What I meant there was the loss of not only the Presidency,  but the majority in house, senate and potentially a conservative supreme court. Absolute rejection? Seemed softer than absolute shellacking.

          1. PhoenixV profile image79
            PhoenixVposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Shall I fetch the bear while that sinks in, because even from my under-educated perspective it don't sound too good. I find it convenient for liberals to paint themselves as the epitome of tolerance while in reality dismissing people as uneducated and irredeemable.

            1. Misfit Chick profile image92
              Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              I find it convenient for conservatives to paint themselves as the epitome of intolerance while in reality dismissing people as educated and irredeemable. I mean, if we're not Christians then our opinion doesn't really matter, does it?

              1. PhoenixV profile image79
                PhoenixVposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                There are republicans or conservatives and certainly plenty of people that cannot stomach the clintons who are not christian here. As a lousy christian myself I had to choose between an ex stripper as FLOTUS or a lady with no morals. It was an easy choice.

              2. Live to Learn profile image81
                Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                I would love for you to point to a statement, anywhere, where someone is 'educated and irredeemable'. It seems like such a very odd thing to say. I certainly hope you aren't making this up as you go.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                  Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  It sounds like within the reasonable ballpark.

                  When will a well educated and intelligent person like Ron Paul, or an atheist or non christian, or a woman, a race other than mulatto, a gay, a monk, a Christ like person, a Muslim and everything under the Constitutional sun ever be President.

                  1. Live to Learn profile image81
                    Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    They will be president when they run on a platform which appeals to the majority of the people. Or, the majority of the electoral college, apparently.

                2. Misfit Chick profile image92
                  Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  I'm guessing that you are seeing this post without the post before it - that sentence was a 'reconstruction' of a previous sentence that I was responding to. I know, so many things are mystifying.

                  1. Live to Learn profile image81
                    Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    So you are making it up as you go. Enough said.

    2. Misfit Chick profile image92
      Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Again, you righteous conservatives need to get it through your head that YOU did not win this election - far too many of those FREAKIN liberal dems that you've been complaining about did it by intentionally joining forces with your 'craziness'. Talk about being duped by the media! Do you still think this election has been rigged? I've already heard Trump's supporters start to twist even that original accusation around. This election wasn't about what you're so sure it was about; and realizing who the real stooges were isn't going to be a very easy crow to swallow when realization hits.

      1. Brie Hoffman profile image82
        Brie Hoffmanposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        God intervened in a rigged election and won it for us!

        1. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          big_smile

        2. Greensleeves Hubs profile image96
          Greensleeves Hubsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          You mean God rigged it the other way ??! Can we have an enquiry into that?

  11. mrpopo profile image88
    mrpopoposted 3 weeks ago

    For those of you still not understanding why Trump won, this passionate venting from Jonathan Pie might help (crude language, NSFW): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

    1. Misfit Chick profile image92
      Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      You're right, absolutely everyone should watch that! I've been trying to tell conservatives that they were not the only ones voting for Trump for MONTHS; and I even suspected Trump to 'really be on Hillary's side' in the beginning, LoL! It just seemed to me as if he was intentionally trying to implode the Republican Party.

      This is a rant and a really good one - mostly against 'the left', ha! But, I would like to point out the 'the left' is really tired of being labeled the way 'the right' insists on labeling us AND our candidates. For instance, Hillary is NOT a literal demon. I would really like just ONE of the people who have tried to convince ANY person in this country of that to admit it.

      If you move away from apocalyptic themes conservatives would be taken more seriously. This is a heads up, though - next election the Dems will 'probably' have a much more acceptible candidate. We'll see. smile

      I'm not letting 'uneducated white men' (& women) off the hook, though; and here's why... You were the majority; and your lopsided votes ARE serious indicators of racism & misogyny. This is a good time to realize that.  YOUR group had absolutely no reason to be any ANGRIER than any woman, generic liberal or generic conservative out here. If you really consider yourself to be 'good Americans', raise your standards.
      http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13272816.jpg

  12. PhoenixV profile image79
    PhoenixVposted 3 weeks ago

    Honestly I was too scared to vote. On election night I crawled into bed and held on tight to my bible. I was worried that if by the grace of God that Trump got elected,  all the talk of when they go low we go high, might turn into lets get high and smash car windows.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image85
      PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell. You seem to favor Trump over Clinton, but if you didn't vote then I am mistaken.

      1. PhoenixV profile image79
        PhoenixVposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        I'm serious. Besides I live in one of the reddest states in the USA. I was also worried that hillary was not mentally or physically fit to be anywhere near any nuke button. She start to pass out again or coughing up green foo fighters and she get the football confused with a life alert button...

  13. Greensleeves Hubs profile image96
    Greensleeves Hubsposted 3 weeks ago

    Just a thought - 'intellectual' 'elite' and 'establishment' are terms which have featured prominently here, and seem to be used in a derogratory way these days. What should these terms really mean?

    'elite' - superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society. 'First class', and 'the best' are alternative definitions.

    'intellectual' - a person possessing a highly developed intellect. 'Thinker', 'genius' and 'expert' are alternative definitions.

    'establishment' - an organisation or institution. The act of being established. And 'established' is defined as 'settled', 'stable' or 'accepted'.

    Now I know I'm cherry-picking definitions to an extent, and these are not the descriptions which are being applied here by those who use them dismissively. None the less it is true that the qualities above are increasingly disrespected (we've seen how experience and knowledge have been regarded as less important than originality and a fresh approach from outside Washington. And even worse, one only has to think of the ever lower regard in which scientific research is held in America). It is a shame (whoever is to blame) that qualities such as these have become more and more disrespected.

    What's particularly disturbing is that these are exactly the kind of qualities which have most often been attacked in history .... by both communists and fascists.

