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Would Donald Trump have beaten Bernie Sanders in a general election?

  1. Stevennix2001 profile image83
    Stevennix2001posted 3 weeks ago

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I think he never would've stood a chance against Bernie.  No offense to Trump, but if he's not insulting someone on stage during a debate, then he's practically useless because he rarely ever goes over his policies during debates.  That alone would've killed him against Bernie, who's too smart to get into a mudslinging contest on stage, as he just sticks to the issues.  Also even if Trump would've lost a debate or two, he wouldn't be able to cry like a baby on social media saying how the establishment wants Bernie to win because Bernie is anti establishment too.  Can't do that with Bernie.  Plus, Bernie has a squeaky clean record, so Trump wouldn't be able to touch him outside of calling him a socialist, which doesn't matter because Bernie admits that anyway.  I think the moral of the story here is that the democrats picked the wrong candidate.  They should've went with Bernie, and now they're reaping what they sown.  Tell me I'm wrong in the comment section if you prefer, but i don't think i am...

    1. Credence2 profile image87
      Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      I agree with your assessment, Bernie was a candidate with nothing near the baggage Ms. Clinton was lugging around. And, as Michael Moore said, exciting candidates do better. We could have maintained the democratic base with excitement generated among millenials and those did not want to compromise with Wall Street and the Big Banks. She thumbed her nose at the Sandernistas  by selecting a milquetoast, who had the approval of Wall Street as an enabler. She should have nodded to our side by bringing in a no nonsense crusader like Liz Warren as her running mate. She was afraid of two women on the ticket that would have sent a stronger message on behalf of Dem constituency, inviting support. She played it safe and cowtowed to the wrong crowd and subsequently, lost. This culture has a problem with a female head of state when every other developed society has no issue. Subconsciously, I think that Ms. Clinton was playing to those fears trying to appeal to a group that was unlikely to truly support her. But, I don't know, why were so many GOP luminaries persuaded to vote for her over their party standard bearer? She much represented the status quo far too much rather than seek the change many were looking for, and for this reason she lost.

    2. ahorseback profile image50
      ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Democrats allowed , apparently because of apathy , the altering and subjugation of their electoral process by the DNC for the favoritism of the intellectual elite !  In other words ,your DNC was crooked ! And your other candidate of course not properly vetted.     I am only happy that the two of them are now" too old , too rich and too white" to apparently ever compete again for office..

  2. Live to Learn profile image80
    Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago

    Bernie came across as sincere, honest and trustworthy. He'd have walked the dog on Trump. I liked him and couldn't see a snowball's chance of any of his ideas coming to fruition in Congress so I thought he was a much safer bet than Hillary. I'd have voted for him. Probably. It would have been my first vote for a democratic presidential nominee but 'anyone other than Trump' might have been an acceptable slogan had Hillary not been the alternative.

  3. Marisa Wright profile image92
    Marisa Wrightposted 3 weeks ago

    I think he would've had a much better chance.

    If you talked to a Trump supporter and pointed out Trump's megalomania, dishonesty, sleaziness and narcissism, their reply was generally, "Yes but Hilary's worse!"

    If he'd been up against Bernie, that argument wouldn't have held water, and maybe they'd have looked at Trump's character a little more closely.  However maybe not - looks like Trump's own assessment back in 1998 was right.


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    1. Live to Learn profile image80
      Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Snopes concludes Trump didn't say that. I suppose sour grapes are easier to swallow when washed down with a lie.

      1. Marisa Wright profile image92
        Marisa Wrightposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        I stand corrected.

        It's not sour grapes.  People in Australia aren't p***ed off because they liked Hilary, most didn't give two hoots about her. The most common emotion being expressed on Facebook by Australians and New Zealanders right now is fear. 

        Outside America, the discussion isn't usually about Trump vs Clinton, it's about Trump's personality.  Many people feel the US has just appointed a President whose mental instability makes him a danger to the world.

        This is a man who can't take the slightest criticism.  When he doesn't get his own way, he's vindictive (witness the poor old lady with no water in my hometown.  He's got his golf course, it's all built, why is he still persecuting her?  Because he can't get over it).

