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The Obama Wiretapping Investigation

  1. crankalicious profile image85
    crankaliciousposted 2 weeks ago

    President Trump has stated that he found out former President Obama wiretapped him and has evidence to prove it. He has called for Congress to investigate.

    Question: Why would President Trump ask Congress to investigate when he already has the evidence to prove his claim?

    1. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      Because regardless of what he says, the liberal half of the nation will call him a liar?  Think back to when Obama "proved" he was born in Hawaii and the response to his absolute proof that he was.

      1. crankalicious profile image85
        crankaliciousposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        Wildnerness - WHAT?!?

        Trump says he has evidence. Yes, he's being called a liar. All he has to do is provide the evidence. Why call for an investigation when you have the evidence? Nobody will call him a liar if he provides the evidence he says he has.

        Ironic you should bring up the birth certificate issue. Trump promised he had explosive evidence proving that Obama was not born in this country. Where is it? We're still waiting.

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          Obama said he was a citizen.  The naysayers demand proof and he supplied it in the form of a state birth certificate.  Whereupon he was called a liar within hours and the naysayers said it wasn't true.

          The point is that the haters don't want truth, they won't accept truth.  They will ONLY accept what they want to hear, so why bother to try and provide evidence when it is a foregone conclusion that it will be declared a lie unless it "proves" what the listener wants it to?

          1. crankalicious profile image85
            crankaliciousposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            Evidence is evidence. Instead of wasting taxpayer money on an investigation into evidence he already has, why not just supply it? Otherwise, it makes sense for Congress to request it from the President.

            1. Credence2 profile image83
              Credence2posted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              It was stupid for the idiots to make the charge that Obama was not a citizen based on the mindless rants of Trump and the rabid Right. There was no basis for such an assault, as there is none for this allegation from the Trump crew, now.

              Didn't Trump have the nerve to ask for the President's transcripts, such temerity. Which former holder of the office was subject to such gall?

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                Ignoring the Trump bashing, yes it was stupid.  The first time I saw it I thought "Oh, come on - the GOP hasn't taken care of the question already?  The Justice Dept?  Somebody has, when he first filed to run for President".

                And yet it went on and on and on (without help from Trump), while he insisted he was a citizen.  And proved it, without stopping a thing.  Which is the point.

            2. wilderness profile image95
              wildernessposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              "Instead of wasting taxpayer money on an investigation into evidence he already has, why not just supply it? "

              At the risk of repeating myself, "Because regardless of what he says, the liberal half of the nation will call him a liar?"  And again, paraphrased: Because those claiming he lies will claim he lies regardless of what proof he provides.  Nothing Trump can say, show or do will convince them otherwise.

          2. dianetrotter profile image81
            dianetrotterposted 11 days ago in reply to this

            True!

      2. Credence2 profile image83
        Credence2posted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        This is disingenuous, so where is the proof for the outrageous allegation made by Trump? Or does he just receive automatic credibility for what ever he says?

        Don't dare to compare this with that stupid birther thing. The burden to prove that Obama was not born on the country fell upon him which he never proved and was at the greatest height of stupidity to think that HEknew more than all those whose task it was to verify such things long before Obama took the oath of office.

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          http://hubpages.com/politics/forum/1404 … ost2877411

          My comment isn't about evidence; it is about the unwillingness of Trump haters to accept any truth that does not "prove" what they want to hear.  Exactly as it was with the birther thing.

          1. Credence2 profile image83
            Credence2posted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            The misfit chick has it right, your idea that the left is not willing to accept the Truth just because it involves Trump is incorrect. Both she and I are just saying PROVE it. Is that asking so much?

            Why do you spend so much time dancing around this, what truth without evidence? Is that not important to you?

            Evidence is evidence so prove it, already.

            1. wilderness profile image95
              wildernessposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

              "Both she and I are just saying PROVE it. Is that asking so much?"

              I repeat myself: "Because regardless of what he says, the liberal half of the nation will call him a liar?"  Personally, I don't think you would accept anything he provided, claiming it either a lie or fake.  But either way, there is a huge number of Trump haters that won't whether you do or not, so why bother?  Let someone else provide it.

