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Trump: To smart to be bothered with daily briefings?

  1. Credence2 profile image85
    Credence2posted 4 months ago

    First of all, no excuses, Conservatives, Trump did say this, so spare me the 'spin'.
    I promise to be on Trump like 'white on rice', but only when his behavior warrants it.
    And, it does this time.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/t … ngs-232479

    So, since he is so SMART he cannot be bothered with daily national security briefings? He says that they are repetitive and are best left to subordinates?

    This man, having no political nor any position in Government of any sort can say that?
    I did not hire Pense as President, if Trump does not want to do the job that he has made such a fuss to obtain, there is still time to communicate that to the Electoral College.

    The President sets the example and the tone, he is setting one where he does not want to be bothered? The leader of the free world.....

    The ultimate height of arrogance, is this supposed to be a part time job for him?

    This is Maxwell Smart,  "it is the ole clown in the Oval Office trick"... The only problem is  is that there is no laugh track, because no one is laughing.

    You have my thoughts, what are yours?

    1. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      Just one thought. This is and excerpt from the interview But I don't need to be told, Chris, the same thing every day, every morning, same words, ‘Sir, nothing has changed. Let's go over it again.' I don't need that.”

      I don't know anything about the briefings but if some days are a word by word repeat of the day before I kind of agree it can be shortened to the first sentence above. Would that work for you? If he had them come in, make that statement and then leave? So that he can say 'Hey Credence. I hear you man. I'm doing it. For you. Yeh.'

      1. colorfulone profile image88
        colorfuloneposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        Harry Reid said on camera something like they shouldn't give Trump real briefings, in other words, lie to him.  So! If its repetitive nonsense they are giving,  I am led to believe they aren't giving real briefings...just BS.  Otherwise, Trump would want the briefings. 

        Harry needs to retire, he is too stupid.   
        Just another lying swamp dweller.

        1. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          I don't know anything about all that but what Trump said is not quite what Credence is presenting it as.

          Imagine that.

          1. Credence2 profile image85
            Credence2posted 4 months ago in reply to this

            Yes, in your opinion: imagine that.....

            What did the article say, or are you going to dispute this as well?

            1. Live to Learn profile image81
              Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

              I added a quote from the article in my first post. What I garnered from the article was that he didn't want to deal with repetitive stuff. Brief him initially and then again if, and when, the status changes. As usual I think a far end has found a molehill. That's ok. It has become the norm. It could be worse. At least this isn't some ridiculous cry that Trump will cause the earth, itself, to cease to turn.

              1. Credence2 profile image85
                Credence2posted 4 months ago in reply to this

                "At least this isn't some ridiculous cry that Trump will cause the earth, itself, to cease to turn."

                Thank you, but I have not ruled that possibility out........

                1. Live to Learn profile image81
                  Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                  It's a glass half empty life you lead. If it helps I can guarantee the sun will come out tomorrow. smile

                  1. colorfulone profile image88
                    colorfuloneposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                    You are a ray of sunshine bringing hope!  smile

                  2. Credence2 profile image85
                    Credence2posted 4 months ago in reply to this

                    Yeah, but what about the day after tomorrow?

          2. colorfulone profile image88
            colorfuloneposted 4 months ago in reply to this

            Yepperz, Harry Reid said he wanted the CIA to give Trump false intelligence briefings on live TV.  What an idiot.

            I hear Obama has missed over half of his intelligence briefings in his second term.

            1. Credence2 profile image85
              Credence2posted 4 months ago in reply to this

              How about a reputable link to that, please?

              Trump 'hears things' too!

              1. colorfulone profile image88
                colorfuloneposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                Use those keywords on YouTube, videos should come right up for you m'dear.

                I believe Trump sees things too.  wink

                1. Credence2 profile image85
                  Credence2posted 4 months ago in reply to this

                  So, I presume that it does not bother you that the President elect chooses not to be briefed on a daily basis while you criticize Obama for 'as you assert' missing half of his briefings while on the job. Is that suppose to be an excuse for Trump?

