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Dangerous Liberals

  1. Live to Learn profile image82
    Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago

    I want everyone to remember that when Obama took office with a far left agenda there were no riots. No state talked secession. It was a disappointment to the right but they didn't act like this.

    I find the behavior of the left anti democratic, and anti freedom. They should be ashamed of themselves.

    1. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      +1,000,000,000,000,000- it is the MORE EXTREME Liberals, even Leftists.  I am a Liberal & I am totally appalled by the immature, destructive behavior of the rioters.  It shows how far American society has disintegrated.  If one doesn't get one's way, one can riot instead of realizing that sometimes things don't go his/her way.   

      This is the 1960s multiplied.   Let me add that IT IS not only the MORE EXTREME Liberals, even Leftists but RADICALIZED Liberals.  Liberals have  "evolved" into a more extreme, revolutionary, even radical branch.  What is Liberal today, I call Leftist in ideology.  I am a Liberal but I am NOT A LEFTIST.  However, I took an ideology test which identified me as a Centrist. 

      I haven't seen such as I have seen in this tumultuous election.  There were Liberals who cried when Hillary lost.  They whined like 2 year olds.  Now, there is rioting.  There is a faction of the Liberal population that need to put on their adult pants. It is shameful behavior really & I as a Liberal am telling it LIKE IT IS.  I spare no quarter whether it is Liberal or Conservative.  If you're wrong, you're wrong regardless of ideology.

    2. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      You are right, except about the no state talked of secession.  Texas did.  However, Obama did not do this:

      Sling insults to entire groups of people based on their color, gender, physical appearance, and religion
      Brag about grabbing pussy and kissing women without their permission
      Promise to throw his opponent in jail
      Tell his supporters he would pay their legal fees if they get arrested for violence
      Claim that if he lost it was because the election is rigged
      Spend a week slamming a Gold Star family
      Ask Americans to watch a porn video

      Shall I go on?  This election is like no other, so the reaction is going to be like no other.  I do not support or defend violent protests, but I also will not support or defend the hateful candidate whose ugly rhetoric and behavior only served to inflame the emotions of the citizens he is supposed to lead.

      1. ahorseback profile image46
        ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Got to learn to look beyond the superficial meaning of political rhetoric , Trump talked about  fantasy sexual prowess in a locker room , The Clintons together ,  owned  the very existence of sexual harassment !  Together . All of the  "rigged election "  is OWNED by your left !   You "Gold Star Family " entered into a political  election  circus , by Clinton invitation . .

        What's your problem , Can you spell ,    S-o-r-e L-o-s-e-r-?

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Nope, I'm not a sore loser. Trump won fair and square. You, however, were claiming a rigged election if Trump lost.

          Just holding you all accountable for your choice.

          1. Live to Learn profile image82
            Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Since we don't have to look forward to 4 years of a lying, cheating thief who has no respect for the law (as concerns her actions) I'd say we got the better or the two options we were presented with.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              Yes, as I have been saying, you voted your conscience, which means your heart is right there with the guy who bragged about grabbing pussy and vindictively insulted the parents of a fallen soldier for an entire week. I understand you thought Hillary was worse than that.

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                Does that mean that your heart is right there with a thief that puts herself above the law, that grossly abuses political power to punish her enemies or reward her friends and was a part of subverting her own party politics to gain an advantage?  Is that where your heart is, supporting and cheering those things?

                Or did your conscience keep you home that fateful day, pretending that voting really isn't a part of your duty as an American?

                1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                  PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  In this election, that's exactly what it means. I take full responsibility for my vote. Apparently, that's too much to ask of certain Trump voters.

                  1. wilderness profile image96
                    wildernessposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    I'm glad you're not my neighbor.  Anyone openly condoning and supporting theft is not someone I need to be around, and neither is anyone declaring themselves above the law.

                    Do you think all Clinton voters are like that?  Supporting theft and calling for abuse of political power?

              2. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
                Kathryn L Hillposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                MUCH WORSE

      2. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        By that post you are supporting the protests. I hold you in the same regard I hold them

        But, I stand corrected if Texas threatened succession. How childish.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          "I do not support or defend violent protests...."

          Did you miss that part?

          1. Live to Learn profile image82
            Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            No, but you did say I also will not support or defend the hateful candidate whose ugly rhetoric and behavior only served to inflame the emotions of the citizens he is supposed to lead. which only appears to rationalize that they had reason to riot.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              No, I am not defending rioting. I am pointing out that your leader-elect is like no other before him in his extraordinary level of inflammatory rhetoric.

      3. Credence2 profile image87
        Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Or attack the decorum of Obama's kids, and his wife, Michelle. Trumps First Lady is a playboy centerfold, a graduate of Trump University, Magnum Cum lotta, shipped to her sugar daddy via UPS and hardly fluent in the ENGLISH language. But in spite of all this, the conservatives savaged Michelle as an accomplished individual in her own right. Trump's strum pet is supposed to be a role model for so many and in the rightwingers endless moral hypocrisy and indignation, not a word is said about the glaring contradiction.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Yep. They didn't like Michelle's bare arms but Melania's nude modeling is just fine.

          1. Live to Learn profile image82
            Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Careful there PP. Your desire to be defined as intellectual elite gets more and more difficult to imagine with every new post.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              I did not define myself that way. Horsey and GA did. I merely accepted the label since it seems to pop up every time I correct horsey's factual error or use the term "uneducated white voter" within reading distance of GA.. wink

              1. Live to Learn profile image82
                Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                OK, well as long as we both understand you aren't.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                  PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Lol, good one! And we understand you voted FOR Trump and everything he said and did.

                  Glad we finally understand each other.

                  1. Live to Learn profile image82
                    Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Honestly? Foot in mouth is better than hand in till. To me.

              2. GA Anderson profile image86
                GA Andersonposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                Ha! You didn't think I was close enough to hear that did you!

                Luckily, I just got new batteries, and no, I did not accuse you of being  an "intellectual elite." And technically, I didn't even accuse you of being snotty... I mean technically I didn't. (*plausible deniability)

                ["Snotty" Permalink]
                "... PrettyPanther, if I describe your response as unflatteringly haughty and condescending would you more likely peg me as college educated than if I described it as snotty BS that shows you need to be taken down a notch or two, "cause you ain't so much better than me!"?

                ...and, Ha! Ha!, (that's a double-Ha!), I think my most recent notice of a response of yours to ahorseback contradicts what you think I think of your interactions with "horsey."

                GA

                1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                  PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Have I ever told you I love you? Not literally, of course, but in an internet-forum-debate-lovin'-romance kind of way? ;-)

      4. Jean Bakula profile image96
        Jean Bakulaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        +1

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Porn industry is bigger than Hollywood. No wonder America sex education is screw up.
          I tried porn for a short while,  when dating was not going well. Wake up with jacker cramp then could not operate other hand tools very well.
          I did it until I needed glasses.

    3. Credence2 profile image87
      Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      You haven't done your homework, Texas is a prime example of a state that was discussing secession with Gov. Perry leading the charge within the last 3 to 4 years after Obama was reelected.

      Since you seem to have a far right orientation, everything a center left politician does is far left for you.

      As far as I am concerned the right has been so nasty over the last eight years, from questioning the President's eligibility to any number of stupid conspiracy theories and such.

