Say what you will about James Comey's performance as head of the FBI. You can think whatever you want about him. What is absolutely true is that he does NOT have the reputation of being a liar and there is historical evidence to back up his practice of taking accurate notes on his meetings. Both Republicans and Democrats regard Comey as somebody who tells the truth and he is somebody who has a record of telling the truth.
Therefore, if he testifies that Donald Trump attempted to stop or interfere with his investigation(s), will that end the Trump presidency? If that's what Comey testifies, then Donald Trump will be guilty of obstruction of justice, which is a crime.
Well, if wishes were fishes. But, if the guy testified in May that no one interfered with or attempted to stop the investigation and he would now say otherwise is he a liar now, a liar then, a sometimes liar or just unable to remember the facts?
I realize many would like a smoking gun in order to boot the president out of office buy I doubt we'll get one out of this.
Well, what we've learned from your post is that you read right-wing blogs and news feeds because James Comey did not testify that President Trump did not interfere with his investigation.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter … erence-fb/
Here's the full exchange you are referring to:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos … 034074c8a6
If ABC news is a right wing blog I suppose I'm guilty as charged.
Good to know that ABC reported the truth about Comey testifying that there was no interference in the investigation. Kudos to ABC.
Washington Post and Politifact don't have their facts straight, which is to be expected. They don't have much credibility left. As credible as a 1k a day crackhead...Sadly.
Comey, (in fact) testified under oath that there was no interference in his investigation, saying that would be a 'big deal'. Never in his experience has that happened not from Trump either.
"James Comey Admits Trump Admin Didn’t Obstruct Investigation"
That's a Mark Dice comedy video. Its very funny to watch Democrats lie publicly. Skip to about the 1:40 mark to hear Mr. Comey testify under oath.
Really, its the liberal leaning sites that spew-out mis-information and fail to report important facts. Its no wonder so many good people are so mis-informed. That is the saddest part.
I've included an actual transcript of his testimony, so you can read it for yourself and see that's not what he said.
I did, and she asked the question:
So if the Attorny General or Senior Officials says that the Department of Justice opposes a specific investigation, can they halt that FBI investigation?
COMEY: In theory, yes.
So your statement is true here:
then you lied when you said that Comey said "
Comey's prepared statement for tomorrow found here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the … annotated/
"It turned out to be just the two of us, seated at a small oval table in the center of the Green Room. Two Navy stewards waited on us, only entering the room to serve food and drinks.
The President began by asking me whether I wanted to stay on as FBI Director, which I found strange because he had already told me twice in earlier conversations that he hoped I would stay, and I had assured him that I intended to. He said that lots of people wanted my job and, given the abuse I had taken during the previous year, he would understand if I wanted to walk away.
My instincts told me that the one-on-one setting, and the pretense that this was our first discussion about my position, meant the dinner was, at least in part, an effort to have me ask for my job and create some sort of patronage relationship. That concerned me greatly, given the FBI’s traditionally independent status in the executive branch ..........
........ On the morning of April 11, the President called me and asked what I had done about his request that I “get out” that he is not personally under investigation. I replied that I had passed his request to the Acting Deputy Attorney General, but I had not heard back. He replied that “the cloud” was getting in the way of his ability to do his job. He said that perhaps he would have his people reach out to the Acting Deputy Attorney General. I said that was the way his request should be handled. I said the White House Counsel should contact the leadership of DOJ to make the request, which was the traditional channel.
He said he would do that and added, “Because I have been very loyal to you, very loyal; we had that thing you know.” I did not reply or ask him what he meant by “that thing.” I said only that the way to handle it was to have the White House Counsel call the Acting Deputy Attorney General. He said that was what he would do and the call ended.
That was the last time I spoke with President Trump."
IMHO 'that thing' was Trump let Comey keep his job and now wanted Comey to do some PR work putting the word out they the FBI was not investigating Trump himself.
What you're hoping for is a dream , How you describe Comey is partial at best , He obviously has egotistical and self serving issues , Obama didn't like him although he hired him ,Hilary Hated him with a passion , democrats hated him, obviously more than any of this The Media uses him and love-hates his theatrics at the same time .
Trump also , is so far above the sensitive phase that liberals hope for as to render him bullet proof to these P.C , media driven and liberally swallowed causes .
I have said Comey will be working in the MSNBC , CNN , Oprah media lead talk shows and Invititation only liberal college circuits for years .I sure hope Comey can fit that in with his book tour schedules .
