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Who else remembers a respectable news media In America ?

  1. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 2 months ago

    Not the sensationalizing  "face -book " mentality of todays mainstream news media .   Once ,  there was a time when  selling the headline was the profiteering, business  method of presenting the mainstream media ,   Sure profit , selling , circulation numbers  , even  some sensationalism was the norm .  But the integrity, honesty  ,  accuracy of media  was mostly  even flowing .

    It all came from a neutral  and politically ideological  standpoint !      Imagine that !

    I believe  WITHOUT a ideologically neutral mainstream  media  America cannot survive  without a definite and extreme  decline in " quality of life ,  liberty and a pursuit of happiness "   . This isn't just political .   In the long run  THIS present media  direction  only contributes to the  disintegration  of those qualities   !
    Who thinks  we are in  for decline ,Thoughts ?

    1. jackclee lm profile image74
      jackclee lmposted 2 months ago in reply to this

      The media is dead and has been for a while. The decline started in 2008 and has been going down and reached the bottom in 2016. It cannot go any lower. We now have fake news treated and reported by media as news. We now have open bias and they are even proud of it. We now have editorials in the main news page and even spills into sports and fashion pages...
      we now have media matters that suppose to check other news sites who themselves are biased...
      There are no jounalism standards, there are no right or wrong, there are no shame...
      The internet is the answer. It is now up to the people to determine for themselves what is truth and what is fake...It is the new age and the blame is squarely on the main street media who allow this to happen and participated in its own demise.

      1. ahorseback profile image49
        ahorsebackposted 2 months ago in reply to this

        Oh its true that we HAVE to do our own research for the most basic of truths in media  !   Media Maters IS HORRIBLE ,   I agree a hundred percent on your assessment !

        1. Credence2 profile image85
          Credence2posted 2 months ago in reply to this

          So what is your idea of credible media? Infowars, Brietbart, CmD, Fux News?

          1. ahorseback profile image49
            ahorsebackposted 2 months ago in reply to this

            Credence , IF the left would simply  admit that they  own ALL 90% of the media  ,as they should , I would have a heart attack.

            1. jonnycomelately profile image85
              jonnycomelatelyposted 2 months ago in reply to this

              (By the way, "the media" is not an it, but a they, plural, as I am sure were already aware. TV is a medium.  Newspapers are a medium, so is the Internet.)
              Now, back to the topic of discussion:  you are not being fare by pushing all blame onto the media.  They only put out what sells, what the viewing/reading/listening/surfing public want.
              Nothing works or has any effect without a careless, gullible audience that desires easily digestible news fodder where there's no need to think for themselves.
              Each of us, to some extent, searches for easy knowledge, unwilling or educationally unable to gain much deeper understanding even once we have looked up the knowledge. All it does is enhance our fear, sense of entrapment and helplessness.
              Hence that popular trend towards religion and political devisiveness.  We are looking for conviction and certainty - at least to the extent we convince our minds.
              Yet, the media moguls, the insurance companies, government administrators, church leaders, all continue to tar us with lies and uncertainty, with this they can more easily control our minds.  Fear!
              "I" can only change this by leaning to control my own mind, regardless of Media input.

              1. ahorseback profile image49
                ahorsebackposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                This response about Media [s]  is a joke !     That is suggesting  all sources of news  media are as fair and balanced as the mainstream media itself  actually was ?     Just because you look to  , for instance , face-book for honest  news , because you  like the sway of The Hill, or the Washington Post or Google news more than proves my point . You don't know what fair , balance , honest  truthful  News is to begin with. !

                I'm a conservative , I actually hate Rush Limbaugh , I always have ,  Why ?   because he is unbalanced in his beliefs and presentations  , he is extremely one sided in his opinions , Just like 90 % of what we now call  the mainstream media . ABC ,  MSNBC , CNN , MSN , AOL ,  GOOGLE < these companies of media should be ashamed of themselves .

                Last night Pres. Trump said all that needed to be said about the White House Press ,   As far as Trump supporters goes , it would be fine if he kicked them totally out of OUR white house ! Now !

