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Obama: Is He Destroying America?

  1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
    Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago

    With everything in America on a downward spiral, why on earth is President Obama using a shovel to help us. Please read <snipped - do not start threads for the sole purpose of promotion or posting links>

    I'm ready to answer all Obama supporters. I live near Chicago and I'm familiar with his overall strategy. It all goes back to.......................

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The Spiral began before Pres. Obama was elected.
      Im just curious ,since I wasnt here(USA) during George Bush's term (though there was plenty said Internationally)
      Did people make the same statements then , like what I hear bandied about Pres. Obama now?

      1. My Inner Jew profile image85
        My Inner Jewposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        From what I remember of the news at the time of George Bush's presidency is they did not want to at all do any bailouts and that the republican party was trying to block it, but we became in such a bind that they voted for it. 
        However, we know how bad the bailouts were as we heard stories of how CEO's were using it.
        I think Obama is getting alot of flak because he said he is not happy with the moderate increase in the economy and is increasing continuous bailouts.  The economy won't get back on its feet immediately after a recession and I think alot of people were expecting that.
        With these bailouts comes a higher increase in taxes which is going to hit the middle class hard.

        1. Larry Clifton profile image61
          Larry Cliftonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Obama has been massaged and propped up by an adoring MSM. However even the stupid atr beginning to stir as jobs quickly dissappear and the Democrats continue to raise taxes, print funny money, borrow from China and increase deficit spending by trillions annually. Obama is no economist and his spending is unsustainable. The economy will fall in a way we have never seen if the U.S. does not return to democracy.

          1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
            Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Your memory isn't very good. The bank bailout began under George W. Bush on the advice of Treasury Secretary Paulsen, former CEO of Goldman Sachs which benefited greatly from the bailout and now is back to near-record profits. Bush's spending like a drunken sailor and cutting taxes for the richest Americans put us into our current predicament. Obama is doing his best to get us out of the hole.

      2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        George Bush was always treated poorly by the press. They treat Obama like "The Second Coming." Oops, except for FOX NEWS Channel. They tell it like it is but liberal's won't accept that.

        You must be from Australia or New Zealand, enjoy life here. Everything is going to get worse here, as in other countries. But the world neds America to lead it, Obama wants to be an equal.

      3. vshining profile image60
        vshiningposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I totally agree, but rest assure they will never admit it!

  2. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    Please note that advertising and promotional posts in the forums will be deleted and may result in the closing of your HubPages account. Do not start threads for the sole purpose of promotion or posting links. Please use the Forums in the spirit of community!

    1. andromida profile image75
      andromidaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Amen.

  3. HealthCare Basics profile image81
    HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago

    Obama walked into a crap pile, so using a shovel may be the best start to digging out........ smile

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol Health good point..

    2. nicomp profile image60
      nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Buying platinum shovels for everyone may not be the best way to start digging.

      1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Or making it deeper.

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
          Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well Bush had 8 yrs so I think some of you are being awfully hasty passing judging on Pres O after only 6mths?

          1. Misha profile image74
            Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            He-he, last time I heard this line, Obama supporters were asking for at least 100 days. Now 6 months is not enough. Perpetual extension of evaluation deadline, right? wink

            1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
              Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yea how come he won then smile...
              If that wasnt America speaking up, and saying enough ,dunno what would be

              1. Misha profile image74
                Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Umm, and what this has to do with the deadline extension?

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                  Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I have heard no one of any relevance, save Fox News pundits, asking for any 'extension deadline' for noting improvements in the economy.  Those who are serious about such matters are hoping--for all involved--that the economy does improve.  This should not be a partisan issue.  This is an American issue...it is everyone's country.

                  Those who would have our President, his policies and our economy fail are not analyzing their own enlightened self-interest right, IMHO.

                  1. Misha profile image74
                    Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I was actually talking about EagleKiwi smile

                    And those who are serious about such matters don't hope, they prepare themselves to what is ahead. smile

                2. Eaglekiwi profile image75
                  Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Extension, oh sorry , I dont know why they would even feel they needed to prove anything?

          2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
            Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Bush didn't try to socialize America.

    3. RKHenry profile image79
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You are absolutely right in what you said above! 

      The mess America has found herself in is because of George W. Bush's lack of understanding and self made Republican politics.  If Teddy Roosevelt had been alive today, I think he would have raised hell with Bush's monopolizing, big company Republican politics!!!  So why is it that the Republican party can NOT admit it, and HELP fix it? Instead of constantly bitching about Obama and the Democrats who are trying to shovel their way out of this mess, that they the Republican party leadership started, for us the American people!  The more the Republicans rant, spread hate and bicker with every slightest theory or solution, the deeper this country falls.  Now how is that Obama's fault?

      1. Misha profile image74
        Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        LOL Actually Bush walked into a crap pile too. smile As many other presidents before him. And every single one of them (including Obama and Roosevelt) kept adding to this pile, instead of shoveling it to where it belongs...

        1. tksensei profile image61
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          And the next president after Obama is gonna say the same thing. It's just what everyone says to avoid being held personally responsible for as long as possible. It's always true to a certain extent and they always try to milk it for as long as they can.

          1. My Inner Jew profile image85
            My Inner Jewposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            And the president only has so much power.  We have a check and balances system...we can't blame the president for everything.  It is also our Senate and House of Representatives.

          2. ajcor profile image60
            ajcorposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            In our country we call this the "honeymoon" period and I guess it lasts just about as long!

            1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
              Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Doesn't anyone remember what things were like when Bush took over. Bush made the economy thrive for years.

              1. Moonchild60 profile image86
                Moonchild60posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Bush made, did someone just...was that Bush made the economy thrive for years was that what I heard?  Hmmm...i do remember how great it was when Clinton was in office.  Great freakin years economically...everyone was doing great, then I remember shit hitting a fan...and it got real ugly after that...and then its just a blur and a presidential approval rating of like 6.

                1. tksensei profile image61
                  tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Look up the figures. Also look up Congressional approval ratings vs the president.

                  1. Moonchild60 profile image86
                    Moonchild60posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Maybe I will just look up and see all the people suffering because of the major corporations and banking industries running amok and going unchecked by NOT having any government involvement and then I will look up and see how someone is in there who did in fact inherit more crap that any other president in quite some time, is trying to get them straight. Regan promised quite a few years ago that he would give all sorts of benefits to the rich (which is why they adore him) and it would have a "tickle down" effect to the rest of us.  That is not the way economics works.  Not a damn thing trickled down but a longer recession.

