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Bon Voyage Liberals!

  1. PhoenixV profile image79
    PhoenixVposted 5 months ago

    Can someone list all the liberals that said they were leaving the USA if Trump won?

    1. colorfulone profile image89
      colorfuloneposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Will Obama be busy handing out pardons for the criminals?

      1. The Old Guard profile image81
        The Old Guardposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        He's actually pardoned more people than all presidents combined.
        Mostly blacks (being the non-racist guy that he is) , drug dealers serving life terms.
        Probably friends he had when he worked the streets in Chicago.
        Omama takes care of his buddies, just like hillary killary.

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          Norine Williamsposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          Welcome Back America!

          1. Paul Wingert profile image78
            Paul Wingertposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            Make 'muriKKKa Stupid Again! Buy reading the dumbass comments on this thread, we can see the goal is almost accomplished. For your cheap entertainment, please read the following comments left by these poorly educated rednecks that have a long tradition of embarrassing the hell out of this county.

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              Norine Williamsposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              PAUL!

              Don't hurt them with TRUTH!!!

              They remind me of my favorite Blue Belle Ice Cream "The Great Divide!"

              But when the "presidential elect" pushes that "button," you are going to look for ANYONE to save you; REGARDLESS!

              Welcome Back America!

            2. Castlepaloma profile image19
              Castlepalomaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              Just what I felt like saying. Lol

              Amy schumer coming to Canada, man she is hot. Too bad I have packed my bags for Bolivia since the dumb greedy bastards deseises will move much quicker into Canada now.

        2. colorfulone profile image89
          colorfuloneposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          Yeah, for sure.   The one certain result of this election is the confirmation of the appalling bias of MSM. I won't forget their absolute absurdity and the rigged polls.  It was evident that Trump had won, but none of MSM dared announce Trump's victory even though it was plain to see, not until after Hillary called to concede and congratulate President Trump.

          1. PhoenixV profile image79
            PhoenixVposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            Andrea Mitchell looked like a deer in the Headlights. I mean even more than usual. And seeing Cokie Roberts well up was priceless.

        3. PrettyPanther profile image84
          PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          Not true. Where did you get your false information?

          Obama's says he will catch up on Parsons but he's far behind George W. Bush

    2. gmwilliams profile image82
      gmwilliamsposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Well for one: Whoopi Goldberg, Rosie O'Donnell, Cher, & a slew of others.   Now, the American people have spoken.  It is quite a surprise that Trump is elected.   Hopefully, he will restore America socioeconomically.

    3. Don W profile image82
      Don Wposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      Can someone list all the things Trump promised to do during the election, so we can tick each one off when he fails to do them?

    4. Brie Hoffman profile image80
      Brie Hoffmanposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      Not only are they losers but they are liars because known of them are leaving!

      1. PhoenixV profile image79
        PhoenixVposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        I wonder what its gonna take to get the ball rollin on that deal. You know how to set up a go fund me project to expedite the liberal adventure to elsewhere?  I gotta rewards card and thinking " hasta la Visa".

    5. greenmind profile image91
      greenmindposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      Your gloating is just fine with this Liberal. After a while you'll calm down, look around you, and then we can have an actual discussion about what the country actually needs. Until then, do what you have to do. We'll wait.

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        Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        Amen "mind" which doesn't sound "green" to me!

      2. PhoenixV profile image79
        PhoenixVposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        The whole country saw liberals needing safe places and legos.

        1. profile image57
          Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

          I've found mine - JESUS! 

          "For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ:  for it is the POWER of GOD unto salvation to every one that believeth ("rightly divided" doctrine)..."

          If you "believed," you wouldn't "gloat" so IGNORANTLY! 

          Let's meet here same time next year and you'll be asking yourself the same thing Trump is asking himself "What in the HELL have I done?" (by voting for this man)!"

          HA!

          "The FIRST will be LAST!"

          Scripture WILL BE "fulfilled!"

          Blessings

             

          "But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord" (II Corinthians 10:17)!

          1. PhoenixV profile image79
            PhoenixVposted 3 months ago in reply to this

            No ma'am I have never been accused of being subtle. For you, it may be political. But not for me. I suspect you dislike Trump. I get it. But that does not make me a Trump fan club by default regardless of what you may think. I did not vote for Trump. But be assured that I would never vote for Hillary. What I am addressing are ideologies. Ideologies of shoveling it out and then calling themselves victims for instance. The same type of mentality that called you names, so insensitive I cannot even remind you of it, so personal and insensitive I question my own motives, when I called them on it. If you think Im gloating. That is your opinion.

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              Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

              You know Phoenix!  I have always said "I voted for the LESSER OF THE TWO EVILS" albeit BOTH are LIARS (aka politicians) but the one who closest represent JESUS e.g. "CHOICE," providing for the less fortunate ("Love thy neighbor as thyself"), equality for ALL (to this best of man's ability)  which aligned more with JESUS and HIS teachings so not political for me. 

              I don't dislike Trump as I've stated previously on HP "At least he's honest in speaking his dislikes and tells what's on his mind which is more than I can say Hillary!" 

              Whose "ideologies?"  Blacks?  Again those people were "made that way!"  I don't have to give you the history of Blacks in America and if you're honest  and "walk a mile in their shoes," you would agree! 

              When one is "IGNORANT" to facts be it religious or cultural, they fear the unknown and retaliate with "name calling" and "insensitivity!"  Just people who don't know JESUS! 

              What I feel you do is "pick people's brains" to see where they're coming from then use to "insult!"  I think I asked you once "Are you the psychologist for HP?"  It's all a "mind game" to you!  You may think it's "intelligence," but I will remind you what GOD SAID!  Proverbs 6:16-19 "These six things doth the LORD HATE:  yea, seven are an abomination to him:  A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood (not "physical" murder only), An heart that diveseth wicked imaginations (Sounds familiar?), feet that be swift in running to mischief (Does this too?), A false witness that speaketh lies (Familiar?), and he that soweth discord among his brethren (This too?)!"  Therefore, when you use your "intelligence" (Asking 1K questions to "pick brains!"), you work for Satan! 

              That is "GOD'S opinion!"

    6. doye profile image59
      doyeposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      What do spoiled brats do?  They through themselves down in the middle of the room and scream and cry. They never leave!

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        Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        Or "retaliate!"

  2. Old Poolman profile image82
    Old Poolmanposted 5 months ago

    I didn't keep track but would gladly help them pack their stuff.

    1. PhoenixV profile image79
      PhoenixVposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      We can buy a cake and throw them a going away party!

      1. ahorseback profile image49
        ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        They are not going to leave America though   Who , that made their millions from US  in Hollywood  , who enjoyed riding the coattails of their celebrity  , the pleasure of standing in front of  the camera's and still do ? Who enjoy the plastic foothills of  Hollywood and the canyons of NYC's central park views from the penthouse windows?

        And go where  ?  Away from all that ?
        No , my friends , we are stuck with them.

        What a purely annoying bunch of celeb-cry babies !

    2. doye profile image59
      doyeposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      Air Force 1 will be available.

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        Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        Not if Trump has anything to do with it!

        He gets what he wants "By any means necessary!"

  3. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 months ago

    Just read a piece about that suggesting that those promising to move to Canada  , Had better check in with their border controls and immigration policies !

  4. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 5 months ago

    I live about thirty air miles from the Canadian border ..............I think I can hear them starting their own  "wall "this morning !

    1. PhoenixV profile image79
      PhoenixVposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Miley has a wrecking ball!

  5. The Old Guard profile image81
    The Old Guardposted 5 months ago

    Streisand,
    Sam Jackson
    Miley Cyrus
    whoopee goldberg,
    Bryan Cranston
    Lena Dunham
    Amy Schumer
    Jon Stewart 
    Cher
    Chelsea Handler
    Neve Campbell
    Al Sharpton are a few.
    Personally, I'd be more than happy to kick 'em in the butt as they leave. Give them a little incentive to move along a bit faster.
    Surprising they don't want to move to Venezuela where socialism is working so well, or even to Mexico -  which is a nice country.
    But, if they don't leave, I think a special law should be passed to force them to keep their promise!
    http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13270680_f1024.jpg

    1. ahorseback profile image49
      ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      I don't know guys , some nations actually have standards!

      1. The Old Guard profile image81
        The Old Guardposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        Name one that's not full of lying, cheating and self serving politicians like the U.S.
        Name just one.......

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          Norine Williamsposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          Congratulations!

          Welcome Back America!

