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Jeff Sessions and Obama Wire Tapping

  1. peoplepower73 profile image85
    peoplepower73posted 3 weeks ago

    Isn't interesting at the same time Jeff Sessions has said that he talked to Russia, Trump is accusing Obama of wire tapping him?  And Trump has no evidence to support his claims.  I believe this is another one of Trump's distractions to take the heat off of him and Jeff Sessions for interacting with Russia.  Trump and his crew do it  by repeating lies , deflect, divert, distract,bullying, and intimidating.  If you watch CNN, you get one reality.  If you watch Fox news, it is a totally different reality.  Trump supporters will believe him without any evidence to support his claims.  As Trump would say, "sad, very sad."

    1. dianetrotter profile image82
      dianetrotterposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      People, it looks like Putin thought he stood a better change with Trump than HRC.  He didn't expect this to blow up in his face.

      DJT figured, "What the heck!  He likes me and I like me so we agree!"  Why would they have to lie about meeting with the Russians.  If they were meeting with many diplomats, just say so!

      I'm trying to not watch news.  It repeats over and over and adds a nugget or two each hour.

      Many people are going to be embarrassed or humiliated by delaying the inevitable ... the truth.

    2. jackclee lm profile image77
      jackclee lmposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      True, so far there is no evidence. However, what we have in Washington DC is unprecedented. You have a former President, staying in DC along with many of his surrogates. They are doing their best to undermine and detract a new president of achieving his campaign promise to the voters.
      This whole Russia thing is a fishing expedition. Nothing illegal has happened with all the leaks and talks and meetings...  Why is this a big news story covered wall to wall? 
      As a conservative and a non-Trump supporter, I see the bias and the corruption of the media and it is not going to end well for all. If nothing gets done in the next 100 days, who do you think will be blamed?
      The stock market is a forward leading indicator. It is anticipating some good results on all fronts, jobs, tax reduction, borders, and healthcare reform. If non of those things happen by Congress, the Democrat obstructionist will be blamed for the most part. That is my honest opinion and you can take it or leave it.
      Your party has mis read the last election and it is going on with TDS and it is not pretty. Americans in general, do not like a whiner and a sore loser.

      1. peoplepower73 profile image85
        peoplepower73posted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        Jack:  Is all of this your opinion or do you have sources for your information?  What is TDS? I agree the dems did misread the election.  But that does not mean they misread everything. Is there any proof that Obama is staying in DC to undermine Trump.  I know Steve Bannon is the one  who said that Obama wire tapped Trump, but there is no evidence.

        Nothing illegal has happened because they refuse to do an investigation.  The republicans are quick and thorough to investigate democrats but not the other way around.  Trump has created the notion of bias in the media MSM.  I watch both CNN and fox news and they are too separate realities that people are living in. You think MSM is biased and corrupt and I think fox news is. Breitbart and Alt right are fake news.

        Right now Trump is creating a smoke screen so that he and all his cohorts can not be investigated for collusion with the Russians.  Why is it that democrats are guilty until proven innocent and republicans are innocent until proven guilty?  There is no proof Obama has done anything illegal, but yet Trump wants an investigation that will probably go on for years.  Just like his investigation of illegal voting.  He makes accusations and then others have to prove him right or wrong.  It was the same thing with the birther movement.  Don't you think this eats up time, energy, and tax payers money?  Republicans are great at investigating the other side, but they are terrible at making legislation.  How many laws did they pass under Obama?  But how many investigations did they have and how long did they last?  How much did they cost tax payers? And what was the results?  Trump got elected.

        If things go wrong, the republicans will have no one to blame but themselves because they control both house of congress and the executive branch.

        1. jackclee lm profile image77
          jackclee lmposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome...

      2. crankalicious profile image85
        crankaliciousposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        There's not a single shred of evidence that President Obama has done anything to underminde President Trump. As a matter of fact, and according to President Trump, he was very helpful in the transition. On the other hand, evidence is piling up that Trump's administration has done all kinds of illegal things. What's the last administration where one of the top officials had to resign because of possible treason?

        Either provide sources for your accusations or you are just another conspiracy theorist with 0 credibility.

        1. jackclee lm profile image77
          jackclee lmposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          Ok, by your assessment of the situation, where are the intelligence leaks coming from?
          Use your logic and tell us who is doing the leaking and why?

          Also, where is the treason you speak of? If laws were broken, let the charges fly...

          You are blinded by your own bias. There were many treasonous acts by the Obama admin. over the last 8 years and not a peep from Dem. or the GOP.

          By any legal assessment, Obama should have been impeached yet, Congress did nothing.
          http://www.westernjournalism.com/obamas … -offenses/

          1. crankalicious profile image85
            crankaliciousposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Your response is unintelligible.

    3. dianetrotter profile image82
      dianetrotterposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      People, POTUS should be required to have an MRI on his head.  Something is terribly wrong with him.  I am more concerned with the people that enable him on a daily basis.  Reince Priebus and Sean Spicer have become fodder for all kinds of jokes.  They had good reputations before this.

      Sara Huckabee and Mike Huckabee, professing Christians, are accountable to God for their support of Trump's lies.  I don't understanding the undying, eternal devotion to DJT by educated, intelligent people that are close to him.  Those closest to him are able to watch his behavior and see him speak.  They KNOW something is wrong.

      Maybe he just needs a laxative?  Or maybe he is getting dementia?  or something?  It should be checked out.

      1. ahorseback profile image48
        ahorsebackposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        You should truly learn to gage reality in main [left ]stream news media's by watching more than the likes of MSNBC and  NPR ,    If I watch   for instance , CNN alone , I would be emoting my way through politics  as if  Ivanka's clothing fads were the reason that Trump won the election , Or  someone like Brian William comes to tears  about  Russian  hacking scams .

        1. dianetrotter profile image82
          dianetrotterposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          I can't understand anyone willing believing the outlandish claims POTUS is making.  This one about the wiretapping may be one that he will regret.  The claims of wiretapping are POTUS words ... not a twist by anyone.  His tweets are admissable in court so he should really be careful.

    4. ahorseback profile image48
      ahorsebackposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      Your  thread  , just like the rest of the left-stream media  fantasy of Russian hacking  is awarded the annual  Clark Kent  Journalism award ! 
      https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13441673.png

      We are all so lucky to have this present day totally  honorable left-stream media to first create  the fallacy of a crime  ,  direct the blame towards the right of course  and  then present the best cure .

      Impeach Trump Now  - He simply HAS to  be a Russian spy !

    5. dianetrotter profile image82
      dianetrotterposted 9 days ago in reply to this

      Meanwhile, back at the wiretapping ranch, POTUS is left standing to continue the lie.  Poor Sean Spicer, I believe, is pissed because he has to justify the lie.

      1. Will Apse profile image89
        Will Apseposted 9 days ago in reply to this

        If anyone wants a personal opinion:

        It is depressing to see the US hamstrung by a president who commands less and less respect. Every time the guy opens his mouth he loses allies. Most telling headline of the week:

        "Congress showing signs of being tired of Trump's nonsense"

        The entire Western liberal project is coming apart. That means democratic values are all seeming less and less attractive to anyone who does not already have them in their bloodstream.

        Russia and China are being handed the world on a plate.

        1. ahorseback profile image48
          ahorsebackposted 9 days ago in reply to this

          For once we agree !    Obama was hamstrung - Trump is now being hamstrung -   Saul Alinsky   and   Rush Limbaugh  are  doing the happy dance .

    6. dianetrotter profile image82
      dianetrotterposted 8 days ago in reply to this

      https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13453238_f1024.jpg

      For sake of discussion

    7. dianetrotter profile image82
      dianetrotterposted 4 days ago in reply to this

      People, I don't know.  The subject is wiretapping.  That lie got busted wide open yesterday and nobody is talking about it.

      Plus the POTUS and campaign staff are being investigated for crimes.

      Wow!

    8. Ewent profile image82
      Ewentposted 2 days ago in reply to this

      The reality of being an adult with a rational mind is that if you have evidence, you show it or hand it over. Trump has NO evidence. All he has are constant distractions to avoid any further investigations. He has used just about every trick in the book to sabotage investigations of his linkage to Russia. He obviously thinks those of us in the NY/NJ Metro area have no recollection of his bragging on YouTube about having "many" businesses in Russia in an October 17, 2013, appearance on the David Letterman show.

      He must also think we have all forgotten how his son appeared in front of Russian Investors in Moscow in 2008.

      The more Trump fights being investigated, the guiltier he appears. What is he hiding?