    Personally I would love to be regarded as 'elite' in terms of ability, and 'intellectual' in terms of brain power, and to be governed by a stable and settled 'establishment'.

    1. Misfit Chick profile image92
      Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Thank you. I don't care who anyone voted for, all the labels are getting old and underappreciated by opposing sides. The frustration that comes with trying to defend one 'educated' response against another across this country is SO grade-school-recess. Do we not remind ourselves of Congress and the House? We're just as petty, "you're STUPID for believing in science"; or "you're STUPID for believing that humans are more than the sum of their parts".

      If you're someone who really believes either of these things, PLEASE read my spotlight article and get some perspective. At the very least, you should be able to see the opposing side when you're done. And I don't want to hear about 'how long' it is... this has been a damn long couple of years and you managed to get through this. Do yourself a favor, get a cup of tea (or a stiff drink) and read for an hour or two. It might very well do your soul a world of good. No fear, ha!

      So many people are obviously wrong from a few different directions; and none of them will admit it. Of course, I don't for a second believe that *I* am wrong about anything. The only thing I am willing to admit to, is that there are times when my passion has met or exceeded whomever's I have been debating. Its always hard to be 'trumped' (hehe, get it? aren't I clever?).

      I hadn't planned on getting this upset over the election. There is currently a question asked by me on HP's entry page that was written during the 'swing states too close to call' phase. I was trying to make light of the situation and help people be able to easier-accept whatever the outcome was going to be - because I know how heated emotions are surrounding this subject. But, the outcome revealed things that I haven't decided to walk away from, yet. smile

    2. PrettyPanther profile image85
      PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for this post.

      1. Live to Learn profile image81
        Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        Thank you, thank you, for showing that you would prefer to believe a comfortable lie than to face a not entirely ugly truth.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          What not entirely ugly truth am I not facing?  Please tell me, as I have no clue what you are talking about.

          1. Live to Learn profile image81
            Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Read my response to greensleeves on that original post. Or not.

            I will say, concerning your comment to mrpopo that I would not have tied you to every statement Hillary made if you voted for her. It's slightly ignorant to even think someone would.

    3. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      I doubt anyone would have a problem with being considered elite in terms of ability or intellectual in terms of brain power. As to being governed by a stable and settled establishment that would depend on the honesty and integrity of that establishment.


      I think what you fail to take into account is that the term 'intellectual' is really a term the the democrats have attempted to place on themselves in order to cast the other side in a detrimental light. They have consistently attempted to portray any voter who does not support their cause as either ignorant or uneducated. Unfortunately, I have noticed that the American public rarely supports this type of behavior by casting a vote in favor of it.

      Elitist also, is a derogatory term in this type of conversation. An elitist is someone who believes society should be led by an elite. Now, I'm not certain I would argue any person's desire to be elite but I will argue their right to be so. I would argue that they are not somehow in a better position to determine my, or anyone's, fate. Washington is, unfortunately, populated by politicians who believe they know better than the average American citizen and we are now suffering because of this.

      Establishment refers to those who consider themselves elitists in the light of this conversation. Since the average American citizen does feel that their standard of living has gone down and they are worse off than they were previously they do not consider the 'elitist' or the 'establishment' to be qualified to be in charge of our government.

  14. ahorseback profile image52
    ahorsebackposted 2 weeks ago

    Whiners take notice ,  If Trump  did all of the above , lied ,  cheated in the bidding business , [part of doing business ]   wrote of taxes for years ,  [ part of doing business ]  took every  tax break ,  tax incentive ,  played every -outside of the US borders tax game as a foreign businessman [ part of doing business ] ,     He STILL accomplished far more  in the category of  positive economic growth ,   American   diplomatic  expansionism   And  paid for his own campaign  and promised to take no salary for being President of the United States .

    All the while .

    Hilary sat on her duff in senate, taking her paycheck from you and I as a career federal employee  , while all the while stealing MORE from you and I with her "pay for play " , and deteriorating our foreign policy and national , political  reputation  increasingly from day to day , and never had one media interview for a year and a half .

    And you are shocked that she lost !.......Really ?

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      Hillary was a bright star, up and comming in politics before she got involved with this guy, who she had met at Yale University, New York:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ayHf7qbZGA

      "The strange Nixon-Clinton bond was formed in the spring and summer of 1974, the last act of Nixon’s downfall following the break-in and arrest at the Democratic National Committee headquarters in June 1972. In the next months, the broad outlines of White House crimes were sketched out and painstakingly filled in. The numbskull burglars had been caught. The henchmen G. Gordon Liddy and E. Howard Hunt had been convicted. John Dean had dazzled a Senate committee with his punishingly total recall. All that remained was to tighten the cinch on Nixon. The job was undertaken with delicacy and tact by the House Judiciary Committee, which was drawing up articles of impeachment, with a staff of bright law school graduates, including Hillary Rodham. She was 26, a year out of Yale Law School, and she got the job after her boyfriend, Bill Clinton, turned it down."
      FROM http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/featu … ry-clinton

      1. ahorseback profile image52
        ahorsebackposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        Hilary sought , bought and  paid for this defeat all by her lonesome self.     It was her own record of deceit , constitutional abuse , economic bribery , theft ,   deception and the absolute failure of her perpetrating  of the " Arab spring ", the "Pay for play" of the Clinton Foundation , her failure to engage the voting trust , and her poor record of  foreign diplomacy ,  The only thing I will give you as to Bill Clintons involvement -   Is this ,  Hilary supported and promoted his sexual escapades more than even he did. How ? m Be her persecution of the reputation of ALL female victims everywhere in America !

        1. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          LOL, but someone had to vote for Trump for her to lose.  So simple.

          1. ahorseback profile image52
            ahorsebackposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            I suggest you read the reasoning  for the electoral college , and beef up a bit on your emotional  based servitude to the left .   It's all okay P.P. you will survive this  election result .