      But, again, that is just MY opinion on the matter.

      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        A poor guess. Strangely, every quiz I take puts me in the liberal category. I think my main problem is that liberals appear to have no moral compass. Yes, I know that seems a strange statement for someone who voted for Trump but holier than thou hypocrisy on top of it pushed me away.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Just a point and I will do my best to say it nicely. Do you think you would get a better response to your thoughts if you said "some liberals" instead of "liberals"? Do you think your kumbaya post on another thread mght be better received by those you are imploring to "view our fellow citizens with anything other than contempt" if you hadn't already started another thread entitled "Dangerous Liberals"? This is a sincere question.

          1. Live to Learn profile image82
            Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Sincerely, that comment on liberals lacking a moral compass applies to liberal politicians. Not people in general.

            And, of course, if you aren't participating with or supporting those who are/were damaging property in a tirade that their candidate didn't win I would think you don't fall into the category of 'dangerous liberal'. Since the OP clarified who the dangerous liberals were I'm surprised you felt the need to include that in your query.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              Then I suggest your comments might be better received if you were more precise.

              If I stated conservatives are stupid, wouldnt you feel I was denigrating all conservatives, even if I then went on to talk about those who believe Obama was born in Kenya?

              1. Live to Learn profile image82
                Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                For sure. Just like when you commented that Trump voters were 'uneducated'. Implying that all of us might not have graduated third grade.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                  PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Did I actually say that? I don't think so.

                  1. Live to Learn profile image82
                    Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Did I say you said that? You may have. I don't know. There were so many catty little posts attempting to degrade both sides there for a few days. We are both cats so I might have gotten us confused with others.

            2. Credence2 profile image87
              Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              What is this about liberal's lacking a moral compass? In what way? You need to put some flesh on those bones. I would expect such a statement from Rush Limbaugh...

              1. Live to Learn profile image82
                Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                As it pertains to the average voter, look at the support Hillary enjoyed. We can all argue if the things she has done over the years warrant prosecution or incarceration but we cannot argue the acts.

                I'm all for forgiving people. Probably 30 percent of the people I employ have made mistakes grave enough to prohibit their employment by other area business owners. We all make mistakes but how we react to those mistakes is evidence of our character.

                I don't see liberal support of Hillary as 'forgiving' and giving a chance but complete disinterest in the concepts of fair play and ethical behavior. I have lost the ability to see them in a different light from the right. Before this election I couldn't have imagined a scenario where that could happen.

                1. Credence2 profile image87
                  Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  It has nothing to do with disinterest, we knew she had problems, it is that Trump is perceived as worse and it is more than having a loose lip. How much of the man is behind the words? You can't continue to say impolitic and hateful things without having that as a fundamental part of your character. Trying to separate the two does not really work as if they are independent of one another is disingenuous.

                  1. Live to Learn profile image82
                    Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    I would submit that both candidates displayed antisocial traits. One in words one in actions. Actions, to me, are more dangerous than words.

    4. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      I don't remember there being a spate of anti-white, sexist, Obama-related hate crimes when Obama was elected in 2008 and 2012, as there seems to be now after Trump being elected.

      Presumably you find that behaviour to be anti freedom too, and believe "the right" should be ashamed of themselves also?

      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Of course. I have no love of the uncivil behavior of the right.

        1. colorfulone profile image86
          colorfuloneposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          The extreme left needs to get locked up. 
          Anti-Trump Protesters Riot In Portland!
          * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WE_q1uw8G4

          They'll be keeping the lights on in the court rooms.

    5. colorfulone profile image86
      colorfuloneposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Several of the protesters and people who have rioted in the past year or so have admitted they were paid. That has been caught on videos and in emails.  They are running ads on Crag's List again for activities to protest.

      The ad reads
      "Washington CAN! is our state's oldest and largest Grassroots Non-Profit. We've been organizing and winning on the local and national level for over 35 years on issues such as Racial, Social, and Economic Justice, Health Care, Immigration Reform, Tax Fairness, and a Living Wage for all workers.

      We are looking for motivated individuals who are seeking Full-Time, Part-Time, and Permanent positions."
      http://www.hannity.com/articles/electio … -15288347/

      Trump is creating jobs.  lol

      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        If so they are jobs and those jobs are due to the presence of Trump. I guess the left can look at that as one of his promises being acted on.

    6. johnmariow profile image81
      johnmariowposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      I support the protesters because Trump has threatened to violate the first amendment of the US Constitution with his Muslim ban. 

      I find it annoying that Trump voters regard his campaign rhetoric as entertainment. I don't think mocking, denigrating and discriminating belong in campaign rhetoric. Trump has mocked, denigrated and discriminated against Mexicans, Blacks, Muslims, war veterans, the handicapped, the sick, etc. Trump insulted the Prince of Saudi Arabia. Trump vilified the Mexicans. This is not entertainment. This constitutes every thing our nation is not. It constitutes everything our founders did not want our nation to become.

      Freedom of speech, religion and the press are the fabric of our nation. Rhetoric about destroying or compromising these freedoms should never be tolerated and should never be regarded as entertainment.

      If Trump upholds and defends the Constitution; If Trump applies his genius to the politics of running our great nation; If Trump does not resort to mocking, denigrating and discriminating against those who oppose him; If Trump abides by all of the above in this paragraph he will be a great President.

      But if Trump persists in his mocking, denigrating and discriminating against those who oppose him; If Trump does not uphold the first amendment; If Trump resorts to mocking, denigrating and discriminating in his domestic efforts and his international efforts; If Trump does all this, he will be the worst President in the history of our nation. And I think he will be impeached.

    7. Misfit Chick profile image93
      Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      The reason why you didn't see these protests was because the majority of people weren't nearly as concerned about Obama having a 'hateful disposition' meant to intentionally stir up hard feelings among our DIVERSE population AND the entire world. Also, he had the 'book knowledge' and some political experience to do the job. We may have elected 'someone unusual'; but we didn't elect an irresponsible, hate-mongering, spiteful jerk. Obama & Hillary have both been quite gracious losers. The other side was threatening us with GUNS if they lost!! I suppose we should all be grateful.

      Hillary lost for three reasons:

      1) The electorial college vs popular vote. FYI, because the GOP won BUT didn't win the popular vote means that MOST people in this country did NOT vote for their policies. Thus, the protests.

      2) The majority of white Christian women for some reason obviously don't think the same way about things as other Christian women of other races. The same thing goes for men, but they have an easier time throwing the excuse of 'we're ANGRY' at the world.

      3) Comey's conveniently-timed, illegal stunt that was designed to remind people of Hillary's 'badness' over The Donald's at a critical juncture AT THE END of the race.

      This is why INDEPENDENTS (not 'liberals' or 'democrats') are ANGRY with the election results:

      1) You vote only the way Republicans and/or your Preachers TELL you to (Franklin Graham!) - like, KEEP voting FOR rich people because THEY have the money to let us work menial jobs beneath them so they can pay us peanuts; and their money can 'trickle down' to us humble folks. (Jesus doesn't want anyone to have any money anyway, right?)

      2) Vote FOR wars because we all know that whomever we are fighting are NOT Christians; and therefore we are 'on the side of God' when we go to war. Those heathens NEED to either accept JC as their savior and DO WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO - or DIE. Its unfortunate, but NOT OUR FAULT that they will go to hell.