                  1. colorfulone profile image88
                    colorfuloneposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                    I believe Trump has received three briefings so far. That's more than any other president-elect before him. When they finally start giving him briefings they will know where to find him, and it won't be the golf course.  Let's given him time...like till January 20th. 

                    Who's criticize Obama? It doesn't bother me if he doesn't get daily briefings, it must not matter to him, so why should it matter.  shrug   
                    It must say something about those briefings.

    2. colorfulone profile image88
      colorfuloneposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      Trump is getting detailed intelligence briefings everyday from Booz Allen Hamilton, an NSA contractor, the largest private spy organization in the world.  Because Trump knows that Republican presidents before him were getting fake briefings from the CIA.  He knows that the CIA briefings he has gotten from the WH have been disinformation.   So! The media has got it wrong, or just spreading more disinfo. 

      When Trump gets briefings from Booz Allen, he bounces it off Generals, so he knows he is getting the highest information he can. 

      When FBI or CIA agents are seasoned, they can graduate up,...to Booz Allen.  Remember Edward Snowden, he was working for Booz Allen.

      1. Credence2 profile image85
        Credence2posted 4 months ago in reply to this

        Colorfulone, that is a convenient excuse, why does he not pass on his theory about the 'fake briefings' during the TV interview, as the true explanation as to why he could not be bothered?

        1. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          Is it at least possible for the left to be reasonable? Why do you so diligently seek to find fault where none appears to exist. Excerpts from the article:

          those briefings do not always change day to day, Drumpf told “Fox News Sunday”

          Drumpf said he always instructs those offering him the information to contact him should new developments emerge.

          I don't have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day

          the president-elect called those delivering his briefings "very good people" and said he would be open to receiving more regular intelligence briefings as situations dictate.

          “But I don't need to be told, Chris, the same thing every day, every morning, same words, ‘Sir, nothing has changed. Let's go over it again.' I don't need that.”


          There is nothing unreasonable, irresponsible or negligent in these statements. What you hope to create is an atmosphere where the public will assume the next commander in chief is throwing caution to the wind and ignoring information. That is not what was said or implied in any of that article.

          I honestly feel that you have made a decision to ignore truth in order to create drama. What does this serve?

          1. Credence2 profile image85
            Credence2posted 4 months ago in reply to this

            Yes, I am diligent in insisting that the President of the United States does not get to pass the buck. As the least qualified and prepared occupant to hold the office since it has been created, I am not sure that I like his attitude in regards to preparation to sit in that chair. So, when something goes wrong in his administration, he is already in a position to deny, because he did not know, or is it that he did not listen?

            If he does not listen to the briefings and see them as superfluous, that is not the attitude of someone that takes a new job with an attitude of success. Would you bring a new hire with no relevant previous experience, who thinks he or she knows it all? This one is too SMART to listen and learn as the rest of us mere mortals. So, he is smarter than all the men that have assumed the office before him and thus could dispense with information that they used.

            He is criticized by me in this matter as he deserves it

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            There is nothing unreasonable, irresponsible or negligent in these statements. What you hope to create is an atmosphere where the public will assume the next commander in chief is throwing caution to the wind and ignoring information. That is not what was said or implied in any of that article.
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            No, what I see a President that is content to wing it, taking an attitude never found in any of his predecessors, even REagan was smart enough to at least keep his mouth shut about the relevance of the briefings in his interaction with the public. He creates the atmosphere with his attitude and statements that already reflect poor judgement.

            if you really think that I am creating drama, perhaps you need to remove your Crimson tinted glasses and see the world in a new light?

            1. Live to Learn profile image81
              Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

              <bangsheadagainstwall>
              <Chooses to stop>

              1. Credence2 profile image85
                Credence2posted 4 months ago in reply to this

                Whatever, I have said my peace....