              Is it important to me?  No.  I don't believe for a second that anything would be done if it IS proven true, so why bother?  Proving once more that major political parties, and their members, violate the law isn't worth the time, money or effort - we already know quite well that such things are happening on a daily basis.  Including illegal wire taps.

              1. Credence2 profile image83
                Credence2posted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                Your opinion is mere conjecture on your part with no real basis in reality. No, I don't like Trump, but if Trump is right we have cause for concern as  this is a bombshell charge. So why are we being evasive and not asking for the same thing that you would have asked from Obama without all of the 'I believe that the facts and truth are irrelevant to those that are not in favor in Trump' stuff, that, in itself, is arrogance on its face.

                1. wilderness profile image95
                  wildernessposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

                  "Your opinion is mere conjecture on your part with no real basis in reality. "

                  Except that we saw that very thing (disbelief in the face of positive proof) in the birthers.  And more every day as people believe the garbage they're being fed by politicians and media (Trump banned Muslims, for instance, or doesn't think women can do the job even as he hired one to run his campaign).  It's called "reality" and pretending it doesn't happen doesn't change anything.

                  'I believe that the facts and truth are irrelevant to those that are not in favor in Trump'

                  But I haven't said that, insinuated that or even hinted at it.  Indeed, I've made it very clear that party affiliation doesn't affect it at all, and neither does liking Trump.  In the big picture, of course, not in specific cases; in those cases it is ALL about party politics.

                  1. dianetrotter profile image81
                    dianetrotterposted 11 days ago in reply to this

                    There is a lot of cognitive dissonance on the part of people who will only believe what supports their own beliefs.  How can people learn anything new or enlightening?

          2. crankalicious profile image85
            crankaliciousposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

            It's more than that. Trump said in his tweet that he learned of this. How did he learn of it? His handlers said that he has evidence others don't. It doesn't make any sense. He's asking Congress to investigate (spend taxpayer dollars) when he has the evidence in his possession. Isn't that just a waste?

    2. Valeant profile image89
      Valeantposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

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      1. Valeant profile image89
        Valeantposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

        On the lighter side though...

        https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13440248_f248.jpg

        1. Dean Traylor profile image82
          Dean Traylorposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

          https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13440256_f248.jpg

    3. Dean Traylor profile image82
      Dean Traylorposted 2 weeks ago in reply to this

      Smoke and mirrors....just a diversion to get the latest on the Russian scandal out of the news.

    4. Ewent profile image82
      Ewentposted 8 hours ago in reply to this

      Trump is like all sleazy CEOs. He simply believes in a CEO entitlement to lie and "recreate" facts. When he was asked by Tucker Carlson where he got the information he used to accuse President Obama of wiretapping, Trump said, "I got it from the paper." When pressed "which" paper, he admitted it was the National Enquirer. He considers the National Enquirer "real news" when this paper regularly prints and has cover pages that often borderline on sci fi bizarre.

      1. dianetrotter profile image81
        dianetrotterposted 2 hours ago in reply to this

        That is one thing he certainly did not lie about.  When asked where he gets his advice from, he proudly said, "The show!"

        Unbelievable!  No time for security briefings.  The shows tell him ever thing he needs to know.

      2. ahorseback profile image46
        ahorsebackposted 76 minutes ago in reply to this

        Except the National enquirer  is the darling model for liberals left-stream news media these days !

  2. ptosis profile image80
    ptosisposted 7 days ago

    The US has made a formal apology to Britain after the White House accused GCHQ of helping Barack Obama spy on Donald Trump in the White House.

    "Mr Spicer had earlier repeated claims that Barack Obama used GCHQ to spy on Mr Trump before he became president.

    "He’s able to get it and there’s no American fingerprints on it," Mr Spicer said of the intelligence supposedly provided to Mr Obama by Britain.