      Since he is aided and abetted by Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House in sabotaging all investigations, therefore, it is highly possible that dozens of Republicans are as complicit in the Russian hacking into the election.

      I don't buy the malarkey that it had "no influence on the election." Who but Trump was running against Hillary in the final months of the campaign? Who else COULD it influence?

      The greater question at this point is not so much that Trump is linked to Russia. That one is easiest to prove. What has to be proven now is just how the Republican Party sought to sabotage Hillary's campaign. If they used a single bit of Russian propaganda lies to smear her, they are as guilty as Trump. If that 11 hour McCarthy style interrogation of Hillary over Benghazi isn't proof of Republican sabotage, the fact that Republican Benghazi Chair, Trey Gowdy, edited Hillary's emails. Were these edited emails from Russian hackers? Until we hold the Republican Party's feet to the fire, we can't know what exactly their role in the 2016 election sabotage attempts were.

      1. peoplepower73 profile image85
        peoplepower73posted 46 hours ago in reply to this

        Ewent:  An excellent reply.  He will never apologize to Obama and that speaks volumes about his character.

        1. ahorseback profile image48
          ahorsebackposted 44 hours ago in reply to this

          So far,  "No evidence of Russian influence "- The FBI .      And the investigation into Obama  monitoring Trump - post election-prior to inauguration  is already producing evidence and being investigated .   

          These would never have been issues at all if Obama's  socialistically ideology and  biased  influence hadn't infiltrated every  office of the DOJ , the FBI ,  CIA ,IRS ,  ............Your government offices neutrality and  integrity is totally compromised by Obama's administration and that doesn't even phase you ?

          1. peoplepower73 profile image85
            peoplepower73posted 42 hours ago in reply to this

            ahorseback:  Sure just blame everything on Obama and the bleeding heart liberals.  That's very easy to do because they are not in a position to defend themselves. So like you say, get it line and bring it on.

            1. ahorseback profile image48
              ahorsebackposted 42 hours ago in reply to this

              Your vote   allowed Obama a fee pass to dismantle  every Government Intelligence  agency  and the DOJ . to departments of  liberal activism  ,   You thus allowed your leader to absolutely destroy  all American's confidence  in these offices ,   Now ,    you are using these offices as political tools to  promote one ideology . I actually don't care about blaming Obama - but I   blame the people who elected him and now lie about a fairly useless and destructive  Presidential legacy .
              You voted for him I didn't.

              1. Credence2 profile image84
                Credence2posted 41 hours ago in reply to this

                Read the banner headline: Donald Trump screws up big time in the health care debate, and this is just the beginning.

                You voted for him, I didn't.

                1. ahorseback profile image48
                  ahorsebackposted 41 hours ago in reply to this

                  That's simply a liberal dodge and duck - You knew it was already failing and still supported it .
                  Obama-Care  was an Obama invention AND failure ,   I say let it play out and watch liberals whine about its end !

              2. peoplepower73 profile image85
                peoplepower73posted 34 hours ago in reply to this

                ahorseback:  So now you are blaming me for what you perceive as Obama failures?  Talk about dismantling agencies, Trump has appointed people that hate the agencies they are in charge of, just so they can dismantle them.  I think you are confused of the facts.  What is it that you think we are lying about?

                1. ahorseback profile image48
                  ahorsebackposted 29 hours ago in reply to this

                  Obama is proving out to have been the very anti- American  destructive " leader" that you and  even he were  so proud of stating  and proving from the beginning .  Your FBI ,  DOJ, and  federal courts  have been infiltrated by his activist minions bent on    crushing our  traditional form of government    . Congratulations BUT  its not over yet , the "Watergate "bugging of the Trump Tower is going to stain his legacy in immeasurable ways ,   Those  investigations are just beginning . When his  legacy is impeached - so then is the lefts and those who profess its glory .  .     Good luck gaining back the house or congress or the white house then  ,..... I hear your Hilary has one more run in her , be proud !

                  1. Ewent profile image82
                    Ewentposted 24 hours ago in reply to this

                    Mention the name "Obama" and the Corn Pones and Mutton Chops Stars and Bars Confederates go berserk. The name "Obama" seems to stick a fork in their behinds because as we all know, most low to middle class southern and midwesterners come from ancesters who were Brit indentured slaves. I guess when you are a toffee nosed white whose great great grandpappies were shipped to the colonies because you couldn't pay your bills, you would adore Trump, a Grifter, who uses other people like Kleenex disposable tissue and then when they fall for his ACT, end up getting stiffed. Ask the NY Banks why the Trump name is toxic. For that matter, ask any of his hotel and casino contractors and employees why they want to do a Jimmy Hoffa on Trump.

                    Sorry, but Trump's reputation precedes him in the Metro Area. We could ignore his 70s Coke Nose days, his 80s disco clubbing and trying to get in with the Knickerbocker blue noses who whispered, "NOCD" (Not Our Class Dahling) whenever he passed. But now, after his 90s wild spending spree, buying a QE II sized yacht, Mar-a-Lago and having the ego jolt of Ivana and Marla fighting over him like two golddigging cats while he was still married to Ivana and busy impregnating Marla, he has lost all bank credit in the US.

                    This explains why only an exchange bank like Deutschebank in NY deals with his money laundering. The reality is that a presidential candidate who has had a U.S. Treasury fine for $25 million for money laundering in the Tah Mahal casino, should NEVER have been allowed to run at all.

                    If the right wingers and Republicans had this on Obama, they'd have been howling like Banshees.

                  2. Melissa Carlson profile image60
                    Melissa Carlsonposted 10 hours ago in reply to this

                    nice

  2. crankalicious profile image85
    crankaliciousposted 2 weeks ago

    Here's a tweet by Trump:

    “We pay for Obama’s travel so he can fundraise millions so Democrats can run on lies. Then we pay for his golf.” A year later, as a presidential candidate, Trump declared that if he were in office, he’d dispense with breaks. “I’d want to stay in the White House and work my ass off,” he told voters.

    This is from October 2014.

    Here's a fact: so far during his presidency, he's spent 31% of his time at Mar-a-Lago. People who are wealthy enough get direct access to him and some of his cabinet. Those trips are costing the taxpayers $3 million per trip. It's also costing local government a ton.

  3. peoplepower73 profile image85
    peoplepower73posted 2 weeks ago

    Jack:  You are going to have to learn to read the "About" link in your news sources.  This site just collects blogs.  Here is what their About page says.

    "Western Journalism is a news company that drives positive cultural change by equipping and informing people with truth. It hosts WesternJournalism.com, a news website and blogging platform built for conservative, libertarian, free market and pro-family writers and broadcasters. The platform hosts hundreds of bloggers, and our content is widely distributed using social media. New blogs are able to be successfully launched using the platform because of the large audience actively served.

    WesternJournalism.com is a property of Liftable Media Inc., a Top 100 digital publisher in the U.S. (Quantcast)."

    1. jackclee lm profile image77
      jackclee lmposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      That may be so but Obama did do many unConstitutional acts while President, including the IRS, the wiretapping of foreign leaders, the influence of Israeli elections, and executive action to change immigration laws...all were ignored by Congress. Why is that? If Trump had dine any of those, they would be calling for his impeachment...

  4. jackclee lm profile image77
    jackclee lmposted 2 weeks ago

    Your perceived reality is different from many others.
    To many, Trump is the sane one trying to fix Washington DC and the biased media and the broken immigration and intelligence community. There is something wrong with our government and the press when they focus on fake stories and detract from the real problems... I don't think the Russian hacking is a real story or scandal... The real story is these leaks coming from the intelligence community who ever is leaking is undermining our government. It is treason and when found should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

    1. crankalicious profile image85
      crankaliciousposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      So if it turns out Trump and his administration colluded with the Russians the real story is that it got leaked?

      I do agree that our perceived realities are different though.

      In mine, for instance, climate change is a real thing because science says it is. In my reality, evolution is the most valid explanation for how humans developed on earth because science says so. Those are just a few examples.

      1. jackclee lm profile image77
        jackclee lmposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        So what did the Russian and Trump team colluded on?
        Did any intelligence legal or otherwise uncover any smoking gun?
        If not, what is the crime? Or Is this a fishing expedition?
        .
        As far as other views. You are correct we differ on it as well.
        I am a climate change skeptic.
        I have studied this issue for over 20 years and found the claims too extreme and little scientific basis.
        I also have issues with the theory of evolution as it is taught.
        The science and engineering background I have studied, does not fit with how humans are evolved.
        There has no prove of a missing link from one species to another.
        I can go into details about various biological systems that defy the statistical odds.
        The chance of a human eye developing by natural selection is close to nil.