                1. Live to Learn profile image81
                  Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                  Me too. smile

        2. colorfulone profile image88
          colorfuloneposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          Why bother listening to anything that comes out of the White House or the government-corporate run mainstream media?   Its a bunch of lies and disinformation!  Hmmm...

          http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13316072.jpg
          People actually liked this BS tweet from POTUS.  Unbelievable!

          1. Credence2 profile image85
            Credence2posted 4 months ago in reply to this

            It has got to have more credibility than infowars or Brietbart.

            1. colorfulone profile image88
              colorfuloneposted 4 months ago in reply to this

              Only 6% of Americans think mainstream media is trustworthy. 
              Doesn't that tell you anything?

      2. colorfulone profile image88
        colorfuloneposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        CIA Admits Using News To Manipulate the USA (1975)
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ED63A_hcd0

        1. Will Apse profile image91
          Will Apseposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          This really is a big part of America's current problems. Watergate, the out of control CIA in the sixties and seventies, the long deception of the tobacco companies, the Contra affair, that nonsense with Iraq and WMD plus countless other lies and cover ups have made people distrust those American institutions that do cleave to the truth.

          All deception eats into the heart of a culture and the fake news stories which are commonplace today are the end result.

          Don't know how you fix it. There will certainly be no opportunity with a President who promised anything a person wanted to hear to get elected.

          Countries have a habit of getting what they deserve.

          edit: removed the 'few' from 'few American institutions that do cleave to the truth', it is probably an unfair assessment, on reflection.

      3. Kathleen Cochran profile image85
        Kathleen Cochranposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        colorfulone: " Trump is getting detailed intelligence briefings everyday from Booz Allen Hamilton, an NSA contractor, the largest private spy organization in the world. :  What's your source for this statement?

        1. colorfulone profile image88
          colorfuloneposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          Excuse me.  Trump has been getting briefs from namely Lockheed Martin, which joined together with Booz Allen. They are one and the same.  I read a lot and listen to Trump, I knew he was getting detailed intel briefs from somewhere knowing what he does.

  2. colorfulone profile image88
    colorfuloneposted 4 months ago

    I'm not sure intelligence briefs would help Obama.  What is the President talking about? Unbelievable.

    “Over the last eight years, no foreign terrorist organization has successfully planned and executed an attack on our homeland." 
    https://www.facebook.com/theACLJ/videos … 138005047/

    November 5, 2009: Fort Hood shooting
    February 18, 2010: 2010 Austin suicide attack
    September 1, 2010: Discovery Communications headquarters hostage crisis
    December 2, 2015: San Bernardino attack
    June 12, 2016: Orlando nightclub shooting
    September 17–19, 2016: New York and New Jersey bombings

    1. Credence2 profile image85
      Credence2posted 4 months ago in reply to this

      But Trump is off to a great start: plausible deniability.....in advance

  3. Kathleen Cochran profile image85
    Kathleen Cochranposted 4 months ago

    The man was elected by voters who choose which facts they like.  Why are we surprised that he chooses what information he wants to be bothered with?  It only sounds like the same thing day after day to him because he has no frame of reference.

    1. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      Facts they like? Interesting.

      Facts I liked include the fact that we had two horrendous candidates but since we knew exactly what we could expect from Hillary and any intelligent person knew full well that we could not survive a Hillary presidency then we were left with one option.

      1. Credence2 profile image85
        Credence2posted 4 months ago in reply to this

        That depends upon Yourpoint of view, only right wingers saw Hillary as the worse between the two. While righties want to dismiss this, I say that it is an omnibus harbinger as to how he is going to govern.

        He is going to be subject to constant criticism for things like this, so he had better watch his caboose.

        1. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          For goodness sake. We've already seen that he is going to be exposed to constant criticism for anything and everything; whether reasonable or warranted. It's funny because I rolled my eyes when the thread about Trump being Thor appeared but the left appears to see him as some seven headed monster of Biblical proportions.

          1. Credence2 profile image85
            Credence2posted 4 months ago in reply to this

            I will work to keep my criticism reasonable and avoid just bashing the man when it is not, even as I don't like him very much.