    2. PhoenixV profile image79
      PhoenixVposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        They need gps ankle bracelet tracking devices. Then we can all download some app and track their progress all the way to the North Pole if we are lucky. It will be just like santa norad tracker at Christmas time! It will be just like a holiday smile

    3. doye profile image59
      doyeposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      Dang, I was hoping there were more. Maybe they are waiting for the Mars shuttle.

      1. profile image57
        Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        Home Sweet Home!

        America the Beautiful!

  6. The Old Guard profile image81
    The Old Guardposted 5 months ago
  7. PhoenixV profile image79
    PhoenixVposted 5 months ago

    I heard the Canadian mounted police are on high alert looking for hollywood liberals trying to slip into their country. Apparently they dont want them either.

    1. ahorseback profile image49
      ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      I can only hope  there will be no Canadian internment camps for disavowed Americans . ........Not !

      Can we please call them American refugees ?

      1. The Old Guard profile image81
        The Old Guardposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        I think Canada should set up camps for the American refugees in the Yukon.
        That would be ideal for the buggers - freeze their butts off!
        Yeah, Communist American refugees would be an acceptable term.
        Or Democratic Socialists flee a freedom loving country to set up a commune in the Yukon. That would be a good headline.

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          Norine Williamsposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          You'd better pray your presidential elect doesn't get upset with Russia or China which is more serious than running people out of the US for previous statements!

          You guys always focus on trivia!   

          I pray he realizes he will be under a "global eye" and can't maintain the attitude he had in civilian life! 

          I hope he assembles a team that he will respect and "listen to" and not maintain the attitude he had in civilian life for Russia and China are watching and listening to every word he murmurs!

          Ever heard of the the Battle of Armageddon?

          1. The Old Guard profile image81
            The Old Guardposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            Norine,
            Haiilary killary wants war with Russia. Trump wants to sit down and talk with Russia.
            Only reason China'ss done well is the incentives for American countries to move there for cheap labor. U.S. stops buying the stuff they produce, China goes down the tubes.

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              Norine Williamsposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              Yup!
              Until they upset him!
              US stop buying their stuff, guess what?

              1. The Old Guard profile image81
                The Old Guardposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                What?

                1. profile image57
                  Norine Williamsposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                  Keep living!

                  You'll have to "guard" more than your antiquated ("OLD") thoughts toward humanity!

                  Welcome Back America!

      2. PhoenixV profile image79
        PhoenixVposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        Hollywood Liberal Refugee Crisis.

        With George Stephenopololopidous and Savannah Georgia reporting.

        1. The Old Guard profile image81
          The Old Guardposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          I like it!!
          Hillary killary as their leader!
          Obama would set up their healthcare plan!
          LOL

          1. PhoenixV profile image79
            PhoenixVposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            I hope Trump makes Hillary ambassador to Haiti or Libya. So she will be otherwise too occupied.

            1. profile image57
              Norine Williamsposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              You think?
              Bipartisan?
              Let's see!

    2. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Be careful what you ask for you just might get it!

      1. PhoenixV profile image79
        PhoenixVposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        I guess most of us, maybe all of us have threatened to run away from home at one time or another. Of course we were 5 at the time

  8. Aime F profile image85
    Aime Fposted 5 months ago

    Welcome, Liberals!

    Love, Canada

    1. PhoenixV profile image79
      PhoenixVposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      Seems like Hollyweird is much closer to Mexico than canada. Hmm.

      1. Aime F profile image85
        Aime Fposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        ...k.

      2. PhoenixV profile image79
        PhoenixVposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        Rich hollywood liberals always threaten to move to canada. Why not run off to Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia or Qatar? If they are friends of Bill I bet the people of Haiti would welcome them with open arms.

        1. Aime F profile image85
          Aime Fposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          Probably because Canada is, you know, liberal.

          1. PhoenixV profile image79
            PhoenixVposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            Maybe we can make a trade or something. You can have Rosie O'Donnell and then you could send us a moose or something. A gallon of pancake syrup. You know w/e.

            1. PhoenixV profile image79
              PhoenixVposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              PS What would we have to give you to take Bill Maher off our hands?

              1. Aime F profile image85
                Aime Fposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                Moose are pretty difficult to transport but I think we could swing the maple syrup.  I will also give you my lifetime share of ketchup chips because they're disgusting but you might like them.

                1. PhoenixV profile image79
                  PhoenixVposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                  Idk what catsup chips are but many of us feel the same way about maher, so is a good trade.

  9. PrettyPanther profile image84
    PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago

    Just popping in to congratulate Trump voters on their awesome win. You have the presidency and the legislature.  We are looking forward to all the wonderful improvements you will make to the economy, the tremendous job growth Trump will bring to our soon-to-be-great-again country (especially the manufacturing jobs he promised and you voted for), the mass deportation of 12 million illegals that I'm sure will start as soon as he takes office and the MILLIONS of jobs that will create, especially in the agricultural industry.  Oh, and the wall, let's not forget the glorious wall that will be built with Mexico's money.  I can't wait to see it!  It will be tremendous!.

    Lastly, when will Hillary be locked up?  We all know she's guilty, no trial needed.  The rigged government will just find her innocent anyway.  FINALLY, a man who will take the law into his own hands and LOCK HER UP!  Who cares about the justice system?  It's failed so far.  Oh, can we have a trial for the 92 murders perpetrated by the Clinton Mafia?  Or, will that be dispensed with in the interest of justice?  Lock her up!

    Anyway, no way am I moving to Canada.  I have lots of popcorn to buy so I can watch the Trump Train to Tyranny!  I hope it starts on Inauguration Day!

    1. ahorseback profile image49
      ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      If only you typed in the caps Lock mode , you'd sound like alternative power in that rant .
      Come on fess up-   You'll put in for the wall like you put in for Obama -Care won't you ?

      1. PrettyPanther profile image84
        PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        No, the wall is a colossal waste of money, something I thought matters to conservatives.  Oh, that's right, Mexico will pay for it.  LOL

        Interesting that you're calling my post a rant, when I am merely delineating some of the central policies Trump ran on and his supporters LOVED.  Heck, they chanted "Lock her up" at the RNC convention!  Are you saying you don't like that idea?

        1. ahorseback profile image49
          ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          She should be locked up of course ,   What liberally  uninformed like yourself can't seem to grasp or at least acknowledge  , immigration is a double edged sword. There is the legal way and the illegal way , let them in , in controlled numbers by the gates  as always but  stop the internationally supported  illegal influx!

          I suggest , get used to it , stop giving unaccounted for foreign aid to Mexico - that will pay for the  wall ! That and your income taxes.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image84
            PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            Oh, I totally grasp that there is a legal way and an illegal way.  I just wonder if you grasp the unintended consequences of a mass deportation of 12 million people?

            1. Live to Learn profile image81
              Live to Learnposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              I'll bet you something. If Trump actually deports 12 million people I'll do it. Whatever it is, within reason. You name it. You will have to promise to do the same when you realize it isn't going to happen, though.

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                Norine Williamsposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                Y'all are worrying about the wrong things.  We have a presidential elect with a  "hot head" whose fingers will be near "the button;" that should be your concern.

                Unless he changes his character "overnight," you happy hunters are in trouble!  We ALL are!  Then who will care who left the US and who stayed?  How many "potato chips" we can get for someone who "voiced their opinion!"

                CRAZY!
                When will y'all "grow up?"

                1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                  PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                  They don't care that he has repeatedly demonstrated the temperament of a psychotic toddler and the attention span of a gnat. They're willing to gamble that he will suddenly be "presidential."

                  Because...emails!....Benghazi!

              2. PrettyPanther profile image84
                PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                I know it isn't going to happen.  Why did he say it would?  The thing is, the core Trump supporter believed him when he said it.  They voted for a lie.

                1. mrpopo profile image89
                  mrpopoposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                  Scott Addams described this as a persuasion tactic known as pacing and leading. Might be worth looking into if you're willing to understand Trump.

              3. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                Don't need a wall.  Just need some real teeth in employment laws prohibiting illegals from working.  And maybe a shutdown of freebie services - do those two and we won't need to deport hardly anyone.

                Think Trump is smart enough to figure that out?

              4. colorfulone profile image89
                colorfuloneposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                I've read many articles about the millions of immigrants the Obama Adm has deported.  It has not been a favorite topic of MSM for some reason.   I don't know that Trump will deport more, that might be hard to do because Obama has broke the records of other presidents from what I understand. 

                Obama and Hillary worked very hard to cast doubts and fears on a Trump presidency with the help of MSM. Yeah, don't report the truth.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                  PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                  This is truth.  The Obama administration was the most efficient administration ever at deporting illegal immigrants.  Far better than GWB.  You get a gold star for getting it right.