                    You know what does however trickle down?  Poverty. When those major coroprations and banks were failing, so does Wall street. Does anyone know what happens when Wall street continues to fail?  I think you do. In saving those jerks, and i am sure he did not want to, as many of us wanted them to just die, would have put the rest of us in a whole lot more pain.  I bitched and complained about Obama throwing money at those people and my highly educated/professor/intellectual husband (yeah you live with it), informed me that I was being ignorant and the ramifications of those banks and companies failing would have had such a disastrous effect on this country, indeed the world, that we may have never recovered for decades.  There is alot of information out there and my husband actually had me watch some extremely informative and educated people speaking on how bad this really was (that the public was never informed about for fear of panic) and how hard it was to save it.  It continues to be an on-going process.  We are not out of the woods yet by a long shot.    Being a Republican and feeling a NEED to trash the Democratic president will not change the fact that according to the most influential and educated financial minds in this country, and out of it, He really had absolutely no choice whatsoever if he didn't want this country to be in a situation which "would have rivaled the great depression".  Their exact words.

                2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                  Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Clinton also lucked out with the computer age. The economy was on a down slide when Bush took over Tax cuts brought it back, check it out.

        2. Teresa McGurk profile image82
          Teresa McGurkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Misha, remember that when Bush took office, the country had a trade SURPLUS, not a deficit of however many gazillions it is now.

          1. Misha profile image74
            Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Actually a country as big as USA has a lot of inertia, and a standard reply to your standard argument is that it took a while for Clinton deeds to mature, and they matured during Bush presidency. smile

            However it is not my point, I maintain that all republican AND democrat presidents since at least early 1900s did contribute to our current state of affairs smile

            1. Teresa McGurk profile image82
              Teresa McGurkposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Cool --fair point, well taken.

              1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Please don't believe what you commented on. Did you not have a good life at any time?

        3. rastrother profile image61
          rastrotherposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          yep. agreed

      2. tksensei profile image61
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Wow. "Spread hate"? How so? As for "bickering," that's what the opposition party does; what it's supposed to do. When the Republicans were in the majority that's what the Democrats did. That's just how it works. Did you hold Democrats to the same standard mentioned above when the Republicans were in the majority? I hope not.

        1. RKHenry profile image79
          RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          No, I hold the American populace to that standard though.  It is our job to see to it that our Congressmen and women are doing their job.  But lately, the American people are too busy labeling each other, bickering over whats right or wrong; like any of us really has a clue, instead of banding together to get something freaking done for once.  Just look at this thread.  Very productive.  NOT!

          1. tksensei profile image61
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            "Lately"?!


            So when the Republicans were in the majority you encouraged everyone to stop "bickering over what's right or wrong" and just "band together to get something done"?

          2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
            Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Talk about your own threads, pal. I gave everyone something to think about, I can't help it if they reply the same time, aftertime, after time.....................does it stop?

        2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Wait for the next election, the Demorat's will be in trouble.

      3. My Inner Jew profile image85
        My Inner Jewposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I would say teddy rosevelt would agree with half the republicans...He said when he created social security that it was to only last ten years and to only help people out of the depression.  I am a republican and we don't stand for monopolies...we stand for a capitalist economy. Everyone has the right to work hard for their money and earn from their money.  I see ranting from both sides of the parties...It is not all republican and it is not all democrate.  Both parties need to put their prejudices against each other aside.  A country can't hope to stand if it is divided and that is showing now.  Alot of our problems deals with our division between democratic and republican.  Each party is trying to show up the other by not letting anything happen. So we can't point the blame at just one group or one person or one party.

        1. tksensei profile image61
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Um, might want to read that again...

          1. My Inner Jew profile image85
            My Inner Jewposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            No Roosevelt most definitely said that...i had to write a paper on it in highschool most of his policies were not to be lasting...we had a big debate on it in class

            1. RKHenry profile image79
              RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              TEDDY, not FDR!wink

              1. My Inner Jew profile image85
                My Inner Jewposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                sad i can barely remember my friends names half the time...i am terrible with names! ok so Franklin Delano Roosevelt said it not Theodore Roosevelt

              2. tksensei profile image61
                tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Reverse that

                1. RKHenry profile image79
                  RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  No I was talking about TEDDY. The Republican "Trust Breaker." I won my debate, in debate class.  I clearly know to whom I'm writing about. Nevermind.  This has gotten to be somewhat pointless.

                  1. tksensei profile image61
                    tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Not who you were talking about, who she was talking about.

            2. tksensei profile image61
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              psssst....


              ...wrong Roosevelt...

            3. Misha profile image74
              Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Nothing is more permanent than a temporary solution - Russian saying tongue

              1. My Inner Jew profile image85
                My Inner Jewposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Haha thats a good saying...

              2. onthewriteside profile image73
                onthewritesideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Gotta love that quote!

          2. Ralph Deeds profile image69
            Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yep. Teddy Roosevelt had nothing to do with creating Social Security.

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Amen.  But I won't be as nice.  Bush and cronies are darned near criminals for their fleecing of the sheep to support a few families wealth in the eyes of many people.  Perhaps not here on Hubpages, but many people with their eyes open.

        Let us not forget those who support Obama are the MAJORITY.  The Republican party has been decimated by the actions of these neocons.

      5. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Didn't the Democrat's do the same thing when Bush was in office. They never offered any plans, Obama keeps Republican's out of most meetings.

      6. Moonchild60 profile image86
        Moonchild60posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        AMEN!!!!

        1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Open your eyes to history, Obama hasn't.

          1. RKHenry profile image79
            RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Really?

    4. Army Infantry Mom profile image59
      Army Infantry Momposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree with you !!!

    5. Katharella profile image70
      Katharellaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      LOL yeah that's a good one, I hope he has a REALLY BIG shovel!
      wink

      1. Rochelle Frank profile image90
        Rochelle Frankposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes he HAS a big shovel... and shoveling all of that money into big corporations and big pockets is supposed to save us?

        Dig your heels in folks-- regular people are going to have to help themselves and each other. When have big government  strategies, working with big taxpayer money, ever helped things? Thomas Jefferson-- (or maybe someone else) said,the  government that governs least, governs best.
        I think someone is digging us in deeper.

        1. BundleBoy profile image71
          BundleBoyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Rochelle Frank I cannot agree more. The hole is getting deeper by the day. Freaks me out.