    "Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command - he didn't use the NSA, he didn't use the CIA, he didn't use the FBI and he didn't use the Department of Justice - he used GCHQ."" - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03 … retapping/

    Oh this is ridiculous. Tripling down in a torte of lie upon lie. Sad & dangerous.
    https://www.spreadshirt.com/image-server/v1/designs/13326187,width=178,height=178/trump-lies-matter.png

    1. Credence2 profile image83
      Credence2posted 7 days ago in reply to this

      And what price should Trump pay for the brazen lies and fabrications in this case? I suppose that all the Trumpets will quietly move on as if nothing has happened....

      1. ahorseback profile image46
        ahorsebackposted 7 days ago in reply to this

        And what price should Obama pay for lying to the American public taxpayer dozens of times ,  The Obama Care costs will driven down ,  " ............The coverage's will increase ......... the publics choices of health care providers will ALWAYS be  there ......... the costs will go down not up ........blah blah blah ........For implementing a colossal tax nightmare that will never go away .

        1. Credence2 profile image83
          Credence2posted 7 days ago in reply to this

          All of what you say is debatable, the point is that NOW Trump is President and he is going the pay the piper for stupidly stirring a cauldron of his own making.

          Trumpcare has not exactly gathered a great deal of support, haven't you noticed?

          1. ahorseback profile image46
            ahorsebackposted 7 days ago in reply to this

            Trump care or any care other than the previous versions of Medicaid,  SSI  , Medi-Care   should very well ALL be dumped .    what , les han 100 days and you want Trump too clean up the messes , many messes , created over the last  eight years or more ?   You still cannot dispute the fact that Trumps accomplishing more than  Obama did in a whole year or more .

            The competition in the regular economy is by far the best  resolution for " Any-name "  Health Care , open the state borders to  insurance company competing  and federally  regulate overall care and  performance !

            1. Credence2 profile image83
              Credence2posted 7 days ago in reply to this

              "You still cannot dispute the fact that Trumps accomplishing more than  Obama did in a whole year or more"

              On the contrary, I do dispute it. You sure did not allow Obama to blame Bush for the biggest economic meltdown of the economic in 80 years on his watch. So we need to avoid hypocrisy and take the same attitude toward Trump, after does not the 'buck stops here'?

              1. Valeant profile image89
                Valeantposted 7 days ago in reply to this

                His accomplishments to date:

                - Sowing violence against minorities and foreigners using angry rhetoric.
                - Disparaging the former president with made up conspiracy theories.
                - Rolling back environmental protections that will cause more incidents like Flint.
                - Cutting social programs that will hurt ordinary citizens such as Meals on Wheels.

                1. wilderness profile image95
                  wildernessposted 7 days ago in reply to this

                  Wow.  "Sowing violence" yet!  Outside of a few terrorists, who has been subjected to Trump's "violence"?

                  At this point one would have to ask for proof they are "made up" (bearing in mind that ignorance is not proof).  Or is the statement equally made up?

                  "that will cause more incidents like Flint."  I would surely love to have your crystal ball that can see the future!  It would be invaluable in playing the lottery.

                  Which social programs has he cut?  Not adjusted in a proposed budget, but actually cut, that will hurt ordinary citizens?

                  1. Oztinato profile image82
                    Oztinatoposted 7 days ago in reply to this

                    How on earth do chronic atheists support chronic right wing fundamentalists?
                    Hypocrisy.

                2. Credence2 profile image83
                  Credence2posted 7 days ago in reply to this

                  Yep, great job, Donnie. This man continues to astonish by the day.

          2. dianetrotter profile image81
            dianetrotterposted 7 days ago in reply to this

            Now Great Britain and Germany are being drawn into the drama.

            1. GA Anderson profile image85
              GA Andersonposted 6 days ago in reply to this

              Hello Dianetrotter,

              I saw the traditional after-meeting photo-op between Chancellor Merkel and Pres. Trump. I don't recall ever seeing one with such obvious negativity - on our president's side.

              Words don't fail me here, but caution does restrain my two typing fingers.

              And you just have to love the Brits for their use of "rubbish." I like that almost as much Biden's "malarkey."