                  1. ahorseback profile image49
                    ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                    http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13271164.jpg

                    Were you around when the Jonestown massacre  happened , Look closely at this picture , There were 909 dead , mostly Americans when they drank the poisoned cool-aid  of Rev.Jimmy Jones, I'm thinking 1978  ?  .     In the tears since  2000  something like ,and  the number varies ,   6000  people have died while crossing the southern border of America , mostly from dehydration .  Men,  women and little kids ...........That photo above is exactly what the likes what YOU  support by an Open southern US border !

                    Congratulations !

            2. ahorseback profile image49
              ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              Lets face it , There Will Be No Deportation and  you know that !    Deportation will only be those who have continuously broke the laws of our country and STILL stay here illegally ----Maybe !

              Wilderness is right , we don't need a wall -Just a law against hiring illegally .!

              That however is not what liberals  see there is only utopia of no laws whatsoever or the Armageddon of a controlled immigration .  Why the sensationalism . Who can guess the liberal mind?

  10. PhoenixV profile image79
    PhoenixVposted 5 months ago

    https://cdn1.img.sputniknews.com/images/104620/27/1046202772.png


    Just checking. Have any liberals left or uhm fled the USA yet?

    1. PrettyPanther profile image84
      PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago in reply to this

      We're still waiting for O'Reilly and Limpbaugh to leave. It's been years since they said they would.

      1. Paul Wingert profile image78
        Paul Wingertposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        Didn't that POS Ted Nugent promise that if Obama got re-elected that he's be in prison or dead? We're waiting.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image84
          PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          Yes, it happens every election, from both sides.

          Their desire to have liberals out of their hair is a natural human response. Let them enjoy their schadenfreude. I have a feeling it will be very short-lived.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image19
            Castlepalomaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            That is not a good example, Ted is so whacked. You can't believe him anymore than Trump.

      2. ahorseback profile image49
        ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

        I truly wish everyone who hates  and disrespects this system leaves  America now , right , left  , purple , black , green.   For your own serenities  sake- get out !    And yet , here is the first thing that those so entitled as to think its all supposed to go this way never quite get ! You will never attain the freedoms that you think that you don't own right now  ,Inside of America

        There are winners and losers for every election - Not just the one you lost .

        1. The Old Guard profile image81
          The Old Guardposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          Seems, with the rioting and burning of stuff after the election, we'd lose some demoncraps - which wouldn't be a bad thing.
          For Trumps "deplorables" I see no rioting, no burning, just law abiding citizens.
          Just the demoncraps, once again, breaking the law and harming others property.
          Typical of that group's mindset.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image84
            PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            Still wondering where you got your misinformation. It's important that our decisions be based on factual information.

            http://hubpages.com/politics/forum/1387 … ost2851902

          2. PhoenixV profile image79
            PhoenixVposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            No surprise there.

          3. Aime F profile image85
            Aime Fposted 5 months ago in reply to this

            Oh gee, could that be because Trump was elected, perhaps?  Why on earth would they be protesting the person they voted for being elected?

            The Republicans would have been doing the exact same thing if Hillary was elected and you know it.  Trump was encouraging it the whole time.  People on here were posting about civil war.

            Don't be obtuse.

            1. The Old Guard profile image81
              The Old Guardposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              Nope, haven't seen Trump supporters riot about anything.
              You're assuming, which is typical of those who don't want to face facts.
              Fact is, it's always democraps that riot, burn and destroy.
              When was the last time you saw white, middle class people burn down the suburbs?
              Or help destroy the inner city, which is usually populated by blacks?
              I'll wait in high anticipation for your response.
              Cheers

              1. Aime F profile image85
                Aime Fposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                "When was the last time you saw white, middle class people burn down the suburbs?"

                Should I go ahead and grab pictures from some major sporting events over the past 20 years?  White people frequently riot over the really important stuff - SPORTS!

                1. ahorseback profile image49
                  ahorsebackposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                  How about All races rioting at a sports event .  Not only biased but blind ?   He's right if you had been around awhile you wouldn't be afraid to admit it , Young , entitled ,  liberal , socialist minded , wilding out ,   Is and has been the rioters of the our past .

                  "Don't be obtuse".

                2. PhoenixV profile image79
                  PhoenixVposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                  https://cdn1.img.sputniknews.com/images/104620/27/1046202772.png
                     


                  Those people rioting at those particular sporting events were all hillary supporters.

                  Do you have any photos of rioting going on at a NASCAR event? Then you will have a point.

                  1. Aime F profile image85
                    Aime Fposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                    I'm assuming you have something, ANYTHING, to back up the claim that every person who has ever rioted over sports was a Democrat? lol

            2. Castlepaloma profile image19
              Castlepalomaposted 5 months ago in reply to this

              Wait until the US nation finds out that it is impossible to do the things Trump keeps promising to do. Corporatism could impeach him for the dollar collapses. Just hope 2 evils eliminate each other first. Some how rather a civil war and world war will be called to add to the insanity.

              Hoping I'm just putting my head in the sand in Bolivia Cochabamba beaches, not bending over to kiss my arse goodbye from the fall out.

              1. The Old Guard profile image81
                The Old Guardposted 5 months ago in reply to this

                Since you don't live in the U.S. nor understand the politics, if I were you, I'd sit back and read responses.
                No other country in the world has the dynamics of America. We are unique. It's difficult for those from other counties to understand, much less if you're an American.
                Americans are either going to be a socialistic cesspool, or a freedom loving country. Trump is, possibly, looking out for the freedoms of the common person. 
                This liberal BS of political correctness and "hurt feelings"  and bigotry only found in conservatives, is nonsense. Democrats are the biggest bigots of all - just look at the recent riots after the election.
                We just got done with a bigot in the White House for 8 years. Trump, hopefully, will bring in some fresh air to the cesspool we have in D.C.
                When we citizens of the U.S. figure it out, that will be the time to chime in!
                Cheers

        2. PrettyPanther profile image84
          PrettyPantherposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          I know you think criticism of America that you disagree with is equivalent to "hating America. "

          But, you're wrong. As usual. We live in a country where our right to freedom of speech is protected by the constitution.

          Get used to it, horse. It's going to be a long four years. big_smile

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          Norine Williamsposted 5 months ago in reply to this

          Me too horse and give it back to whom it belong - THE INDIANS! Where would that leave those who "fraudulently" took it?

          Welcome back America!

  11. PhoenixV profile image79
    PhoenixVposted 4 months ago

    How many have left so far?

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      Norine Williamsposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      The "right" thing to do is to GIVE IT BACK to whom it belongs; then see how many would be "left?"

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        That would be Adam or, because he's dead, his descendants.  Which is everyone earth, is it not?

      2. PhoenixV profile image79
        PhoenixVposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        We do not live in a world of who has seniority. Its whoever has the biggest stick makes the rules. Always been that way. Give it back to who.

  12. Aime F profile image85
    Aime Fposted 4 months ago

    Everyone's probably waiting until January, flights are cheaper then anyway.

    1. profile image57
      Norine Williamsposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      Well, we can look at it two ways "Give it back to whoever was here when 'Columbus' arrived" or "Give it back to GOD" then we wouldn't have to worry about "cheap flights" Aime!   

      Either way it would be "The "right" thing to do!

      1. Live to Learn profile image81
        Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        If we worry about who was where 600 years (worldwide) ago and everyone figure out which ancestor they want to identify with, and everyone go to that location wherever it is in the world, it would make for an interesting migration of humanity. It would be an ignorant endeavor, but interesting.

        1. Aime F profile image85
          Aime Fposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          Ooh, Scandinavia here I come.

          1. PhoenixV profile image79
            PhoenixVposted 4 months ago in reply to this

            My ancestors are from all over but im pretty sure the Queen of England is sqatting on a 1/4 acre of my property at least.

            1. Aime F profile image85
              Aime Fposted 4 months ago in reply to this

              She said we get to choose which ancestors we want to identify with so if you don't wanna deal with the queen you can just forget about those ones. 

              I had it narrowed down to Scandinavia or Morocco, but I don't like the heat so easy choice in the end.  Maybe I'll still be allowed to go for vacations.

          2. profile image57
            Norine Williamsposted 4 months ago in reply to this

            Yeah!  I'd have to 'split' myself by way of Ireland, Africa, and the US!  So I guess the easiest and the righteous thing to do is "GIVE IT BACK TO GOD!" 