            He could have avoided the image of being 'a clown out of its element' by humoring the AMERICAN people by simply not making statements that indicate that he is not going to take the job seriously. Government thru absentia?

            Now that would have been SMART.

            1. Live to Learn profile image81
              Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

              Well, Credence I should be honest here. Just as Trump was with his statement. I don't think it is possible to imagine every scenario where some will jump to an unreasonable conclusion because they want to see bad in something. Everything said in that interview made it clear that he didn't want to have to waste time with repetitive things. He said, several times, that he would make it clear that he wanted to be briefed if, and when, a situation changed. That seems completely reasonable, to me.

              But, a general rule of thumb is that if people are going to continuously think the worst of you the only thing you can do is forge ahead, do what you consider to be best, and let the chips fall where they may; but don't spend a great deal of time attempting to please them as they don't appear to want to be pleased in the first place.

      2. Will Apse profile image91
        Will Apseposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        You are right, lol. So why did you play the nationalism card?

        1. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          I'm afraid these are the types of discombobulated discussions I prefer to avoid. If you can't keep your conversations straight, you simply assume too many things. I'm not going to argue everybody else's points; especially ones I don't agree with.

    2. Will Apse profile image91
      Will Apseposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      Lol. It must be like trying to explain chess to a three year old.

      1. Live to Learn profile image81
        Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        But, we do hope eventually the left will grow up enough to understand since they aren't really three year olds, no matter how they may act. smile

  4. colorfulone profile image88
    colorfuloneposted 4 months ago

    I like clowns!  Forget about the terrorist attacks on American soil!

    http://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13316088.jpg

  5. colorfulone profile image88
    colorfuloneposted 4 months ago

    Yeah, Obama made lots of promises to get elected.

    1. Will Apse profile image91
      Will Apseposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      That's interesting. Tell me a few that he reneged on. Not that I am an Obama fan, if you have some good fails, I would be delighted.

      Trump so far:

      The threat to prosecute Hilary Clinton is obviously not going to happen. Deafening silence on the wall thing (a few aides have talked about 'more fence'). Obamacare is not going to be wiped out, it seems (too popular and no thought through replacement for the 15 million using it).

      Will a cabinet full of Wall Street execs, big business figures and billionaires really get tough on people and corporations that invest abroad? Regulation is not going to appeal to that crowd.

      The guy is so unpredictable, you do not know what you are going to get. His family will probably have a bigger say than anyone else.

  6. Kathleen Cochran profile image85
    Kathleen Cochranposted 4 months ago

    LtL: "The one thing this whole episode has taught me is that the far left is no different from the far right."  THIS is the best thing you've ever written!  Could not agree more!

    1. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

      Son of a gun. I've said that about 10 times now. Glad you agree.

      1. Will Apse profile image91
        Will Apseposted 4 months ago in reply to this

        The far left? In the US you have a choice between right wing liberals and right wing right-wingers. Bernie would count as a left liberal perhaps. No US political party is going to champion decent wages, employment rights, paid vacations, maternity leave or genuinely affordable healthcare. Those things take money from wealthy investors and money is power.

        The history of the last forty years has been the gradual erosion of those rights ordinary folks won during the fifties and sixties. You ain't got much left to lose but its all in the cross hairs.

        1. Live to Learn profile image81
          Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

          ?? You're English. Correct? Living in England. Correct?

          1. Will Apse profile image91
            Will Apseposted 4 months ago in reply to this

            Half true. I am guessing you are wondering why I understand US politics better than many Americans.

            It's just another subject. And many have interested me over the years.

            To be honest, as soon as you understand how to handle facts in any area of knowledge you can quickly generalize. It is jut a question of putting in the hours.

            Anyway, carry on. I learn lot in these forums.

            1. Live to Learn profile image81
              Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

              You don't appear to have much of a handle on US politics. I was really just wondering if you don't have better things to do than worry about other people's business.

              But, carry on. If you're learning a lot I suppose that's a good thing.