                News media , medium , media's ,..... .you get my point !.

                1. jonnycomelately profile image85
                  jonnycomelatelyposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                  Ok, my spelling of "fare" was the wrong one.  Should have been fair.  But you unfairly twisted what I said: "... pushing all blame onto the media."  That does not imply, nor was it meant to, that all media are blameless.  Maybe it's the poet in you that tries to twist meanings....

                  Yes, you seem to be conservative, very.  And very one-sided, anti-"left" and anything you perceive to be anti-"socialist."  If you were to use a bit more intelligence, that which you claim conservatives have in abundance, then you would show much more credibility in this argument.  IMHO.

                  1. ahorseback profile image49
                    ahorsebackposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                    I'm really glad you added IMHO,    That shows the difference perhaps between you and most of the left ,    In America , had you not noticed , the new left is always right !

              2. Will Apse profile image91
                Will Apseposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                Religion is certainly most popular where life is most insecure. But, I see no reason to blame religion for insecure economic or social systems. That is a political failure.

                1. jonnycomelately profile image85
                  jonnycomelatelyposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                  Oh, I agree.   Blaming religion is false and pointless.  It's the human mind that influences religious trends, and political minds that chose to conveniently abuse the religiosity.
                  In seeing the failings and shortcomings of the human mind under various circumstances, I am much less likely to "blame," preferring to understand and appease where possible and appropriate.

          2. ahorseback profile image49
            ahorsebackposted 2 months ago in reply to this

            Mainstream news media , Fox = conservative . All the rest = liberal .

            1. Kathleen Cochran profile image85
              Kathleen Cochranposted 2 months ago in reply to this

              Good media has no label on it.

              1. ahorseback profile image49
                ahorsebackposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                Recounting the last three years for Democrats  In spite  of your promotion of and  strict adherence to
                    "Fake News ";.
                -    Hillary lost
                -    Bernie Lost
                -    Jill Stein Lost
                -    Gary Johnson Lost 
                -    The DNC totally  Lost
                -    You lost the House
                -    You lost the Congress
                -    You lost states offices
                -    You lost the Obama Legacy
                -    You lost the White House 
                -    You lost your minds .............Isn't it time to regroup and consider what" Fake" really is ?


                http://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13415925.jpg

                So Now , you continue your rants  about Trump with the same " Fake News " media , Is anyone starting to see why you can't get any traction ?
                I almost feel bad for you .

          3. GA Anderson profile image85
            GA Andersonposted 2 months ago in reply to this

            psst! Are you sure "Fux" News was what you were going for? I think that "au" combination is pretty necessary for that faux allusion.

            GA

    2. Don W profile image82
      Don Wposted 2 months ago in reply to this

      It's the media's job to report facts. If Trump and his band of merry morons lie about something, it's the media's job to report it. Not reporting it because Trump doesn't like it would be false reporting and propaganda.

      For example, why should the media ignore the fact that a senior figure in the administration has just resigned because FBI signals intelligence proves he lied about what he said to Russian officials? In what strange, messed up world do you live in, where you would think that's not major news, and shouldn't be covered in depth by the news media?

      1. ahorseback profile image49
        ahorsebackposted 2 months ago in reply to this

        Flynn's problem with Trump is an internal administrative one ! Simply put , why does the liberal media concern itself with internal administrative problems at the white house except to manipulate !   Your 90 % liberal media  is meddling where it doesn't belong as usual .

        If the media WOULD report facts it would totally amaze  a lot of  waiting people .

        Thanks for your contribution to "fake news" .

        1. Don W profile image82
          Don Wposted 2 months ago in reply to this

          The FBI finding out that the National Security Advisor is compromised by a foreign state, is not an "administrative" problem. It's a grave matter of national security.

          Please tell me exactly which of these facts is "fake"?