        1. jackclee lm profile image77
          jackclee lmposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          Here is my hub on climate change debate - with doc_snow another hubber,
          http://hubpages.com/education/Climate-C … e-Are-They

          1. crankalicious profile image85
            crankaliciousposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Not interested in reading because you are not a climate scientist and are wrong. Perhaps you'd like to give me some advice on flying a plane or brain surgery too?

            Little scientific basis? That's a guffaw statement if ever I've heard one. What else are you a skeptic about? Gravity?

  5. Kathleen Cochran profile image84
    Kathleen Cochranposted 2 weeks ago

    Ooooooooo - shiny thing!

  6. stephenteacher profile image85
    stephenteacherposted 2 weeks ago

    Somebody recorded phone calls and released the transcripts. They recorded Flynn and the Russian ambassador. Now, where did that come from? Who ordered it? That is a question that needs to be answered. Who let the CIA be hacked? Who gave all that info to wikileaks? So much hacking happened under Obama, it's not even funny anymore.

    1. ahorseback profile image48
      ahorsebackposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      Given all of the Obama-fication  of ALL the branches of the federal government , the compromising of ethics , integrity , honor of the  FBI ,CIA , IRS , DOJ ,  EPA ?   you mean ?  ..... Gee , ...........I too wonder where all the leaks originated , Not ! 

      How about this ? Obama  ordered  and- or allowed   the total  compromising of ethics  in government !
      The IRS investigated his  conservative opponents ,  The DOJ, compromised from within its top leadership alone for the benefit of Hillary ,    turned a blind eye to partisan distemper and discourse  within the once esteemed  and ethical branches of the federal government ;      And the  world wonders why Russia , for one ,  knows more about our government operations and  divide than THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO  ?

      I don't care that the Russians hacked us , our enemies can be so dealt with , But when our leaders compromise the integrity of the federal branches of government , Its treasonous .

      https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13440073.jpg

      This is what happens when a "leader "becomes a Messiah

      1. crankalicious profile image85
        crankaliciousposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        Alternative facts. Trump has had more ethical problems in one month than Obama had in 8 years. Trump has played more golf in one month than Obama played in one year. The above is what happens when you watch and listen to too much fact-free news.

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          "Alternative facts. Trump has had more ethical problems in one month than Obama had in 8 years. "

          Only if you assume that the ethical problems of not doing his sworn duty wasn't a problem to Obama.  Perhaps it wasn't.

          1. peoplepower73 profile image85
            peoplepower73posted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Wilderness:  I wish Trump would take the time to fulfill his promises instead of placing unrealistic goals on those who are trying to meet his expectations.  A case in point is health care.  Anybody can repeal it, but replacing it is something else that should take time and deliberate thought, not just getting it done just for the sake of meeting Trump's schedule.  That is nothing but political showmanship to prove to his base and others that it can be done.

            1. dianetrotter profile image82
              dianetrotterposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              I wish they would stop talking about why it should be repealed.  I think we all understand that is is getting expensive, people couldn't keep their doctors, people are paying the penalty.

              NOW, they are in a position to fix the problem.  Fix it already!

              1. jackclee lm profile image77
                jackclee lmposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                Agreed. They have a second chance of getting this right. It should have been done 7 years ago. Both parties should put aside their politics and do it for the American people. Only a bi-partisan solution will last in the long run. The Congressmen should just do their job as dictated by our Constitution. They are paid to write the bills.

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  On this I can certainly agree.  Not that they WILL accomplish anything with the endless partisanship, but certainly that it is their job, what they are paid to do, and what they SHOULD do.

                  Read today where during the committee work on the health plan that an effort was made by Dem's to insert a requirement for Trump to provide tax filings.  Now that's really helpful in a health care plan!

                  "They <Democrats> tried unsuccessfully to insert language pressuring President Donald Trump to release his income tax returns, and failed to prevent Republicans from restoring insurance companies' tax deductions for executive salaries above $500,000 — a break Obama's law killed."

                  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03 … -bill.html

            2. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              "I wish Trump would take the time to fulfill his promises instead of placing unrealistic..."

              You mean like building the wall that is getting bids?  Like the crafting of an ACA replacement?  So far it looks to me like he is fulfilling his promises.  Of course you can claim that there IS no replacement for ACA, but then you must decide what is being discussed by Congress right now...

              1. crankalicious profile image85
                crankaliciousposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                Here's Trump's promise on healthcare:

                "Everybody's got to be covered," he said on "60 Minutes" in September 2015. "I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now."

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  Then I am absolutely, positively sure that he will fail, for there WILL be a homeless person somewhere in the wilds of Alaska that does not get insurance.

                  You may now start the hate up again, claiming he lied, for he certainly promised what is impossible to deliver.

                  However, I'm not sure what that has to do with his efforts to fulfill his promises?  Do you bring it up because you agree that there will be at least one homeless person that has no insurance, so it makes a liar out of Trump in that he will never fulfill his promise?

                  1. crankalicious profile image85
                    crankaliciousposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    I'm realistic about health care. It's not about people without coverage. It's about having the access to it.

                    We're in a post-lying era now anyway. There's not really much point to elaborating on Trump's lies. We should probably try to focus on the few things he says that are true.

                  2. crankalicious profile image85
                    crankaliciousposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                    The reason I posted Trump's promise is that Obama's promise about "keeping your doctor", which turned out not to be true, was widely derided (as it should have been).

                    Do we hold Trump to the same standard?

        2. ahorseback profile image48
          ahorsebackposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          Oh ,Thank you for that - I just turned on my channel of  Left-stream News Media . What did I ever do without THAT ?

          1. Valeant profile image89
            Valeantposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            The thing about you claiming that this is all made up is laughable as people are giving you direct quotes that Donald Trump has said.

            Today's example was the icing on the cake.  He claimed all during the campaign the the labor bureau stats on jobs were all false.  When they came out today with the same kinds of numbers they've been reporting, suddenly they are totally true.

            The man skews the truth more than any human on the face of the planet and his idiot followers give him a pass on it.  Wake up.

      2. dianetrotter profile image82
        dianetrotterposted 13 days ago in reply to this

        This pic looks photoshopped.

        1. dianetrotter profile image82
          dianetrotterposted 13 days ago in reply to this

          https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13444945.jpg

          I saw this happen


          https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13444946.png

          We know this did NOT happen.  It would be all over the news.  We have to check multiple sources.  One can do wonders with Photoshop.

        2. GA Anderson profile image86
          GA Andersonposted 13 days ago in reply to this

          That;\s because it is. god call.

          GA

          1. dianetrotter profile image82
            dianetrotterposted 13 days ago in reply to this

            Thank you GA!  It looks like the attachment is at the elbow.  Oops!  Wrong pic.  The one with finger in Trump's face is the one attached at the elbow.

            The hand in front of Obama's face is not his.

    2. Melissa Carlson profile image60
      Melissa Carlsonposted 10 hours ago in reply to this

      As far as other views. You are correct we differ on it as well.
      I am a climate change skeptic.
      I have studied this issue for over 20 years and found the claims too extreme and little scientific basis.
      I also have issues with the theory of evolution as it is taught.
      The science and engineering background I have studied, does not fit with how humans are evolved.

  7. Will Apse profile image89
    Will Apseposted 13 days ago

    Putting tools that are perfect for forgery into the hands of billions has its drawbacks, lol.

    On the plus side, I note that Obama left office with a 60 percent approval rating. So, not everyone is fooled by the barrage of propaganda, lies, photoshopping and sloganeering.

    1. peoplepower73 profile image85
      peoplepower73posted 13 days ago in reply to this

      Oh yes, the digital world.  It can make good things look bad and bad things look good. It's all just a bunch of ones and zeros. How they can be interpreted depends on your values and belief systems.  They can even make you super rich or super poor.

    2. ahorseback profile image48
      ahorsebackposted 13 days ago in reply to this

      There you Go , A 60 % approval rating for Obama , true but simply  a popularity poll.
      and A perfect lie -   Leadership isn't a popularity contest  ,as liberals SHOULD know and apparently never will !

      1. peoplepower73 profile image85
        peoplepower73posted 13 days ago in reply to this

        ahorseback:  In your world Obama was only good for blaming everything that the republican congress did that  is wrong on him.  Even Trump blames him for creating a shadow government and wiretapping. Trump even takes credit for last months creation of 235,000  new jobs, even though he has only been in office for a month.  What is sad is that you and others actually believe it.