            1. PrettyPanther profile image85
              PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              I understand perfectly well how the electoral college works. Do you understand that voting FOR someone means you voted FOR their policies. character, and temperament?

              Yes, I am surviving just fine. Just doing my civic duty and making sure you Trump voters understand and admit to what you voted for. After all, we all must live with your choice.

              1. Live to Learn profile image81
                Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                You aren't performing a civic duty. It looks more like a tantrum.

                1. ahorseback profile image52
                  ahorsebackposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Here ! Here !

                2. PrettyPanther profile image85
                  PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  It's all in your perspective, isn't it?

                  1. ahorseback profile image52
                    ahorsebackposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    No  LTLis right , it's tantrum ,  actually a tantrum would be far more mature .

              2. Credence2 profile image88
                Credence2posted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                I already have my 'Don't blame me, I voted for Bernie" bumper stickers in production

                1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                  PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Yes, I voted for Bernie, then I voted for Hillary and all her baggage. Apparently, Trump voters squirm when you point out exactly what they voted for. Their butts must be gettin' raw from all that wigglin'.

            2. PhoenixV profile image79
              PhoenixVposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this


              Survive? Yea, but emotional scars are souvenirs you never lose.

  15. gmwilliams profile image86
    gmwilliamsposted 2 weeks ago

    As the Rolling Stone's song indicated that you can't always go what you want but you get what you NEED.  Trump is what America needs.   Politics changes- it can be Liberal at one time & then Conservative.  Life changes, get used to it.

    I am a Liberal & AM pleased with the election outcome.  Trump is what America needs.  With his business experience, the country will be revamped socioeconomically.  The immigration situation will be moderated.   I have nothing to fear from Trump.   Why are some Liberals AFRAID of Trump?  He isn't the boogeyman.  I would to add: Relax Liberals, everything will be fine.

    1. Greensleeves Hubs profile image96
      Greensleeves Hubsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

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      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        The natural environment and nukes, those are my two favorite.
        People wonder why I am going to Bolivia.

        1. Greensleeves Hubs profile image96
          Greensleeves Hubsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          It is sad that these areas of truly major concern for the whole planet are seemingly less important to most people, and yet some of the things Trump has said on the nuclear deterrent are frightening. I hope he'll be shot down on that one by responsible advisors. Tragically, I expect the environment to suffer as a result of this election. That is something which should alarm the whole world.

          Bolivia is probably one of the safest parts of the world to live, in the event of a nuclear war! But there may be so many potential immigrants from the U.S, they'll probably decide to build a wall big_smile

          1. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            I got a plan to sell small houses to the Zionist servants, than build a small wall around them. That is where the Nazi escape to the last world war. Zionist are not so dumb to live in luxury bomb shelters forever in the north.

            Being a small fish swimming with the sharks. I've always stayed swimming close to the sharks so they do not sneak up from behind me, their favorite move. Then pretend to see NOTHING!!!

    2. Greensleeves Hubs profile image96
      Greensleeves Hubsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      I can't speak for most domestic policies, because I don't know enough about most of them, though I'd have thought that many of Trump's proposals, such as on Obamacare, would be anathema to liberals? But in response to 'why are some liberals afraid of Trump?', these are some possible reasons I can feel able to come up with:

      1) Increased division in society leading to increased tensions.
      2) The possibility of some minorities (in their eyes) feeling persecuted and under threat.
      3) The seemingly casual disregard for the nuclear deterrent. 'If we have them, why can't we use them?'
      4) The possibility of a more lenient attitude towards Russia, an increased threat to Russia's neighbours, and an erosion of democracy in that part of the world.
      5) Reduced possibilities for sensible gun control measures.
      6) Scepticism about climate change and hence an increased threat of environmental disaster.
      7) Scepticism about science generally, and a possible escalation of religious indoctrination in schools.
      8) A general point - the uncertainty over what policies he actually pursues, plus his apparent ability to change his mind in less time than it takes to read this post, means instability and anxiety both in money markets and in world governments.

  16. ahorseback profile image52
    ahorsebackposted 2 weeks ago

    Wouldn't it be heaven if every disgruntled  American left, just left America !   Starting with the rioters , celebrities  ,   sore losers  and  media pundits who despise our process of government and society .
    We should all make every effort to make that happen ASAP.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image85
      PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      Celebrities? You voted one in for president. You guys LOVE celebrities with an "R" beside their name. You vote 'em in every time. At least we mostly keep ours in Hollywood.

      As far as leaving, nope, we love this country too much to leave it to those who would vote in an overgrown toddler for president.

      1. Live to Learn profile image81
        Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        What a pickle. Possibly an overgrown toddler for president. Definitely under grown toddlers on the far left. And the far right, for that matter.

        Thank God we have mature voters in the middle.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          Lol, another version of the "childish" insult. You really don't like it when I remind you of who Donnie really is, do you?

          1. Live to Learn profile image81
            Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            That isn't it, but we both know that. Your comments are not an indication of who 'Donnie' is. I think we all know who he is. They are an indication of who you are.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image85
              PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              Yes, my comments are an indication of who I am, as are yours. I am content with my vote and what it says I will accept in my president, but you are still uncomfortable with your vote and what it indicates you will accept.

              1. Live to Learn profile image81
                Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                I am not uncomfortable with my vote. I will say what I have been saying all along. It would have been nice to have two better choices.