          Fact 1: Michael Flynn spoke to the Russian ambassador on the phone about sanctions

          Fact 2: The FBI intercepted the call

          Fact 3: Michael Flynn falsely told the FBI he did not speak to the Russian ambassador about sanctions (a federal offense)

          Fact 4: Michael Flynn falsely told the Vice President and others he did not speak to the Russian ambassador about sanctions

          Fact 5: The Vice President appeared in the media saying Flynn told him he did not speak to the Russian ambassador about sanctions

          Fact 6: At this point Flynn is compromised. The Russians could blackmail him by threatening to reveal that he lied to the Vice President. That disclosure would also reveal that Flynn had lied to the FBI too. So an adversarial foreign state now had leverage over the country's National Security Advisor. Only the diligence of the FBI prevented that leverage from being used.

          Fact 7: The FBI told the DoJ that the National Security Advisor was compromised by a foreign state

          Fact 8: The DoJ informed the president that the National Security Advisor was compromised by a foreign state

          Fact 9: The president allowed Flynn to remain a member of the National Security Council for three weeks, after being informed he was compromised by a foreign state

          Fact 10: The president allowed Flynn to remain National Security Advisor for three weeks, after being informed he was compromised by a foreign state

          Fact 11: A whistleblower from within the administration gave this information to news reporters

          Fact 12: The public was made aware, after the media published the information

          Which of these facts are you disputing?

          1. jackclee lm profile image74
            jackclee lmposted 2 months ago in reply to this

            Your logic is not valid. It starts by Flynn did not break any law. He is allowed to speak with the Russian ambassador. His sin was not telling the VP or the FBI what was discussed. He can say he forgot the details which if you recall during the Hillary hearings "i don't recall" used too many times.
            So he is out of a job for lack of trust and nothing else. You happy now?

            1. Don W profile image82
              Don Wposted 2 months ago in reply to this

              Read each of those facts again (especially number 6) and think about the full ramifications of the situation, then you may have something useful to say.

              And I repeat the same question to you as I did to ahorseback. Exactly which of the facts I have outlined, which have all been reported by the media, is fake?

              1. jackclee lm profile image74
                jackclee lmposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                What law did he brake by talking to the Russian Ambassador? If you can't answer that, you can't ask any more questions.

                1. PhoenixV profile image79
                  PhoenixVposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                  http://www.wnd.com/files/2016/07/Hillary-TW4.jpg
                  Now remember, if you were going on and on and on about Russians you would be labeled a xenophobe. A good rule of thumb is that its okay to sell uranium to Russians,  just don't know any Russians.

                  1. jackclee lm profile image74
                    jackclee lmposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                    For the best explanation on this topic -

                    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 … ambassador

                2. Don W profile image82
                  Don Wposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                  I can ask as many questions as I choose. Whether you answer or not is your business.

                  Does it say anywhere in the facts below that Flynn broke the law?

                  If so, where?

                  Do you understand what "compromised by a foreign state" means?

                  Exactly which of the facts below, as reported by the media, is fake?

                  See, that's three more questions than last time.

                  Am I now on the list of people who need to be sent for "re-education"? (oops that's four now)
                  ______________________________

                  Fact 1: Michael Flynn spoke to the Russian ambassador on the phone about sanctions

                  Fact 2: The FBI intercepted the call

                  Fact 3: Michael Flynn falsely told the FBI he did not speak to the Russian ambassador about sanctions (a federal offense)

                  Fact 4: Michael Flynn falsely told the Vice President and others he did not speak to the Russian ambassador about sanctions

                  Fact 5: The Vice President appeared in the media saying Flynn told him he did not speak to the Russian ambassador about sanctions

                  Fact 6: At this point Flynn is compromised. The Russians could blackmail him by threatening to reveal that he lied to the Vice President. That disclosure would also reveal that Flynn had lied to the FBI too. So an adversarial foreign state now had leverage over the country's National Security Advisor. Only the diligence of the FBI prevented that leverage from being used.