It's truly impressive how you don't answer a question and how your mind works in such a completely irrational fashion (well, irrational from my perspective. I'm sure I'm irrational to you). Honestly, I had a discussion tonight with another "liberal". Neither one of us thinks Trump probably did anything wrong vis a vis Russia. Whether those around him did something wrong is another matter. All that just doesn't matter to me.
What I'm saying is that James Comey is respected in Washington and he's got a reputation as somebody who tells the truth. Your assertion that he's egotistical and self-serving is straight out of Trump's mouth. Basically, everything Trump says, you regurgitate in some form. That's fine.
Then there's reality. If James Comey testifies that Trump did not ask him to stop his investigation or interfere with it, then no problem. If he testifies to the opposite, and his notes back it up, Trump is in real trouble.
Can we even agree on this: if you are the President and you ask the FBI Director to stop an investigation that involves you and your staff and/or you do anything to impede that investigation, you are guilty of a crime.
Answer , uhhhh , No.!
One more "wish upon a star" for the Hilary or Sanders sore losers , take your pick .of washington or willy wonka land ,If you really knew people , you would know Comey is a man playing the system for the cameras , A career government mule , a systematic obstructionist for personal gain , the politics of benefits and pensions , Trump hasn't gone down yet and he ain't going down tomorrow . Is THAT clear enough for the baby obstructionist in you ?
Tomorrow ,, Comey will speak for a hour and say absolutely nothing . A hilary speech. An Obama rant .
Clear enough ?
Actually, today Comey was questioned on who has the authority to stop an investigation. He answered saying he thought the president could direct who can be investigated and who cannot be investigated. He was correct. A president can also pardon anyone.
There is a lot of speculation, (or leaks), that Comey will not say Pres. Trump attempted to obstruct his investigation, but I will leave that to the pundits and answer your question.
From what I have heard and seen, Pres. Trump did not demand the investigation be dropped, or attempt to stop it. Or threaten Comey. He only asked that the FBI let it die. As long as Comey left the meeting feeling he still had a choice, (and the leaks about his back-up memo says he did), then I do not think Pres. Trump is guilty of obstruction. Inappropriate actions for sure, but not obstruction.
I read some stuff about Comey's intended testimony. It struck me as smart. He's apparently going to provide his perspective, but believe that his opinion about what Trump was trying to do is "irrelevant". That's likely to make his testimony more powerful.
If he left the meeting feeling he still had a choice, then was subsequently fired after choosing to continue the investigation, do you think the previous conversations might be viewed in a different light?
There you go again PrettyPanther ... asking tricky questions. ;-)
But it is a good question.
Putting the two events together could possibly paint them both as efforts to obstruct. Or, since even Pres. Trump must have been aware, (a dangerous assumption?), that firing Comey would not have stopped the investigation, the former may still have been only an effort to influence, and the latter may have been an act of pique due to the former's failure.
In other words; Pres. Trump may have fired Comey because he was pissed off Comey wouldn't do what he wanted. Revenge or retribution don't seem implausible attributes to Pres. Trump's actions.
Just how or actually why does the left expect armageddon from Comey's biased Obama investigations of Trump , but didn't expect him to do and feel the same for Hillary , Oh yea ...........forgot about that one huh ? Hilary's emails from her rinky dink broom closet server were intercepted by FIVE separate foreign intelligence agencies , Comey investigate that , uhhhh why not ?
Anybody suspect by now that James Comey's a 'Deep State" dopus ?
Remember what I said about a book deal and a MSNBC anchor job ..........Fire up the barbie George Soros , here comes James Comey.
Given the recent reports that Trump has been seething ever since Sessions recused himself from all matters having to do with the Russia investigation, I think your assessment that Trump could have fired Comey mostly out of anger at Comey's "disloyalty" might be right.
It's all going to come out eventually. As Carl Bernstein of Watergate fame keeps saying, where there's smoke there's fire, and there's an awful lot of smoke in this case.
The president knew exactly what he was doing when he invited the FBI chief to a private dinner at the White House and asked him to pledge his loyalty. And on Valentine's Day, when the president asked Comey to stay behind in the Oval Office, Trump was clearing the way for what he knew was an inappropriate conversation.
Attorney General Jeff Sessions surely realized what was going on. That's why he was reluctant to leave. So did Trump's son-in-law andadviser, Jared Kushner, who also lingered behind until the president excused him from the room.
Trump wanted the investigation into fired National Security Adviser Michael Flynn's contact with the Russians to end. And he went straight to the man in charge to tell him to drop it.