            No "cheap flights" needed Aime! GOD teaches 'Quantum tunneling!'  HE walked through walls didn't HE (John 20:19)?  HE told us "Greater things than these shall we do" (John 14:12)! 

            We are "lacking" somewhere (me too)!

            "Not that I've attained - I Press" ( Philippians 3:12)!

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 4 months ago in reply to this

              As I have some European blood, it is a near certainty that I also have some Neanderthal genes.  I figure that they own the entire earth, being here before those nasty homo sapiens sapiens stuck their ugly noses into it all.

              Mine!  All Mine!

              1. profile image57
                Norine Williamsposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                hahahahaha!  lol!

                You crack my sides "Wilderness!"

              2. Live to Learn profile image81
                Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                lol

          3. Live to Learn profile image81
            Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

            I'll simply choose my native American ancestors. The European side lost my interest 250 years ago.

  13. Will Apse profile image91
    Will Apseposted 4 months ago

    It is all going to be about your ancestors, your eye color and having a good solid Anglo name going forward. I would stay out of the sun, if you can, lol.

    1. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      Yes. Sure. We are going to ignore our entire set of values simply to mimic behavior patterns we've studied in European history.

      Not.

  14. Will Apse profile image91
    Will Apseposted 4 months ago

    Nigel Farage recently declared Obama to be a 'loathsome creature' on the basis that he had never showed enough love for the UK and had moved the bust of Winston Churchill out of the Oval office.

    After his meeting with Trump, Farage declared Trump to be a 'wonderful man' because he often visited the UK and had promised to move Churchill's bust back.

    If you don't think that this is:

    a. simple-minded
    b. only a few steps removed Stormfront

    ... then you have already been infected.

    1. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      So,  you have an idiot politician in Nigel Farage. Welcome to our world. We, too, have a lot of idiot politicians.

  15. PhoenixV profile image79
    PhoenixVposted 4 months ago

    Not one liberal has left as promised?

    Meanwhile Metallica IS leaving Liberal-Land in disgust.


    Metallica is best known for being intolerant to easy listening music and being capitalist pigs.

    1. Credence2 profile image85
      Credence2posted 4 months ago in reply to this

      Oh yes, Phoenix they are leaving..

      That is why Trump is having trouble finding first rate talent for his inaugural gala?

      But he can always call on Ted Nugent, the Morman Tabernacle Choir, or the 16 year old teen as second runner up on the TV program "America's Got Talent", who has mastered the gazoo.

      But it is not just the libs, so far the only former living POTUS to have expressed the intention of attending the inaugural gala is Jimmy Carter. No Clinton nor Bushes, even Obama has not indicated that he would attend. To bad that the right cannot resurrect Ronald Reagan, perhaps he would attend?

      This is just a harbinger of what awaits Mr. Trump, and he has not even assumed the mantle, yet.

      My admonition to Mr. Trump stands: do not underestimate the power of the left, so watch your caboose.

      1. PhoenixV profile image79
        PhoenixVposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        Swamp people wont be attending? And in your mind this is a negative.

        1. PhoenixV profile image79
          PhoenixVposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          People that know me will attest that I like Carter. Probably only person who does. Habitat humanity etc. I guess he has class. Or he could be just happy obama has replaced him as worst prez ever. Spend into infinity, steal poor honest peoples income tax return. milquetoast teleprompter in chief.

          1. Credence2 profile image85
            Credence2posted 4 months ago in reply to this

            You think Obama was bad, one that is far worse than he is coming in January.

            1. PhoenixV profile image79
              PhoenixVposted 4 months ago in reply to this

              Obama is a politician and all are bad. If Trump turns into one or is one he is bad too. If he gets us all killed it wont matter much anyway.lol

            2. PhoenixV profile image79
              PhoenixVposted 4 months ago in reply to this

              Merry Christmas Mr. Credence2

              1. Credence2 profile image85
                Credence2posted 4 months ago in reply to this

                Hey, Phoenix,  you are a 'stand up' guy and I like you.  I promise that I will work in earnest to bring you back to "good side" of the force in 2017.

                Besides all that, the very best to you and yours during the coming holidays...

                1. PhoenixV profile image79
                  PhoenixVposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                  Thank you Sir. Merry Christmas to you and all your family too.  Maybe Trump wont be so bad. Ive see pictures of our new. FLOTUS. It looked like she had donated all her clothes to charity or something. Thats a political gift if I ever saw one.

                2. PhoenixV profile image79
                  PhoenixVposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                  I heard Trump has been very busy creating thousands of pages of new policy and changes. Volumes of material and centerfolds. Talk of adding on to the West Wing adjacent to the Oval Office something called a champagne room. Good things for 2017.

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                    Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                    A "champagne room?"   Oh LORD!  That mixed with that quick temper?  Someone please remove the "red button!"

                  2. Credence2 profile image85
                    Credence2posted 3 months ago in reply to this

                    Champagne Room, you got to be kidding? For all the GOPs talk of fiscal austerity, Trump is using tax payer dollars for questionable construction on the White House, while he pals up with Ryan to gut SS and Medicare. I can't wait, WE are going to eat him alive....

                  3. PhoenixV profile image79
                    PhoenixVposted 3 months ago in reply to this
  16. MichaelDeeGuitar profile image59
    MichaelDeeGuitarposted 3 months ago

    this is all liberal leftist nonsense.

  17. PhoenixV profile image79
    PhoenixVposted 3 months ago

    I was watching Michelle on the Ellen Degeneres show. Ellen was saying how wonderful she is. How many wonderful accomplishments she has done although nothing specific. How wonderful a person she is. How wonderful it was to have her on the show. It was wonderful. Unfortunately I slipped into a diabetic coma after that. Anyone see how it ended? Wonderfully?

    1. Credence2 profile image85
      Credence2posted 3 months ago in reply to this

      I did not get to see the show. But what has Mrs. Trump done outside of being pin-up girl? But, I forget, she did graduate from Trump Unversity, Magna Cum Lotta.....

      1. PhoenixV profile image79
        PhoenixVposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        Its appropriate to be gracious. The point is, as you demonstrate, if it were a conservative guest, although highly unlikely at all, we could expect a hostile enviroment and cat fight. Then a SNL show skit about how funny it was and a late night show about how they had it coming.

    2. Aime F profile image85
      Aime Fposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      So what?  She is wonderful!

      And you know, I hope Melania shows all of us that she's wonderful, too.  Hating her husband doesn't mean I have to hate her, she's her own person.  I don't know much about her yet but I hope that as time goes on she succeeds in showing everyone that she's not just a model, or a "mail-order bride" or whatever else people have superficially pinned her as.  I hope she comes out and kicks ass, especially after seeing the comments on this thread (and the thousands of others like them floating around everywhere else, too).  The fact that she took some revealing photos does not define her.  I'm cheering for her.

  18. PhoenixV profile image79
    PhoenixVposted 3 months ago

    Any liberals left yet?


    Good night, good night until we meet again
    Adios, au revoir, auf wiedersehen 'til then
    And though it's always sweet sorrow to part
    You know you'll always remain in my heart

    1. Castlepaloma profile image19
      Castlepalomaposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      When the Federal Government gets abolished, I will personally help them packed their bags.

      1. PhoenixV profile image79
        PhoenixVposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        All my bags are packed, I'm ready to go, I'm standing here outside your door,
        I hate to wake you up to say good-bye.
        But the dawn is breaking, it's early morn, the taxi's waiting He's blowing his horn.
        Already I'm so lonesome I could die.
        So kiss me and smile for me, tell me that you'll wait for me, hold me like you'll never let me go.
        'Cause I'm leaving on a jet plane, don't know when I'll be back again. Oh, babe, I hate to go.

  19. Castlepaloma profile image19
    Castlepalomaposted 3 months ago

    Just living in South America, not looking at leaving the planet like some celebrities. I may be come back after the war. If they can balance out the greedy mental illnesses competition from the common man's cooperation.

  20. TessSchlesinger profile image91
    TessSchlesingerposted 3 months ago

    http://www.irishcentral.com/news/politi … ns-soaring

    I know of a good few people who have applied for passports.

    That said, it surprises me that these people don't realize one can't just go and live and work in another country. There is an application process which is very tough.

    To legally live and work in any country (USA, included), you have to have certain qualifications, a certain financial standing, a criminal check, a medical check up, etc.  It's also quite expensive (Been there, done that.)

    One cannot just up and go and live in Canada, or Europe, or Australia, or South America. So while the sentiment might have been there, the practicalities are somewhat difficult to overcome.