                  Fact 7: The FBI told the DoJ that the National Security Advisor was compromised by a foreign state

                  Fact 8: The DoJ informed the president that the National Security Advisor was compromised by a foreign state

                  Fact 9: The president allowed Flynn to remain a member of the National Security Council for three weeks, after being informed he was compromised by a foreign state

                  Fact 10: The president allowed Flynn to remain National Security Advisor for three weeks, after being informed he was compromised by a foreign state

                  Fact 11: A whistleblower from within the administration gave this information to news reporters

                  Fact 12: The public was made aware, after the media published the information

                  1. jackclee lm profile image74
                    jackclee lmposted 2 months ago in reply to this

                    Your judgement is clouded by TDS. Give it a rest.

    3. oceansnsunsets profile image89
      oceansnsunsetsposted 2 months ago in reply to this

      I do!  I remember a respectable news media, when journalists reported in a way that seems So foreign now.  Of COURSE we are seeing the fall out from it, especially people that believe in a manner that really turns out to be "side taking."  People aren't being critical thinkers anymore, and employing such poor thinking that we see a lot of unrest.  Then when they see the unrest and anger and rage, they look for an explanation for it, and the majority of the current media feeds into their minds the reasons they want to explain all of the unrest, anger and rage.  Its a vicious cycle and the most alarming is that people don't care, and I think they really might believe the lies they hear and then repeat.  The combination of just these facts enables an environment for decline and destruction, all the while finger pointing.

      Oh how I wish for more reasonableness, morality, logic, critical thinking.  The funny part is, people think that by hoping to force wanted views onto others will somehow change the world to a better place or to their way of thinking things should be.  The thing is, truth and facts don't bend to people's wants and bad thinking, but that is not all.  It isn't "free".  One can be on the very wrong side of things, and think they are right, and they can still be hurt by this for lack of paying attention and responding in a more truthful and reasonable way.  There is great cost.  So I hope all will consider testing their own views the hardest of all, but there is also a second component.  After testing one's views, one needs to care about what is good and true in the first place.  I am not sure many are there anymore, whereas before, it was safe to assume most people cared about what is good and true and reasonable.

  2. Live to Learn profile image80
    Live to Learnposted 2 months ago

    With the advent of the internet news outlets were faced with the problem of being the first with breaking news so fact checking slowly took a back seat. And, with all of the biased 'news' sources on the internet it is not difficult to understand why the traditional news outlets began to lean toward bias also. But, honestly, the news outlets have always used their platform to attempt to sway public opinion. If you doubt, think about reporting on any local news you know of. How close does the media come to reporting facts in an unbiased manner?

    1. ahorseback profile image49
      ahorsebackposted 2 months ago in reply to this

      As an older dude , I see that ideologically  liberal persuasion of younger and minority  generations by 90 % of our media - very clearly !

      They will in TOO in time .  But it'll be too late .

      1. Live to Learn profile image80
        Live to Learnposted 2 months ago in reply to this

        As an older dude you might simply be refusing to take all sides into account.

        1. ahorseback profile image49
          ahorsebackposted 2 months ago in reply to this

          Problem is , When your "all sides "  is slanted almost entirely left !  It's so obvious that the news media  wants a politician  to quiver  when dealing with them - Trump will not back down .

          This left ideological slant and their love affair with the mainstream media  is a huge problem for all  democracy, which the left  supposedly -SO  adores ! , The Pravda-ization  of the American mainstream news media is happening right before ALL our eyes . The same thing happened in every country that has and had  fallen to  communism and  socialism . Russia , Germany , Italy  ,  Poland ,  you name the country that fell and see ----------that their  actual news media integrity  fell first .

          Trump nailed it last night and hopefully  he will oust  this leftist  media  from OUR white house until they start neutralizing the message .  I watch multiple sources of news and  THEY ARE HORRIBLY LEFT SLANTED.

  3. Kathleen Cochran profile image85
    Kathleen Cochranposted 2 months ago

    In 1971, the first rule of journalism I learned in college was to be objective.  They showed us a film (no DVDs or video in the 70s) of three news anchors reading the same story.  One was told to give it a positive tone, one a negative tone, and one to be as objective as possible.  In the class of 200 students, we were fairly split on who thought which anchor was doing what.  Turned out, each one had been instructed to read the story as objectively as possible.  The lesson:  For all your best efforts, people will see what they are looking for.  The best you can do is to be as objective as you can be.