        2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    6. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He is deepening it quickly. Bush actually had some good programs, the people watching over them made him look bad. He was not perfect.

  4. HealthCare Basics profile image81
    HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago

    smile

  5. onthewriteside profile image73
    onthewritesideposted 7 years ago

    "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.  I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
    - Barack Obama


    I think that quote says it all!

    1. Misha profile image74
      Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The Leader of my country said the same thing,I suspect they all say similiar things , patriotism is natural and good for the people smile so long as it doesnt make them arrogant

        1. Misha profile image74
          Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          LOL You did not catch the humor in this, did you? smile

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
            Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            yep the contradiction you mean? smile

            1. Misha profile image74
              Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              LOL not sure it is called a contradiction, when guy states he lives in the greatest nation, and then states he is going to change it. lol

              1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
                Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                yep is it a contrary statement , its just one of those patriotic speeches , which every country does as well..
                in our family we call it 'the da blah blah blah'
                I lost count how many times , our new Prime Minister rambled on about "moving forward" then increased taxes on fuel lol trust me our car wasnt moving the same after that

                1. onthewriteside profile image73
                  onthewritesideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes I like to refer to our President as Oblahblah as well.

                  1. Misha profile image74
                    Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Onthewriteside, please edit your post and remove the extra quote tag from it, it messes up the thread smile

              2. Jewels profile image82
                Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                A twisted contradiction.  I'm wondering who will overtake the USA as the greatest nation on earth?  Maybe that's another forum discussion.

                1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                  Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Look at history, great power's fall from within. That's what Obama is doing. Lower our standings and make us equal, except for a few like him. The people lose incentive and society goes down. With socialized medicine in England 15% of the doctors are now trained in India and Pakistan.

          2. onthewriteside profile image73
            onthewritesideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks Misha....I was beginning to think maybe I was the only one who read it that way!

            1. Misha profile image74
              Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You are welocme. Rest assured quite a few people saw it the same way, they just did not post yet for some reason smile

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                dennisemattposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                i was just waiting to get to the end of the thread. that was funny. and sad. i remember being shocked when the president of the usa had to stand on national television and say, concerning the swine flu, something like....we all need to cover our mouths when we cough, and to wash our hands regularly....seriouslly, like hes the Kindergarden teacher..

          3. flread45 profile image81
            flread45posted 7 years ago in reply to this
            1. flread45 profile image81
              flread45posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Where's my STIMULOUS CHECK smile

              1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
                Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Probably your cheques in the same place as mine lol
                Opps UPS is cutting back on deliveries now too.

                So screwed there too.

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Try "A liberal is a person with a flagrant disregard for the constitution."

      1. Maddie Ruud profile image82
        Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hmm, that's a pretty biased view of Liberalism.  The definition of Liberalism is a broad class of political philosophies emphasizing freedom and equality as the most important values.  In contrast, Conservatism refers to the desire to preserve traditional structures and values.

        I don't think liberals disregard the Constitution, they simply regard it as a living document, and are interested in its intent and purpose, while conservatives are more interested in a literal interpretation.

        1. onthewriteside profile image73
          onthewritesideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Dictionary.com gives a 20th century definition of Liberalism as such:

          liberalism

          In the twentieth century, a viewpoint or ideology associated with free political institutions and religious toleration, <b>as well as support for a strong role of government in regulating capitalism and constructing the welfare state</b>.
          (emphasis mine)

          1. Maddie Ruud profile image82
            Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Not sure how that counters what I said.

            1. onthewriteside profile image73
              onthewritesideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I don't think it really counters it, but I do think it explains what Liberals think they are voting for versus what they are actually getting.  In my mind Liberalism means "giving the government liberal powers over the people", I.E.-Big Government.  Where I equate Conservatism as "being very conservative with the powers that the government is given".  And quite frankly I see both the Dems and Reps propagating Big Government ideals.

              1. Maddie Ruud profile image82
                Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Ah, I see what you're getting at.  The term "liberal" is tossed around far too liberally, in my opinion.  (Excuse the pun.)  There are many kinds of liberals.  I think the confusion here stemmed from the fact that I am talking about social liberalism (ie, equality and freedom in the area of social issues such as race, religion, sexual orientation, etc), and you are talking about, for example, economic liberalism (desiring large amounts of government regulation in industry and trade).  There are plenty of people who are socially liberal and conservative in other areas (in your definition, in terms of wanting gov't limitation).

                1. onthewriteside profile image73
                  onthewritesideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes precisely.  And I would most certainly consider myself a social liberal as far as your definition goes.  But the government should stay out of our business as much as possible.  They shouldn't be owning large percentages of former DOW 30 companies, they shouldn't be printing money on a whim, and they shouldn't be creating restrictive laws like the Smoking Ban, which makes it illegal for a business owner to have a smoking section in his privately-owned establishment if he wants.

                  1. RKHenry profile image79
                    RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I totally agree with the smoking ban thing.  The nerve!!

                  2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                    Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    A man that makes sense.

          2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
            Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I understand I am not going by definition, but look at the 9th district court.

            1. RKHenry profile image79
              RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              At which part?

        2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The constitution lives because of itself.

    3. RooBee profile image83
      RooBeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry, just fact-checking. That one is not a true quote. No matter which "side" you're on, that's a foul! smile http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/change.asp

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes..  That's the whole thing with these posters..on the other side, frankly... of late.  That's ALL they are about.

      2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        At last, someone with a brain.

    4. radioheart profile image59
      radioheartposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      "On the write side" Thank you! :-)

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      iamqweenbeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      DITTO!!!

  6. Pete Maida profile image59
    Pete Maidaposted 7 years ago

    In a word NO!

  7. Hal Licino profile image58
    Hal Licinoposted 7 years ago

    Anyone who states that Obama is a closet Commie is...

    RIGHT! smile

    1. My Inner Jew profile image85
      My Inner Jewposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      whats a commie?

      1. RKHenry profile image79
        RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Slang for bad people.wink

        1. Hal Licino profile image58
          Hal Licinoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          From Merriam-Webster:

          Commie - An individual who took too much acid at college and fell into the John Lennon delusion that Karl Marx was a great genius when instead it was Groucho. smile

          1. ajcor profile image60
            ajcorposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Love it, Love it!!! and here I was thinking reds under the beds etc....

        2. My Inner Jew profile image85
          My Inner Jewposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Oh...i don't hear alot of slang lol

        3. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Talk about a waste of time, get it together.

    2. onthewriteside profile image73
      onthewritesideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      LOL!

