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A Society Without a State

  1. Sam Wickstrom profile image84
    Sam Wickstromposted 3 months ago

    It’s been easier to convince people to hand over half their income, their children to war, and their freedoms in perpetuity - than to engage them in seriously considering how roads might function in the absence of taxation. -Stefan Molyneux
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    What are your thoughts?

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      Like an anarchist society , we have not been killed and abused enough since the first world war. About 270 million people killed by Governments since then is still not enough.  You think a 3rd world war will change their mind about corporation hierarchy in bed with State?.

    2. jonnycomelately profile image86
      jonnycomelatelyposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      "An anarchistic utopia".....it's always the need for balance, don't you think?

      Some might see anarchy as an easier way of life, free from all those nuisance rules and regulations.

      Others might want more rules and regulations in order to impose control.

      Hopefully our human ability for intelligent choices will prevail - otherwise our species is destined for oblivion.

    3. PhoenixV profile image78
      PhoenixVposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      I think governments are becoming monsters. They are parasitic by nature. The average town probably has more government than entire countries have had in the past. A romanticized past is not an option.Most people could not go canping for a couple weeks on bare necessities. If only all the people would demand that 99% be privatized and all governments be downsized. People will say : how can we live without goverment? How can a poor person rationalize a politician playing golf on his tax money.Just thinking out loud here. Will Rogers once said he was glad we only get half the government we pay for. Since then government has found a way around that and are funding itself by kiting. There seems to be no check or balance in ever increasing government. There will be point, if we are not there already, when just thinking of smaller government will get a swat or drone response.

    4. psycheskinner profile image80
      psycheskinnerposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      My thoughts are that I prefer to live in a society with roads, police officers, courts, firefighters, health and safety codes, schools, hospitals, anti-pollution laws etc.  That's why I pay taxes, willingly.

      A few places over the decades have tried anarchist self-organizing communities without a central fund and tax-supported structure, and where are they now?

      1. Sam Wickstrom profile image84
        Sam Wickstromposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        All those things can exist without pointing a gun at someones head and extorting a significant portion of their income. If so many people like you desire all those services, are willing to pay for them, then why do you need to use a monopoly on force to extract the funds for such an endeavor?

        I'm not sure about genuine experiments into this. Thus far people have not had the freedom to try different systems of social organization.
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        “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum....” -Chomsky

        1. psycheskinner profile image80
          psycheskinnerposted 3 months ago in reply to this

          Give one example of a place where this is done, or has been in the modern era, without taxation.

          I know of many experiments, from Spanish anarchism to African Jesus Camps.  They all failed miserably in less than one generation.

          1. Sam Wickstrom profile image84
            Sam Wickstromposted 3 months ago in reply to this
          2. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
            Kathryn L Hillposted 3 months ago in reply to this

            Taxes have always been low in America's more distant past.
            And whats wrong with mentioning non-modern eras?
            Traditionally we have hated unfair taxation, remember the Boston Tea Party?
            We agree to a certain amount of common sense taxation for the benefit of the nation as far as defense on a federal level.


            Anti-pollution laws: should be a state matter
            Police officers: should remain a state matter
            Health Insurance: should be a state matter

            Courts: state matter
            Firefighters: state matter
            Schools: state matter
            Hospitals: state matter
            Safety codes: state matter


            We must not allow OVERBURDENSOME taxation by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
            The democratic republic we live in provides boundaries for freedom. Without boundaries of law and order, there is no freedom. Without freedom there is no need for laws and boundaries.
            And if all men were angels we would not need to select and maintain a governing body.
            Keep taxes low.
            Don't agree to raise them in your state as they did here in CA sad

      2. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        Something in between like Sweden's system, they tax the rich higher. True Capitalism and socialism together can be like chocolate and ice cream.

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 3 months ago in reply to this

          Is there a state in the world that does not soak the rich for what they want but cannot afford?

          Problem is...sooner or later it goes from a necessary evil (taking more from one than another) into a picture of an endless money pit, freely available to pay for anything the plebes want.

          1. Sam Wickstrom profile image84
            Sam Wickstromposted 3 months ago in reply to this

            Watch the film Money Masters by Bill Still and you will learn who has access to this endless money pit freely available to pay for anything they want.

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 3 months ago in reply to this

              I'd have to say it is the politicians; they are the only ones that can pass the laws making it legal.

              1. Sam Wickstrom profile image84
                Sam Wickstromposted 3 months ago in reply to this

                Like I said, watch Money Masters. You'll see why politicians are nothing but puppets for the global elite

        2. psycheskinner profile image80
          psycheskinnerposted 3 months ago in reply to this

          There are many way of organizing taxation and spending the revenues.  And higher taxation with full welfare support (e.g. much of Scandinavia, to a lesser extent Canada, Scotland or New Zealand) is what I consider the most successful system.