      3) Vote FOR anyone who is Pro-Life in order to eliminate abortions in this country (no matter WHAT); because GOD is judging us for murdering babies. That's why our country is like it is; and in FACT, there is a verse in the WORD of GOD that SAYS a country will be judged for this crime! It AMAZES me how much they completely ignore trying to fix the REASONS WHY women choose abortion & attempting to fix them. It should also be noted that CHRISTIAN WOMEN are the ones who acquire the MOST abortions in this country (search for my hub question titled, Why do Christian women utilize the 'sin' of abortion the most). There are statistics.

      4) They are so damn scared of HELPING each other out through what they consider to be 'socialism' - its ridiculous! What a bunch of SELFISH, UNLOVING, HATEFUL brats. Sorry, LOVE is not a word that comes to mind.

      Jesus Christ was a Socialist:

      Matt 25: "For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

      Matthew 5 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others?"

      If you are a Christian and HATE me for saying any of this - do a heart check. I know, it doesn't usually help you because you're all always so damn RIGHT. But every once in a while it does WONDERS. I know, because I am someone who managed to realize how mind-controlling that religion IS and squirmed my way OUT. Christians have absolutely NO IDEA what it means to actually be FREE - although they sure believe they are. Its HARD to admit that the big eye controls YOU.

      Our deep divisions are as profitable as any war; and are very possibly perpetuated intentionally. It is always the SAME government in that office - just varying shades of who cares about the people who live here. The chasm that exists through both America & The World is a lot more simple than most people realize. SEARCH for - Christians & ex-Christians Prove God Exists by Debunking Salvation: Science & Spirituality Reveal the Real Jesus Christ

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      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Well, that is such a long rant you have there I don't know where to start. I will say that I'm not certain the reason you stated is actually the reason for the protest.  Tensions were high throughout the election. I think had Drumpf won the popular vote, by a wide margin, we would still be experiencing unrest. I'd be curious why you think men have an easier time saying 'I'm angry'. I've said it repeatedly and I'm not a guy.
        As to the white christian woman comment. I don't know. But, I think it may be a superficial assessment on your part. I would think that would mean that Christianity didn't play a major role in their decision? Which, is a good thing, I think.

        I don't think Comey's actions were illegal. I don't think anyone has said they were. I'm surprised you would say that. I was flabbergasted when he came forward and I did think it seemed very fishy. But, I do also believe he was in a 'damned if I do, damned if I don't position'. The current administration had already been accused of bias. Had it come out later, after the election, even if there was nothing to the emails it would have also looked bad.

        As to your list of reasons liberals are angry. I'm not a church goer and I don't listen to televangelists. I agree with you that Jesus was promoting a socialist lifestyle for his followers. I laugh at a lot of things Christians claim are 'right' according to God. But, the comment about voting in rich people. Seriously? What, exactly, is Hillary? She isn't one of us, I can tell you that. She admits that she is so far removed from us that she has difficulty understanding our concerns. So being upset that one rich person got elected, instead of another is a little silly.

        I am against war also. However, Obama has not only not extricated us from the region it appears to me that he has expanded our involvement. I didn't see anything in Hillary's rhetoric which led me to believe she was going to somehow bring about peace. Quite the opposite. So, a vote for Hillary didn't appear to be a vote for peace.

        I'm pro choice. I'll be honest. I don't think Drumpf gave a rat's behind about the subject until it came up in the election process. You noticed how he kept changing his stance? He didn't care and had never really thought about it. And, I don't think he will care as president. It's none of his business anyway. But, I will point out something that I wasn't aware of until this election cycle. We are, truly, divided as a country on this topic. It seems to me a no brainer to accept that you have no right to legislate what a woman does with her womb but it's a pretty even split as to who thinks what on abortion. So you and I are not a majority on that topic.

        As to helping each other out. I'm all for that but many of our social programs are not truly helping people. They are enslaving them. We need programs with a hand up not a hand out.

        I do agree with you that the players have changed but the game is the same. Will Drumpf be able to change that? Maybe not. But think about what this election has accomplished. The Republican party knows now that they do not speak to the people on issues we care about. They know that we consider them to have let us down. I hear the Democratic party feels the same. If they have gotten it through their thick heads that business as usual is not acceptable to us we may see positive change within the parties. Also, Drumpf as an outsider took the election. He has proven that political machines cannot break a candidate and cause them to lose. All of the powers that be did everything they could to kick him down and he won. We may see a slew of better and more able people run for office now. True statesmen and stateswomen. I can tell you if I have to live through four years of crap to see a brighter political future it is worth it to me.

    8. wrenchBiscuit profile image87
      wrenchBiscuitposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

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      The so-called "defense budget" for the U.S. was  $601 billion in 2015! The numbers don't lie. Obviously violence is the key to getting things done in this world. Otherwise, there would be no reason for such spending. When the U.S. government doesn't agree with something or someone, or even when they think a particular situation (Like Vietnam or Libya) "might" lead to a disagreeable outcome, they pump up the volume with violence and weapons of mass destruction.

      But here I see people commiserating about a few thousand unarmed protesters, some of whom have caused minor property damage. Yes minor compared to what the U.S. and their Arab partners have unleashed on the Syrian people since the proxy war began in 2011.

      Powerless people get no respect from the powerful. Power only respects power. A peaceful protest accomplishes nothing, and only further empowers and emboldens the opposition. It is only when the status quo feels that the cost of confrontation, in either property or human life is too great, that they seek to compromise, or find a solution to the problem. These are the facts of life. I admire the protesters, and hope they continue to pump up the volume and bring down not only a tyrant, but the evil puppet masters who are pulling his strings.

      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        OK. But, I don't think these protests are going to accomplish anything other than some property damage to people who didn't do anything wrong, other than be in the area where these people chose to protest.

        Protest is great, if it has a valid purpose. I'm not sure what they hope to accomplish here. I don't think they are sure. I think they are simply venting.

      2. ahorseback profile image46
        ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        I'm sure you DO admire  18 year olds wilding out for the cause , problem is  , they have no clue as  to the cause ,  no meaning  to their ideology , no back up for the argument s when questioned .    I have never met an alt-left  activist that could put together  a complete argument without an emotional breakdown or  the attempt to outshout their opponent .     And I was there in the sixties listening to the same mentality ,   they made no sense then either  !   

        I guess the pot was good then , today though , they are totally burned out .
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        1. Misfit Chick profile image93
          Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          The SMART people have spoken! *I* am not an 18yo; and I fully understand 'the cause' - PLUS, I outlined the poor position of Trump's voters pretty thoroughly, above this post. I guess you missed it.

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          1. Live to Learn profile image82
            Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            The SMART people have spoken? lol I suppose if you can't effectively argue a cause you just call yourself smart and think you've won the point? We all see how that worked out in the election.

            1. Misfit Chick profile image93
              Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              Like I said, I outlined the poor position of Trump's voters pretty thoroughly, above (two posts now?) this post. I guess you missed it. All you peeps who are so smart are conveniently missing it.

              1. Live to Learn profile image82
                Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                lol I responded to your post. I suppose you are just sooo smart (in your own estimation) that you think if you say something everyone is going to be dumbfounded by its brilliance and automatically declare 'gee she's right'. 