    That said, the people I know who have applied for passports have property in other countries or they have access to second passports as a result of marriage, etc.

    The bottom line is that liberals (and progressives) won't be leaving the country in droves.

    That said, after three or four years of Trump, Trump supporters might be applying for passports as well.

    Just syaing. smile

  21. PhoenixV profile image79
    PhoenixVposted 3 months ago

    I don't think the average adult Hollywood liberal could survive a 1970s Grade School playground without having some kind of breakdown.

    1. TessSchlesinger profile image91
      TessSchlesingerposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      Why do you think that? I find the Republican view of liberals in America to be bizarre. Although I am more progressive than liberal, I would take on any Republican in the bush or anywhere else. I don't know where you get this idea that liberals are wimps. I find the lack of kindness, the lack of insight, and lack of compassion in American conservatives to be offensive.

      I don't know many Republican woman who have put a rucksack on their back and gone into the heart of Africa, sailed down the Amazon, gone into the heart of India, etc  I'm not talking about living in hotels. I'm talking about living rough, the backwoods, the places wher\e the locals go.

      Today, I attended the Cape Minstrels in Cape Town. I was a lone white face amongst thousands and thousands of Cape Coloureds. Didn't worry me. Every day, I move on African transport, something shunned by conservative white South Africans because they are scared.

      I'm not scared. I'm not really a scared person. I know how to look after myself. I am, however, called a libtard by Americans.

      I truly, truly find your views confusing.

      1. PhoenixV profile image79
        PhoenixVposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        You find it odd that liberals are stereotyped this way.

        1. TessSchlesinger profile image91
          TessSchlesingerposted 3 months ago in reply to this

          Yes.. When I first came to America, I was absolutely horrified. I think it's fair to say that I left hubpages originally (and facebook) because I was called so many names for views that are the norm (or certainly were the norm) in Europe and the UK for most of my life.

          I also eventually left America because of Republicans. I never want to live in a country where there is so much hatred and where I am constantly disparaged because I happen to have the values of a European. Those values are written in the Charter of Human Rights, something which America does not have.

          I have been called every name under the sun for my views. So much for the land of the free and the home of the brave.

          I don't get the issue with abortion. That has been the norm for half a century elsewhere. Then, again, most people in the first world outside America tend to be secular. I don't get the issue with gay marriage. Each to his own. I don't get the rejection of hard science, of climate change, of believing in mystical gods. I honestly don't get it.

          I didn't realize when I went to America that I would be stepping back in time. I thought I was going to an advanced civilization.

          1. PhoenixV profile image79
            PhoenixVposted 3 months ago in reply to this

            You expect people to accept your views but you find other peoples views unacceptable, so much so that you have to flee Facebook.  Because in your opinion, republicans and religious people etc, are uncivilized or behind the times compared to your progressive view of reality. You have not possibly met eveyone of them but the generalization is good enough. You base your beliefs on some unspecified subjective standard and everyone else has to abide that? You sometimes become disconcerted because people make assumptions about you and other liberals find this an egregious offense that should be punished while conversely doing the same thing to them, is this a fair assessment?

            1. TessSchlesinger profile image91
              TessSchlesingerposted 3 months ago in reply to this

              No, it's NOT the views. I might find the views somewhat outdated, but I wouldn't have had an issue with that. I have an issue with being called names, with being viciously trolled, something which I had never in my entire life encountered before.

              They trolled me for my views. They didn't just disagree They called me every single name under the sun.

              And, yes, what did you expect me to do? Carry on being trolled? I was incredibly upset at the time. I had never met such viciousness in my life . I had no idea how to handle it. Day after day, I was polite in my response, explaining it.

              Did I get politeness back?

              No, I got called names, etc.

              So, you're entitled to believe exactly what you like. I really don't care. Not my life. However, when people begin to attack my character, and when that appears to be the norm amongst a lot of people, I have to reconsider my perspective.

              In the end, I left.

              The irony of that is that before I came to the USA, I was warned - repeatedly. I thought that the people warning me didn't know what they were talking about. Then, for the first few years, every time I met another immigrant, they would ask me what I thought of Americans. All of them thought that Americans had no idea how to make friends.

              I met a guy from Jamaica who said he had been in America for 31 years, made an excellent living, but had never made a friend.

              I met a South African who were massively successfuly in America. Owned a chain of restaurants. He said America was the hardest country he had ever lived in. I was flabbergasted. I asked him why as he had made so much money. He said that the money was the easy part, but that he had never made a friend, and it was a very lonely existence

              So, in the end, I left.

              I'm sure you're very happy to see me go.

              The good part for me was that, through Google Plus, I eventually met many American progressives. You might call them libtards and wimps. I didn't find that. I found them intelligent, well informed, highly educated, well traveled, etc.

              So, we have different viewpoints.

              No, of course, I have not met everyone. I met enough, though, to eventually realize that America would never work for me.

              As I said, I'm sure you're pleased to see me go. I understand that. That's why I didn't stay.

          2. profile image57
            Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

            America was built on "control" via RELIGION! 

            GOD gives "Choice!" 

            Joshua 24:15 "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, "CHOOSE" you this day whom ye will serve..."  HE didn't say "YOU WILL SERVE ME" but asked us to make a "CHOICE!"  HE doesn't "pressure" ANYONE into serving HIM yet "desires no one is lost" (II Peter 3:9) and is "MERCIFUL" to ALL!

            1. PhoenixV profile image79
              PhoenixVposted 3 months ago in reply to this

              I believe there was the suggestion that this sort of God belief is a dull-witted primitive and uncivilized belief in a " mystical " being.  How do you feel about that Norine?  Do you feel disconcerted?

            2. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 3 months ago in reply to this

              No pressure at all - just an eternity of torment if that "serve" is declined.  No pressure at all. big_smile

              1. PhoenixV profile image79
                PhoenixVposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                An arrogant narcissistic personality incapable of subjugating will; multiplied times eternity is a horror show.  what's especially cool about it is;  by their own free will, they put the handcuffs on themselves.big_smile

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                  Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                  They same they said of Jesus!  "Comparing HIMSELF to GOD!"  Thanks!  I take the phrase "arrogant narcissistic personality" to be a compliment!  My *will?*  Which has more weight; *my* will or the WILL OF GOD?  I prefer "handcuffs on myself" IF *HE* is in "control!" 

                  TRY IT!  YOU "WILL" like IT!

              2. profile image57
                Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                Yes "belief" that there is A CREATOR and the Bible is HIS WORD however I've found HIM not to be "dumb witted or primitive" since I've experienced HIS PROMISES in *my* life!  Nothing "disconcerted!"

                Having experienced, and knowing that "Greater things than these shall ye do" in this world; I'm not a FOOL!  Consequently, who cares about "an eternity of torment" which one who BELIEVES will not face!  Yes, "No pressure at all" but BENEFITS++++++

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                  So believe the myth known to be false and escape that torment.  Except that most people cannot just "believe" that which they know to be untrue and will thus be relegated to Hell for eternity.  Nope - no pressure at all.

            3. Credence2 profile image85
              Credence2posted 3 months ago in reply to this

              That is correct, now tell THAT to the religious right and ask them to keep their probosis out from the private affairs of other people.

              1. profile image57
                Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                It's our job (as disciples) to "REMIND!"  No one is "pressured" into DOING anything!  HE gives "Choice" and is still MERCIFUL by letting unrighteous people LIVE & prosper for HE "rains on the just and unjust" (Matt5:45)!

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                  And the job of non-believers, presumably, to feed the believers to the lions.  That's how it works, isn't it - Matthew 7:12 clearly states not to "remind" unless you wish to be "reminded" yourself.  Odd how that verse is so often relegated to file 13, isn't it?

                  1. profile image57
                    Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                    NO!  Matthew 7:21 says "Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven" and says NOTHING about "unless you wish to be "reminded!" 

                    Romans 2:21 ""Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself?..."  Therefore, when we "teach another; we REMIND or "teach" ourselves." 

                    Works that way!

          3. Credence2 profile image85
            Credence2posted 3 months ago in reply to this

            That is an interesting perspective, is that why conserves here are so terrorified of views of the country from the outside?

            Diversity is realityand so is Climate change, that is of course, if we go with the opinion of the overwhelming number who areexpert in the topic and not just take the highly esteemed opinion of Donald Trump and Sarah Palin as gospel.

          4. Live to Learn profile image81
            Live to Learnposted 3 months ago in reply to this

            roll

  22. colorfulone profile image89
    colorfuloneposted 3 months ago

    According to the dictionary the word proselytize means "to convert" or attempt to convert,  from one religion, belief, or opinion to another.   That is what Christians are called to do.