  17. The Old Guard profile image82
    The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago

    The liberals being bigoted and racist, ya gotta love it.
    Espousing "tolerance" and "love", but when it doesn't go their way, the demoncraps and socialists are as hateful and bigoted as any KKK member.
    They say Trump in unacceptable, blame "undedicated" whites for his triumph over a socialist marxist that we've had in office for 8 years. obama has been hell bent on making America a second rate banana republic.
    You think elevating deviant portions of society is "tolerant" when they rant and rave about total upheaval of the basic precepts of a civil society. (If you think I'm wrong read Black Lives Matter manifesto "We are committed to disrupting Western (white) family structure.")
    BLM doesn't even want to be associated with America but a "Black Global village". I think, "knock yourselves out, and let the door hit your butt on the way out".
    Sorry, us white, "uneducated" (though I do have a college degree") think your particular goals should be done with your fellow blacks, OUTSDE the U.S.
    Your concept that "your" way of living is the only way, is as fascist as Hitlers. Particularly when your leaders lie and corrupt the entire free market.
    It's was obama that allowed bankers to commit fraud, money laundering, rigging of markets, perjury and other illegal activity, and get way with it. Not one high ranking official at a bank went to jail.
    Your candidate, Clinton, was supported by Saudi Arabia, who beheads people as "justice" and stones women for adultery. Yet, you "educated" folk don't see any conflict of interest in that. LOL 
    You think  men should be able to walk into a woman's bathroom without any repercussions, which any father would object to. But you want us "uneducated" folks to accept this as a "normal" thing. Have you gone mad?
    Soros, a backer of Clinton and black lives matter, is a Nazi Collaborator, in his own words:
    "Steve Kroft of 60 Minutes asked him that. Was it difficult? “Not at all,” Soros answered.
    “No feeling of guilt?” asked Kroft. “No,” said Soros. “There was no sense that I shouldn’t be there. If I wasn’t doing it, somebody else would be taking it away anyhow. Whether I was there or not. So I had no sense of guilt.” (his response to Nazi collaboration)
    And you want us "uneducated folk" to align ourselves with people like this because your criminal in charge does?( aka Clinton)
    Nah, I think with my "uneducated" mind, i can see where that will go - another fascist in the White House like obama - I'll pass, thank you very much.
    War's and more wars. Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Ukraine, Somalia - thanks obama and the nobel peace prize.
    Confrontation with Russia, who's doing no more or less that the U.S., when it comes to sticking their noses in other countries affairs. But, that's Clinton's style - "do it my way or I'lll crush you" Sorry, when your opponents got nukes, you might want to reconsider talking vs. confrontation.
    And you've had 8 years to sell your con of socialism over democracy. All the news media outlets paid tribute to your fascist leader obama, but you couldn't sell the lie. We "uneducated" folks really can read. We really can follow the dots. We can see your ilk leading us to slaughter in a socialistic "utopia" that you so dearly want.
    This, if you "educated" folk would bother to read it, is completely contrary to the Constitution. Individual liberty is paramount in America not the "community". If I want to be bigoted, it's my right. You have NO right to force me to do anything else. If I don't want to support some tramps abortion, you have no right to steal my money (that's what taxation  is - legal theft) and use it for that purpose.
    Your view that your thoughts, way life, your socialistic dreams can be forced down my throat is where you were wrong. It's got very little to do with Trump, and much more to do with your screwed up "values" and what you consider "norms".
    The American people just said, "NO" to your bias and hate.
    The epitome of your bias and hate is what's currently going on in the streets around the U.S.. You think by throwing a hissy fit, you'll actually change something. You'll not change the basic structure of the election process. Again, trying to shove down the throats of us "uneducated", "deplorable" your socialistic and marxist concepts.
    We haven't bought it after 8 years of your golden boy, obama, we ain't going to buy it when your snowflakes hit the streets. They'll melt away soon enough.
    Watch and learn how a man runs America.
    You've had your chance with a bigoted, marxist for the last 8 years.
    Let's see how somebody who "loves" America does for a bit, shall we?
    Keep your bias and hatred on the back burner for a bit.
    Give Trump a chance.
    After all, this was the election you said we "uneducated" had to accept when it looked like hillary killary was going to win.
    Now that your "wise" pundits were proved wrong, take your own advice, accept it and work with Trump to change America back to a freedom loving land.
    Because personally, I'm tired of the socialistic, fascist con that's been going on for the last 8 years.
    And if you really want to see bias and hate - just watch the protestors in the streets of Seattle, Oakland, etc.
    Don't blame us "uneducated" for the bias and hatred coming from demoncraps (should that be democrats?) throughout America. That's on you socialists and marxist. You "loving" and "tolerant" people.
    HAHAHAHHAAHAHA
    http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13274763.jpg

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      I want to abolish Fed Government.

      I guess I'm a lone duck out here. Yet the strongest man in the world is the man that can stand alone with his integrity of being honest by means of no harm.

      My only fairytales in the works is ultimately being in a loving couple relationship. Because Politics and Religion are far too much  impossible to ever be a fairytales that comes true. They have turn the world into throw away products and now throw away follow Americans realationships. While not sharing all interest of other countries. Many sad long term relationship ahead.

      Where is Ron Paul? the last of the American honest Politicians.

      1. The Old Guard profile image82
        The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        Yeah, Ron Paul would be a great pick to have on Trumps team.
        And the FED should be abolished. Most American have no idea what that is.
        The blind supporting the corruption within their  government. Just look at all the people in the streets saying, "I want government to tell me what to do and how to live. Without government telling me what to do, I'm lost"
        A sad state when we raise our young to want chains around their legs.
        Sigh - Can't fight stupid.
        But you don't have to hang around with 'em either !
        Adios

    2. Credence2 profile image88
      Credence2posted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      Case in point : some asked why the libs were concerned about a Trump victory?  Obviously, because it lets folks with attitudes like yours dangerously off their leash... And from your diatribe here, that is cause to be concerned.

      1. PhoenixV profile image79
        PhoenixVposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        Dangerous. How many people have gotten shot so far since the liberal hissy fit.