                Didn't happen.

                1. Misfit Chick profile image93
                  Misfit Chickposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Right, sorry - my apologies, this was stuffed among all the others and I missed it. Stupid me! smile

                  Yes, tensions were high throughout the election - and believe it or NOT, people like me were waiting with anticipation (not hate) for the results; FULLY INTENDING on accepting the outcome - until we discovered WHY so many people voted the way they did (ie. white - especially Christian - women & men vs other races). Christian men have an easier time blending in with all the rest of the angry white men who voted; while the split between women is much more evident. Again, why do white Christian women vote so differently than Christian women from other races who have every reason to be at least as angry? The same question goes to white Christian men.

                  Comey & The Hatch Act: "The rules are violated if it is obvious that the official's actions could influence the election, there is no other good reason for taking those actions, and the official is acting under pressure from persons who obviously do want to influence the election."

                  Things would have been different surrounding that issue if 1) his original 'announcement' hadn't been so intentionally-criptic & vague; when LATER 2) it took them mere DAYS to go through those 'potentially-incriminating' emails to clear her; when they COULD have done that BEFORE they made any announcements. You don't think that is suspicious, at all?

                  Voting for Rich: FYI, one of the basic beliefs of the Republican Party is to buff up the rich to let money trickle down to the middle class & poor. It has ALWAYS been part of their platform; and it is also why Christians in those classes vote for them.

                  "I'm pro choice. I'll be honest. I don't think Drumpf gave a rat's behind about the subject until it came up in the election process. You noticed how he kept changing his stance? He didn't care and had never really thought about it. And, I don't think he will care as president. It's none of his business anyway."

                  That is one of my points: Republicans use the issue of abortion to manipulate the hearts & minds of good Christian women who simply CANNOT vote for the opposing party who they see as being FOR murdering babies. And as you just indicated, that is exactly what they did. HOWEVER, the concerning thing is that the topics of both immigration & abortion are two things that he can take action on quickly enough when he gets in there. They are two of the things he can carry through on almost immediately to make it appear that he is carrying out the wishes of 'his people'. Christians are actually VERY OPTIMISTIC that abortion will be overturned.

                  I disagree on the helping out programs, obviously. As many decent people use them as a temporary thing between life situations, as you view lazy people. Certainly there are room for improvements; and we can only improve things by continuing to work on them - not kicking them to the curb.

                  "The Republican party knows now that they do not speak to the people on issues we care about." I don't know what world you live in; but in case you haven't noticed - their entire platform is based on p*ssing on as many things Obama accomplished over the past eight years as they can; AND they obviously could care LESS about the fact that they did not receive the popular vote.

                  Thanks for finally replying with a response other than 'you're stupid'. Honestly, the only reason I say it to begin with; is because I keep hearing similar crap from Trumpsters while NOT getting a decent response. Thank you! smile

                  1. ahorseback profile image46
                    ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    You can always blame it on the white race  religious ,  bigots , racist , misogynists,  sexist ................................Oh never mind ,  you already tried that tactic .

    9. Stevennix2001 profile image83
      Stevennix2001posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      These riots were going to happen regardless of who won between Hilary and Trump.  That's just reality.  The only difference would've been who would be doing the rioting.  All I know is that if this leads to a civil war, then count on ISIS to bomb us during that time because they're licking their chops, and waiting for that moment to happen, as CNN even did a story about how they were celebrating Trump's victory, as they hope we fall apart.

      I hope to god that doesn't happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if it does.

      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        I don't know. The right was pretty miffed when Obama took office. Were there riots? I don't remember any.

        I hope we don't fall apart too but I blame all of this division on the politicians in Washington. They won't work together and all they do is insist if the other side would just fall in line behind them (both parties do it) everything would be honky dory. Look at where it has led us. Name calling and worse. Sooner or later we will have to accept that we have to stand together. We are in this shape because of Washington's refusal to work for the best interests of all citizens.

        1. Stevennix2001 profile image83
          Stevennix2001posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          You're comparing what happened eight years ago to what's going on now in this country.  It's not the same thing.  Wake up.  It would be like if you tried to compare what George Washington went through during his term to what Barrack Obama had to go through with his.  it's not the same thing, as both inherited different sets of problems upon becoming president. 

          When Obama took office, there wasn't anywhere near the racial divide as there is now.  Police brutality while always being a huge issue in this country was not nearly as big back then as it is now.  black lives matter didn't exist back then, to shed light on it either, as they weren't founded until 2013.

          Also if you listen to Trump during his campaign speeches, he definitely said the election was being freaking RIGGED.  He said that.  Yeah, I agree with him on that, but he never should've said that.   He even went as far as to say that he would only accept the results if it meant he won.  You do realize what that means right?  It means that he was creating a situation that would've pissed off a lot of people if he had lost.  Hell, on CNN and ABC, there were people that outright said they'd do ANYTHING to make sure Hilary never got to be president.  When asked in further detail about it, they played off it being ambiguous and vague, but it was heavily implied they meant they were going to kill Hilary if that's what it took to take her out of office. 

          Plus, you have various white supremacist groups who have openly endorsed Trump, so you don't think they would've rioted if Trump didn't win? 

          The reality is these riots were going happen whether we wanted them to or not, as the only way they would've been avoided would've been if either a third party candidate like Gary Johnson or Jill Stein would've won, or if the democrats would've been SMART and nominated the one man that did deserve to win which was Bernie Sanders.  Sadly, this is what we got.  Now, it's up to Trump to fix this problem immediately because if this escalates any further, then ISIS could be bombing us fairly soon at our weakest moment.

          1. Live to Learn profile image82
            Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Wow. I don't really agree that it is all that bad. Everyone runs their mouths pretty hard, on both sides, but we are not (or at least I hope not) on the verge of civil war. Unfortunately internet conversations are between a bunch of people who have evolved into a bunch of pansy know it alls who think if we somehow get into a position where people don't agree with us it is only because they are too dense to see facts. We do all need to stop, breath, give the opposition the benefit of believing they have valid reasons for feeling the way they do and try to find a compromise.

            I can tell you in this corner of the country we are all OK with the fact that some voted for a guy that got elected and some voted for a woman who didn't. We aren't rioting and we aren't mad at each other. We are all pretty sure we know who and what we should be frustrated with and it isn't each other.

            1. Stevennix2001 profile image83
              Stevennix2001posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              Yeah, but you can't assume that all areas in the US are exactly like the niche little area you live in, as not everyone is going to think the same way that you and your friends do. Sure, your friends and family might go, "Aww gee whiz.  we lost" or whatever.  But not everyone is going to think like that.

              1. Live to Learn profile image82
                Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                I think we all like to find things to fear. People are pretty much people, the world around.

                Chin up. It isn't as bleak as you might believe.

                1. Stevennix2001 profile image83
                  Stevennix2001posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  As I told Don W, I'm just going to hope that Trump somehow becomes the president we need, even if he wasn't the one that we wanted at this point.  That's all i can hope for.  By the way, that stuff I told you about ISIS was reported by CNN, as they did celebrate Trump winning the election, which is kind of disturbing if you think about it.