              1. Will Apse profile image91
                Will Apseposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                US politics can be understood in many ways. Here are 3 options that are available to me and that relate to my previous contributions:

                1. Sit in a bar and talk to a gang of Americans (we have a few hundred where I live). Absorb the mindset. Ask a few questions. A couple of nights ago I talked to a group of young teachers from Michigan who boasted mournfully about their college debt. Later, some older Americans boasted about all the clever ways they had made money.

                2. Read a news article that says 40 per cent of Americans are 'contingent workers'. Google 'contingent worker', chose the most authoritative article, which happens to be from the US Department of Labor, skim it and pick out the main points:
                'Contingent arrangements allow some firms to maximize workforce flexibility',
                'contingent relationships [help companies and employees] evade their legal obligations',
                'contingent workers are drawn disproportionately from the most vulnerable sectors of the workforce'

                3. Listen to the oddballs in these forums, lol.

                There are many other ways to understand US politics, of course. How do you go about it?

              2. Credence2 profile image85
                Credence2posted 4 months ago in reply to this

                L to l it seems offensive to me to imply that our public forums discussing domestic matters are closed to those that are located abroad and are not Americans, or more simply don't agree with your point of view. The choices Americans make regarding the President are of valid concern to people around the globe. I want to hear what they think and find their thoughts relevant to the conversation.

                1. Will Apse profile image91
                  Will Apseposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                  Don't worry, I'm not offended.

                  I remember the American woman who taught me some Medieval History thirty years ago. She happened to be a world expert on brew wives, including those in the county where I was born. So there was this woman in London, who looked and sounded like Katherine Hepburn, talking about villages where I had chased girls ten years before but had more or less forgotten the names of.

                  She had never actually visited any of the villages in question but I have no reason to doubt the accuracy of her research.

                  Think straight and the facts talk for themselves.

                  1. Credence2 profile image85
                    Credence2posted 4 months ago in reply to this

                    That is good, with ascendency of the coming messiah, 'The Chosen One", the explanations for muzzling the free speech of others are expected to become all the more elaborate.

                  2. Live to Learn profile image81
                    Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                    I would think country of residency would not prohibit anyone from being expert on Medieval History. It's in the past. And, brew wives would fall into the same category, somewhat. I can also see why general knowledge of landscapes and geography could be attained through research.

                    Unfortunately, politics is a little more difficult. Your comment about there only being right wing liberals and right wing right wingers shows a bit of bias that I would expect from someone European. Nothing wrong with it.. I can easily understand an inability to understand what we call the far left and why we are leery of it.

                    Either way. I am not overly interested in your interest in our politics. Think as you will and enjoy it. I won't be reading any more of your posts on political subjects.

                2. GA Anderson profile image85
                  GA Andersonposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                  I am with you on this one buddy. And even if I were inclined to be dismissive about an 'outsider's' perspective - regarding American politics, it certainly would not be the Brits.

                  GA

                3. Live to Learn profile image81
                  Live to Learnposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                  I did not say they should be closed. Nor did I imply it. I said I wouldn't bother to read his posts. There is a big difference.

                  Heck. I'm fast movingto the point where I'd find it pointless to read your posts. That doesn't mean I don't think you should comment. Free country. Freedom of speech. I'm a big supporter of that. But supporting it doesn't mean I have to trudge through every close minded comment made.

                  1. Credence2 profile image85
                    Credence2posted 4 months ago in reply to this

                    You spoke about not reading his posts only after I made this post that you are commenting on.

                    If the only way that anybody merits your attention is if they agree with you, then it is best that you pack your things and move on. That is not what therest of us are here for. Your  complaint does not support the advocacy of Freedom of Speech in its spirit. 

                    And, you tell me that you are an impartial, moderate and reasonable voice?

                  2. Will Apse profile image91
                    Will Apseposted 4 months ago in reply to this

                    C'mon you said Obama promised everything his supporters wanted to hear and I asked you to name a few broken election promises. You could not, it seems. So you get upset and play the nationalist card.

                    Just put a little more work into this.

 
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