    Lesson for today?  As soon as a media outlet brands themselves with a point of view - run - do not walk - to the nearest exit.  They've failed their first responsibility as journalists.

    1. jackclee lm profile image74
      jackclee lmposted 2 months ago in reply to this

      Very true. However, read the book Bias by Bernard Goldberg who worked at CBS for many years...
      There are bias by people in newsrooms that are inherent and therefore unavoided... They can pass a lie detector test and yet still be biased. It is part of what is called group think. When 90% of the people you see and interact with agrees with everything you belief, it is hard not to show bias. To that person, being themselves is the bias...what they see as the norm is not what the American people see. There lies the problem. To cure this type of bias, they need to fire most of the staff and start from scratch and the same goes with the Academia, unfortunately, they all have tenure...we just have to wait till they retire...haha

      1. Kathleen Cochran profile image85
        Kathleen Cochranposted 2 months ago in reply to this

        I think it was CBS's Dan Rather who wrote a book about the dangers of so much of the traditional media being based in NYC and DC.  It inherently gives them a specific point of view, as if the rest of America doesn't exist.  I'd like to see the headquarters for more news organizations located in other big cities, like Dallas, Chicago, St. Louis - in other words, in the heartland of our country.  Unfortunately, that will not happen as long as these two cities are the capitals of our nation's wealth, travel, communications, and powerbrokers.

        1. jackclee lm profile image74
          jackclee lmposted 2 months ago in reply to this

          Yes but that does not matter if they hire people of various background. You can be located in NY or DC but still come from Dallas and Minnisota...and else where...
          It is the ideology that is too narrow, and not the physical location. I live in NY a blue state and yet I am conservative. There are people living in Houston that are progressive...so what?
          What is needed is a diversity of views on the top news channels and newspapers...and campuses.

      2. promisem profile image92
        promisemposted 2 months ago in reply to this

        I suggest you ask permission to attend a news meeting at the nearest daily newspaper to see the hoops reporters and editors go through to avoid bias.

        Then sit through the entire editing process with the reporter and the multiple editors who view a story and question that reporter about using multiple sources, why a sentence was written a certain way, whether both sides were fairly represented on the issue, etc., all to avoid bias and ensure accuracy.

        Then sit by the phone next to the reporter and listen to people scream at him or her about being a liberal and then to people scream at him or her about being a conservative -- all in response to the same story.

  4. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 2 months ago

    The "mainstream media " has  evolved to a point where truth , fact ,  honesty in presentation is  boring , unsellable , unprofitable .  The presentation of truth BY this media is now an opinion column.  They know it , the right knows it , the left knows it .

    As I watch the main actors in media , I realize they are younger , less wise and far more programmable  in their personal  perceptions of fact , truth and yes , even  honesty .  They need to all go back , way back   ,to be  schooled  in what the reality of one truth  really is  .

    1. jonnycomelately profile image85
      jonnycomelatelyposted 2 months ago in reply to this

      Well, you seem to be steeped in McCarthyism, so why not get yourself another Joseph McCarthy for this modern era?  That might well turn out to be your Trump card for all we know.  And, while you are at it, another Edgar J. Hoover, to get rid of all that heavily-biased dust gathering under your bed?

      I don't know where we start in cleaning up the mess we have made for this world.  We older folk maybe don't have the time left to do much about it, but.....what sort of example do we need to be offering?

      There are a great number of young people who are looking to us for some kind of guidance.  Are we up to it?

      1. ahorseback profile image49
        ahorsebackposted 2 months ago in reply to this

        Yes Johnny ,  we are up to teaching Tolerance !

        The youth of all generations tuned into politics are always gravitated to fixed ideologies .    Hoover ? No , a freak of nature  !    McCarthy ?No   shortsightedness  in spades ,  We  should have taught our youth  tolerance first , second and last .

        Instead what they have learned is a fived and determined  IN -tolerance  of all things uncomfortable  , sad part is ; They have evolved to this point from being taught by the "best " of the sixties generation .