    10. Sychophantastic profile image83
      Sychophantasticposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      What planet are you living on? The GOP didn't do anything like this? Like Bill O'Reilly declaring Obama's presidency a failure less than 90 days into his first term? Like the entire GOP declaring from the get-go that they wouldn't work with him?

      http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washin … obamas-win

      https://www.romper.com/p/why-comparing- … ting-22579

      https://mediamatters.org/research/2012/ … -wa/191202

      It doesn't take a lot of research to completely counter this point.

      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        I don't remember them doing that in between vandalizing buildings and cars during their riot. When did they riot?

    11. The Indexer profile image81
      The Indexerposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      If you think that Obama's ideas were "far left", then you don't have the first idea what "far left" means!

      1. ahorseback profile image46
        ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        And if your idea of Obama's presidency is centrist or anything other than quite far  left , you have been  diluted by your own fantasy idea of government  ,     His presidency will go down as being  left of left .    To the point where- had there been a third  term [clinton- sanders ]  ,  America would be irretrievable from  the dregs of socialism .

        To understand the left in America , one must understand that telling lies  over and over and over and over  , make them ultimately reality if not true  .

      2. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Or, maybe I simply don't know what it means to you. I think this election shows that they went farther left than a great deal of people were comfortable with. Many of them democrats.

    12. beckysue33 profile image26
      beckysue33posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Not all liberals are dangerous. A lot of us just sit home or go to work and accept it. That is me anyway. I am proud I voted for HIlary. A lot of far right Republicans are dangerous.

      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Yes, I know most liberals are not dangerous. Just like most conservatives. It's the rabble that gives everyone a bad name.

  2. colorfulone profile image86
    colorfuloneposted 3 weeks ago

    Peaceful protests are fine. Its the riots, violence, burning American flags, property damage, starting forest fires or buildings on fire, obscenities of all kinds, utter disrespect for anyone who doesn't agree with them that is so wrong on many levels.  All funded by George Soros.

    And, where are the voices of reason from Democrat leaders saying, "Your all idiots, stop being idiots. Now!"?

    1. Live to Learn profile image82
      Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Funny thing is they interviewed millenials at one of the protest and most of them didn't vote. Apparently they are mad because they should have been handed what they want without them having to put any effort into getting it. Although, they don't appear to mind the effort of breaking in bank windows, smashing up cars and throwing molotov cocktails at the police.

      1. Credence2 profile image87
        Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        They did not vote because HC was uninspiring and wasn't zealous enough about the issues they were concerned about.

      2. Sychophantastic profile image83
        Sychophantasticposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        The "them not voting" point is a really good one. They should teach them the definition of irony because not voting means they effectively voted for Trump. While they have the right to protest, they're no better than the people they're protesting against and, in many cases, probably worse. If you abdicate your responsibility as a citizen by not voting, then you should shut the hell up.

        1. Live to Learn profile image82
          Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Considering the options we were presented with I can understand not wanting to waste the time. But I agree. Don't vote, don't belly ache about the outcome.

          1. Sychophantastic profile image83
            Sychophantasticposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            I can understand feeling like little would change either way, but the people who are protesting may have had the power to change the result (unless they were all from the same state, in which case they should be protesting the electoral college).

        2. wrenchBiscuit profile image87
          wrenchBiscuitposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13280975.jpg

          wrenchBiscuit Delivers More Medicine and Correction

          If the vote mattered you would have a valid argument. As it stands the vote in a presidential election is simply a means of  reinforcing the grand fiction that we are living in a free democratic republic, when in truth we are living in an oppressive Imperialist Oligarchy. Voting in a presidential election and participating in government is the absolute worst thing anyone can do. Presidents are decided by a wealthy ruling elite, not by the peasantry. Is Dream On" by Aerosmith your favorite song? One of my favorite songs was recorded  by George Jones. It's called "The Cold Hard Truth".

  3. ahorseback profile image46
    ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago

    These" protesters " are not protesting anything political , with any amount of knowledge  about voting choices , This is NOTHING BUT wilding out by a young and ill informed  people choosing to riot for any reason and for no reason at all !  They are THUGS ,  They deserve nothing but the best the authorities can let loose  on them from water cannons , tear gas , stun guns ,  batons  and arrests ,

    Put it all on their criminal records so they can never acquire a federal  job ,  never vote , never own a firearm and always pay for their acts of thuggery and social defiance.

    1. PhoenixV profile image79
      PhoenixVposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      I think its the music. They get all hopped up on that Bieber or some wrapper. I dont know what theyre preaching down there at Aeropostale but as GM suggested they are becoming radicalized.

    2. Kathryn L Hill profile image86
      Kathryn L Hillposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Their sensitive emotions are on display. Their displays reveal minds of fluff: no knowledge of history, philosophy or social science. Which is not surprising since who wants to study those things when you are teenager/ young adult still being a kid, looking for fun? and who tries to reach the kids? Who brings these topics to light in a significant way invoking thought and logic through interest? High school teachers? college professors? No, the quest for giving and receiving grades, unfortunately, trumps all.

      trump
      outshine, outclass, upstage, put in the shade, eclipse, surpass, outdo, outperform; beat, better, top, cap; be a cut above, be head and shoulders above, leave standing.

      1. ahorseback profile image46
        ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Sore losers  and other assorted thuggery !

  4. wilderness profile image96
    wildernessposted 3 weeks ago

    One of the saddest, most disgusting things I've ever seen as Mom kicks a little boy out of his home because he voted "Trump" in his schools "election".  First caught it on the FB page Michelle Obama for 2020.  https://www.facebook.com/MichelleObamaF … mp;fref=nf

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPreGSB9vnk

    1. colorfulone profile image86
      colorfuloneposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      I saw that this morning and am heartbroken.  sad

  5. Live to Learn profile image82
    Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago

    I will add that I do consider all liberals who strongly identify themselves as such are as much a danger to the continuation of our freedoms in this country as I do the far right. Both are attempting to shove their beliefs down the throats of the rest of us. Both are causing a strain on our economy by out of control spending and both are attempting to micromanage our lives.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Then I look forward to seeing your new thread entitled, 'Dangerous Conservatives."

      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Oddly, I began this thread simply to lament the fact that the protests against the election were violent. So, if the conservatives start violent protests I'll do such.

        But, the reason I said that is that I was thinking about how the left is attempting to bemoan this election for something other than what I believe the vast majority of us saw. You all, and yes you all, continue to insist it was about racism, misogyny and a lack of ability to think. The majority of liberals appear to believe that the election points to something sinister in America. That bothers me. To no small end. That you could look down on your fellow Americans in such a way is no different than what I perceive as the ignorance of the right.

        I am beginning to believe that those of us who feel left on the outside to such an extent that we cannot align with either party truly do need to form a union into a third party. So that we can better reflect the values most of us hold. Which appear to be a combination of liberal and conservative views. Although this election swung Republican across the board I don't think it shows a hard lean to agreement with the Republican platform. It simply meant that the Democrats had been given the opportunity to show America what they could do and few were impressed with the results.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          There is some merit to what you say and there is some merit to what we say. If over 70% of Republicans doubt that Obama was born in the U. S., can you blame some of us for wondering if many of them are making decisions from an ill-informed position?