        How will he react when some little country tries to stand up to the great US of A?   Will he negotiate or will he just press the button and start World War 3? 

        I know that all sounds alarmist, but comparisons with Hitler are chillingly close.  They said many of the same things in their election campaigns, after all.  And everyone thought Hitler was harmless until ...

        I just hope Wilderness is right, and the Republicans will be able to keep him under control. 

        http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc … mp/480771/

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-be … 18128.html

        1. Live to Learn profile image80
          Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          The large majority who voted for this man voted for reasons so far removed from your fears that I can assure you a Hitler scenario is not possible and I find it odd that with everything Hillary has said anyone could believe Trump is a closer step to war than she would have been.

          Yes, the guy opens mouth and inserts foot quite easily and he appears to be thin skinned but he is not devious. His flaws are on his shirtsleeve for all to see. Hillary was much more machiavellian

          1. Marisa Wright profile image92
            Marisa Wrightposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Whether he was worse than or better than Hilary is completely beside the point now.  What matters is, what is he really like and how will his character affect his Presidency?    It seems to me that the American public are determined to play down his flaws while the outside world is deeply suspicious of them.  All we can do now is wait and see, let's hope it's not at our cost.

            I'm just letting you know how the world outside America is seeing it.

            Having grown up in the UK and lived in Africa and Australasia, I am seeing reactions from friends and commentators in all those places right now and I'm afraid that Trump will have a long way to go, if he wants to "make America great again".   The result of his election is that most of the rest of the world (apart from Russia of course) thinks the American people are either insane or uncivilized, because you've elected a leader who is either a laughable buffoon or the most dangerous world leader since Hitler.   

            I'm sure you don't agree, I'm just letting you know what people think outside the cocoon that is the USA.

            1. Live to Learn profile image80
              Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              No offense but I don't much care what you guys think. You don't appear to understand what is at stake here. This election represents a backlash against the power of Washington by those in America who stand the most to lose by not standing up. It has nothing to do with you, England, Africa or any other nation. I certainly hope that this election has made the statement strongly enough that the change we demand will begin. I believe if it doesn't we will go even further to force it. Trump was a tool. Making America great again has nothing to do with anyone outside of our borders. Your European history of creating world wars is not ours. Those words do not carry the stigma it deservedly has to Europeans.

              Your eyes may be on us but ours aren't on you. We have been neglected too long by politicians bought and paid for by corporations who have lost sight of their obligation to serve the people.

              1. ahorseback profile image50
                ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                Perfectly Stated  Fact !

              2. Stevennix2001 profile image83
                Stevennix2001posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                While I understand the sentiments, I think we should care a bit more about how this is going to affect us in other countries than you might think.  While I'm sure Trump isn't going to deliver on all his promises (i.e. the Mexicans building a wall is never going to happen), I do think we should be concerned though.  For starters, he already said he thinks the Iranian deal was terrible, and has said many times he plans to redo it.  Do you not think that's not a cause for concern?  Take in mind, these people hate our guts.  In fact, after that treaty was signed, I believe it was CNN that showed a video of a bunch of Iranian officials chanting, "Death to America", which they claim was really them saying "Death to American Polices", even though what they were saying directly translates to just being "Death to America."  You do realize these are very tempormental people that could get easily pissed off if Trump aggravates the same way he did with the GOP candidates.  Not saying Trump needs to suck up to them, but he lacks the tactfulness to deal with them.

                Also he briefly mentioned once in an interview how he intends to renegotiate things with all countries by making them pay for the US' military services.  That sounds practical in theory, but here's the thing.  In Saudia Arabia for instance, they already pay us by investing in the US dollar.  Plus, Bernie even pointed out that the Saudi government has one of the largest armies in the world, so they really don't even need us.  If Trump plays hard ball with them, then what's to stop them from saying, "F**k you President Trump." 