I suspect it will take a combination of Comey, Mueller and closed-door testimoney by Coats and Rogers to trigger any impeachment proceedings.
Impeachment is more likely if Coats and Rogers say that Trump asked them to intervene, which they refused to answer during the public testimony.
But Comey sure could damage Trump if he testifies about his notes and especially if he confirms he told other officials about pressure from Trump.
Why did Comey leak his own notes to the NYT? It seems odd for the ex-Director of the FBI...
He seems like a stand up guy. He should have resigned if he felt he couldn't trust his boss - President Trump...IMHO
He didn't "leak" anything. "Leak"implies that the information he shared was classified or otherwise confidential. It wasn't.
That is naive , He will be lucky to avoid charges for breaking the trust of a private presidential meeting........ about a fed . investigation ! He worked FOR Trump.
been already said that he won't state if an obstruction of justice.
By the way ., I would suggest liberal obstructionists contact Michael Moore , he has offered his services to Shallow - Deep State leakers anywhere !
Certainly, one thing President Trump says is true: he could gun somebody down in cold blood and his supporters would still love him.
Apparently, if reports yesterday are true, he siphoned off money meant for a kid's cancer charity for his own personal benefit. So, he's getting close.
And keep in mind, this is coming from Forbes based on tax information:
http://www.sfgate.com/technology/busine … 200857.php
THe President don't stand trial while in office, so we need to wait until at least 4 years later, till he can stand trial
Political Incompetence Is an Impeachable Offense. but there will be no impeachment.
Suppose, for example, that a sitting President is diagnosed with a mental illness that a competent authority decides makes the President unable to carry out his duties, but the President refuses to step down. Assuming this President commits no impeachable crimes, can he still be removed?
25th amendment Section 4.
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
But if the President objects—declaring in writing “that no inability exists”—it gets complicated: then the Vice-President and a majority of the Cabinet, or of Congress, have to tell the Speaker and the president pro tem that the President can’t do his job. Then it’s up to Congress, which would have forty-eight hours to meet, twenty-one days to decide, and then to vote, by a two-thirds majority, on whether to give the President’s powers to the Vice-President.
Of Course , 25th amendment would create a crisis and won't be invoked, because the following was a warning in 2016 and nobody cared:
Statement by former national security officials (2016)
The undersigned individuals have all served in senior national security and/or foreign policy positions in Republican Administrations, from Richard Nixon to George W. Bush. We have worked directly on national security issues with these Republican Presidents and/or their principal advisers during wartime and other periods of crisis, through successes and failures. We know the personal qualities required of a President of the United States.
None of us will vote for Donald Trump.
From a foreign policy perspective, Donald Trump is not qualified to be President and Commander-in-Chief. Indeed, we are convinced that he would be a dangerous President and would put at risk our country’s national security and well-being.
Most fundamentally, Mr. Trump lacks the character, values, and experience to be President. He weakens U.S. moral authority as the leader of the free world. He appears to lack basic knowledge about and belief in the U.S. Constitution, U.S. laws, and U.S. institutions, including religious tolerance, freedom of the press, and an independent judiciary.
In addition, Mr. Trump has demonstrated repeatedly that he has little understanding of America’s vital national interests, its complex diplomatic challenges, its indispensable alliances, and the democratic values on which U.S. foreign policy must be based. At the same time, he persistently compliments our adversaries and threatens our allies and friends. Unlike previous Presidents who had limited experience in foreign affairs, Mr. Trump has shown no interest in educating himself. He continues to display an alarming ignorance of basic facts of contemporary international politics. Despite his lack of knowledge, Mr. Trump claims that he understands foreign affairs and 'knows more about ISIS than the generals do.'
Mr. Trump lacks the temperament to be President. In our experience, a President must be willing to listen to his advisers and department heads; must encourage consideration of conflicting views; and must acknowledge errors and learn from them. A President must be disciplined, control emotions, and act only after reflection and careful deliberation. A President must maintain cordial relationships with leaders of countries of different backgrounds and must have their respect and trust.
In our judgment, Mr. Trump has none of these critical qualities. He is unable or unwilling to separate truth from falsehood. He does not encourage conflicting views. He lacks self-control and acts impetuously. He cannot tolerate personal criticism. He has alarmed our closest allies with his erratic behavior. All of these are dangerous qualities in an individual who aspires to be President and Commander-in-Chief, with command of the U.S. nuclear arsenal.