          If 40% of Trump voters believe whites are a superior race AND they vote for a candidate who spouts racist rhetoric, AND said candidate draws the under educated white vote in record numbers, can you blame us for wondering if racism and lack of accurate information is a major factor in Trump's victory? Not the only factor but a significant factor.

          Can you blame some of us for wondering?

          1. Live to Learn profile image82
            Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Well, I don't know that any of that is true. Because a poll said it was doesn't reflect anything,. To me. I've never heard anyone imply that whites were superior and I hear people talking politics all day long in the restaurant. So I do, honestly, believe that you want to believe something negative about others and therefor you do.

            As to doubting if Obama was born in America it wasn't just Republicans who questioned that. Wasn't there a democrat in Pennsylvania who claimed to have had proof from his paternal grandmother?  Either way. I'm not so certain someone who believes we are all racist, misogynistic, xenophobic Nazis should question one belief held by another segment of society and I doubt the segment is as large as you are stating.

            But, your questions bring up another question I've been mulling around. Do you think the polls are true attempts to reflect the thoughts of the populace? I'm not sure I do. Not after this election.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              Again, you said I think "all" when I clearly said "some."

              Polls are useful tools but are fallible tools that should be used with caution. In the case of this election, I think Clinton would have won if the vote had been taken right before the Comey letter came out. The polls didn't have enough time to mirror the impact of that development, which was combined wth a 3-4 week stretch of Donald staying on message like a good little boy. That's my theory but it's just a theory and I could be wrong.

              1. Credence2 profile image87
                Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                You know, Panther, I think that Hillary's defeat was more involved than just the Comey problem. Why were the adverse effects felt so strongly in just the industrial Midwest? This is the region that is most responsible for her defeat. I think she made a mistake as the reason this region is distinctive is the rust best scenario and the dearth of jobs. She took the region for granted. Clinton still appeared to be on the wrong side of a solution to the economic morass of the region and did not listen hard enough.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                  PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  I'm not saying it was the only key to her loss, but I think it dampened turnout among some of her lukewarm supporters.

                  I agree she didn't cater to those under educated white voters enough. They felt dismissed, even if their feeling is not an accurate reflection of reality.

              2. Live to Learn profile image82
                Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                You quoted 40 percent and 70 percent, respectively. Instead of judging the world through observation and personal experience you appear to prefer being spoon fed opinions. All I would ask is that we all remember that every unfair negative judgment creates another. Is scrambling to sate a desire to feel superior in our collective best interest?

                1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                  PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  I prefer to use evidence in addition to personal experience to form my personal opinions. I have plenty of personal experience with Trump voters but that is anecdotal and I would be remiss to assume that limited experience is an accurate reflection of the majority of Trump voters.

                  As for the rest, methinks you ought to look in the mirror. At least if I offer an opinion backed up by data, it is more than just my opinion.

                  1. Live to Learn profile image82
                    Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Evidence is fine but one has to not be led into belief. Hillary voters in our area made bizarre comments such as Trump would send them back to slavery. I did wonder who would believe such and who would put such ideas in their heads.  Although I found them to be indicative of a lack of ability to discern truth from fiction I didn't choose to look down on them or use that to make broad generalizations about democratic voters, but it appears the democrats do not attempt to be so kind to those who don't see things eye to eye with them.

                    Instead of snubbing those who we feel hold ridiculous beliefs we would be ahead by giving them the benefit of attempting to understand how they have come to them. No American wants to fear their neighbor or their government.

          2. GA Anderson profile image86
            GA Andersonposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Now hold on a minute Margaret, let me see that paper again.

            "Over 70% percent of Republicans doubt that Obama was born in the U.S.?"

            Did you think about that for a minute. That's 7 out of 10. Do you really believe that? Think of your local circle, are their really only three of your husband in every ten Republicans you know? Ok, wait, let me qualify that. Just your husband's political views not the other stuff.

            Even the PPP, (Public Policy Polling), survey that I found to be the source link for several articles to that point only reported 59%, and it was talking about leaning-Trump respondents. Then, further down through a listing of each of the poll questions, it reported the number to be 30%. What's up with that?

            Of course your readings might not have included PPP sourced material. But the point stands - did those numbers cause you to dig deeper to confirm them?

            Or did you mean to say Trump voters?

            And that 40% number, did you check on that? I found numbers as low as 16%, but I didn't check the source - just the Google headline. Considering the bluntness of PPP poll questions, (as representing polling efforts); "Do you favor hemorrhoids or Donald Trump?"; I can just imagine the poll question for that 40% response.

            I mean, those are pretty significant numbers. Your use of them certainly prompted me to take a look. I found several articles making similar claims as yours - but each sourced that one PPP survey. I didn't go any deeper, so there may be other polls to verify their results... but Geesh! did you look at the poll questions and survey numbers? Didn't you get at least a beep from your bias detector?

            GA

            1. PrettyPanther profile image86
              PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              Here ya go: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-el … ?cid=sm_tw

              And yes, when I think of Republicans I know personally, it is not terribly surprising to me. My Facebook feed used to be littered with photoshopped images accompanied by ridiculous statements. I say "used to be" because I have systematically told the Facebook Feed Fairy that I really don't want to see anything from Infowars, Breitbart or Christian Times to name a few. Even so, the occasional lovely nugget gets through. Today's gem is that Obama is going to pardon Clinton, complete with unflattering bug-eyed photo of Clinton recolored in dark, surly undertones. My cousin, who is a Republican, is apparently not aware that Clinton has not been convicted of a crime and therefore cannot be pardoned. Yesterday, it was a photo of Clinton in prison orange being escorted to jail with a giant "LOCK HER UP" caption. That one was from bikers4trump. My brother-in-law is a biker. He still thinks Obama is going to fake some kind of attack so he can declare martial law.

              This was the most recent survey I heard about, which is why I used those numbers. They were fresh in my mind.. Yes, I am aware that multiple surveys have returned vastly different numbers and I agree that 70% is on the high end. But, really, whether it's 40 or 70, they're both ridiculously high numbers.

              And, yes, I did read the actual survey questions but no I did not delve much deeper than that. To me, this is just like the spate of surveys that showed Fox News viewers to be the most ill-informed compared to viewers of other networks. Yes, several surveys had different percentages but all had the same basic result. People didn't like that conclusion either.

              Edited  to add: My husband's cousin, who is an extreme conservative living in Alaska, just shared this: http://christiantimesnewspaper.com/clinton-divorce/
              And he has a college degree. And, no, Hillary has not filed for divorce.

              1. ahorseback profile image46
                ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                Your first mistake - ? Using face-book as the main source of vetting  to chose a leader !   Time to put , politically , on your big girl pants .

                1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                  PrettyPantherposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Yeah, that's exactly what I said. Yeah. GA specifically asked me about Republicans I know personally, but of course you would actually have to read with an inquiring mind to understand that. roll

  6. Onusonus profile image85
    Onusonusposted 3 weeks ago

    The demoralization of American leftist is quite an enigma. You can show them pictures and videos of violent mobs burning, destroying, and looting, and the social justice morons will literally make up every excuse imaginable in order to justify it. 

    https://pics.onsizzle.com/when-you-see-posts-by-anti-gun-liberals-screaming-for-6295191.png

  7. ahorseback profile image46
    ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago

    Once upon a time ; Do  We all  remember that kid next door that got everything he wanted on his  birthday or at Christmas ? Had all the latest big yellow Tonka Toy trucks ,     from   a pacifier in their mouth until he was nine years old  to their first brand new car before they had a  drivers license -   Everything simply handed to them from the beginning   , every time they had their wailing  temper tantrum ?