        1. dianetrotter profile image82
          dianetrotterposted 12 days ago in reply to this

          https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13446343.jpg

          1. ahorseback profile image48
            ahorsebackposted 12 days ago in reply to this

            Not making much sense there Diane ,  Try again ?

            1. dianetrotter profile image82
              dianetrotterposted 12 days ago in reply to this

              Microwave Oven Spying? Kellyanne Conway Explains Comment 

              https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/13/us/p … .html?_r=0

              Keep up!

        2. ahorseback profile image48
          ahorsebackposted 12 days ago in reply to this

          Actually , Obama was good for nothing at all except for  a blatant and complete realization that yes !   The sixties plan  of perpetual  liberalist  divisiveness was permanent in our political system , welcome to the club !     Other than that , as you even know , Obama  will go down in history as a Carter-esque  political midget .

          1. peoplepower73 profile image85
            peoplepower73posted 12 days ago in reply to this

            ahorseback:  I believe that you actually believe what you are saying...so sad.  Please explain to me why his approval rating was at 65% when he left office. Only you people who live in an alternate reality think otherwise.

            http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/p … ngs-233725

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 12 days ago in reply to this

              Because he enacted the single biggest give away program in the history of the world, and there are lots and lots of people very happy to live of someone else's dime?  And likely even more people that view federal expenditures as "free" - that there is no related tax or debt rise connected to federal dollars.

              1. crankalicious profile image85
                crankaliciousposted 12 days ago in reply to this

                Wilderness, I get it. Federally subsidized health insurance is a give-a-way.

                Except that a country that doesn't do something to help millions and millions of people stay healthy is going to be in a lot of trouble. Doesn't it make more sense to figure out a way to spend less money by getting those people more preventative care to keep them out of hospitals and lower the premiums of other people who are paying for insurance and subsidizing those others' visits to the emergency room?

                While I'm thinking about it, shouldn't we do away with forcing people to buy auto insurance too?

                Rather than deny health insurance to the poor, I might advocate for penalizing people with higher premiums who have habits that lead to more medical care, like smoking, overeating, not exercising - or incentivize (other than the probability of living longer) those with good habits with lower premiums.

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 12 days ago in reply to this

                  Unfortunately, all the "excepts" in the world don't change the fact of what I said; millions of people are quite happy to live off someone else's dime, and that makes them very happy with the giveaway.

                  But I really am at a loss to understand the comparison between health insurance, useful ONLY for protecting the insured and required auto insurance which ONLY protects anyone the insured injures.  Can you explain that a little more?

                  I think you'd have a really tough time penalizing those that overeat (most of the nation) or don't exercise (most white collar workers).  Somehow I just don't see that one being accepted.

                  1. crankalicious profile image85
                    crankaliciousposted 12 days ago in reply to this

                    You're giving medical care away either way. You either giving it away in the form of preventative care or you're giving it away in the form of emergency room visits. Which do you prefer? Or are you advocating that hospitals turn away people who don't have insurance?

  8. profile image61
    Drsrinivasnposted 13 days ago

    This is the saddest thing about the new technology. It has allowed nationalistic leaders to win elections around the world. Their winning has been accorded in large part by journals like www.economist.com to the creation of echo chambers using social media.

    As large parts of the population restrict their media consumption. The debate which is the characteristic of journalism is shut out. As more viewers read fewer and limited media outlets, their familiarity to argument- which is the foundation of democracy is buried.

    The social media -opinion makers question the traditional opinion makers and their tactics. The population enters into a cynical spiral

    Hence, we have more unpredictable elections and vitriol around traditional media

    1. peoplepower73 profile image85
      peoplepower73posted 13 days ago in reply to this

      Drsrinivasn:  I agree with you totally.

    2. jackclee lm profile image77
      jackclee lmposted 12 days ago in reply to this

      All the reason to disconnect from social media, and all IoT, these connections will lead to 1984 and we have no one to blame but ourselves. There is no reason for any home devices to be connnected to the web, the most easy to hack...

  9. ahorseback profile image48
    ahorsebackposted 11 days ago

    There is no arguing that   those who most use the system most ,That the  "Giving it Away "  of health care is  actually the point  .   Why should it come for free without monetary compensation .      For years  , for decades , I have paid for insurance that I never used enough , never meet or have met  the deductibles , never get to do anything but pay cash for myself .
    While I watched as  the people with multiple kids  go to the ERs  to have said  kids noses wiped for free or at my subsidization ,   most of them being "On the system "   

    And now ,  They want ALL it for "free ."
    But I continue with trying to fill unrealistic "deductibles" AND paying for theirs too ?

    1. peoplepower73 profile image85
      peoplepower73posted 11 days ago in reply to this

      ahorseback:  That's the way all insurance works. Your car insurance, house insurance, group insurance all are based on somebody paying for others use of it.  The insurance companies bet that your are never going to use it, while your  are betting you will use it. Although, it does become handy if you do have to use it, for catastrophic failure.  And along the way, the insurance companies make mega bucks.  You can thank the money changers for figuring out this risk/reward scheme. But it is a reality of living in society. If you don't like it, just drop off the grid.

      By the way everybody, this forum is about Jeff Sessions and Obama wiretapping.

      1. dianetrotter profile image82
        dianetrotterposted 11 days ago in reply to this

        Today should be the day!!!!  Comey is supposed to say "something???" to Lindsay Graham about whom is under investigation ... if anyone.

      2. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 11 days ago in reply to this

        Your description of how insurance works is incredibly skewed from reality, and has almost no connection to the real world. 

        Insurance premiums are based on the average cost expected, from a statistical analysis of a large group of similar people/situations.  A profit margin is added and the figure becomes what you will pay.  The insurance company "bet" is no more a "bet" than the profit margin expected from running a craps table or a slot machine for thousands of players.  The house WILL win (show a profit) if the game continues long enough.

        The total amount of premiums collected is used to pay the costs of the car accidents/home fires/health care.  Should one person have a larger than normal loss it will be covered from the pool of money collected because another had no loss.  But to say it is based on someone else paying for your costs is disingenuous, for it is your money, statistically, that pays for your costs.

        But not socialized medical insurance.  In that case it really IS someone else paying for your costs (or you paying for someone else's costs) as there is no attempt to assign premiums based on history or statistics.  Only on ability to pay, which means the system is set up so that some will pay for others needs.

        1. peoplepower73 profile image85
          peoplepower73posted 10 days ago in reply to this

          Wilderness:  It's what I said only my description is simplified compared to your detailed description. 

          By the way, getting back to the topic of this forum, the House Intelligence Committee ordered by Trump to investigate the Obama wiretapping found no evidence of wiretapping or a FISA warrant being issued.  Senator Lindsey Graham has ordered Comey of the FBI to state his findings by Monday 3/20.  If Comey doesn't come through, Graham will subpoena the DOJ to release the information.

          It looks like this whole fiasco cover-up of Jeff Sessions being investigated is backfiring on Trump and Company including Mark Levin for broadcasting an article that had nothing to do with Obama and wiretapping; Steve Bannon for using it for evidence; Trump for tweeting it four times: Kellyann Conway for saying Obama could have used a microwave oven or smart TV for surveillance.

          I hope this is a lesson to Trump and Company that now he is President of the United states, he can't make false accusations as a diversion to cover up misdeeds.  It works while in campaign mode, but not as the leader of the free world.  These are serious allegations with consequences.  Let's see how they distract, divert, deflect, and spin the facts to get out of this one.

          1. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 10 days ago in reply to this

            "It's what I said only my description is simplified compared to your detailed description. "

            Except that your "description" implies that all insurance, whether auto, home, health or Obamacare, is centered around someone else paying for your bills.  It isn't - only Obamacare with it's subsidies and requirements for purchase, coupled with ignoring statistical risks, takes that approach.

          2. dianetrotter profile image82
            dianetrotterposted 10 days ago in reply to this

            Trump is reopening the can of poop!  More information coming out in two weeks!

    2. crankalicious profile image85
      crankaliciousposted 11 days ago in reply to this

      ahorseback, do you understand that those who go to emergency rooms for care are often doing so for free and that the proposed GOP Obamacare alternative will just increase that number thereby increasing expenses?

      The idea behind "free" health care is that those of us who pay will see reductions in our costs because preventative care helps reduce costs.

      1. ahorseback profile image48
        ahorsebackposted 10 days ago in reply to this

        No visit to a  healthcare facility is "free " ,  preventative medicine is one thing ,  but the rest is paid for by the masses who pay their premiums , the abuses from both  over users and the corruption in the industry itself need  regulating !