        1. Credence2 profile image88
          Credence2posted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          So, how many? Did you read what this guy says, Pheonix,? Or is the Archie Bunker attitude back in vogue for the righties, enabled by a Trump win

      2. The Old Guard profile image82
        The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        Credencce -
        I'm a free enough a  man to allow you your opinion.
        Sorry if you're like the snowflakes in the streets and can't accept another view.
        It kind of gave it away when you said "dangerously off their leash"
        At least I'm man enough not to want to be on a leash.
        You want to be a serf, be told what to do, you want a leash around your neck, then I can understand why you wanted hillary killary.
        You are not someone who loves America.
        You're as blind as the mass media was and as marxist as obama.
        You're types are the reason America is the cesspool it is today. Congrats on making a once free country into a banana republic.
        No wonder the pundits, the pollsters got it so wrong - they saw "Amereeka" through your eyes!  Expecting American's to accept a "leash". HAHAHAHAHA
        I guess the "deplorable" felt a "leash" was not to their liking. HAHAHAHAHA
        Your concept of America is wrong. It's the exact opposite of what you believe.
        Hopefully, your socialistic, marxist beliefs die when obama leaves office
        Cheers

        http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13274839_f248.jpg

        1. Credence2 profile image88
          Credence2posted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          This is so much of the Trump constituency in the raw. I don't have to agree with it. It is just revealing what one of Trumps loyal droogies is capable of doing and saying. Focus: the barbarians at the gate, this is just the beginning. Because, I don't bow in deference to Aryan Nations makes me a racist, HUH.

          Be careful with your name calling and careless use of adjectives, I had another troublesome fellow removed for being uncivil within these forums.

          1. The Old Guard profile image82
            The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Credence2,
            Just because I don't accept the biased hatred and bigotry found in all socialistic and marxists governments, isn't name calling, it's stating a fact.
            Socialism and marxism cannot exist without bias and hatred. Governments ruled by socialists and marxists first precept is the citizens do not have the right to choose for themselves. The leaders in socialist and marxist government  readily admit that they are superior to the citizens they rule over.
            Not rocket science nor name calling. Facts is facts
            Not my fault if your biases don't allow you to understand that.
            “Government is essentially the negation of liberty.”
            And if you need to threaten in order to win an argument - well, kind of says it all,doesn't it?
            Sorry, hate to stomp out your feeling of superiority. But, you ain't superior...
            Carry on

            1. Credence2 profile image88
              Credence2posted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              Poppycock, are you done?

              1. The Old Guard profile image82
                The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                What I find hard to believe is your beliefs in your rants!
                Why do you live in a country that's lifts up individual liberties?
                Socialsist don't belong here.
                Read the Constitution - individual liberty is the cornerstone of America.
                There are no articles concerning socialism nor marxism.
                Both were warned about by the founders.
                You're view of  the United Socialist States of America is skewed, dude

                http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13274863_f248.jpg

      3. PhoenixV profile image79
        PhoenixVposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        Seriously I dont get that much news. That molotov cocktail thrown into a bonfire or near a group of people, is anyone in a burn center?  Leash? I take them to a vet and have them put down if they were I dog I loved.

      4. Greensleeves Hubs profile image96
        Greensleeves Hubsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        I couldn't help smiling when I read 'The Old Guard's' original post. Tho' I needed a lie down afterwards.

        I think the nature of your response is just right Credence - long enough to make your point clearly, but not long enough to imply any respect for his diatribe. smile

        1. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          Agree.

      5. Live to Learn profile image81
        Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        For sure. A right wing rant is Sooo much more dangerous than things like, I don't knower....blocking interstates, kicking in bank windows, vandalizing cars and throwing Molotov cocktails. How silly for anyone to think otherwise.

        1. Credence2 profile image88
          Credence2posted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          I do not support violent and destructive protests. But, I do see how easily you dismiss the comments of this Old Guard fellow as inconsequential.

          1. The Old Guard profile image82
            The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            This was the  liberals problem with the elction. And kind of ties into Credance2 little leash he loves so much.
            We deplorable people wanted freedom, not leashes.
            Deal with it!
            Cheers

            http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13274856_f248.jpg

            1. Castlepaloma profile image22
              Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              Hillary won popular vote.

              They are both caricature entertainers and Americans love to be entertained more than they do taking down the bankers, where some yet less will get hurt.

          2. The Old Guard profile image82
            The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Yup, my inconsequential nonsense is what you'll deal with for the next 4 years.
            American's have spoken - death to socialism and marxism.
            Now go to your safe places and deal with it.
            Cheers


            http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13274867_f248.jpg

          3. Live to Learn profile image81
            Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            It is his opinion and he has every right to share it. Of course I dismiss it, for exactly what it is. Unfortunately I am finding more and more voices from the left I am slowly dismissing. For exactly the same reasons.

        2. Aime F profile image84
          Aime Fposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          People are not going to be rioting for the rest of their lives, but it's not often that people wake up one day and are done thinking/saying hurtful and dangerous things about other people.  Perhaps one is more imminently dangerous while the other is more insidious.

          But surely we don't even need to make it a comparison in the first place.  Do we have to be perfect ourselves in order to offer criticism?  If so, this forum would be silent.

          1. Live to Learn profile image81
            Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            There are enough actions for criticism all around. I am simply looking for balance which many on these forums are not offering. We had an impossible choice, this election. It shouldn't divide us as a people.

  18. PhoenixV profile image79
    PhoenixVposted 2 weeks ago

    http://s27.postimg.org/wkg84lyir/24h_Cj_FW.jpg

    1. The Old Guard profile image82
      The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      That ain't going to happen, snowflake.
      I won't harm you nor grab anything, but if what I say "hurts" your feelings, well tough. Nothing changes without feelings getting hurt.
      You might want to go to your safe space, because what you believed is not the truth. And your feelings are going to get stomped on!
      Maybe you might even grow up enough to understand your "feelings" aren't worth a plug nickel to me. If you're feelings get stomped on and I get more freedom, a great trade indeed!
      Carry on, snowflake

      1. Aime F profile image84
        Aime Fposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        Quite the argument you're having with a picture.