  8. tksensei profile image61
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    Sounds like true love...

    1. My Inner Jew profile image85
      My Inner Jewposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      definitely a match made in heaven

      1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Does anyone talk about the initial thread here or is this just a waste of time. I thought this site had more intelligent people! I guess I'm like an American voter.

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I think they'd be cute together!  wink

          1. RKHenry profile image79
            RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks!

        2. Misha profile image74
          Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Not sure what this has to do with intelligence, prolly don't have enough of it for the task smile

  9. Eaglekiwi profile image75
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Ive messed my posting page up , it zoomed off to the left
    so sorry if this comes up twice

    I like Pres. Obama alot
    I think he is a breathe of fresh air

    My reference to da blah blah blah was Politicians in general!

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      My dear, he is packaged the way David Axelrod wanted him to be. I guess you have to live in Chicago. Wait for his "Honeymoon" to end. You will change your mind when you understand what is happening.

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    llanishenposted 7 years ago

    Bush and his stupid son already has, Obama is putting it right.

    1. nicomp profile image60
      nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I just can't get this straight. He's stoopid but he fooled most of the world into invading Iraq and he manipulated gas prices to benefit his oil-soaked cronies.

      Man, this is confusing.

      1. Hal Licino profile image58
        Hal Licinoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That's because W was just a ventriloquist puppet to Darth Cheney! smile

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No comment deserved.

  11. Hal Licino profile image58
    Hal Licinoposted 7 years ago

    Misha: I learned from your example in the big house. I didn't want to end up in Cell Block C with Spike and Biff. smile

    llanishen: Definitely! Obama is putting it right! Right into the dumpster! Abandon hope now and beat the rush! smile

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Excellent!

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    llanishenposted 7 years ago

    This thing really sucks, This is definately confusing.

    1. Hal Licino profile image58
      Hal Licinoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Is llanishen some Asian way of spelling Mephistopheles? smile

  13. Eaglekiwi profile image75
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    my posts dont get through
    oh well must be time to eat
    later gators smile

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    llanishenposted 7 years ago

    Is Hal Licino an Italian way of saying Al Pacino

  15. Hal Licino profile image58
    Hal Licinoposted 7 years ago

    llanishen, no it's an Italian way of saying Hung Like A Clydesdale Sex God. smile

    ajcor, the reds aint under the beds, they're in the White House! smile

  16. Hal Licino profile image58
    Hal Licinoposted 7 years ago

    Alright kiddies, Uncle Hal has to go off to do unmentionable things. Try to keep from wrecking the place until I come back... smile

  17. tksensei profile image61
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    Funny how some people think that anyone who doesn't subscribe to their own biased political point of view is 'asleep' or 'brainwashed' or 'ignorant' or 'needs to open their eyes.' This is prevalent among those in or leaning towards the 'dark conspiracy' type.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Then I take it the editors of such mainstream (and excellent) publications as The Atlantic and The New Yorker fall into this category.

      What the heck do you read, TK.  You are a teacher who doesn't know about extrinsic/intrinsic motivation....you like to post political issues, but you don't have a clear grasp on what the other side thinks.  IMHO.

      That's it...  I don't need to be stalked.  But this is how I find your 'argument.'

      1. tksensei profile image61
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The fact that you would reference your sacred texts in this way as if they just couldn't possibly carry a political bias is quite telling.

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That is completely idiotic.  I was referencing them (and I'm fully aware of their liberal biases) as an example that you don't understand the other side.  ie, these 'conspiracy theories' are mainstream.  Capish?

          Aughghggghghgghgh!  My kingdom for....well, nevermind...  I'm bored!

          1. tksensei profile image61
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, yes, it's a big mystery alright...

      2. tksensei profile image61
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The exasperated "what do you read?" is so stereotypical of the smarmy, self-obsessed liberal desperately needing to fabricate a sense of elitism that (insert voice of Bill Murray from Caddyshack here)'I have to laugh!'

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I think I figured it out!  They are PAYING you to be here.  That's why you have not been banned. lol  And why you spend so much of your time--all day long--doing this.

          Yeah, sorry.  It's my personal taste to prefer those who read stuff. (Please notice and comment negatively on the word 'stuff' here, I invite you.) I know I should be very ashamed of that and self-flagellate or something, but that's allright.  There are enough sadists who like to attack because they feel inferior like you in the world.  lol

          OK, now don't forget, just for your kicks and giggles, if you find somehow some other word in my writing to take offense with...to berate me for the opposite thing...for being a stupid valley girl who doesn't read but nothin.'  Exasperated elitist/stupid valley girl, what a combo!!  lol

          I know!  Why don't you just kill everyone (and they are legion) you take offense with for being in someway lacking because they don't think specifically, exactly like you do every single time--even those who support your cause.  Because that is your very narrow-minded, very nasty mode of being. lol  Now that IS self-obsessed.

          FYI, I like fighting/debating with bright people...what I was about to say is my kingdom for a person on here with an argument!  Please!  But they've all gone away...and been replaced with...  Well, I'll leave that to your imagination... wink  OK, Gotta go, bye bye now.  You have a NICE evening chasing your tail and biting people on contact.

          1. tksensei profile image61
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            *sigh*

            And you know who reads and who doesn't? And even what they read? Come on...

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              Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Taken out of context...omg...lolololol  Will you play your game forever?  Don't you get bored with yerself?

              I get a good sense of a person through their writing.  I'm a writer, and find I can do that.  FYI, that is how I met my bf of 5 years.  On the internet, writing.  He reads about 2 books a week.  Incidentally, he's the only man without a MA or higher I've ever been with--but it doesn't matter, cuz he's got the goods.  That's how elitist I am.  Oh, yeah.  And my dad was a truck driver.  Mom hung up chickens at the Campbell Soup factory.  We never lived in the Valley in CA, though...hmmmm.

              Like, like, like, yeah, you know, and all, OK then? wink

              1. tksensei profile image61
                tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You'll have to forgive me if I don't believe any of those things.




                ..........................


                Did you actually just say that?


                ...........................

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                  Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Yeah, I did say that.  Hard to believe isn't it?  LOL...  Oh, that little red haired girl was trying to tell you about like to like, wink.  If I'd chosen a high school dropout, I'd have the same issues I have with you!  I'd just have no peace. lolololol

                  FYI, I'm a formalist painter.  Not near performance art.  You'll just have to look that one up when you are not attacking someone...maybe within the next 6 months?

                  1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                    Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this
              2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Uh five years, marriage!