        1. jonnycomelately profile image85
          jonnycomelatelyposted 2 months ago in reply to this

          I do try to see issues from more than one perspective.  I am not totally "left," nor totally "conservative."

          I do understand the some of the financial and economic needs for business ventures to succeed and thrive.  Good management, personal and corporate discipline, avoiding greed and laziness, getting up and out to do the work when it must be done, not when it's just nice and pleasant to do it. 

          Also, I can see that the workforce includes not just the guys on the ground floor doing the drudgery, but also competent and hard-working executive/management jobs, that are vitally important to the success of a business and its "sustainable" existence.

          Many a "left-winger" has never had the experience or insight to understand this.  YET:  it often happens that it's those who are on the ground level who can see a different perspective which is obscure from those at the "top."

          I have often seen in these HubPages forums, self-serving conservative opinions which trash the very idea of anthropogenic global warming and climate change.  It takes a down-to-earth honesty to see and appreciate the reality of this phenomenon.  Without the shouting and protesting of what you might call the "liberalists," none of this would get out to the world consciousness.  Certainly those who think they stand to lose a pocketful of cash, if things are made to change, will fight tooth and nail to maintain the status quo, painting and preserving the lies and camouflage that will bring about wholesale destruction of this our fragile planet.

          I have just been watching a YouTube video of huge chunks of ice breaking up of the coast of Greenland.  If you can find it, I recommend watching.  It's real, factual, awesome and horrible to contemplate.  Yet we humans are in a position to do at least something about it if we take of our rose-tinted spectacles.

          En.newsner.com/man-points-camera-at-ice-then-captures-the-unimaginable-on-film/about/nature

          (Sorry if this does not open for you, but my Facebook skills are limited)

          Once again, IMHO.

  5. ahorseback profile image49
    ahorsebackposted 2 months ago

    Johnny , All twelve of your points are uselessly posted , Why ?
    The FBI -DOJ says Flynn broke no laws ," There will be no investigation ".
    Your     #ed  list is YOUR way of justifying Fake News .

    Ever heard "If you tell a lie enough times it becomes truth "?   Congratulations , you fell for it .

  6. Kathleen Cochran profile image85
    Kathleen Cochranposted 2 months ago

    My theory is TV news started going downhill when newsbroadcasts started including the name of the anchor in the title.  CNN used to stand above the rest because with a 24-hour format and too many anchors to remember, the news was still the star of the show.  That soon went by the wayside.

    When the government gave away the airways, all they asked for was 30 minutes each night for public information.  Their mistake was not making that 30 minutes advertisement free.

  7. Kathleen Cochran profile image85
    Kathleen Cochranposted 2 months ago

    Probably only 8% of journalists consider themselves conservative because they stay informed on a daily basis, adjusting their views to the information that changes daily, instead of clinging, irrationally, to closely held beliefs even in the face of reality.

    1. Live to Learn profile image80
      Live to Learnposted 2 months ago in reply to this

      I'm sorry but I find that funny. Considering the news media coverage of the election and its outcome I'd say that might better describe the left leaning media.

    2. promisem profile image92
      promisemposted 2 months ago in reply to this

      A recent study found that 50% of journalists describe themselves as political independents, 28% as Democrats, 7% as Republicans and 15% as Other.

      What's interesting is that the number of journalists who describe themselves as Republican used to be 28% of the total. Many of them have bailed out as the party moves farther and farther to the right.

      Fortunately, that 50% who are independents is growing in size as more journalists recognize the need to avoid any affiliation.

      1. jackclee lm profile image74
        jackclee lmposted 2 months ago in reply to this

        I don't know where you got those numbers, but I would guess they are lying. The estimate is 90% liberal and 10% conservative. The same ratio in academia.

        1. promisem profile image92
          promisemposted 2 months ago in reply to this

          http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/201 … can-188053

          I respect the fact that you try to be civil with other posters and try to raise the level of debate on this site. I also respect your right to hold beliefs that are more conservative than mine.

          But more of us need to get past one side versus the other and find some common ground for the truth.

          1. jackclee lm profile image74
            jackclee lmposted 2 months ago in reply to this

            Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment.

 
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