        There is nothing that is for "free" .Open your eyes to what your "Christmas wish list "entitlements cost others !.

        1. crankalicious profile image85
          crankaliciousposted 10 days ago in reply to this

          Exactly, so that question then becomes: is it more economical to offer people who can't afford health insurance "free" health insurance or wait until they go to the emergency room? Or, I guess, should people be turned away at the emergency rooms and left to die or suffer?

          If we provide health insurance for those who can't afford it, then we decrease their number of sick days. We make it more likely they will be productive members in the work force thereby earning money and spending money and contributing to the economy. Those who we let get sick - or who get sick as the result of not being able to afford health insurance - make others sick. They miss more days of work. They earn less and spend less.

          Either way, those of us who can afford health insurance are paying for those who can't.

          1. Valeant profile image89
            Valeantposted 10 days ago in reply to this

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            1. jackclee lm profile image77
              jackclee lmposted 10 days ago in reply to this

              It is called insurance if all parties pay up front and when some get sick, they collect the benefit.
              What we have with Obamacare is not insurance but welfare disguised as insurance. When 80% of new insured can't pay the premiums, they are subsidized by the government.  The taxpayers end up footing the bill, definition of welfare.

          2. ahorseback profile image48
            ahorsebackposted 9 days ago in reply to this

            I don't remember the term for it , But  hospitals and their business centers have a term for  how they "write off "  the costs of providing care for the uninsured ,    I have even had a friend who's family use[d] that term often and without ever  being billed .     

            My problem with the system is this , For years  I worked often using insurance companies ,  as a self employed building contractor  I got used to customers and their  insurers calling me  with claims of their customers needs  ,  ie.  a tree through their roof , etc.  in doing so  I was to learn that  insurers paid  premium prices for  my business administration costs , labor cost figures , material mark -ups   etc..... and I got used to , as many people do , over charging them .   I also saw this practice expanded upon in being a supervisor  for large const. companies .

            This practice is the same in all forms of service companies ,  Its the same in auto body shops , auto glass companies  ,  as it is in hospitals and doctors offices , IT IS  D B.A.U. practice , doing- business -as- usual .     How does anyone think that  an  aspirin costs  $ 80.00 in the hospital ,     a change of injury bandages $  300.00 or a  diaper for incontinence $ 240 .00 ,  what do you suppose a diaper for a premi baby costs  to change in pre-natal care .................Next time you get a hospital bill - Have them itemize it !

            How will providing "free health care "  be billed , be charged or be paid for with  these examples happening in the health care industry , are  any of you willing to pay your share of these examples?

            Government -  Is where  $400.00 dollar toilet seats and $600.00  hammers come from !

            1. crankalicious profile image85
              crankaliciousposted 9 days ago in reply to this

              That is quite possibly the least aggressive thing I've ever seen you post. I don't disagree with any of it. So, see, liberals and conservatives can agree on something.

              The conservative solution seems to be to let people die in the street. The "emergency room" solution isn't a solution, but a continuation of the problem. Providing "free" health insurance has the potential and probability to lower our costs (yours and mine), by lowering the cost of overall health expenditures by keeping people healthy rather than waiting for them to get chronic conditions that are dealt with in emergency rooms.

              1. ahorseback profile image48
                ahorsebackposted 9 days ago in reply to this

                Your "Dying in the streets " term , is a joke ., there is one good reason NOT to even try to debate you ,  Your assumption that conservatives want patients dying in the streets is  a statement of   mindless  accusation ,    England has free healthcare - do you suppose people don't die in the streets there  ? Do you suppose there is no drug addiction there because preventative care is free and included ?  Do you think that veterans don't die without care -there because care is free ?

                Want to seriously debate why I should pay for your free care because I work and you may not ?   Get serious and stop with the" Dying in the streets "  mindless arguments .

                Obama care has been" breaking the banks "  for two  years now , underwriters are  running away all over the country , My question is who pays and how ?Pretty simple question .

                1. crankalicious profile image85
                  crankaliciousposted 9 days ago in reply to this

                  It's called hyperbole. You don't seem capable of answering the basic question here: is it less expensive to provide people with preventative health options or to wait until they need to go to the emergency room?

                  1. ahorseback profile image48
                    ahorsebackposted 9 days ago in reply to this

                    That has already been proven out within a growing and  overfed ,overly subsidized , system  and doesn't need my  answer , Why , ?  Because look around you !    Has all of the drug  , alcohol education prevention worked ,      what about opioids  and those addictions , what about rape on campus' ,  or wearing seat  belts  , no using cell phones and texting  while driving ? 

                    Any of that worked ? ................................  No ?   I didn't think so .

                    Your  question is a loaded one ,  emergency rooms are for emergencies ,  education is for  the inform able  ,......next question ?

            2. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 9 days ago in reply to this

              I would disagree with hospitals "over" charging insurance companies for the most part.  In reality, insurance companies usually require a patient to use the doctors/hospitals that the company has already negotiated with, and will provide lower not higher bills because of that negotiation.  At least every plan I've had for the last couple of decades has been that way.

              1. ahorseback profile image48
                ahorsebackposted 9 days ago in reply to this

                Wrong ,.......... Clinics especially are famous for the "passing around " of patients , My wife worked at a clinic that had ,by regulation  , a General Practitioner  , next to that  the Chiropractors  office  and  his  wife was an acupuncturist    , the patients come in the door to see the Doc ,  he  then "prescribes " chiropractic AND acupuncture  to most patients ...............see the rip off pattern . 

                Of course its all an insurance bill - Why ?  because it was "prescribed " by the resident  Doc. !

                Doctors offices are some of the worst abusers - Have you seen the recent Medicaid  Fraud charges in the state of California  in recent news ?

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 9 days ago in reply to this

                  Now that I can see happening, and quite often.  But that's just fraud, not a doctor charging insurance patients more (although when I had eye surgery I got a hefty discount for paying cash - the assumption is that insurance would have paid more)

                  1. ahorseback profile image48
                    ahorsebackposted 9 days ago in reply to this

                    Friend of mine couldn't afford his insurance co-Pay  for a MRI imaging of his head ,........ the doctor wouldn't prescribe it for his treatment , long story .....Yet he knew something was up in his head ,     he starts calling different hospitals to get cash quote for the MRI service ..........he settles  on paying
                    $ 1,200  dollars cash ,   

                    What does the hospital charge  your insurance co .     $ 5- -8,000  dollars +
                    Anybody see a problem with  conservative fighting the  tax subsidization of a  Blue Cross / Obama Care  health care system ?  ..........If you don't  , I have no answers for you !

  10. ahorseback profile image48
    ahorsebackposted 9 days ago

    Wire Tapping ,   If it happened  , it happened because of the Wussification  of the a wekl and   liberally flooded , influenced  Obama  DOJ  system  trying to preserve  an Obama agenda .

    If wire tapping didn't happen ,  It is because Trump is playing the same kinds of liberally oriented political  games ,   because that is his true calling  ........a performer performing   phony outrage !

    Where's Ronald Reagan when we need him !

  11. Kathleen Cochran profile image84
    Kathleen Cochranposted 9 days ago

    Hopefully, he won't demand an investigation at taxpayer's expense.  We're already paying for seven investigations of Benghazi (when people actually died) when one was enough.  One was enough in Beruit when 240 Marines died because of a president's failed policies.

    1. ahorseback profile image48
      ahorsebackposted 9 days ago in reply to this

      That's correct Kathleen ,    enough internally , divisive diplomacy perpetrated  against the American public by the American government .

      1. peoplepower73 profile image85
        peoplepower73posted 8 days ago in reply to this

        Here is what I stated in the introduction to this forum:

        "Isn't it interesting at the same time Jeff Sessions has said that he talked to Russia, Trump is accusing Obama of wire tapping him?  And Trump has no evidence to support his claims.  I believe this is another one of Trump's distractions to take the heat off of him and Jeff Sessions for interacting with Russia.  Trump and his crew do it  by repeating lies , deflect, divert, distract,bullying, and intimidating.  If you watch CNN, you get one reality.  If you watch Fox news, it is a totally different reality.  Trump supporters will believe him without any evidence to support his claims.  As Trump would say, "sad, very sad."

        Everybody has missed what the motivation was and still is for Trump's accusations.  It was to take the heat off of Sessions and Trump about collusion with the Russians...and it is working.

        This all started when Louis Mensch wrote an article about Obama wiretapping.  She was a former member of the British Parliament and as a contributor to Heat Street, she wrote an article about a server, possibly related to the Trump campaign, and its alleged links to two banks; SVB Bank and Russia’s Alfa Bank. 