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                  Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  We don't believe in marriage.  wink  Don't want the gov't messing with our rights.

                  Why'd you flag him, RK?  If they haven't gotten rid of you know who...they won't this guy.  He hasn't done anything that horrible as far as I can see.

                  1. RKHenry profile image79
                    RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Posting posts without comments is why?  They were just posting other people's thread and not contributing to them.  I found that interesting.  Why is the purpose?  You tell me.

                  2. tksensei profile image61
                    tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You spend a lot of time 'deciding' who should or should not be 'gotten rid of' don't you? A little presumptuous...

          2. tksensei profile image61
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            ..?!

            Why would you say such a terrible thing? That is way, way, way over the line. Show at least a little self control.

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              Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Not really.  It's the truth.  You want a head count of those who say it?  I do have such info. Would you really be shocked, Mr. Troll?

              1. tksensei profile image61
                tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                What's "the truth?" Feel free to reply without the pointless name-calling.

      3. tksensei profile image61
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No offense, but here again you have come across a term or topic that you think is sufficiently important and academic to flatter your view of yourself and you are trying to shoehorn it into any context you can no matter how off-topic or irrelevant it may be to the topic at hand. Yeah, I've heard of it - try to relax.

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Funny how I started this thread and found such ignorance.

  18. earnestshub profile image86
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Invading Iraq was the beginning of the end for the American economy.
    There is no excuse for the invasion that withstands scrutiny, America made a decision to invade, and then tried to build a case for it.
    All that money for munitions and equipment is still pouring out every day.
    On top of that the financial institution bailout is a disgrace, and although some rich Americans are not affected by the economy most of America is already feeling the tide of debt rolling over them.
    All of this mess was already in place long before Obama ran for office.
    Obama is not destroying America, someone else had already kicked the crap out of it.

    1. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I don't think that's the case at all. The problems with the economy are complex and were building for many years before the Iraq War.

      1. earnestshub profile image86
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I agree the problem was building, but 8 billion a month dribbling out the door didn't help, and Bush was not shaping up at home.
        The Iraq war saved Bush, he was dead in the water without it to distract the American people away from what was happening at home.

        1. tksensei profile image61
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          "Saved Bush"?! Are you kidding?

          1. earnestshub profile image86
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            No I'm not. Bush was heading for the scrap heap until the war was started.
            The war was not well supported Internationally at first, but after the concocted evidence of WMD's was presented to the United Nations America bolted the "Coalition of the willing" together with England and Australia in the mix.We watched the "star wars" like destruction of Baghdad on TV. It certainly got the press off G W Bushe's  ass.

            1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
              Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this
        2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          8 billion vs trillions, an equal assesment.

      2. BundleBoy profile image71
        BundleBoyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Before Bush came in we had a budget surplus (after Clinton). If you look at the Presidential debates between AL Gore and Bush, they were discussing how to spend the billions in surplus and now to be in such a big hole, I just cannot believe it. How 8 years can change every thing (and the spending is still continuing).

        1. Misha profile image74
          Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          LOL would you bother to actually read the thread before posting? wink

      3. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It's not Bush's policies that failed, it was his overseers.

        1. RKHenry profile image79
          RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That is such nonsense.  Show me justification for your position on this.

          1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
            Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Do you know anything about business and the Skalar chain of command? Of course Bush is responsible, as is every CEO. His manager's follow matters and report to him. The plan was good but the Democrats ammended it. Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid pushed the mortgage problem through. Reid will lose his next election, as will many Democrats. Bush's managers failed to keep track of things, that's why Bush gets the blame.

            Don't forget Bush took over a faltering economy and got unemployment down to 4% before this all happened. He never blamed Clinton for anything, Obama is quite different.

    2. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      In your opinion, right?

      1. earnestshub profile image86
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        yes, in my opinion

    3. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hold on a minute, invading Iraq was justified. Intelligence agency's from Russia, France and England said the same thing as the CIA. Hussain had already killed 10,000 Kurds with chemical weapons, he invaded Kuwait, and sent scud missiles into Saudia Arabia and Israel. What else did you want to wait for? I would bet you want to send troops to Darfur

      Everyone in America feels the loss of money. Warren Buffet lost billions, do you understand what that means? Of course his life style won't change but what about all his business ventures? Do you believe he may give less money to charity? I guess you're right, no effect.

      1. Misha profile image74
        Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        So you guys did not like what he was doing, and this justified the invasion and destruction of another country, on the opposite side of the Globe? Cool thinking. I am glad you guys soon will run out of money and can't do such things anymore smile

        1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Get real, read what I've written again.

  19. tksensei profile image61
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    The Iraq War was by far the most contentious aspect of his entire presidency. There were people marching in the streets and burning him in efigy all over the world BEFORE fighting even started. He had a good deal of support at home and abroad when we began the offensive in Afghanistan so he was hardly 'heading for the scrap heap' prior to the start of the Iraq War. And NO ONE forgot about any domestic issues because of it. You're way off base on this one.

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
      Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      True that "no one forgot about domestic issues"--Bush turned many domestic policy issues over to Evangelical idealogues. the drug industry, the oil industry, etc., cut taxes for the top 2% richest Americans at a time when their taxes should have been increased, etc. It's a tossup whether Bush's failures were greater wrt domestic or foreign policy.

      1. RKHenry profile image79
        RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        True.

        1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Not true! My wife is an executive for a large drug company.

          1. RKHenry profile image79
            RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Okay???

            I feel Ralph Deeds last line is true. 

            So you're wife works for a large drug company. What kind of argument is that?  True.

            1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
              Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              As an executive you find out the inside story, any idiot knows that. You have sounded like you are looking for a fight. Sorry I can't oblidge at this time, I would have had fun.

              I get more information than you! A friend is running fo the Senate, I know a sitting Senator, two friend's are state Representatives. Family in the CIA, FBI, DOD and more. Would you really like to get into it?

      2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Deeds, I'm surprised it took you so long to find my thread, sorry I didn't inform you, my computer is going in and out.

        I can honestly tell you that you have no idea what you are talking about. My wife is an executive for a Fortune 100 Drug Company. There was NO Evangelical anything.

        The tax cuts are what helped our economy for years. Poor people don't start companies. Wealthier people start companies and then empoloy people. You can't argue that!

        1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
          Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this
          1. my-success-guru profile image60
            my-success-guruposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Have we really given him a chance yet???