  19. PhoenixV profile image79
    PhoenixVposted 2 weeks ago

    http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/225/296/35kg0j.jpg

  20. PhoenixV profile image79
    PhoenixVposted 2 weeks ago

    What liberals seem incapable of understanding is whether its the KKK , PLO, BLT and even Archie Bunker... Everyone has the rights to the 1st Appendage.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image85
      PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      Of course, Trump is our legitimately elected president. Even though you didn't vote for him, you seem clearly pleased, so congratulations.

      1. PhoenixV profile image79
        PhoenixVposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        Unlike a politician i dont waffle much.Months ago I posted in this forum that I had serious reservations supporting anyone that would have Piers Morgan as a co judge but call themselves a republican.  But when it comes to hillary the choice is easy. Besides once again I live in the reddest state. They havent voted democract here since the Benjamin Franklin Pierce -Trapper John Ticket

        1. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          I lived in a red state for five years. Interesting experience.

          1. PhoenixV profile image79
            PhoenixVposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            And I have lived in a blue city. Great experience if you have the cash. Not so fun if you dont. Packed in like that it becomes really easy to compromise and think ones progressive when in reality it becomes a seinfeld good samaritan cliche episode. Ive forgotten the meme or expression. Throw some change in a cup and keep on walking. The good deed is done. I like the country and the people better.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image85
              PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              I now live ina rural area in a blue state. Best of both worlds. We have the amenities insisted upon by liberals that are lacking in in the rural areas of red states. We also have higher wages and a much better standard of living. And my total tax burden is less than what I paid in Missouri. No sales tax.

    2. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      Give them time. Their self righteous fervor will find a way to take that right away from any who disagree.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        Lol, and you accuse us of hyperbole. I challenge you to find any instance from any of these forums of a liberal saying you don't have the right to speak your mind. Challenging your points of view is not equivalent shutting you down, no matter how much you dislike the challenge.

        Some Trumpeters, on the other hand, have an entire thread dedicated to encouraging us to leave the country.

        1. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          Well I will say that when a liberal starts the response with some implication that the speaker is uneducated then it is a not even thinly veiled attempt to dismiss an opinion as ignorance. I don't mind being challenged but I do find rude comments lacking any semblanceof truth as something entirely different from a challenge.

          I saw the thread you mention. I'm sure that is in response to comments made by liberals, first, suggesting they were moving due to the outcome of the election. Since I doubt any liberal is truly going to relocate because of it I didn't see any harm in jabbing at an obvious lie.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image85
            PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Yes, I'm sure. roll

            Edited to add: I'm sure you meant "some liberals" because you would never paint all of us with one big broad brush like we do you. roll

  21. Castlepaloma profile image22
    Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago

    Good News

    Nearly half of American did not vote at all.
    When non voters climbs up to 80℅ I will have faith in America's sanity again.

  22. Castlepaloma profile image22
    Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago

    Don't know how Trump election relates to UK exist of EU. One is an honest disapproval of a too corrupted establishment. Where Trump is a fake take down of the Corrupted establishment only to replace it a worst establishment based on his entire Corporatism corrupted businesses.

    For the 12 famous celebrities who are leaving America. I would trade Trump leaving in a heart beat. Except what country would except Trump, I know UK would not.

    1. Greensleeves Hubs profile image96
      Greensleeves Hubsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      Pretty much exactly the point I was hoping to make Castlepaloma smile

      As someone who voted for Brexit, but would never vote for Trump in a month of Sundays, it does irritate me how the two have become lumped together, as though the reasoning was identical. In fact, although we voted against the advice of most people in authority, I don't even regard the Brexit vote as anti-establishment at all, in the sense of being anti the British establishment. Quite the opposite - primarily, we voted to give sovereignty and power BACK to our government and AWAY from the European Union.

      I could understand the economic reasons why many voted Remain, but I felt it more important to ensure that our government retained control of our own affairs.

      1. Misfit Chick profile image92
        Misfit Chickposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        They are being lumped together because the view is that 'populists' in both countries did this - based on the unexpected results. And you're right, Castlepaloma... The reason Trump was 'really' put into that office is pretty damn concerning. But again, it is not an impossible thing to overcome. Thus, the protests and who knows what all else. Its kind of nice to know that there are people like you in other countries who realize what's really going on. If this turns into a civil war, it could also turn into a world war - depending on what Trump is messing with. smile

        1. PhoenixV profile image79
          PhoenixVposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Well they will have to be more effective than throwing molotov cocktails on themselves, beating each other up and shooting each other. Looking at the bright side. smile

          1. Misfit Chick profile image92
            Misfit Chickposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            No worries, this is just the beginning rumble of generally-disatisfied people. Based on Trump's previous record, it won't take him long to fan the flames. He already has on Twitter a couple of times; and his beloved Kellyanne hasn't been helping. I swear, she's the new Ann Coulter. NONE of them are people who seem to be remotely-interested is soothing the division in this country. Clinton & Obama both said 'all the right, nice things' that Dems always say when they lose - calling for unification and support for Trump. It didn't help. Why?

            Trump would have to apologize to more than one group he has offended BIG TIME, while eating PILES of crow - AND he would have to do it in a believable way. Not likely.

            1. PhoenixV profile image79
              PhoenixVposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              Are you rattling a saber at me? Amongst other things Im becoming intrigued. Whatll ya think will happen next in the trenches?

          2. Misfit Chick profile image92
            Misfit Chickposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Uh huh, did you read Old Guard's comment just before your's? This is just the beginning with generally-unhappy people who are protesting. With Trump's track record, it won't take him long to incense people again; and he already has on Twitter a couple times (someone really needs to take that account away from him) - plus Kellyanne isn't helping today.