                The fact of the matter is a lot of countries invest in the US dollar.  It's one of the main reasons why we're such a huge economic super power.  If Trump screws up the economy,then we're not just talking about a recession here, but we're possibly looking at a global recession because of how much some countries rely on us with trades. 

                Plus, he wants to renegotiate our deal with China?  Why?   China is arguably one of the biggest trade markets for us.  Hell, did you know that outside of the US that China is the second biggest market for movies in the world?  I'm not kidding either, as you can look that up for yourself.  In fact, even though both "Terminator:   Genisys" and "Warcraft" bombed here in the states, they were HUGE box office hits in China, which prompted some talking about a sequel to both of them possibly because of China's box office returns.  You really want to disrupt that? 

                Also, remember Kim Jong Un?  Remember how easily he got pissed off over something as stupid as a movie called "The Interview" that mocked him?  Remember how he said he was going to consider it a declaration of war?  And take in mind that was only over a movie.  Imagine what he'll say if he meets Trump face to face.  He'll probably want to murder every American person in this country over it. 

                Plus, what about the environment?  The democrats and liberals have been working for years with other countries to help reduce pollution within the next few decades.  In fact, some scientists are even saying that unless we do something about the environment...NOW...then we could be looking at a very dark future for our children's children for generations to come, and natural disasters like we saw with that one hurricane we had recently will only be the beginning if pollution rises in this country. 

                However, if you read in between the lines of what Trump was saying in his second debate with Hilary, he feels that the environmentalists have gotten in the way of jobs, which indirectly means he's going to undo all the things Obama and other politicians have done to help save the Earth.  I'm telling you right now the man is an idiot that's gong to screw us over in the long run.  In fact, the only real positive out of all of this is that we're less likely to go to war with Russia considering Vladamir Putin did give Trump an endorsement earlier this year, so there's that.  However, I'm just going to wait and see. I hope Trump proves me wrong, and becomes the president that we need right now.  however, only time will tell.

                On a different note though, I wish I could be a fly on the wall when Obama welcomes Trump and his family to the white house, as you know that's going to be one helluva an awkward meeting.

                1. Live to Learn profile image80
                  Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Giving Trump the benefit of the doubt here (as I would have had Hillary won)

                  I do care about our relationships with other countries. Fair and balanced relationships. The wall is an ignorant idea, imo. They'll just extend the tunnels and buy more boats. We cannot stop the influx of people from the south as long as their only hope for what they consider to be decent wages.

                  I agree with him that the Iranian deal, from what I understand of it was a very bad one. However, he has repeatedly stated that he is not yet privy to every bit of information. I have full faith that with full understanding, a good team to help him kick it around and attempt to find out where it was not in our interests and where it was that if he chooses to renegotiate it will address these things. And, quite frankly, any country whose national policy is clearly geared toward the annihilation of another nation state should be pandered to. In any way. They have been pissed off at us for years. Nothing we are going to do will change their sentiments. They may dislike American policy but their policy is the antithesis to any western ideal of decency. So, sure we need to expect him to be tactful but I expect his policies to reflect American ideals.
                  Nothing more.

                  And, do not forget. Any deal he hopes to make will have to pass Congress to be implemented.

                  As to expecting countries to pay for military services rendered at their request. It is practical in theory. There is nothing wrong with asking it. And, again, he has made it clear that he is not yet privy to all information. Perhaps, after being briefed, he will see that it is in our collective best interest to back off of that. I don't know.

                  Trump has more to lose in screwing up the economy than most politicians. I believe he will think long and spend much time speaking with advisors prior to any move which might do that. He's a guy who already runs a business which stretches across the world.

                  Our relationship with China is currently not the best. I would think attempting to renegotiate with them would be less inflammatory than if he took up Clinton's call to surround them with an anti missile defense system. As to box office returns for movies....I don't know that I think protecting the movie industry should drive U.S. policy.

                  I think Kim Jong Un already fantasizes about murdering us. Imagining that meeting Trump face to face could make thinks worse is kind of like saying if someone is chanting 'death to America' could be made worse by the fact that they met me, and I asked them to stop.