    When they grew up they became the new liberals and rioted frequently .

    1. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Fixed that for ya.

      You're welcome.

      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        lol. That was a good one.

  8. colorfulone profile image86
    colorfuloneposted 3 weeks ago

    http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13276351.jpg

    Somethings look like they are getting better real fast! 
    I feel safer and more secure already.

  9. colorfulone profile image86
    colorfuloneposted 3 weeks ago

    Blocks of anti-Trump protest buses caught on tape, in this case Chicago.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-1 … aught-tape

    There is a video of cops charging protesters on Zero Hedge in Organ. They were firing non lethal bullets, guns a blazing.  Holly crap, that would hurt!

    1. ahorseback profile image46
      ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      That is exactly what the protesters [rioters ]needed !

      1. colorfulone profile image86
        colorfuloneposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        I'm still waiting.  Obama met with Trump at the White House last Thursday and said that it was his priority is to ensure a smooth transition so that Trump’s presidency is successful.

        It is a responsibility for Hillary Clinton, Imama Obama and other Democratic leaders to calm their supporters.  They need to hear them say, ‘This man is our president.’  Over and over again if necessary, or is that too much to ask?  People are getting hurt, and some are gaining criminal records. 

        I'd love to see the water canons come out, but its got to stop.

  10. colorfulone profile image86
    colorfuloneposted 3 weeks ago

    This kind of explains the mentally of the radical liberal babies.  Its funny in a sad way. 

    A short clip from and old Andy Griffin show.
    https://www.facebook.com/TheComicalCons … 376992108/

    1. colorfulone profile image86
      colorfuloneposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13278836.jpg

  11. ahorseback profile image46
    ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago

    It is absolutely boorish and naïve'  of so many people to pigeonhole the Trump  voters , after all ,  isn't it a liberal  custom to remain open minded and  fair about  life .  But then ,  you must all label  the  victors as racists , bigots , etc...............I wouldn't expect much less !

    1. Live to Learn profile image82
      Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      I'm afraid I haven't met many liberals who are fair minded, open and honest. Once they chose a label for themselves they lose that ability.

      1. Credence2 profile image87
        Credence2posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        If they met your qualifications for 'fair minded' then they would be liberals no longer.

        1. Live to Learn profile image82
          Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Really? What are my qualifications? Being a xenophobic Nazi, a redneck and stupid white trash I can't imagine I'd have an extensive list for you to remember.

    2. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Where did it say anything about "racists" and "bigots" in that list? Just because someone is concerned about immigration, that doesn't make them racist. Just because someone goes to church, that doesn't make them a bigot. That's a massively unfair generalization on your part.

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        And yet it seems to.  Trump is a racist because he wants to shut down illegals entering the country.  He is even a racist because he (correctly) indicates there are Mexican criminals in our country, and there is nothing whatsoever about race in that observation or the one about illegal aliens!

        1. Don W profile image83
          Don Wposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          You cannot categorically conclude on the basis of that list, that the people surveyed are racists. If you interpret the data that way, then that interpretation is coming from you. The conclusion that Trump is racist is not based on a single answer on a survey.

          1. Stevennix2001 profile image83
            Stevennix2001posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            I don't think Trump is a racist. i  just think he's an idiot.  Big difference.  However, I'm just hoping for the best right now, and I hope Trump becomes the president that we desperately need, even if he's not the one that we wanted....at least I didn't want him...

            1. Don W profile image83
              Don Wposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              I don't think he's stupid. Wildly ill-suited for the role? Yes. A shyster who's managed to con half the country into giving him the top job? Yes. A racist and sexist who has the potential to cause lasting harm to civic society? Yes. Stupid? No.

        2. wrenchBiscuit profile image87
          wrenchBiscuitposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13279713.jpg

          That's nothing but racist propaganda. And promoting such a fiction is nothing less than an outrage! There are more native born "white" criminals than any other variety. More mass school shootings have been perpetrated by white males, more cops are killed by white males, and more women are raped by white males. If they deport any group, based on the facts and figures it should be white males back to Europa.

          Here is an excerpt from my most excellent and insightful Hub entitled "Vote TRUMP In 2016_ An Anarchist's Perspective":

          "...This particular argument concerning violence perpetrated by illegal immigrants is remarkable. A recent study published by the American Immigration Council and authored by three professors of sociology and anthropology using information gathered from the U.S. Census states that "roughly 1.6 percent of immigrant males aged 18-36" are behind bars in the U.S. compared to 3.3 percent of the corresponding group of native-born American males. Since the 1980's native-born incarceration rates have been "two to five times higher than those of so-called "illegal immigrants". To further illustrate, the Arizona Department of Corrections will tell you that about 90 percent of those in its custody are U.S citizens, and about 10 percent are "criminal aliens," a category that also includes those who are here legally. On Arizona's Death Row, out of 118 convicted murderers, there is only one Mexican national. The long story short, approx.97.5% of inmates on Arizonas death row are native born U.S. citizens..."

          1. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            Then the world's greatest genocide in human history continues on the true American indigenous people.

            I don't believe in capital punishment of death. To kill someone for killing or other crimes are Hippocrates. The British and American empires  have predominantly in history gone after brown skin tribes and nations because they are people of the power of earth and spirit. Where Whites are creation and fire that have abuse their gifts of power the most.

            We must find a way to share power or we will destory our own human species. The way how things are going, other earthlings are better off without us.

          2. Live to Learn profile image82
            Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            I agree that not only the lion's share of immigrants are peaceful people looking for a better life for themselves and their families but we cannot ignore the fact that there is terrorism in our world. And, we cannot forget that foreign organizations would like to perpetuate violence on innocent citizens in our country. We can argue until the cows come in on how best to protect our citizens, without negatively affecting our ability to help these people, but the bottom line remains that we have to have some type of workable system in effect to attempt to wean these individuals out of the potential immigration ranks.

            As to our southern neighbors, we also have the right to attempt to ensure that negative elements are not included in the influx.

            Your figures on white crime are interesting but I think if we look at crimes proportionate to population estimates then white crime in the areas you mentioned would be no higher than the crimes committed by minorities, for their percentage of the population. In some instances, white crime is less than its proportionate share.  Either way, I don't think it does us any good to look at the color of one's skin to determine if one person is more dangerous than another. There are factors which figure more prominently into the equation of why a person turns to a life of crime than their skin tone.

            1. wrenchBiscuit profile image87
              wrenchBiscuitposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

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              Proportionate figures are irrelevant when we consider the racist rhetoric that has amplified the spurious threat of crime among illegal immigrants. How so? Imagine that there are only 100 illegal Mexicans in the whole United States. Now imagine that half of those illegals are criminals. Wow! Now we are looking at a figure of 50%. However great that proportion may seem, we must put that proportion into the proper perspective. Considering the population of the United States is over 300 million people, in such a scenario even a percentage of 50% is hardly cause for alarm. 