        Mark Levin an ultra right, shock jock radio host and a professed hater of Obama broadcasted the article to his audience.  Steve Bannon, Trump' Chief Adviser passed the article on to Trump.  Trump then sent out his four tweets accusing Obama of Wiretapping his phones.

        This took the heat off of Jeff Sessions.  Obama then ordered a house intelligence committee investigation to further distract everybody, knowing full well they could not have access to the FISA warrants.  Senator Lindsey Graham then asked the DOJ to investigate the  veracity of  Trump's accusations. So far everybody on the house intelligence committee says there is no credible evidence.  Monday, James Comey, the head of the FBI will make a statement as far as the DOJ's findings.  Trump has not apologized and said in two weeks he will have the evidence.

        Here is the link to the article that started this whole fiasco:

        https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi- … to-russia/

        1. dianetrotter profile image82
          dianetrotterposted 8 days ago in reply to this

          I read it!  This gives me some background.

          Thanks peeps!

        2. GA Anderson profile image86
          GA Andersonposted 8 days ago in reply to this

          Hi there peoplepower73,

          I have a thought, (I know I should just let it go on its merry way, but...), addressing your perspective that seems to amount to an instance of 'the tail wagging the dog', relative to the reason(s) Pres. Trump made his "wiretapping" accusations. Could it be the genius of understanding today's sound-bite, meme, attention span?

          Now wait... don't misinterpret this as a Trump-supportive perspective, (I wish), but considering his, (Pres. Trump's), life and career experiences, is it too bizarre to consider that he is at the top of his game, doing what he is doing?

          I don't think that there can be any doubt that he has changed the previously-accepted political landscape, but I wonder if he is really as unknowing as some of his actions seem to imply?

          Human nature is what it is. No matter how we wish it to be otherwise. Peel away a layer or two of security - and you will soon see folks trashing their formerly beloved elderly neighbor to get that last bag of flour. Could Pres. Trump be missing the big picture - why decorum is important, or could he be the messenger telling us our decorum values are misplaced?

          Presently, I am inclined to believe you have a valid point in your "distraction and deflection" perspective, but, but ... I certainly hope you are wrong. I strongly believe that a Isolationist and Nationalistic public and governmental perspective is as dangerous, now, as any hazard we could face as a nation.

          GA

          1. peoplepower73 profile image85
            peoplepower73posted 8 days ago in reply to this

            GA:  I hope I'm wrong as well.  But If you watch and listen closely, you will see that this is a pattern of behavior that is becoming more predictable with each move he makes.  If he makes accusations with no validity, he will ask for opened ended investigations.  in other words, the burden of proof is not on him, but on the accused.  For example, the birther movement.  He made the accusation, Obama had to prove his birth certificate, but there are many out there who still believe he was born in Africa.  He claims he won the popular vote, because the balance was won by fraudulent voters.  He ordered an investigation that will go on until it can be proven otherwise. His supporters will continue to believe he was right.  The pattern with the wiretapping will have supporters, even though the chances are very good that he was lying.

            If he feels he has been insulted, he will counter-punch with 10 times the force of his opponent. If he is accused, he will deflect, divert, and distract with some made up scenario to change the course of the accusation.  He never apologizes for his wrong doings and thinks Fox news is real news and mainstream media is fake news.  Although he got into trouble when he quoted Fox news' Napolitano stating that Obama ordered the British GCHQ to surveille Trump.  It created an international incident. with the British and a loss of credibility.

            1. ahorseback profile image48
              ahorsebackposted 8 days ago in reply to this

              Peoplepower , It's a funny thing To watch........... An ideology that discarded  truth ,integrity and  accuracy of  ALL the media  outlets , threw away the handbook  of the election process and created a media atmosphere that rivals every  thing that could come out of the outrageously dishonest Russian media of the past !
              And NOW  demand   truth ,integrity and accuracy out of the Trump administration , AND actually think they know what truth IS !

              Maybe you should take Hilary's latest advice  , "Come out of the woods "

              1. dianetrotter profile image82
                dianetrotterposted 8 days ago in reply to this

                Trump definitely told the truth when he said he gets his news from the shows.  I thought he was kidding.

              2. peoplepower73 profile image85
                peoplepower73posted 7 days ago in reply to this

                ahorseback:  I'm sorry, I'm just a dumb a** liberal who has never been in the woods.  I see things for what they really are.  Trump stepped on his own crank this time by quoting Fox news as real news and created an international incident.  Since he aligned himself with the republican party, he has paid allegiance to Fox news and decreed that "mainstream media" is fake news and the enemy of the people.

                Fox news is not only on TV, but also on the radio serving as the mouthpiece and propaganda apparatus for the right wing of the republican party. Breibart and Alt Right are the internet components of the ultra right wing.

                While  Mainstream media is only on  TV.  Most of Trumps "forgotten ones" may not even be able to afford TV, but they can certainly listen to Fox news on the radio and therefore it creates their reality.  Which I'm sorry to say is going to disappoint them when their coal miner jobs and steel mill jobs are not coming back as Trump always promises in his never ending, continuous campaign rallies, fraught with lies and false equivalences...Maybe you should listen to your own advice and you should come out of the woods.

            2. GA Anderson profile image86
              GA Andersonposted 8 days ago in reply to this

              Hello again peoplepower73, your response seems to support my thought that he could be playing "at the top of his game."

              I am not sure I can agree with a few of your closing points. I am not convinced he thinks Fox News "is real news,"  as in the only one that is. I think his support of that perception is because it benefits him.

              And I am still of the mind that Pres. Trump could still turn out to be just the medicine we need to jolt us out of the political rut our previous run of politicians put us in.

              GA

              1. crankalicious profile image85
                crankaliciousposted 7 days ago in reply to this

                Honestly, I certainly hope you're right because everything right now points to him being a world-class imbecile, a horrible leader, a supporter of white supremacy, as well as a horrible person.

                1. GA Anderson profile image86
                  GA Andersonposted 7 days ago in reply to this

                  Holy Cow, Crankalicious! Don't be shy. Tell us how you really feel.

                  But... Can you consider this possibility? (Remember, as Spock said; "There are always possibilities)

                  Could candidate Trump's persona, (we can debate whether it is the same as his presidential persona), have been the only one that could have energized previously non-participating voters to come out and vote to change our past 'politics as usual' voting patterns. As in, could his crudeness been the only way to break the mold? A mold which I have heard many of us, Left and Right,  proclaim to be defective.

                  Now, putting decorum and decency perspectives aside, what do you think justifies your accusations of a White Supremacist attitude? Let me forewarn you that repeating accusations against Bannon won't cut it. For all his, (Bannon), 'Ultra-Conservative' views, I think a look at his pre-Trump history will deny you the foundation for that accusation.

                  GA

                  1. Valeant profile image89
                    Valeantposted 7 days ago in reply to this

                    I'll take this one.  The very nature of his immigrant ban is one.  He's basing it off of a religion instead of off of people with ties to terrorism.  Simply replace the word Muslim with Jew and you can understand how people can equate the man to Hitler.

                    Restrict those with ties to terrorism and everyone would be fine with some extra vetting.  But the man is making an assumption that all who follow Islam are terrorists.  And the way he's saying it is causing some of his uneducated, violent followers to do real harm to minorities (Kansas, Seattle, Oregon).

                  2. crankalicious profile image85
                    crankaliciousposted 6 days ago in reply to this

                    Mr. Anderson,

                    I must say that I admire the tone you take with everyone. I wish I could be like that all the time.

                    That said, is there really any argument I could make that would convince you that Mr. Bannon and Mr. Miller are racists and/or hold white supremacist views? I would think the whole history of Breitbart would speak to that. Is there really any argument I could make that would convince you that Trump is a dangerous moron? I mean, he's made a lot of statements and I could list them all, but that doesn't seem to convince anyone of anything. His supporters just say he didn't really mean it and to not take him seriously.

                    I've made this point several times, but the GOP is the party that rejects basic science, so I find it hard to argue with anyone who wants to support the notion that climate change is a hoax when virtually every climate scientist on the planet says the opposite. Correct or not, I always find myself thinking that when I argue with a Trump supporter. If I can't convince or come to an agreement about basic science, what's the point of arguing politics?

                    And that said, it has dawned on me recently that most Trump supporters believe that Obama was a racist. While I think that's an absolute joke, I can see how they would come to that conclusion and how it can persuade them to overlook the people Trump has put in his administration.