            1. earnestshub profile image86
              earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I think so. The decision to give the financial institutions all of the American peoples money, houses and assets, I would say that nothing can get better, there is just too much debt. I believe that Obama either agreed with Hank Paulson or he has no say in treasury.

            2. vshining profile image60
              vshiningposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No we have not!

            3. Eaglekiwi profile image75
              Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No I dont think so , at least the last guy had 8yrs to really f*** it up  lol, I think at least a couple more years then maybe , analyse the crap outta policies
              Thing is I really beleive unless youre gonna sack the President ,Americans should be united and get behind their leader!! dammit smile

              1. ledefensetech profile image81
                ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Why?  He's not my leader.

                1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
                  Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Who is your leader? Sarah Palin? Rush Limbaugh? Mark Sanford?


                  Governor Sanford, you need to stay mum

                  Cuz your statements are dumb as they come.

                  Tell me: Why would your wife

                  Take you back in this life,

                  When your soul mate’s another? You bum!

  20. BundleBoy profile image71
    BundleBoyposted 7 years ago

    Bush,Obama, or who ever - They should cut spending. This ridiculous spending. It is hard to understand how these "Economic Advisers" don't see that too much spending is going to screw up the US dollar in the long run.

    Well I am very nervous right now.

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    Harvey...Just FYI, your hub on Obama is all messed up. wink

    I mean, technically it is messed up - you cannot read the text.  You might wanna ask Maddie, Hubpages staff, how to fix that.

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I write as I speak, Im not a professional.

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I hope to improve, I am a virgin on this site.

  22. goldentoad profile image59
    goldentoadposted 7 years ago

    Just passing through.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Welcome, GT.  Provide levity, will you?  We are now entering death, gloom, conspiracy and destruction land...

      1. goldentoad profile image59
        goldentoadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sounds depressing.
        This song always make me feel better about the world:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCy63R2KKFU

      2. Misha profile image74
        Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hiding head in a sand, anyone? With a great hope for change wink

  23. RKHenry profile image79
    RKHenryposted 7 years ago

    jerk

    1. goldentoad profile image59
      goldentoadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I know. I'm workin' on it.

  24. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    And this is called levity? I am outta here sad

    1. goldentoad profile image59
      goldentoadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ah, let me leave I just couldn't resist the offer.

      1. RKHenry profile image79
        RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I thought we were starting a new word association game...wink

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          RK!  I don't think you have tangled with our resident troll TK yet...  welllcome...

          1. RKHenry profile image79
            RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I see.

          2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
            Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            This is not a cat fight!

            1. tksensei profile image61
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              It shouldn't be, but first you have to convince the cat...

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              Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Actually, Harvey...It's a troll fight (look up definition on Wikipedia...)  And that an older man who likes to sit on the internet all day long and verbally attack anyone--especially women, liberals, smart people, and anti-religionists.  Or conservatives.  Really anyone he comes in contact with.

              I think he must be getting paid for it.

  25. HealthCare Basics profile image81
    HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago

    Just got home and read most of the posts. My lord, this has gone in all directions. I believe, probably at the last moment on voting that Obama would be sincere to his word. So far, he has moved beyond the mountains of political influence to look at what is really happening in this country. Yes, his mannerisms may be a bit overdone, but he is gathering those who have intelligent input into some of our problems in this country. Nothing happens overnight, except UPS and FedEx. Give it time folks........... smile

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You strike me as an intelligent man, WAKE UP!" Wait until you find out more about his community organizing and ACORN. His true beliefs are far from what the public thinks they are.

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
        Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Wrt Obama's "true beliefs," can we assume you've read his two books? I found them informative and inspiring. What are Obama's "true beliefs" that you find so threatening?

        1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this
  26. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in. Not really. Just to say "Thank you GT" for the musical levity. I enjoyed that song.
    The name calling I can do without.
    Lita -- you've got sharpness and right on your side. Go, girl!
    MM

  27. HealthCare Basics profile image81
    HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago

    Excuse me, but smoking laws are a State issue, not federal as far as I am aware. California has been the premier conservative of smoking laws in the country. By the way, Obama smokes!!!!

    1. RKHenry profile image79
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I know.  But I couldn't resist.  I'm a smoker.  Maybe their a smoker too....

      But whether it is a state issue or not, it could find it's way too the Supreme Court, then it would be a Federal issue would it not?

    2. Maddie Ruud profile image82
      Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He's said he doesn't smoke daily; that, as a former smoker he has occasionally "fallen off the wagon" and smoked a cigarette here and then.  I think there's a difference.  My godmother quit smoking years ago, but will occasionally have a cigarette at a gathering, if someone else is smoking.  I don't think that makes her a smoker.

      Not sure why it matters, anyway.

    3. onthewriteside profile image73
      onthewritesideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yep you're right.  But when the federal government "entices" states to adopt those types of laws by withholding funds or using other scare tactics, they may as well not be "state Issues".  I mean I never thought I would see the day when the tobacco states would agree to adopt it, but there ya go.

    4. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thatta boy, stick to the constitution.

  28. SparklingJewel profile image65
    SparklingJewelposted 7 years ago

    All presidents, since the beginning of the banking systems, but especially since the creation of the Federal Reserve, have been  controlled and taken over by the power elite families of the world; presidents are little more than puppets for those elites.

    Blame and divide, just one more tactic of the elites...and too many people fall for it.

    Since when does it make any sense to pile on more debt to get rid of debt?  Since when does it many any sense to continue to hand more money and power to those that have wrecked a system with their money and power...as if they are going to change the way they run things? No, just dump it all on the ignorant masses who prefer to watch TV, or role over and let their tummies be rubbed into further submission, rather than to stand up and say NO! I will not allow this to continue!

    I think a peaceful revolution is in the wings!

    1. RKHenry profile image79
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I completely disagree.  Andrew Jackson took over the banking system, so that it wouldn't be controlled by the ruling class families of America.  Presidents like him, through to Teddy Roosevelt, were not as you so suggest.  Reagan didn't let America's ruling class families control the banking system.  Nor did George Bush, Sr., or Clinton.  I'm not sure about Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Eisenhower, JFK, Truman, FDR, etc....  But this Banking mess is pretty recent.  As in W. recent.

      1. SparklingJewel profile image65
        SparklingJewelposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, I know...people like to be all warm and fuzzy...it's too scary to think that we are being controlled to the very core of our every day life...and especially by those to whom we look to for guidance and security and all those palatable, digestable, pretty words.

        You got to go deeper, to your core, and get a grip, my friend...