            Clinton & Obama have both done their part - calling for all Americans to unite and support the new President Elect. And with all the crap he has said to us - Trump and his cronies actually believe that OBAMA should be saying something more. Honestly, I think that man has been pretty damn gracious in losing; as has Hillary. (What a shocker.)

            Trump needs to sincerely apologize to every group he has offended BIG TIME; and he needs to do it in a believable way - not likely; since 'making nice' would set his rabid, MEAN supporters into a frenzy.

            1. The Old Guard profile image82
              The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              Easy solution for anyone who has problems with the protestors.
              Just call easy plow! HAHAAHAHAHAHA

              http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13276068_f248.jpg

          3. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Would'nt want to get in the way of those punches and gun fire.Lol

      2. The Old Guard profile image82
        The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        That's why Trump was elected.
        If hillary killary would have gotten into the White House, you'd have had war with Russia and American troops in Syria.
        We were just tired of being told what to do by the marxist, obama, is all.
        We want our freedom back. If Trump can pull that off, more power to him.
        In any case, hillary killary would have been the death of America, You can tell by Wikileaks and the money laundering scheme at the Clinton Foundation.
        Thank our lucky stars that hillary killary does not have a foot in D.C. anymore.
        Missed that kill shot be a hair! HAHAHAHA
        Cheers

        1. Greensleeves Hubs profile image96
          Greensleeves Hubsposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          Except that we don't fear or loathe Westminster, in the way that many who voted for Trump seem to fear and loathe Washington. We're not trying to give power to the people - just to the people we elect to govern in Britain.

          Oh, by the way, Obama is not a Marxist. I could introduce you to a few of them in the UK, and compared with them, Obama is a right wing conservative smile

          1. Misfit Chick profile image92
            Misfit Chickposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            LoL! Ain't that the truth - and his haters have been calling him a 'liberal/elitist' for years. NEWSFLASH, peeps: It is always the SAME government in that office; and it SERVES THEM to keep us fighting like they do. The only difference really, is varying shades of actually caring about the people who live here. Yeah, you can be corrupted and still semi-care about people. We watch that scenario in movies all the damn time; and really, we can see that within ourselves. None of us is pure black or white inside. We're all varying shades of grey.

            I've said this before: Trump is either 'that same govenment's' END or it is their LAST STAND.

            Pay ATTENTION whether you voted for him, or not. Even (and expecially) people like you, Old Guard. You think you're so smart and know everything. I'm holding people like you responsible for making sure he doesn't turn out to be the bad guy - and if he does, YOU should be the ones to catch it before if/when something goes horribly wrong.

            I mean, if you're a 'prepper' - you already KNOW that big, bad Obama has got the country setup to enforce military rule any minute, now. All Trump needs to do is make a phone call - OR, maybe just say something worse - before he takes office - that deepens the hate between supporters & protestors. That way, Obama would have to make that decision and you could all BLAME it on HIM.

            1. The Old Guard profile image82
              The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              Misfit, you're funny.
              I don't hold you responsible for the marxist beliefs of obama, why on earth would you want to put that on me with Trump? Kind of childish.
              I have no more control over Trumps actions that I do with you and your unsubstantiated rants!
              Get a life.
              Trump got elected because he was a better orator and better person that hillary killary clinton.
              I didn't get hillary killary clinton involved with numerous FBI investigations. I didn't get hillary killary clinton involved in her money laundering Clinton foundation. That's all on your hero - no one else is to blame.
              But, if it makes you feel better to say you're going to hold me responsible for Trumps actions - well, just knock yourself out! Heaven forbid that any of Misfit's feelings get hurt.
              Have a happy night

              1. Misfit Chick profile image92
                Misfit Chickposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                Blah, blah, blah... ya damn right I'm holding you and everyone else who voted for Trump for LAME reasons like you did, RESPONSIBLE.

                Pay ATTENTION whether you voted for him, or not. Even (and expecially) people like you, Old Guard. You think you're so smart and know everything. I'm holding people like you responsible for making sure he doesn't turn out to be the bad guy - and if he does, YOU should be the ones to catch it before if/when something goes horribly wrong.

                I mean, if you're a 'prepper' - you already KNOW that big, bad Obama has got the country setup to enforce martial law any minute, now. All Trump needs to do is make a phone call - OR, maybe just say something worse - before he takes office - that deepens the hate between supporters & protestors. That way, Obama would have to make that decision and you could all BLAME it on HIM.

                Our deep divisions are as profitable as any WAR; and are no-doubt perpetuated intentionally. The chasm that exists through both America & The World is a lot more simple than most people realize. SEARCH for - Christians & ex-Christians Prove God Exists by Debunking Salvation: Science & Spirituality Reveal the Real Jesus Christ (Btw, that is my message being plastered everywhere I can possibly find to plaster it. I already had this article written; and it happens to fit into this scenario, perfectly. Cool, huh? smile
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                1. The Old Guard profile image82
                  The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Misfit,
                  yupper, you're funny

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                  1. Misfit Chick profile image92
                    Misfit Chickposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

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                  2. Misfit Chick profile image92
                    Misfit Chickposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    More Donald

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            2. The Old Guard profile image82
              The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              Hey Misfit!
              Guess you numbers are going down in the demoncrat party! http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/s … k_11122016
              Your cohorts are so "strong" they can't even face reality, much less have a backbone to stand up and fight.
              No wonder the snowflakes have to gather in groups - they can't stand on their own two feet. They need a "group' to stand up!
              HAHAHAHAAHAHA
              Got no one to blame but your leaders on the democrat party who wanted us to elect a criminal.
              HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

              1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                I can not imagine why anyone, would want to be the President of USA. Since 95℅ of Crimes are occupational as President you get to be the best liar, killer and criminal on the planet. To me that would be the greatest disgraceful dishonor I could imagine. That is why Ron Paul or I would never get elected or be popular on this forum of Politics.