              GA

              1. dianetrotter profile image81
                dianetrotterposted 6 days ago in reply to this

                This is so amazing to watch.  I still say something is wrong with him.  Dementia doesn't cause one to lie.  I think people are afraid to tell him.

                Merkel's expression was priceless!

            2. Credence2 profile image83
              Credence2posted 6 days ago in reply to this

              Who can be serious to think that this man is Presidential material? At least when Nixon lied he had plausible explanations to serve as diversion. This Trump guy is not even smart enough to do that. What is he hiding? I know that he did not listen to anybody before he started running his mouth. While Pence is a deplorable rightwinger in his own right, he probably was prudent enough to suggest to Trump to exercise  prior restraint before he made his administration look foolish. He must be insane and it is obvious that he simply lacks the temperament for the job. It does not matter, any number of contentious issues are closing in on Trump and as I said earlier, in time we will get him out!!!

              This is the stuff of sit-coms, not real life.

              1. dianetrotter profile image81
                dianetrotterposted 6 days ago in reply to this

                It appears that he is a good salesman.  He lies more than he breaths.

                Thank you for being on topic.  I know it's not my foturm but I like to stay on topic!

                1. Credence2 profile image83
                  Credence2posted 6 days ago in reply to this

                  He is not even a good salesman, he does lie and it seems to be as natural for him to tell a lie as it is for decent people to tell the truth.

          3. ahorseback profile image46
            ahorsebackposted 7 days ago in reply to this

            You  dispute it , are you dipping into the wine tonight ?,  You  make no sense. The difference ,Obama blamed bush after Obama's   failure of 3- 4- years ---Trumps been in office for less than a hundred days ...............?

            1. Credence2 profile image83
              Credence2posted 7 days ago in reply to this

              After the stupid accusation against Obama without a shred of evidence to support it, your man has shown his ample a$$ to the entire world. An apology is in order from the Stupid Orange one to Great Britain and Russia as well as Mr. Obama.

              But I know that his arrogant ego would never permit him to humble himself in such a way, he will leave the crow eating to Pense and his other assorted henchmen.

          4. GA Anderson profile image85
            GA Andersonposted 6 days ago in reply to this

            Cred, I will always be here to pull you back from that pure Blue abyss. But I must admit; my Purple is having a difficult time resisting jumping on your anti-Trump bandwagon. Fortunately, my optimism that 'hope springs eternal', is able to restrain my "hunt and peck" fingers - so far.

            GA

            1. Credence2 profile image83
              Credence2posted 6 days ago in reply to this

              GA, it ain't easy being me. But this so called experiment must have many in a state of buyers remorse and it has not been 60 days.

              You don't have to hold back, no point in resisting when giving in is as natural as going down a playground slide. So, let nature take its course.

              This guy is not right, it goes beyond politics, ideology and such. I am not keen on much within the GOP. But my problems with Bush and Reagan were ideological. This Trump is different, he has wolves within his own party that are going to have to deal with him before he brings down the whole she-bang.

              1. GA Anderson profile image85
                GA Andersonposted 6 days ago in reply to this

                Hmm... I think a little more time is needed. I will get back to you in a month or two.

                GA

        2. GA Anderson profile image85
          GA Andersonposted 6 days ago in reply to this

          Oh my! I just had a mental picture of my Mom marching over to your Mom's cloud and asking why she never taught you that 'Two wrongs don't make a right."

          GA

  3. surewaytohealth profile image61
    surewaytohealthposted 6 days ago

    Legally, the process would start with the DOJ or Congress to investigate. He could submit evidence but they have to verify it, either way.

  4. ptosis profile image80
    ptosisposted 17 minutes ago

    @ ahorseback  I don't get what you said - are you calling Trump a liberal?  The National Enquirer has an umbilical cord tethered to Team Trump, and only writes what Trump wants them to write.

    While the president labels many outlets “fake news,” he speaks with nothing but respect about the National Enquirer. He did so in his recent interview with Time magazine, whose Washington bureau chief brought up the tale of the Cruz family and the JFK assassination.

 
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