      3. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        Because of alot of travel, I visit several eco green villages worldwide and build three of them myself. Many of these villages are anarchist rule runned,  some islands were entirely anarchist operated. Really enjoyed myself in every anarchist community I visited. Do not want to expose or reveal them so much so, because the NWO worlds worst criminals organization are out to get them.

        Because the much of the world is under NWO rules having an ego village off grid is illegal or being anarchist is illegal making it extremely difficult to get off the ground. Some of these anarchist eco villages have been running beautifully for generations secretly under the radar.

        Many claim Iceland is an anarchist Country since 1966. Well, for NWO bankers, they will have none of that and tried to bankrupt the country. It turn out the people jailed these bankers and turned themselves into one of the happiest places on earth.

  2. wilderness profile image96
    wildernessposted 3 months ago

    An anarchistic utopia where everyone gets along without a state would be a wonderful thing.  Unfortunately, not 1 in a 1,000,000 people are ready for such a thing.

    Here is an example of why we aren't ready:
    http://www.kiro7.com/news/trending-now/ … /472065070
    The desire to put demands on other people, to control their lives and actions, never stops.

    1. Sam Wickstrom profile image84
      Sam Wickstromposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      Thats a good example. With the prevalence of religion people are consistently programmed to believe they are not worthy of conducting their own lives

  3. colorfulone profile image89
    colorfuloneposted 3 months ago

    First of all I would like to say that, Stefan Molyneux, is "brilliant"!  I love listening to him on YouTube. 

    I don't believe its right that power hungry people want to throw us in jail because we don't agree with their socialist ideology.  (pause)  Or, that censorship of the internet is a good.  (pause)  Political correctness is as loony as it gets.   (it doesn't stop)

    1. Sam Wickstrom profile image84
      Sam Wickstromposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      He changed my life and a lot of my perspectives, a very brilliant man indeed.

      1. colorfulone profile image89
        colorfuloneposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        I just looked up Stefan's quotes, and thought this one rather fun!   "Moral courage does not ask for - or receive - permission or the praise of the masses. If the masses praise you, it is because you are helping distract them from their own moral cowardice and conformity. Those who provoke discomfort create change - no one else." 

        I'm going to be chewing on that for a few days in the back of my mind.  smile

        1. Sam Wickstrom profile image84
          Sam Wickstromposted 3 months ago in reply to this

          Such a true quote.

  4. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 months ago

    The Groups of indigenous people who lived and took care of this land for eons of time, (@10,000 years) really should be looked at more closely. How did they raise and teach their children? How did they train their young men who grew to become strong protectors, providers and skilled craftsmen? How did the elders assist the youth? What was the family and tribal structure based on. How did they survive off the land. How did they grow crops, hunt game and all the while, not over-hunt / fish or pollute the land? Many nations on their reservations have preserved information regarding their ways and belief systems. Isn't it time we took a serious look at what we have never seriously regarded before? For instance, many learned to speak our language and we never learned theirs.

    The truth is, if we don't learn from them and implement some balance into our industry and civilization, they may be stepping over our dead bodies and thereby regain their lives and freedom. All they have to do is wait a little longer ...
    probably.

    1. Sam Wickstrom profile image84
      Sam Wickstromposted 3 months ago in reply to this

      You have an excellent point. The indigenous, I've heard that they actually thought 7, SEVEN generations ahead! We sure as hell aren't thinking even ONE generation ahead.
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      The author Gabor Mate said something about the native americans, that they would never leave a baby to cry on its own, if a baby was crying they would pick it up immediately. Through this small action native's had much better knowledge of self and of their emotions, and a greater connection to those around them

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image84
        Kathryn L Hillposted 3 months ago in reply to this

        “In the real world there is no nature vs. nurture argument, only an infinitely complex and moment-by-moment interaction between genetic and environmental effects”
        ― Gabor Maté, In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters with Addiction

        1. Sam Wickstrom profile image84
          Sam Wickstromposted 3 months ago in reply to this

          I read that book. Blew my mind, I finally understood why my family history is the way it is.

  5. Castlepaloma profile image22
    Castlepalomaposted 3 months ago

    Hey Sam.

    I lived in Creston BC, loved taking trips between to Nelson on my electronic bike a fair amount.  My daughter visit me in Creston, she calls it Twin Peaks, she perfers Nelson. Lived there in a eco house for almost 3 years.

 
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