                  I am concerned about the environment. I do not support fracking and I know he is pro. But, your comment that some scientists are saying if we don't do something now we could see a dark future...I am under the impression we have passed the tipping point. We have no control over what any other country does. Third world nations are not going to drastically change anything, out of concern for the environment. We have to work toward developing technology to counter balance and correct. That, in my opinion, is our only option.

                  But, as you said. We can only wait and see. And hope for the best.

                  1. Stevennix2001 profile image83
                    Stevennix2001posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Under the current Paris Accords, most of the main super powers on this planet have come to a mutual agreement to lessen their usage gradually of fossil fuels over the next few decades, in order to save the environment.   If Trump pulls us out of that deal, then what's to stop other countries from doing it too; hence ruining any chance we may have had at saving the planet before it's too late.

                    Granted, I see you're point in thinking that we may be too late in saving this planet, but don't you think if there's even tiniest chance we can reverse the effects of global warming within the next decade or so, then don't you think we should take that chance?  Seriously, what would we have to lose?  But Trump isn't going to see it that way, as he even said he sees many of the environmental regulations as getting in the way of creating jobs, so you can kiss that hope goodbye right there.

                    I think you make a lot of valid points, but I'm still iffy about Trump.  Granted, with him as president, I feel safe knowing we won't have a war with Russia like I feared would've happened with Hilary, but still.  I don't see this ending well for Trump. I hope he proves me wrong, but we'll see.

              3. Marisa Wright profile image92
                Marisa Wrightposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                Haven't you ever noticed, when someone says "no offence", it's code for "I'm about to offend you but that's OK because I've said no offence"?   It doesn't work.

                Yes, I know the average America doesn't care what the rest of the world thinks.  In fact I'm always astonished, when I meet Americans - even highly intelligent Americans - how little they know about the rest of the world.  Americans are sadly insular.  That's why so many of them think America is the greatest country in the world when it patently hasn't been for a very long time - they have no idea how the world has evolved everywhere else.

                So I can quite understand that you are too self-centered to care what mayhem your new leader wreaks on other countries. Just remember that other countries may bite back.

                But as others have said, it's too late now, it's done. I just want the dubious satisfaction of being able to refer back to this post in a couple of years and saying "I told you so".

        2. mrpopo profile image89
          mrpopoposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          People should ease-up on Godwin's law. Trump's not the first politician to be compared to Hitler, and he won't be the last: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ … ons-213711

      2. PhoenixV profile image79
        PhoenixVposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Nice quote. Maybe I could use it? Please remind me to never cross you.  I dont understand your support for Sanders. He endorsed hillary, how do you reconcile that?

    2. Onusonus profile image87
      Onusonusposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

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      1. mrpopo profile image89
        mrpopoposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        lol

        1. Castlepaloma profile image21
          Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Trump created a cluster F__k of lies to get media attention. Then to blow up such incredible fairytales for shock value and create more attention.

          Reagan, no matter if they are talking good about you or bad about you, as long as they are talking about you.

          Greatest dupe by an individual.

          1. Onusonus profile image87
            Onusonusposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Actually the media caused the biggest cluster of lies. But thankfully outlets like the New York Times has admitted to their deception and vowed to report on the truth. Just in time for a Republican president to take over. What a coincidence... roll
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            1. Castlepaloma profile image21
              Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              Trump is a megalomaniac that is a Hitler mental illness. Screaming me me's, the Sun evolve around Trump, you get over one scam then he is onto another, then another.

              I know all syndrome and systems of a megalomaniac because I married one, most negative person I ever knew.

              He played the media, his Republicans, the white voters all like a fiddle. What you will fine with a dictator in the long run. Is he is mentality sharp yet lacks a great deal of moral an ethical virtues.