    The word "proselytize" has gotten a bad connotation from those who misinterpret the word and what it truly means. They lack the knowledge of what sharing the Good News means.

    Sure there is the Great Commandment (love).  There is also the Great Commission to go into all the world..."to convert" people by repentance, to change their belief, to believe in the Good News of Jesus Christ.   

    Jesus commissioned his disciples to preach repentance... "The Good News" to all nations, "to convert" others by sharing their faith in His life, death and resurrection and the forgiveness of sins.

    "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!" So, in a way those who carry the Good News have spiritually had a pedicure, and their feet are beautiful in God's sight. 

    If, we truly love our neighbors, we should not just let them go into eternity without Jesus, without sharing the Gospel.  Its like carrying the good news that the 'battle of war' is over and everyone is safe, and that all one has to do is accept the free gift of salvation through faith. 

    Its a pedicure!   smile   Just some spiritual humor on the pedicure.

    "Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." 
    Whatever a person has in their heart in abundance is what they speak....
    unless they are being deceptive, or think they have to be PC.
    We have free speech, or we don't. -  I'm at liberty.

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      Amen! Amen! Amen!

      LOVE that "pedicure" humor!  I've got one!

      II Corinthians 3:17 "Now the LORD is THAT SPIRIT: and where the SPIRIT of the LORD is, THERE IS LIBERTY!"

      1. colorfulone profile image89
        colorfuloneposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        I love being at liberty.   The rite of passage is for everyone.

    2. TessSchlesinger profile image91
      TessSchlesingerposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      You are so right! People simply don't understand what it means to proselytize - especially on a thread meant to unite all Americans by rubbing salt into wounds.

      I simply have to share my experience with you. It happened when I met Father Christmas when I was six years old. I had my my own very personal experience with him.

      He told me if I went out and told everybody about him, he would give me all the gifts I wanted, and after I died, I go to the North Pole and become an elf in his factory. Can you just imagine all that love?

      Just imagine the love. Nobody loves me now. Nobody gives me presents now. I don't have anything as magnifient as that commitment on this earth. I just dream of the day I get to spend working in that cold artiic workshop. smile Don't you think that Father Christmas gave me an amazing promise?

      Every since then, I've been working to convert people to Father Christmas. Fortunately, there's a mass of evidence for his existence. For example, his photo is on every Christmas card. (Well, many of them). Plus there are the pine trees. Where do you think the Christmas trees came from if it wasn't for Father Christmas? Then there are all the diffeerent names he is known as. Obviously, someone that well  known has to be authentiic. So it's not as if proof for Father Christmas doesn't exist. I mean there is more evidence for the existence of Father Christmas than there is for Julius Casesar.

      Anyway, I just wanted to pass on this superb news to you. Who wouldn't want to be an elf in Father Christmas' workshop after death. Imagine all those amazing presents. And whenever you ask for something on this earth, my father Christmas will give it to you.

      Imagine having a daddy billionaire for a father. Such loving kindness. It's not as if anybody else loves you. It's  not as if there are better things to do with your time than annoy other people by your constant ranting about a non existent entity on a post about something completely different.

      Nope, people just don't understand how to witness to others.

      Really, they ought to get a life.

      What else is there to do with one's time other than go on about Father Christmas?

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        Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        Factious are we Tess?

        Sorry you think that's all I do is try to "convert" people to Father Christmas and don't have a life! 
         
        Why do you HATE GOD so?  Is it because HE'S against your lifestyle?  I'm just curious?  What has HE done to you?   

        Wilderness ; GOD told us to do unto others as we would have them to unto us" and I do!  All I want from another is DON"T LIE TO ME OR ON ME!  I HATE LIARS as much as I HATE RELIGION! 

        You're right Wilderness!  The GOD I serve (aka THE CREATOR) told disciples of Christ to "Have no other gods before HIM" and since they don't serve the TRUE AND LIVING GOD; not interested!

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 3 months ago in reply to this

          What makes you equate a dislike of being lied to with hating a non-existent god?  That's quite a jump, isn't it?

          Of course you do.  You really want others to shove their silly beliefs in your face at every opportunity, demand your time to hear their falsehoods, etc.  Of course you do.

          Truthfully though, I don't expect a far right Christian to understand the concept at all.  And they don't - those two verses are so thoroughly spun that the letters might as well be tossed into the air to see what words come out of it when they fall.

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            Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

            Wilderness:

            RELIGION and society has LIED to ALL; losing souls; confusing MOST causing NO ACTION from PROMISES of GOD!  It is "quite a jump" from what WILL actually happen IF one "obeys" and "line up" with the instructions given to inherit HIS PROMISES! 

            *I* don't want "others to shove their beliefs in my face..." I want them to KNOW the instructions they've not been "taught" via RELIGION to inherit THE PROMISES are PRECISELY the opposite of what IS WRITTEN!

            "Truthfully," you and the majority of others will not "understand the concept at all" because of the LIES "taught!"  As there is a recipe for cooking a dish, there is a "recipe" to form a "relationship with GOD" and MOST haven't been "taught" causing them not to see ANY EVIDENCE of a GOD!  They become "dry bones" and attend a church with "dry bones" members and eventually become disgruntled and say "What the Hell!" and become an "Unbeliever" and/or an Atheist!  I would too! 

            When "gold" was discovered in California, they didn't keep it a "secret" and when I found the "recipe" to form a DIRECT COMMUNICATION LINE to GOD; HE "revealed" to me how to "get in line" for the CONNECTION to inherit HIS blessings, you think I can "keep it a secret?"  If one LOVES someone they want "good" for that individual!  They want that individual to have access to EVERYTHING that would prosper them; both physically and spiritually!  When "IN" Christ, one has AGAPE LOVE and want ALL to experience!  Just a bunch of BS, huh?  They said the same thing of JESUS!

            You say the Scriptures say "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?"  I AM!  I AM praying that all listen to what GOD has SAID to align with HIS WORD to form THE CONNECTION for ACTION from GOD!  No more "dry bones!"  No more RELIGION!  No more LIES!

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 3 months ago in reply to this

              "*I* don't want "others to shove their beliefs in my face...""

              Then, please, follow the instructions of your god and refrain from shoving your beliefs onto others.  "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and keep your beliefs to yourself, just as you wish others to keep their beliefs to themselves.

              1. profile image57
                Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                I am a disciple of Christ and as such OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS (John 14:15)! 

                JESUS didn't tell me to "keep my beliefs to myself" but COMMANDED me to find out what their beliefs are (Hebrews 6:1-3)  and "CORRECT" (II Timothy 3:16) with HIS WORD! 

                We "will know them by their fruits" (Matthew 7:16) or whether or not the are TRULY "Christians," when they do are do not do as WORD "COMMANDS!"  I Peter 3:15 says "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready ALWAYS to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"  Therefore, when you see one "hoping" one "goes away," DELETES HIS WORD, DEFY HIS WORD, or such; we "KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUIT" and "there is NO LIGHT in them" (Isaiah 8:20), only use HIS WORD to justify their "self righteousness" and are of Satan (I Corinthians 10:21)! 

                I understand you are an Atheist, but for people to "proclaim Christianity" and feel the way you do, ("GO AWAY!") are only LYING HYPOCRITES  using GOD to justify their "self righteousness!"  At least you are honest!  You have stated "I am Atheist; therefore LEAVE ME ALONE!"  To that I say, we ALL have "choice" but when you get TIRED of trying everything to "fill that empty spot;" HE'S WAITING!

                Blessings

                1. TessSchlesinger profile image91
                  TessSchlesingerposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                  No, you actually don't understand why people are atheists. Atheists are the most highly intelligent people on the planet. They are also the most educated and study after study has shown they know more about religion than religion people. Most of them them have had 'personal relationships' with gods before realizing it's a lot of hogwash.

                  In fact, your own pastor might be an atheist. If you want to research it, google pastors who have become atheists. There's an entire organisation that caters for them. They don't tell their congregations and they live a lie. But if they leave, they won't have a job.

                  The percentage of atheists in prison is also the lowest, while Christian criminals compares favourably with other religions. Religious people are far more prone to crime than atheists are.

                  STudies have also shown that atheists donate more, are more ethical, and have more stable marriages with lower divorce rates.

                  You know absolutely nothing about atheists except the lies you have been told about us. But then, you're believing a whole lot of lies, anyway. There are no gods. There was no Jesus Christ. You're on your own. When you die, you die.

                  And if you honestly need the threat of hell or the reward of heaven to make you do good to others, then you're a sad case.