We understand that many Americans are profoundly frustrated with the federal government and its inability to solve pressing domestic and international problems. We also know that many have doubts about Hillary Clinton, as do many of us. But Donald Trump is not the answer to America’s daunting challenges and to this crucial election. We are convinced that in the Oval Office, he would be the most reckless President in American history.
SIMPLE , THE ABOVE------TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY HOGWASH !
LIBERAL WHINERS , GET OVER YOURSELVES
Fifty Republican former national security officials issued an open letter affirming they would not vote for Donald Trump and deeming him dangerously unfit for POTUS. Are you saying that a personal single opinion is more legit and has more credibility then 50 Republican former national security officials?
I did not know you are/were had/have Super-duper over-the-top security clearance with omnipresence. I feel blessed to have interacted with such greatness. I'm in awe.
Just five months in office, and Trump has already demonstrated that their concerns were legitimate.
Sanders says the Teflon Don is not a liar. Who on this forum doesn't think he's a chronic liar?
"Those were lies. Plain and simple,"
"I was honestly concerned he might lie about the nature of our meeting."
Comey directly disputed three more claims by Trump:
That Comey had sought the Feb. 14 meeting to ask to stay on as FBI director
That Comey ever reached out to Trump via phone
That Trump's "No, no. Next question" assertion about whether he asked Comey to drop the Flynn investigation was true
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/0 … ony-239295
All Honest Don has to do is produce those tapes he threatened Comey with. The truth would then be known. Or, is it possible Honest Don was merely making an empty threat? Hmmmm, such a mystery....a mystery that could be quickly resolved with those tapes.
Of course, Comey testified under oath today. I know who I would trust and it isn't Honest Don.
If there are 'tapes', then like Nixon, he must produce them since government records
The stupidity and the awesome display of Comey's incompetence is displayed amazingly in his every response yesterday , -----WHILE liberals everywhere AND their "downstream" media continue to ignore that it was actually Comey who broke both our confidence in government offices , and the law of the land as well .
Without any input whatsoever by Trump .
Okay, if you are right, why won't Trump produce the tapes? It would discredit Comey and clear Trump. Why won't he do that? It would put this issue to rest and save us taxpayers a a lot of money. Why won't your clever businessman simply release the tapes?
I think what possibly ,you and many , many people lack is the intuitive ability to tell the difference between a liar and a politician , or a businessman and a career celebrity exibitionist for that matter . I have seen Comey as one , a VERY self serving and obviously a devout liberal , and two a career government employee who lacks the sense of duty and loyalty to serve HIS JOB period and not the ideology of those that hired him .
All the more reaso he should have been immediately fired .
Trump is easy for many to personally dislike , really easy , me included , BUT the leadership ability is extraordinary , the ability to push , cajole , force , bribe and move mountains is his to own .
Stand back and watch a leader .
Everyones Advice ; Stop trying to "LIKE " your leader ..Simple
Is that a typical liberal response or do you like to ignore reason , or is there actually a question you specifically want answered ? Tapes ? If there are any , it still may not answer the difference between Trumps ;"...........I hope you can let this go .............." And Comey's ..." I believe in my heart he was telling me ......."
Remember this ; this was just all okay with liberals everywhere , "What difference , at this point , does it make ?"
I'll answer this way , What difference DOES it make now , tape or no tape ? You will only go on to the nest obstruction on the your anti-Trump menu anyway !
What difference does it make?
James Comey better hope that there are no "tapes" of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!
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An empty threat? If so, why? If Trump isn't worried, why would he bother with this silly threat? If the tapes exist, he should be eager to share them. If they don't, then he is a liar or a bully or both. I think even his supporters know the truth about that.
I think you are missing the point.
Trump use this warning to let Comey know that he should tell the truth.
I would not be surprised if there is no tape of their conversation.
It was a tactic to flush him out.
1. trump reads some info leaked to the nyt that is misleading
2. He announces in a tweet that there may be tapes
3. comey got nervous and released more info...
4. Comey testifies and confirm what Trump has been saying all along...
5. Trump disfused the scandal which was nothing to begin with.
6. Lesson - Leaking is not good when you are the director of the FBI, current or ex.
Interesting interpretation. Trump is still refuting some key points of Comey's testimony, though, which is the same as accusing him of lying under oath. The tapes would resolve once and for all who is telling the truth. But, of course, we will all be shocked if they exist. Comey hopes they do exist.