  12. ahorseback profile image48
    ahorsebackposted 4 days ago

    Okay , Its now time for all of those who so hate Trump so much  to line up ,.......
    Get yourself a number and stand in line  behind the great spokeswoman of the left .....Maxine Waters.... from California . Who was born in a small town with a little known disease, the debilitating  infantile hatred of all things  conservative .

    1. peoplepower73 profile image85
      peoplepower73posted 4 days ago in reply to this

      ahorseback:  Sounds like somebody has sour grapes.  It's O.K.  Trump's supporters will overlook this as well, because they are more concerned about him bringing back jobs to the coal miners and steel workers.  There are two realities:  main stream media and Fox news and their ultra-right cohorts.  While the hearings were taking place, MSM was showing  the hearings and Fox news was showing Trump campaigning in Kentucky with the coal miners.  Those people didn't even know or care that a hearing about Trump being a liar or an ongoing investigation into Russian collusion was taking place.

      Trump won and at the same time he lost.  He won, because he asked for the investigation into his alleged Obama wire tapping. The purpose of which was to create a smoke screen for Jeff Sessions and the Trump's peoples ties to Russian operatives.  That worked. 

      However he lost because there was no evidence found by committee or the FBI. This essentially places him in the category of a liar.  He also lost because the FBI is in an ongoing investigation into Russian hacking and Collusion with Trump and his people, including almost all of his cabinet members.

      Many congressmen on both sides of the aisle want Trump to admit he was lying and apologize to Obama.  But not to worry, he will never do either of those things because he was taught by his father and his trusted attorney to never say you are sorry or admit to any wrong doing.  That shows a sign of weakness.  And God forbid, Trump doesn't want people to see him as a weak insecure person who exaggerates, lies, diverts, and distracts to hide who he really is and feels about himself.

      1. jackclee lm profile image77
        jackclee lmposted 3 days ago in reply to this

        This story is not going away anytime soon. There is much more than meets the eye. We have a failure of our intelligence agency at NSA, the CIA and the FBI. It is a problem in the making for some times. It took wikileaks to expose the illegal activities going on at the highest level of our government. There are political operatives working in these agencies that are doing the leaking. Sooner or later, they will be caught and prosecuted. Those that believe President Obama can do no wrong are going to be shocked. He has already done enough to be impeached and yet those in power on both aisle did not want to touch it with a 10 foot pole. This is what we get when power is unchecked. The Constitution has it right from the start. We cannot have a king for a President. The separation of power and checks and balances must work or else...

        1. dianetrotter profile image82
          dianetrotterposted 3 days ago in reply to this

          Isn't this about Trump???

          1. jackclee lm profile image77
            jackclee lmposted 3 days ago in reply to this

            Yes and no. The problem Trump is dealing here was planted by Obama... The intelligence abuse of surveillance happened under Obama's watch. Whether he approved it or not, it was his people that did these acts... (illegal I may add).  Now we are seeing what happens when the intelligence community becomes politicized. More chips will fall IMHO...

            1. dianetrotter profile image82
              dianetrotterposted 3 days ago in reply to this

              I understand why you have problems relating to people.  You could be on Trump's staff.

              1. jackclee lm profile image77
                jackclee lmposted 3 days ago in reply to this

                As I made it clear, I am not a Trump supporter. I didn't vote this time around. I didn't think either candidate was worthy. However, I am seeing what is going on clearly. Our government is under assault. Whether I agree with Trump or not is irrelevant. As a conservative, I do agree with some of his policies. What we are discussing is how government works under normal conditions.

                I don't have a problem relating to people. I speak my mind and let the chips fall.
                What is going on in Washington now is unprecedented. Don't you agree?
                Who is creating this? Who started it? Why?

                1. dianetrotter profile image82
                  dianetrotterposted 3 days ago in reply to this

                  I absolutely agree that something is terribly wrong.  We have elected a man with an ego and a mental problem.  His campaign people were stupid enough to tickle toes with the Russians.  They had a responsibility to avoid all appearances of evil.

                  The wiretap was necessary because of the activities of POTUS and campaign.  "Find those emails Russians!"

            2. peoplepower73 profile image85
              peoplepower73posted 3 days ago in reply to this

              Jack:  You have the House Intelligence Committee which is made up of not only democrats but republicans, saying there is no evidence of wiretapping (surveillance).  Then you have the FBI saying there was no evidence, and also the head of the NSA..  I think you are in denial.  This is how people think when the conclusion does not meet their agenda.  So now you want the investigations to go on until they can prove Obama and company was behind this made up contrived lie by Trump?  This is typical of conservatives like Trey Gowdy and Jason Chaffetz who still want to continue investigating Hillary.  And you want to believe there is a conspiracy that is being run by Obama and his people to control the FBI, NSA, and non-partisan House Intelligence Committee.

              To answer you question, Louis Mensch started this.  She is a former member of the British Parliament.  She was also a contributor to an ultra-right news outlet called Heat Street.  At the bottom is the link to the article she wrote:

              Mark Levin a shock jock right wing radio host read the article and broadcasted it as Trump being wire tapped by Obama.  Steve Bannon heard about it and informed Trump about the article.  At the same time Jeff Sessions was being confirmed as the A.G. and Trump and his people were being accused of illegal connections with the Russians, Trump tweeted four different times about Obama wire tapping him and also maligned Obama's character while he was doing it. It was nothing more than a cover up by Trump for distracting the media from the real issue. 

              Louis Mensch has been fired from Breitbart and Heat Street.  Look all this stuff up, if you don't believe me.  This may all backfire on Trump because he ordered the House Investigation, but not the FBI, or the NSA to testify.  The house doesn't have access to FISA reports but the FBI does.  Even the head of the NSA said there was no evidence and no FISA reports ordered.  It is illegal to order a FISA investigation against U.S. citizens.

              The article Louis Mensch wrote:

              https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi- … to-russia/

              1. dianetrotter profile image82
                dianetrotterposted 3 days ago in reply to this

                Judge Napolitano may have also received walking papers from Fox.

                Come on!  They teach us how to think as they teach us to add and subtract!

              2. jackclee lm profile image77
                jackclee lmposted 3 days ago in reply to this

                So how do explain these leaks...? They came from some where?  Someone listened in? Someone captured the conversations? Someone broke our laws and leaked the content to journalists...
                With all the things happening in the past with the IRS, the VA and with NSA... monitoring of James Rosen... and Netanyahu and Merkel...what else our government is not telling us???

      2. dianetrotter profile image82
        dianetrotterposted 3 days ago in reply to this

        GOP lawmaker: Trump communications may have been 'monitored' - AP

        Trump supporters unwillingness to admit he lies says something about them.  Saying a person is wrong about something doesn't mean you hate the person.  If you 15 year old daughter runs off with her boyfriend, no problem!  You don't hate her so running off with her boyfriend is perfectly fine.

        Character counts!

      3. ahorseback profile image48
        ahorsebackposted 3 days ago in reply to this

        Peoplepower ,   I don't recall ever hearing Obama saying " I'm sorry" for reigniting  open and direct racism ,   for doubling the National debt ,  for  increasing the use of Drones  all over the middle east ,  for  infiltrating the DOJ, the FBI , the EPA , The IRS .the  Dept. of Interior , the  supreme courts with extreme activists ,  bias  laden federal   judges , for pulling the plug on the effectiveness of the Border Patrol  , for   opening declaring war on the constitution , etc.......

        An apology  good for one is good for the other .

        1. peoplepower73 profile image85
          peoplepower73posted 3 days ago in reply to this

          ahorseback:  Those are all false equivalences right out of the Obama haters play book.  You don't think Trump is going to double the national debt?  He is starting out with Obama's 20 Trillion.  It only goes up from there.  How is he going to get all the things done that he wants to do without massively increasing the national debt? It's costing us 3 million per weekend just for Mar-a-Lago. Melina costs us 1 million per day to keep her and Baron in Trump tower.  He wants 54 billion for defense spending with a large portion of it for several new aircraft carriers to fight ISIS.  One well place torpedo can take out an aircraft carrier.  Last time I look, ISIS didn't have a Navy.

          Obama didn't have a staff that has done business with Putin and is still connected to Russia.  Wait until the FBI investigation is done.

          1. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 3 days ago in reply to this

            "Melina costs us 1 million per day to keep her and Baron in Trump tower."

            You have GOT to be kidding!  Even if they required 1,000 SS agents to live there (as opposed to what is need to go to school or other activities) it would still mean that the job pays $1,000 per day.  No thinking person is going to believe that.

            It's comments that this that make people just write off the Trumpophobes.  Or that he wants "...several new aircraft carriers to fight ISIS." - the things DO have other uses, you know.