                1. ahorseback profile image52
                  ahorsebackposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Every post you ever make is done in   the color of your  dire hatred of America , Are you aware that that is how people view your posts ?   Does it matter to you that  - you  an avowed anti American -   that your despising America and all it stands for is threaded through every one of your opinions ?

                  1. Credence2 profile image88
                    Credence2posted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    You know, as Bill Maher said, FRIDAY night "We are still here" and will always put your man's feet to the fire. The next four years will not be a cakewalk for any Rightwinged oriented government in Washington.

                  2. Castlepaloma profile image22
                    Castlepalomaposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    I''m leaving this Continents because I don't want anything to do with haters, exteme BSer and murderer. Along with many other true American celebrities that have had enough .

                    When too many American people can allow the Presidency to go around the world and kill millions of people that did absolutely nothing to them, that is insanity. Many Americans do this without remorse then have the Gaul to blame it on many other groups like Muslims, Latinos, Blacks, Gays, pro choice and Satan and so on and so ... without taking any responsibility. The kind of people that tell me I'm the source of the problem when I have not broken my rule of being honest and do not harm or even to hate anyone. I can forgive and have no regrets about the pass.It is the regrets in the future and my clear vision of Trump far worst destruction of America to come. It is because I love America as I do all earthlings on this planet. You got it all backward Horse.

          2. The Old Guard profile image82
            The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            It's all relative.
            And relatively speaking, he's a devout marxist.
            Maybe the laws of the U.S.A. have kept him in check?
            Sometimes the laws do work.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image85
              PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              ExhibitA: Misinformed Trump Voter

              1. The Old Guard profile image82
                The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                Yeah, and the Muslims are a great group pf people.
                The left-wing histrionics continue in the wake of Donald Trump’s victory on Tuesday. The latest example of over-the-top rhetoric comes from Hussam Ayloush, the head of the Council on American Islamic Relations’ Los Angeles office.In a tweet on Wednesday, Ayloush suggests an Arab Spring-like overthrow of the United States Government.
                Tell me again how "peaceful" the protestors are and idiots like this who support obama.
                obama's the worst president in American history, and you snowflakes support him.
                What are you doing in America? Go to Europe, go to Saudi Arabia - after all, obama kisses the sultans rings, why not you snowflakes?
                What educational system ever taught you this garbage? And you wonder why the deplorable's kicked the democrats out.
                Look in the mirror!
                Cheers

                1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                  PrettyPantherposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  That has absolutely nothing to do with your erroneous assertion that Obama is a marxist, but okay. roll

                  1. The Old Guard profile image82
                    The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Easy peasy, for those who are afraid to google anything that might prove their assumptions are wrong:
                    From Forbes:
                    Besides adopting the Leninist strategy of seeking greater control over the commanding heights of the economy, if one reviews Marx’s 10-point platform for how to socialize a country’s economy in stages (“The Communist Manifesto,” chapter two), one finds that Team Obama and his congressional progressive allies have taken actions to further the goals laid out in all 10 of the planks in the Marx platform. Here are some examples, with Marx’s wording being revised for simplicity’s sake:
                    If you need more info, type into google - Is obama a marxist - about 500,000 articles are listed.
                    Have a great week!

                  2. Aime F profile image84
                    Aime Fposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    At this point The Old Guard is pretty much the equivalent to that cynical, out of touch grandpa who everyone avoids at family dinners, who spews inappropriate and crazy talk while the rest of the family just nods along and says "okay, grandpa.  Whatever you say, grandpa," because they know arguing with him serves no purpose.

                    Except he has the Internet so it's unfortunately not limited to family dinners.

          3. Misfit Chick profile image92
            Misfit Chickposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Do any of you who voted for Trump for fear-based reasons even understand WHAT this post is saying to you? Most of these people (certainly doesn't include all Trump supporters) are conservative Christians who are AFRAID that Democrats are EVIL - which of course would include ANY Dem in that office - doesn't have to be a dark guy with a funny name like Obama or a criminal emailer like Hillary. This is how conservatives were manipulated throughout Trump's campaign - they played off these ingrained, religious fears that have been embedded into our country's consciousness for generations.

            This, of course, means that ANY Republican candidate is on the side of GOD. Anyone who DOESN'T vote Republican is STUPID for NOT believing in their superstious, apocalyptic Christian theories. Gee, I WONDER WHY you keep getting accused of being stupid & ignorant. I mean, do you REALLY think that people who don't believe like you are EVIL?!!

            Until we get to the place in our minds where we can see each other for what we REALLY ARE: HUMANS - collectively, in a MUCH more balanced way - we will continue to see each other as 'good' or 'evil' (or ignorant); and we'll have plenty to fight over.

            1. The Old Guard profile image82
              The Old Guardposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              Hey, Misfit,
              Yupper, super intelligent rant!
              "superstious, apocalyptic Christian theories."
              I can see the entire scope of you facts and logic.
              Complete understanding of history, economics and political discourse - oh, shucks, you never mentioned any of those.
              Just the rant about theories of Christians and God. You don't even understand that!
              HAHAHAHAHA
              I can see why you don't "debate" on the forums, you just toss around names and bigoted remarks.
              Back up your beliefs with facts.
              Yeah, we're humans all right. Each endowed with liberty. We don't need intellectual socialistic morons to tell us what we need to do in our lives.
              If you need someone to give you directions in every minuscule area of your life - get a boyfriend or a girlfriend for your master.
              The rest of us are just fine being masters of our own fate.
              Have a happy night!

    2. Credence2 profile image88
      Credence2posted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      How prophetic, that is what I am thinking. I hope that I am wrong.

 
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