According to Comey, his one-on-one dinner with Trump on Jan. 27 was “an effort to have me ask for my job and create some sort of patronage relationship. That concerned me greatly, given the FBI’s traditionally independent status in the executive branch.”
and we have a 2nd person saying the same thing:
"Bharara, the former U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York ousted by President Trump, said Sunday that he had become increasingly uncomfortable with Trump’s efforts to “cultivate some kind of relationship” with him and that his March firing came 22 hours after finally refusing to take a call from the president.
In an interview with George Stephanopoulos on ABC’s “This Week,” Bharara said Trump called him twice as president-elect, “ostensibly just to shoot the breeze.” The calls took place after a meeting at Trump Tower in November at which Bharara, who was appointed by President Barack Obama, said Trump asked him to stay on in the new administration" - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos … baeea9bc33
So now we have two people describing the same MO of Trump to influence lawman into some sort of patronage relationship. Trump is a toxic narcissist whose animal instinct is to breach America’s institutional restraints and enforce personal fealty in the manner of a lawless mob boss.
"Is Trump a problem because he is incompetent or because he harbors autocratic designs that threaten American democracy itself? We all need to be ultra vigilant against Trump's alarming indifference to the basic norms of self-government, his affection for thuggish leaders and his vicious attitude toward opponents. He will fire anyone who gets in his way. Trump's dismissal of Sally Yates, the acting attorney general, and Preet Bharara, the U.S. attorney in New York, can now be seen in a more sinister light. Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general on whom the Trump initially tried to pin responsibility for Comey's firing, may be next — if he is the person of integrity." - http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/5287232-1 … s-trump-is
I will be the first to say that after Comey's testimony, there is not enough there to impeach President Trump.
Thanks for being an honest stand up guy. The main street media can learn from you. You don't have to like Trump but this charade and false narrative they are portraying is not helping anyone.
I don't think it's a charade or a false narrative. I think that Trump's people did a lot of stuff they shouldn't have done, but I think Trump himself was probably just operating in a business-like fashion and for him, that meant arranging deals and setting the stage for future deals. That said, Trump has a mix of business people and political people working for him. I suspect that the political ones interpreted his directives quite differently from his business people. After all, there is political speak and business speak. We admire business people and hate politicians. It all comes down to intent. I think Trump intended to make deals. I think some of his people, like Flynn, tried to operate outside the law.
And I think what Trump hates most about all of this is that it makes him look incompetent and he wants the media to stop reporting that his White House is in chaos.
Well said! Now if the REST of the country can just recognize that Trump is not the run-of-the-mill politician, with normal political goals and methodology, we might actually get down to running the country.
I can appreciate what crankalicious said. It really shows that he is thinking. I may not agree with everything, but when people are using thought it is a wonderful thing to see.
Lol, the rest of the country does recognize that. Some think his goals and methodology are great; others not so much.
Not only did it turn out to be nothing there .. But it turned out to be no nothing here , there or anywhere near there, there ! After listening to three ours of Comey say , repeatedly to questions ...........".......I could be wrong but ......" .about one hundred times , and then having him admit to being the leaker to ...".....My friends in the media ........" when he found out he was fired , I am thoroughly convince Trump was absolutely justified in firing Comey , AND that he should have done on the first day in office .
I can only hope that someone brings such deserving charges against Comey !
If Pres.Obama had actually" had a set " he would have fired him for all the incompetence before then EXCEPT that Comey was definitely of a highly polluted liberal supporter of THAT administration .
What a vacillating meathead Comey turns out to be !
What difference does it make? This is the tame, logical end of the stick...
The most likely reason for Trump feeling a need to talk to Comey inappropriately & ALONE so many times; is because of his 'bullying' experience as a businessman clashing with his INEXPERIENCE as potus. He seems either completely clueless about processes and even what his position does. He takes on everything as if he is a dictator bellowing orders that are supposed to be immediately followed. That's how things happen in the business world, so thats how things should work in Washington, right?
We've seen all kind of subtle and larger (like this) examples of Trump's 'inexperience' (if that's what it is); and the really funny thing is... If Barack Obama had attempted to elbow his way around like Trump has, talking to whomever whenever about whatever, bullying & grandstanding (and tweeting!) to get his way - his haters would have been screaming for his impeachment.
Of all the NERVE... that BLACK guy with the scary Muslim name!! A good old fashioned lynching is what HE needs!!!
And you're an expert on presidential "experience or inexperience "........How ?
Don't forget Pres. Obama is only "......half black ......." by his own admission . But how the left always gets to race used to baffle me , now I fully know it's just an excuse to avoid reason in a debate at all costs .
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