    2. onthewriteside profile image73
      onthewritesideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well said...and I absolutely agree.  The Fractional Banking System in the US is at its melting point.  Revolution?  I would say most probably.  Peaceful?  I'm not so sure...

      1. tksensei profile image61
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Ok, when exactly?

        1. onthewriteside profile image73
          onthewritesideposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Heck if I know...the sooner the better.  A little revolution is always a good thing!

  29. goldentoad profile image59
    goldentoadposted 7 years ago

    Is it gay of me to listen and to like this song:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxkbTG6PeCI

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    Tktroll-
    I will, and can. But won't.  I'm trying to work on a poster for a visiting artist, and don't have time to find links to material that will be ignored, anyway.

    My ex is a Georgian national.  Supported McCain.  Very specific reasons. I am well versed in his role in the region.

    You keep showing me the lack of reading and knowledge you really have repeating that silly gunk.  Sorry...and never mind!

    1. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ah, reading again! Nothing about degrees though? I see you did manage to work in a some silly name calling again, however.

  31. fortunerep profile image59
    fortunerepposted 7 years ago

    Just dont drink the kool-aid, my people

  32. HealthCare Basics profile image81
    HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago

    Indeed, McCain, who publicly confronted Putin in Munich last year, may be the most visible — and now potentially influential — American antagonist of Russia. What remains to be seen is whether the endgame to the Georgia crisis makes McCain seem prophetic or headstrong and whether his muscular rhetoric plays a role in defining for voters the kind of commander in chief he would be.

    What is not in doubt is McCain’s view of Russia. His belief that Moscow harbors dangerous aspirations goes back a long way, as does his fervent view that the only way to quiet the Russian bear is through tough talk and threat of real consequences — and certainly not through accommodation.


    McCain has suggested he sees Russia’s danger to its neighbors through a long historical lens. As far back as 1996, when Russia was near economic ruin and governed by an erratic Boris Yeltsin, he warned of the danger of “Russian nostalgia for empire.”

    That belief has not changed. “I think it’s very clear that Russian ambitions are to restore the old Russian empire," McCain told local reporters on his bus in Pennsylvania on Monday. "Not the Soviet Union, but the Russian empire."

    From Google search: McCain views on Russia....... smile

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      smile Thank you...
      There is more with Georgia that I know of...McCain actually does some 'skull and dagger' with an organization he labels/heads as a nonprofit with great interest in Georgia with aims of course, towards Russia.  This is mainstream investigative journalism stuff...but I'd have to dig it out.

      My client needs a poster, sad.

    2. RKHenry profile image79
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Excellent point.  Really excellent.  Now TK- this is good conversation.  Great spirit of debate. 

      Excellent point made.

    3. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That has always been the Russian way.

  33. fortunerep profile image59
    fortunerepposted 7 years ago

    or maybe some of you should drink the kool-aid

    dori

    1. Jewels profile image82
      Jewelsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Everyone's been drinking the kool-aid Dori, not just the hubbers.

      1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Your picture describes what is taking place.

  34. HealthCare Basics profile image81
    HealthCare Basicsposted 7 years ago

    Is that not what we have learned? The one who stirs the pot or screams the loudest will get attention...... smile

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    Serious question, TK--  What ARE you getting out of doing what you do?  Are you getting paid by hubpages (lol)?  I just can't imagine anyone of a certain age (older than 16, really) getting this many kicks out of picking and posting crap like you do.

    Are you working at the same time (certainly not writing), so that you can only manage these lamish answers?

    1. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Are you enjoying YOURSELF?



      Oh, 'certainly not.' How could I if I haven't managed to make you guess I read the New Yorker? I haven't even mentioned what my Jr. High teacher thought about my writing or commented on my education several hundred times regardless of the topic. THAT'S what real writers do!

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No, I can't say I am.  I'm actually intrigued by the lack of originality enough to ask, though.

        And TK, you idiot...  An author of 3 books doesn't actually care what her jr. high school teacher thought of her writing...if ever.  It was a joke ON you.  Do you really not get these things?  It's getting a little scary...  Are you 16?

        1. tksensei profile image61
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          LOL! That is AWESOME!

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Well, thank you, TK.  Awesome is a cool world the use in high school, I guess.  And you CAN do it to.  Just work hard at it.  You'd be surprised what you can do.

            Or, another thought--you are a thug who frequents bars and hits people?  Just got a picture in my head.

            1. tksensei profile image61
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You like guessing, don't you?

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                Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Well, I've told the truth...  I'm genuinely intrigued by this point about why anyone would want to conduct themselves as you do.

                1. tksensei profile image61
                  tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  How is your guessing "the truth"?

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                    Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    The 'truth' is, again, my wondering--genuinely intrigued--why you would conduct yourself as you do.

                    Care to speculate about your motivations?

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    Is it lost on you that nobody cares for you here or the way you uh, 'debate?'

    And God, you expend a lot of energy just blathering nothing.  It's almost embarrassing.  ....beginning to feel like Mark Knowles...sorry for you/it. Whatever you are.

    1. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Is that supposed to be another insult?

  37. vkent7441 profile image61
    vkent7441posted 7 years ago

    Ok... so I'm just trying to be peaceful here, but it seems like everyone... well just some... are very busy bashing and hating each other to stay on topic, this brings about a very good point:

    Isn't this what everyone is doing in the US right now? Bashing, slandering and hating everyone else for their screw ups or opinions and views?
    Shouldn't we all be trying to set aside our differences and work together to help our country out instead of hurting one another? It's not going to do the US any good if we continue to struggle and fight and bunt heads with one another, is it?

    Democrats, Republicans, Liberals... really??? our country needs us to work as a team right now, not against each other! How is anyone supposed to get anything accomplished if they're too busy fighting on the same side of the fence?

    Now, I do have to say this... and it's just my own opinion which everyone is entitled to and I'm pointing fingers at either sides....

    1. If we would have stood around like a bunch of bobble head dolls with our thumbs stuck up our butts, running and hiding after 911... those terrorists would have won and probably had the opportunity to do much much worse.

    2. No president has absolute power over what they vote on, vito, sign or anything... the president is just pretty much a voice and an icon... the senate and congress and blah, blah, blah, really have the say over what happens in this country.

    3. The government is looking to have absolute control over every American! They are the ones who are looking to really have the POWER AND CONTROL...phone taps, healthcare, hidden video cameras...