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                    Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                    You miss the WHOLE POINT!  It's LIES via RELIGION that has driven you to become "self sufficient/righteous!"  It's RELIGION that has LIED to MOST to make people MISS the CONNECTION LINE to GOD and therefore have not acquired "HARD EVIDENCE" that there is a GOD!  It's RELIGION that has made MOST "search" via their knowledge looking for TRUTH!  It's RELIGION that Satan has used to LOSE SOULS!

                    I "know you already know," but let me REMIND you!  Acts 1:2 says "Until the day in which he as taken up, AFTER THAT (Did you hear "AFTER THAT?") he "THROUGH THE HOLY GHOST" (Did you hear "HE speaks to us through the HOLY GHOST?") had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen" (Did you hear HE speaks DIRECTLY to us - TODAY (Hebrews 13:8) "IF" we have been "chosen" or have OBEYED by "WAITING" (Acts 1:4)?  That's the WHOLE POINT!  HE told us in Jeremiah 31:34 that Under the New Covenant "No man would have to teach each other because HE would speak to us DIRECTLY "IF" we OBEY HIS "LAST" Commandment!"

                    That's the problem!  MOST (Especially preachers) haven't "obeyed" and is why morals and values (aka unbelievers) outweigh"Christianity!"  I AGREE! 

                    I don't worry about "the threat of hell or the reward of heaven" for ANYTHING because I know I AM RIGHTEOUS BY by "FAITH" (Romans 3:22) and "doing good to others" is only a by-product of being "IN" Christ!  My concern is making it through THIS LIFE in receipt of ALL OF HIS PROMISES which makes for HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS "IN" me SURPASS those of unbelievers!  REMINDER:  "For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall EXCEED the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall IN NO CASE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN" (Matthew 5:20)!    Now, with GOD speaking DIRECTLY to us, how could it not? 

                    Therefore, do you see what RELIGION has done?  Do you now know why "there are more "proclaimed Christians" not EXCEEDING the righteousness of unbelievers? 

                    I agree with you "It's SAD!"  No one has ever "taught" TRUTH! 

                    IT IS "SAD!"

                    I HATE RELIGION!
                    Blessings

        2. TessSchlesinger profile image91
          TessSchlesingerposted 3 months ago in reply to this

          I'm so glad you asked me why I hate god? I don't, but it does give me permission to ask what your real issues are. What are they? Did you lose a boyfriend? Don't you have any friends? Are you poor? What are the real issues in your life, and why do you think God will solve them? Also, what do you hope to achieve by writing in capital letters? You do know that it doesn't emphasize importance, don't you? It means you are shouting at someone. Don't you think it's rude to shout to people? Do you think you will convert anyone by shouting at them? Or does it just make you feel good about yourself.

          I spent ten years as a fundamentalist Christian. It remains the single most destructive element in my life. My life started repairing itself when I used real life solutions to real life problems

          For instance, it's pointless praying to god to fix up a crooked nose. Getting an operation fixes it up.

          It's pointless praying to god for more money when simply finding a way to earn more money is more likely to have results.

          Praying to a non-existent god will not fix up your issues. I know that, because I spent 10 years as a fundamentalist Christian, plus 5 years at a religious school, plus another 10 years working through the garbage heap of the law of attraction and other bs.

          Thankfully, I am now in a state of unbelief. The day I finally admitted to myself I was an atheist set me free.

          If God doesn't like my lifestyle, then he must be an unethical, immoral, horrible, murdering ignoramus. My  lifestyle is (and always has been) highly ethical by any humane standard.

          What is it that you think god won't like about my lifestyle? Please do tell. After all, I'm sure that God is telling you all this stuff personally. And I want evidene. God is mighty after all, isn't he? He will surely provide you the evidence that I am living the kind of lifestyle that will bring on another flood or send the world to Sodom and Gemorrah. And ddon't give me a bible quote. I probably know the bible better than you ever will. And it is a weak mind that has to rely on spouting gibberish verses because it doesn't have the ability to reason.

          God has never done anything to me or for me. He doesn't exist. Christians, however, made my life a living hell, and I finally succumbed to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder which took me 15 years to eradicate. The financial destruction was something I never recovered from and the emotional destrution took 20 years to cure.

          Why do you have a need to shout at people at hubpages? Are you mentally ill?

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            Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

            Tess, dear Tess!  I LOVE you girl!  Do you notice how I "placed emphasis" on the word LOVE by using caps and not "shouting?"  Tess, read what I wrote to Wilderness because you are a prime example of what RELIGION has done to lose souls! 

            I am a 67 year old woman who is "computer illiterate" but have a Message that is MORE IMPORTANT than using computer etiquette!  I don't care if you think I'm crazy, illiterate, rude, WHATEVER; I want you to understand the Message (aka "recipe") to CONNECT to GOD! 

            I had not read your comments BEFORE responding to Wilderness, but my response to him applies to you also!  You see what their "dry bone" RELIGION has done to you?  You see why people get "disgruntled" and turn away from GOD?  You see how Satan has used RELIGION to make people become "disgruntled" and walk away from GOD TRYING to fill that "empty spot" I had for so long?  LIES; ALL LIES!  I'm TIRED!  GOD is TIRED!         

            Tess, (unlike you) I BELIEVE the Bible "IS" the WORD "from" GOD and therefore it is "IS" GOD speaking (John 1:1)!  You stated you "know the Bible better than I do" so I don't have to tell you GOD told us to "Be fruitful and multiply" and a "same sex relationship" causes humans to lose the capability to replenish the earth!  Think!  If we all eventually formed a relationship as such; how long would we (man) last?  You don't have to be "RELIGIOUS" to realize this!  I won't bore you with Scripture since you know better than me but by "human standards" it's not right!  Only a couple 100 years from now (might be better off) we (man) wouldn't exist!       

            "GOD has NEVER done anything for you?"  My GOD Tess!  You're breathing aren't you?  You've been given MERCY to do anything you want to do whether you are right or wrong!  You've been given health and strength with all your faculties about you!  You've have the intelligence to acquire provisions in your life!  You've been provided doctors to "straighten your nose!"  You are BLESSED and I'm sure in more ways than I've listed!  What about family and friends?  What about finances?  You say *you* did all these things?  Back to basics girl!  Who REALLY gave you the ability to do these things?  I'm sure LYING "Christians" have "made your life a living hell" because if they don't know the "recipe" then they are just another person "thinking" they "know" GOD! 

            Look what they've done to not only you but MOST "Ex-Christians?"  Look what RELIGION has done!  I HATE RELIGION!  I HATE LIARS!  I HATE SATAN for using RELIGION to LOSE SOULS! 

            Oh, as far as "finances" are concerned (the least of matters), do you think after 43 years of marriage we didn't plan for latter years?  What FOOL wouldn't?  We're not rich, but we don't lack!  We own 10 acres in Arkansas in addition to other properties and I'm working on my husband to "get back to basics" by moving to the country growing our own food and raising our own stock!  He's not loving the idea but I'm praying because who knows what the Trump administration will bring!   

            Blessings

            1. TessSchlesinger profile image91
              TessSchlesingerposted 3 months ago in reply to this

              You poor soul. I'm truly sorry for you being so misguided. I can see from what you have written that you really are sincere.

              I don't believe anyone on hubpages has ever been converted to Jesus Christ. Good luck to you. I'm outa here.

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                Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                The sad part about is that your statement "I don't believe anyone on hubpages has ever been converted to Jesus Christ" is TRUE!  MOST didn't realize Jesus' LAST commandment was to "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for HIS "help" PROMISED in John 14:26 and 16:13 and just "took off" like a man dragging a cow by his tail across the field saying "I got this!" HA!

                "Poor soul?"  I know "you already know," but let me REMIND you of what Hebrews 6:10 says "For GOD is not unrighteous to forget your work and labor of love, which ye have shewed toward HIS name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister."  Therefore, I don't need anyone's "luck" for I have a WORD from GOD!  However, "good luck" to you since you don't BELIEVE for that's all you have - "LUCK"

                Blessings

                1. TessSchlesinger profile image91
                  TessSchlesingerposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                  You really don't get it, do you? We've all heard this bs before. I first joined hp 6 or so years ago, and then left and came back 2 years ago. I left because of the Christian and political trolling. I hated it.

                  I truly do not want to hear this bs. You're either deluded or mentally ill. Normal, well adjusted people don't go on the way you do.

                  I have absolutely no idea why you think you should impose your rants on the rest of us, but it is annoying, and it is ugly.

                  Goodbye.