              1. Onusonus profile image87
                Onusonusposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                You are living in a fantasy world. Hillary had the media in her pocket the entire time, and they have already admitted to it. One thing that Hitler had was control over the media and no president has come as close to that kind of personality cultism as Obama.
                I assure you Trump will never get the kind of fawning, drooling, slobbering, media adoration that Obama did, and God willing a United States president never will again.
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                1. Castlepaloma profile image21
                  Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  I take no stake in political matters, only record the freak show. Sometimes I need to be a little liberal like, and sometime a little conservative.
                  To label an entire soul of a human as one or the other is silly to me. Dealing with Trump personally and knowing many other politicians as megalomaniacs , Trump is the most extreme.

                  Even all these people crying and rioting on both side are so delusion because the Corporatism and banker keep laughing as your too busy fighting each other. Banker keep walking away with your money and over power your lives and play the shell game and puppets string of all the players.

                  Few people know the media and entertainment as well as Trump. His strategy just like your poster in 1988 played out perfectly like stacking the deck with angry people who hate the system. They voted with their emotions not their foresight . People were blinded to more contradiction and false promises by Trump more than anyone who ever appeared on worldwide multi media in history.

      2. colorfulone profile image89
        colorfuloneposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        smile

  4. Onusonus profile image87
    Onusonusposted 3 weeks ago

    Bernie would have beaten Trump without question. This country is ripe with a slew of brainwashed liberal socialist morons. However thanks to the immense corruption that your duly elected liberal super delegates are swimming in, you got the Wicked Witch of the West as your front runner. 

    To all the liberal crybabies out there flopping and twitching, rioting, protesting, and hiding in their safe spaces. Remember this one?
    https://pab58.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/1-bumper-sticker-he-won.jpg

    1. Castlepaloma profile image21
      Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Your right, they are both wicket witches, the orange one is witch bitch.

      1. Onusonus profile image87
        Onusonusposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        The true "bitches" are the ones crying and whining, and protesting. I'd say let Canada and Mexico welcome you with open arms but even they know how worthless a liberal crybaby is to society.

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        1. Aime F profile image83
          Aime Fposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Those are pretty strong words.  I don't believe anyone is worthless because of their political affiliation or whether or not they protest.  As a Canadian I welcome the "liberal crybabies."

          1. Castlepaloma profile image21
            Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Thank goodness, I'm happy to being an environmental organisms first. A political voter is not on my list of 10 top important things.

            Although my radar for nuclear and BS detector activity says this a bad time to be living the Northern hemisphere. US can have all of Canada as far as I care, they going to take the whole country anyways, when the US dollar crashes.

            1. Live to Learn profile image80
              Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              When the dollar crashes we are going to invade Canada? Annex it? What? I'm not certain I see how one would cause the other.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image21
                Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                Many have dumped their US dollar, when half the world dumps US dollar soon. All hell breaks loose.
                Because US owns most of Canada, they will just take it.

                Russia and China vs US are having little secret wars right now.

                1. ahorseback profile image50
                  ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  And the good guys , America , will win !

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image21
                    Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    The vas majority of the world would not see it that way. Along with Israel, America is their bitch and karma awaits.

          2. Onusonus profile image87
            Onusonusposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Good, keep them. Our economy will thrive without a bunch of job killing social justice warriors and climate alarmists around.

            It's kind of ironic that liberals act like he's going to kill all the gays, legalize slavery, and abolish woman's rights. Like he's a Muslim or something.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image21
              Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              The general American public are too wise now, to abolish women rights, kill gays or legalized slavery, yet the Corporate US/ Government will do every corrupted thing possible to under mine these Constitution rights.

              The Government make out like these are privleges given by the state , not rights.  They undermine and spy on everyone for power of control rather than give the freedom and power for the people to advance humanity.

              Killing in Muslim countries a 1000 to 1 would not make Muslims the terrorist. Most Muslims did not ask for US democracy or policing which is a huge lie and living lie. Gays are illegal in 80 countries as much as in Christians countries as in Muslims countries.

              America enforce Marijuana in almost every country except Uruguay. In general slavery is bigger now worldwide than in any other time in history, it is just disguise better.
              There is about 20 other countries freer than the US and even many more happier.
              Try to learn from them

  5. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 weeks ago

    Boo for abuse of freedom of speech.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati … /93633154/

 
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