            1. peoplepower73 profile image85
              peoplepower73posted 3 days ago in reply to this
              1. dianetrotter profile image82
                dianetrotterposted 3 days ago in reply to this

                Some use the excuse of "nobody can understand them" for not having Trump's tax returns made public.  A plumber, physician or homemaker might not understand.  There are many of us MBAs, CPAs, tax attorneys, tax preparation software users that understand all of the supporting schedules and how they flow to the 1040.

                BTW, Nunes might need to be under investigation with the transition group.

              2. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 3 days ago in reply to this

                Can't see it, PP - already looked at that rag too many times this month.

                1. peoplepower73 profile image85
                  peoplepower73posted 3 days ago in reply to this

                  Wilderness:  Of course, I can understand that, if you have been led to believe the Washington Post  is only fake news.

                  1. wilderness profile image96
                    wildernessposted 2 days ago in reply to this

                    ???  After you view 5 pages from them (I think it is 5) in a month they demand you get a subscription or the page is covered up.  Nobody said anything about fake news.  Key word was "can't", not "won't".

          2. dianetrotter profile image82
            dianetrotterposted 3 days ago in reply to this

            Most people that voted for him did not understand the significance of his business dealings and conflicts of interest.

            Ivanka gets secret clearance (which are expensive) and office space (expensive) without a specific job. 

            Blurred lines still exist with group of hoteliers suing because Trump properties have an advantage.  Foreign governments want to stay there and rent space because they expect "deals!" 

            People's ignorance will cost them in the long run.  Unfortunately, we may all pay.

            I like Gorsuch and hope he gets approved.  I tweeted Tillerson.  He's now following me.  Good!  I can advise him..

  13. ahorseback profile image48
    ahorsebackposted 3 days ago

    "...........there are many of us MBA's , CPA's.,  tax attorneys .........."    Then there ought to be the same number of you who can even begin to understand and  even inform us of the legal and intensely complicated tax structures that allow  corporate  entities these tax breaks that allow such grey area 's  to exist ........But Its all legal isn't it Diane ?     

    And yet ,   you too Diane , jump right into the fray claiming something dirty must be  going on .  Is that not simply because he is your ideological  foe ?   Why don't you instead enlighten the rest of us to the incredibly complicated  ways that corporations are raping our  system . Including perhaps -How little we would need so many tax attorneys , CPA's MBA's with a fixed tax rate............as Trump has even discussed .

    1. dianetrotter profile image82
      dianetrotterposted 2 days ago in reply to this

      My comment is regarding the releasing of DJT's taxes.  Other presidents and candidates have shown them.  Given all of the paranoia about wiretaps and aiding Russia, the tax returns could disspell the notion that DJT has financial ties.

      I don't make statements about things I don't know.  I don't know what's in his taxes.  His campaign is now part of a criminal investigation.  Manafort had clear ties and lied about them.  When pieces start coming together, I am open to evidence.

      Nunes was part of his transition but is now "chair" of a committee looking into wrong doing.  He runs to tell him "information."

      There may be no there there.  He has to convince the DOJ.

      1. ahorseback profile image48
        ahorsebackposted 2 days ago in reply to this

        And presidential Tax returns  have been  "pre- election-exposed "  to media since when  , the eighties maybe ?   Clinton , Bush ?   You understand the complexities of taxation and its implications .......especially someone so  corporately  involved ..........?   That in itself is NOT a sin , You should know that  !

        1. dianetrotter profile image82
          dianetrotterposted 2 days ago in reply to this

          If you have business dealings with a country that is interfering in our election process, that is a problem.  When the country is run by a notorious murder who kills his own people and invades countries, that is a problem.

          A former Russian soldier, who moved to Ukraine, was just shot on the street as he and his wife walked down the street.  He had been charged with corruption by Russia.

          Well, this is my view.  We all can read the same information and come up with our own conclusions.  The point for the US is, "Is there treason, espionage, collusion, etc.

          No passion in this.  Just stating my view.

          1. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 2 days ago in reply to this

            "If you have business dealings with a country that is interfering in our election process, that is a problem."

            It's almost a given that nearly every first world country did what they could to interfere in our elections.  They have their own interests to look out for, after all, and the actions of the US mean a good deal to them.

            This means no one should have business dealings in most of the world, right?

            1. dianetrotter profile image82
              dianetrotterposted 2 days ago in reply to this

              If the country is lead by a murderous person like Putin, we definitely need to be concerned.

              Syria, yep!  Iran, yep!  I'm sure there are others.  When we smell something fishy, we definitely should check it.

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 2 days ago in reply to this

                About what?  Should we be concerned that he will turn his murderous actions on the US, using the Russian army rather than single people? 

                But what does that have to do with thinking it is unusual and a problem that other countries try to have an affect on our elections?

          2. ahorseback profile image48
            ahorsebackposted 2 days ago in reply to this

            There are soo many accusations from the left  ,as often from the right ,  that simply are politically motivated .  passion in  Ideology itself  isn't a reason for congressional hearings or investigations themselves.
            Too many phony issues take away from legitimate ones.

          3. ahorseback profile image48
            ahorsebackposted 2 days ago in reply to this

            Every country in the world , as Hilary proved again and again with Clinton foundation $  , has an interest and influence on our elections . 
            Diane , Is that the same?

            1. peoplepower73 profile image85
              peoplepower73posted 2 days ago in reply to this

              The FBI and the NSA are investigating Russian connections with Trump and his people, not Hillary and the Clinton foundation.  Even if their foundation tried to influence elections, which I don't believe they did, that doesn't make it right.

              The bigger problem here is the ruling on Citizens United and super PACS that can take in massive amounts of money from all over the world without any disclosure of funds.   You guys have missed the elephant in the room that really influences elections and it's all done legally, thanks to Justice Scalia's ruling that corporations have personhood.  Try to sue one and see how far you get.

            2. Ewent profile image82
              Ewentposted 2 days ago in reply to this

              The Clinton Foundation, if you bother to check, is regularly audited by the IRS. Since it is a charitable organization that helps thousands of women and children around the world, how does that compare to Donald Trump Jr. speaking for pay to a crowd of Russian investors?

              How does that compare to Trump lying about Obama wiretapping Trump Tower? How does it compare to Trump's link to Russia through Paul Manafort, Roger Stone and Cory Lewandowski?

              1. ahorseback profile image48
                ahorsebackposted 45 hours ago in reply to this

                For one , How little you have learned about the political offices , favors and influences  bought and sold by the Clintons  !    Two , Donald  Trump Jr.is a corporate head who can do anything he wants for money ,     he's not in office  , unlike Bill-Hilary  who was  ,  and three , the Clinton foundation  gave as little as ten percent  of their holdings to charity programs , some say .  four ,  The Obama  monitoring Trump issue  is just beginning  and doesn't look good for Obama or his people !   And so is the  whole "Russian connection investigation  just beginning , believe what you want !

                1. Ewent profile image82
                  Ewentposted 24 hours ago in reply to this

                  Wrong. My former employer was an ombudswoman to the SBA, had very close ties to many Republicans since she was a Republican and you need to stop "assuming" you know my political literacy.

                  I know more politicians than you ever will. One of my former employers left a Fortune 50 company to become a Senator. And you? You know your local corn pone and mutton chop politician?

                  Jeff Sessions apparently thought all he had to do was use that Good Ole Good Ole Good Ole Boy southern gentleman charm and we up north would just fall over adoring his quaint lil ole drawl and swagger. Try again. We weren't fooled by the 3 times married Georgia Peach Gingrich. What would make you think any hick politician could fool any of us?

                  Your boy Trump is going down. He never should have been allowed to run. He had  U.S. Treasury fine for money laundering in 2013. Who but the billionaires' boys club puts a mobster like Trump out there for president?

                  But you what? Since I've am more experienced than you ever will be about corporate CEO dogma, I can tell you where you and your right wing screwed up most: By allowing a thug like Trump to rise to the White House, he has now shined a huge Klieg light on the sneaky, high handed and underhanded goings on in corporations. Bet you anything those Billionaire CEOs who have been gaming the system for decades are none too happy about that.

  14. James Deal profile image60
    James Dealposted 2 days ago

    YOU ARE "STUPID (AND GULLIBLE),!!!LMAO,!!!JUST WHAT "ISIS" WANTS (ALLAH THE "DEVIL"<!!!

  15. Reason and Facts profile image81
    Reason and Factsposted 34 hours ago

    @ ahorseback You should really know things before you spout off.  The individual mandate was thought up by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.  Comical.

 
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