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                    Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                    You mean someone else have told you MUST be "anointed with the Holy Spirit" BEFORE you become "IN" Christ or a "Christian?"  They told you you had to do as THE FIRST CHURCH did on the Day of Pentecost?  They told you have to let "FIRE set upon you" (Acts 2:2-3)?  They told you you had to "appear as drunken men" (Acts 2:13)?  They told you AFTERWARD you would receive "POWER" (Acts 1:9)?  They told you had to "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) to be "chosen" (Acts 1:2)?  They told you GOD would speak DIRECTLY to you (Jeremiah 31:33-34; Acts 1:2)?  They told you ALL of this Tess?  That's a "cop-out" LIE!  Because if they knew they would've presented EVIDENCE showing the FACT there is a GOD and you wouldn't be where you are today! 

                    Just say "I don't give a D***" which would be more TRUTH than what you're stating! 

                    You're "ugly!"  JUST MORE "LIES!"

                    Blessings


                    I know "you already know" but Hebrews 4:12 says the WORD of GOD "cuts" when it contradicts one's lifestyle!  They become "hard hearted" when they wish to remain in their unrighteousness!  What other reaction should you present?  WORD is TRUE! 

                    Good "Luck!"

                    Blessings

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                    PhoenixVposted 3 months ago in reply to this
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            PhoenixVposted 3 months ago in reply to this
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        colorfuloneposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        You could actually be a pretty good author, publish books and earn some extra income with a little more inspiration.  I enjoyed reading your post, Tess.  You have talent there and could really develop that to a whole new level. There is a lot of attention on the North Pole (and South Pole) these days, maybe not so much about Father Christmas...but you could bring that back and make it great again!   

        I don't 'rant'.   smile   
        That is your personal perceptions because of your learned environments and your own reactions. 

        I'm very much at peace...peace to you!  (Yin-Yang)
        MAGA

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          Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

          "To the law and to the testimony:  if they speak not according to THIS WORD (aka "Father Christmas"), it is because there is NO LIGHT in them."

          Why do you promote "propaganda?"

          "As the world turns!"

          We continue to long for propaganda and anything that "tickles our ears" don't we?  Anything BUT the "ranting" of GOD!

          Your "peace" certainly is of "YIN-YANG" and "MEGA!"

          1. colorfulone profile image89
            colorfuloneposted 3 months ago in reply to this

            I was speaking to Tess.

            I love the meat of the Word.

            Enoch was the most enigmatic. The Hebrew traditions teach that he was taken to heaven when he was 365 years old, and shown all the secrets and all wonders of the universe, and was told to put them in books (not just the Bible) and bring them to the sons of men.   --  The Book of Enoch, The Book of Giants, the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Rosetta Stone, etc.

            Why people cannot understand this history is because of a convoluted camouflage of the truth in order to deceive mankind. So, when the antichrist comes on the scene...it was effective when he showed up and corrupted humanity, now, they don't have to do that sexually like before the days of the flood (Genesis 6) and after the days of the flood. They're doing it now genetically through genetic altering and mutation.  Today they don't have to do it through the fallen angels, (aliens), the extra-dimensionals, ...who come to deceive the world, and to repeat history. 

            So much so, that Jesus said, 'that if the days were not shortened for the elites sake, there would be no flesh left alive.' 

            Do you believe people in the forums can follow that?  Can you?
            God accepts us where we are so I believe we should do the same.

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              Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

              GOD DOES NOT "ACCEPT US WHERE WE ARE "IF" WE ARE IN "UNRIGHTEOUSNESS" believing WORD that has not been "rightly divided" (II Timothy 2:15)! 

              I don't care about Books being left out of the Bible because GOD has TOLD US *HE* would "lead and guide us into ALL (Did you hear "ALL?") TRUTH" (John 14:26; 16:13)!  People worry about the wrong things! 

              I keep telling ALL, if you didn't OBEY HIS "LAST" Commandment, you have NO CONNECTION TO GOD wherewith HE can "put HIS law in our hearts and minds" (Jeremiah 31:33; Hebrews 8:10; 10:16; Acts 1:2) and are NOTHING!

              "Do you believe people in the forums can follow THAT?  Can you?"

              Don't think GOD ACCEPTS ALL are Galatians 1:6-9 LIED!  (v9) "As we said BEFORE, so say I now AGAIN, IF ANY MAN preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL unto you than that ye have received [from Paul], LET HIM BE ACCURSED!" 

              AGAIN:  "Do you believe people in the forums can follow that?  Can you?"

              Blessings

        2. TessSchlesinger profile image91
          TessSchlesingerposted 3 months ago in reply to this

          Thank you. Colourful one. smile smile Much appreciated.
          Yes I've always been told I am a talented writer. Not very good at earning income through it, though. I find that very tough.

          http://bestebookstories.blogspot.co.za/ … words.html

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            colorfuloneposted 3 months ago in reply to this

            For cool!  Thank you for sharing that link, Tessa.  Keep on keeping on, I hope it will become more profitable for you in 2017.

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              Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

              P-R-O-P-A-G-A-N-D-A!

              Isaiah 8:20!

  23. nehaarora3008 profile image60
    nehaarora3008posted 3 months ago

    I'm so glad you asked me why I hate god? I don't, but it does give me permission to ask what your real issues are. What are they? Did you lose a boyfriend? Don't you have any friends?

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      NeNe:  I am a happily married woman of 43 years!  We are one and know each other so well I know what he's thinking before he opens his mouth! 

      I went out last night with my best friend in celebration of her birthday which was on December 29th!   I took her out to eat and we shopped to buy what she needed!  I give!  I love!

      I really have a FULL life!  The wife of a retired barber and have obtained many friends through his employment!  He's now the Commander of an American Legion and AMVETS Post (Lord I hate those "banquets!")!  Am retired from the Federal government so have many friends after 25 years of Federal service.  Am a real estate agent and have acquired many friends through that occupation.  Not to mention how I've acquired friends from total strangers by telling them about JESUS in daily life and you should know by now "I've never met a stranger!" 

      Girl, I would describe myself as a "butterfly for the LORD" fluttering around telling ALL about JESUS!  I love my life! 

      Not to mention my children!  WOW!   Great kids!  They KNOW the LORD!  Two of the 4 are now working on a non-profit organization called A.M.E.N.

      I'm so BLESSED with family and friends but they're NOTHING in comparison to the CONNECTION to GOD! 

      Blessings

  24. PhoenixV profile image79
    PhoenixVposted 3 months ago

    Happy trails to you, until we meet again.
    Happy trails to you, keep smilin' until then.
    Who cares about the clouds when we're together?
    Just sing a song and bring the sunny weather.
    Happy trails to you, 'till we meet again.

    Some trails are happy ones,
    Others are blue.
    It's the way you ride the trail that counts,
    Here's a happy one for you.

    Happy trails to you, until we meet again.
    Happy trails to you, keep smilin' until then.
    Who cares about the clouds when we're together?
    Just sing a song and bring the sunny weather.

    Happy trails to you, 'till we meet again.


    Happy trails to you, it's great to say "hello".
    And to share with you the trail we've come to know.
    It started on the day that we met Jesus,
    He came into our hearts and then he freed us.
    For a life that's true, a happy trail to you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwYcsMiB2UM


    I wish all those hollywood liberals a safe journey big_smile

  25. PhoenixV profile image79
    PhoenixVposted 3 months ago

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SpAQ_XWwY4g/TqIXAkmKvhI/AAAAAAAAMTg/81b4GHDvmJU/s1600/SoundOfMusic_189Pyxurz.jpg

    There's a sad sort of clanging from the clock in the hall
    And the bells in the steeple too
    And up in the nursery an absurd little bird
    Is popping out to say, "Cuckoo"
    Cuckoo, cuckoo
    Regretfully they tell us cuckoo, cuckoo
    But firmly they compel us
    To say, "Goodbye", to you

    So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, good night
    I hate to go and leave this pretty sight

    So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, adieu
    Adieu, adieu, to you and you and you

    So long, farewell, au revoir, auf wiedersehen


    I'd like to stay and taste my first champagne

    So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, goodbye
    I leave and heave a sigh and say "Goodbye", goodbye

    I'm glad to go, I cannot tell a lie
    I flit, I float, I fleetly flee, I fly

    The sun has gone to bed and so must I
    So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, goodbye
    Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye
    Goodbye!

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      Norine Williamsposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      Subtle are we "Phoenix?"

      Yes - Christ IS "gone" from America but

      "NOT FORGOTTEN!"

      "And the FIRST shall be the LAST!"

      Scripture WILL BE "fulfilled!"

 
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