              The estimated 1.6% of 11 million who are incarcerated hardly signifies a crime wave among illegal aliens. We must also understand that out of that 1.6% many are not incarcerated for violent crimes. And so we can realize that the violent criminals are far less than 1%. Racist's use proportions and percentages, minus perspective, to create fear among the population and to demonize illegal immigrants. This serves several useful purposes for various entities. Primarily it serves to shift the focus away from government and corporate corruption, and the fleecing of taxpayers by miscreant politicians, banks, and evil corporations like Gov.Rick Snyder,Monsanto, Nestle, and Energy Transfer Partners. These are the major criminals and racketeers. It is absurd to suggest that solving the illegal immigration issue will significantly affect the crime rate or greatly improve the standard of living for the poor and the working class.

              The illegal immigrant is simply a convenient scapegoat. After 500 years of evil, and after 250 years as a nation, America and the United States have apparently not learned anything at all. The universe was here before us. The universe does not operate with commodities, money, a stock exchange, and world governments. This type of world system is not our natural state. We have been enslaved and made to believe that this is the only way. And in a sense that is true. This is the only way to perpetual servitude, but it is not the way to freedom.

              By the way, the people of Flint Michigan still don't have clean water. Many children have been damaged for life. Many may also die as a result. Donald Trump has said nary a word about arresting Rick Snyder for poisoning an entire U.S. city. It is remarkable that if an Islamic group had poisoned an entire U.S. city we all know that the Trump campaign, and every Billy Bob from New York to California would have been screaming murder from the rooftops. But instead, these morons are focusing on poor people from south of the border who are simply trying to feed their families. Yes, the election of Donald Trump is quite sickening. It is truly sickening because in spite of my usual anti-American rhetoric, I have secretly hoped that I was wrong about the American mainstream. But today I find no joy in the realization that I have been right all along.

              1. PhoenixV profile image79
                PhoenixVposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    .                                 Net worth 100 Million Dollars.

                1. wrenchBiscuit profile image87
                  wrenchBiscuitposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13280131.jpg

                  And? Is that supposed to be a smoking gun or just FYI? Regardless, for those who may interpret it to be the former, I will provide valuable insight to compliment that hot cup of coffee and jelly donut many of you plus size Hubbers are enjoying this morning. An individual worth 100 million dollars should certainly be more aware of how rich people think and what rich people do than Joe Blow who works at the local Deli and brings home a whopping $19,000 a year! Of course a rich person would be more of an authority concerning the character and machinations  of wealthy people.

                  I would trust Jodie Foster to give a more accurate picture than a mere peasant who voted for Donald Trump, and who is now waiting with baited breath for that $15 minimum wage. Gee, with that kind of cash a person could mortgage a house, buy a car, and  go to Las Vegas at least once every 30 years. Yeah! Donny is gonna make it real great for all you guys. Just wait and see.

                  1. PhoenixV profile image79
                    PhoenixVposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this


                    Isnt Foster an atheist and in your often written assessment is a meat puppet devoid of any spirituality?  Regardless,  if I were to use a quote about people that amass wealth are creators of poverty Id try to find someone that didnt have 100 million dollars. I cant afford jelly donuts. Foster is hoarding all my money. According to her anyway.

                  2. Castlepaloma profile image22
                    Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Trump supports $10 minimum wage, still not a living wage . Still companies will continues to go for cheaper countries wages and less environment requirements.

                  3. ahorseback profile image46
                    ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    You sound like you will be one of the ones watching from Canada until the next swing of the pendulum .

                2. ahorseback profile image46
                  ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Jodie , Not that pretty , not that smart , just another  celeb hypocrite  .

                  1. colorfulone profile image86
                    colorfuloneposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Just wait till communist China has control over the six major movie studios in Hollywood.  The propaganda will be astounding.  I know you remember Jane Fonda and her dirty deeds.   Well, Donald Sutherland, is right up there with George Soros.  Sutherland is a Canadian, who says he is ashamed of being white...aw, it gets even crazier.  But, you get the idea.  ...  We see the effects of years of cultural and social engineering by the world communist party to bring down the West.  And, they love to use their rich celebrity minions.  Follow the money!

                  2. Castlepaloma profile image22
                    Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Jodie looks pretty and act smart to me, maybe not a Trump 10.
                    She, being an an atheist and married lesbian would put her on the dumb side for most male Christian Trump voters.

                  3. Live to Learn profile image82
                    Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    Oh god. Not that pretty? Are you Donald? What do her looks have to do with anything?

              2. Live to Learn profile image82
                Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                I hate to tell you this but if we knew, for a fact, that 50% of people immigrating from a particular country would end up being criminals that would be, in my mind, cause enough to stop immigration from that particular country until we could figure out how to keep that 50% out.

                Racist's use proportions and percentages, minus perspective, to create fear? Your words. Note that your words also attempted to use percentages to imply whites were more violent and dangerous. Does that make you a racist?

                I would agree that immigration is being used as a scapegoat but your use of the word 'evil' is silly and emotionally charged. America is not evil, unless you also state that the entire world is. Policies which have been abolished as being inhumane were no different than policies within any society of the time. Our society has consistently moved in the direction of being more and more inclusive.

                Flint Michigan is a travesty and I think we would agree that everyone who knew what was going on, as well as those who allowed this to happen should be incarcerated for a very long time.  However, I have heard your ideas on what would be a perfect and free society and I find them not only unworkable but laughable, since you do hope to be perceived as a deep thinker. And, honestly, to post a picture of a rich woman bemoaning the behavior of the rich is strange. Or, are you just trying to showcase hypocrisy?

                1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                  Castlepalomaposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Free and safety comes in degree, America is no longer the high degree, surrounded by greed.

                  Or like stated in Foster poster.

                  1. Live to Learn profile image82
                    Live to Learnposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

                    I would submit that Foster is apparently part of the greed you appear to be bemoaning.

  12. ahorseback profile image46
    ahorsebackposted 3 weeks ago

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    The truth  and  danger of the liberals fight and infighting , is that they actually have -O- for a future political mission statement . They never have ,1960-s  I remember my youth and my naiveté in  listening  , believing , wanting and dreaming of a better nation  , but liberals are mostly about discourse alone  and that is all they are about .   They cannot ever agree on one group thing or thought , in all of my  independent and political  experience I have deduced that the quintessential new -liberal  has a mind of milk-toast ,  a dream scape of entitlement , a vision of  extreme near-sightedness .

    Fight on people - the battle itself is all there is .

    1. colorfulone profile image86
      colorfuloneposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      In South Korea they have been protesting for 2 weeks against President Park... long corruption story... won't get into it... but guess when they protest.  According to some Korean students, they protest on the weekends.  Can you guess why?  ...  BECAUSE THEY HAVE JOBS!  smile

  13. Kathleen Cochran profile image84
    Kathleen Cochranposted 3 weeks ago

    Obama beat a reasonable adult.  That is not the case here.  People voted for his opponent because of political differences.  People voted for Trump because of anger and fear.  Whatever happens next, those people are responsible.  And this is only the beginning.  Votes have consequences - even if you hold your nose while you cast them.

    1. PhoenixV profile image79
      PhoenixVposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      How do you know they voted out of anger and fear?  I think they voted out of disgust for msm and hillary.  Sounds like you voted for obama. You are responsible for 10 trillion dollars

 
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