    4. People get what they ask for... if they have blinders on at the time or don't really understand the totality of a situation, it means devasting consequences for everyone else.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I already stated a shorter version of this....  Actually,  you realize, the one making ridiculous this whole thread is a troll.

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Unfortunately Obama does not believe in team, why else would he not allow Republican's in many meetings?

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Maybe the Republicans were busy hiking  off some place

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    Your diction says you don't read very broadly, I'm afraid.  Just a fact...

    1. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      LOL!!!!! Keep 'em coming!

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well, now, consider the dialogue.  It consists of "LOLLLLLs!!!" and at most, three word sentences.  Doesn't really strike one as first rate stuff, I must say.  And then there are threats, the taking of things out of context, etc., etc.  Not too terribly sophisticated.

        Again, I must ask, what could one possibly get out of posting stuff like you do?  I mean, any reasonable person, or person of reasonable education?

        1. tksensei profile image61
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well, if you keep saying funny things...

           



          I have noticed someone threatening me, but that's ok I'm not bothered.



          LOL! again

  39. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Boy oh boy. I didn't know kool=aid could make you drunk:-)!

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe it's acid Kool-Aid he's got?  wink!

      Really MM, this is kinda a fascinating psychological study....

  40. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    It is that, Lita (an interesting psychological study).
    Would make a great hub: The Psychology of Trolls.
    LOL. AWESOME!!!

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      SUPER AWESOME.  SUPER.

  41. tksensei profile image61
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    At the risk of repeating myself...


    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe my new fan can help you:

      http://hubpages.com/profile/Anxiety+Help

      Some good stuff in there.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That's actually the sign of an obsessive compulsive disorder, you know, repeating yourself like that.

      Or, have you heard of Krutzfelt-Jakob disease?  They are said to LOLLLLL!!! a lot.

      1. tksensei profile image61
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You might want to take your own advice to heart.

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Naaaaa.  I'm working on this poster for David Behrens...  Yawn.  Am bored, a bit...

  42. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    K-J is a real disease? I only know it as one of the qualifiers they ask in the screening questions to donate blood.

    Ok, TK. Can I ask you to take a brief break from this -- whatever we're calling this exchange -- and tell me whereabouts in Cambridge you hang? I lived in Boston area for a long time. Miss it mucho.

    Lita -- I hope you don't mind the interruption. If you do, that's cool. I can make my inquiries of Mr. TK elsewhere.

    1. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Right by Harvard Square. Traffic is terrible, but there are lots of shops and whatnot.

      Where did you live?

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You go right ahead and jump in there, MM...  (And yeah, K-J is Mad Cow disease, lol, or "Laughing Sickness," as it was known a couple centuries ago.  Found mostly among cannibalistic tribes...has to do with prions).

      This is my 'interview,' lol, MM.....  And be very careful.  I was nice to him, too.  Then he attacked.

  43. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    I never lived in Cambridge but lived in Arlington for a bit and commuted on a bus to Harvard Square and then into Boston. Also on Comm Ave in Brightong (straight out of college with 4 roommates), in Somerville and then on the Watertown/Belmont border.

    Traffic in Harvard Square was terrible even back when I frequented it -- many, many moons ago. But there were some really cool places. I'm guessing now it's a lot more commercialized with chains overtaking the funky one-off places.

    Still a diehard Sox fan tho!

    1. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Nah, there are still lots of 'one-offers' in the area. Comm. Ave? Did you attend BU by any chance? We also lived in Somerville for a while. What 'square' were you near?



      I assume you caught the whuppin' we put on the Nationals last evening then?

  44. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Mad Cow Disease? Why don't they just call it what it is?

    I'm having a bit of trouble multitasking right now. Billy Mays is on the Late Show with Conan. He is speaking his Billy Mays pitchman language and it's distracting!

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Because K-J is actually a group of related diseases.  The don't know specifically how prions attack the brain...also depends on the animal...or human...in question.

      And anything to do with sports is just over my head, wink.

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    Ah, well.  Good night, MM...  I've got to keep working, but I've had enough of this particular, eh, 'excitement' for one night.

    Very enlightening.  Thanks for breaking it up...

  46. maidouxixi profile image62
    maidouxixiposted 7 years ago

    I believe that obama will help America pass the economic cisis`````` as  a chinese .I support him~~

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You are young with much to learn about politics and history. Google Saul Alinsky and see what Obama's plans are.

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
        Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        What's wrong with Saul Alinsky? The drug companies, the oil companies, the Wall Street banksters, the health insurance parasites and the AMA all have their K Street lobbyists. Why shouldn't inner city poor communities organize on their own behalf? What is so sinister about community organizing?

        1. ledefensetech profile image81
          ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Because lobbying for special interests is unethical no matter the reasons.  Everyone on K Street is looking for a piece of the Federal pie and damn the consequences to people at large.  We are in the mess we're in due to massive government interference in the national life.  Forget for a moment that everything they've done violated the supposed highest law in the land, all that really matters is that they are and continue to screw things up.

          1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
            Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks much, Harvey

        2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You said a lot about yourself with that statement, Ralph. I know you are a die-hard Democrat. Alinsky was a self proclaimed Communist, that's ok for Obama to follow his teachings? So you are a COMMUNIST!

          1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
            Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You would have gotten along great with Joseph McCarthy

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
              Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              http://mudsharkstudios.org/images/riswold3_off.png

              1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Go Ron!

                1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
                  Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Wow! You got me. Please don't turn me in to the FBI or Homeland Security!

                  1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
                    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Why?  Is there a bounty?  Stark raving capitalists as you know, will do anything for a buck big_smile

          2. Make  Money profile image72
            Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I've read that anarchists try to dominate both sides of an issue.  Is that right Harvey?

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        iamqweenbeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Why not just go on Obama's website designed for Americans to see what his plans are. Why go elsewhere? Hell, the birthers have a website claiming he is not a citizen. Most of these websites are not accurate

  47. anime_nanet profile image61
    anime_nanetposted 7 years ago

    Do not judge Obama yet. He's not done anything really bad as of yet.

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You are wrong! Read up on Saul Alinsky and see what Obama is trying to do.

  48. RKHenry profile image79
    RKHenryposted 7 years ago

    Harvey, you've been flagged.

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      For what?

      1. RKHenry profile image79
        RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Answered yesterday.

        1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm not sure what flagged is, please explain. I'm new to the forum thing.

          1. Maddie Ruud profile image82
            Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            People can flag forum posts by hitting the "report" button next to the post.  This alerts me that there may be a rules violation occuring or a formatting problem, etc.  Your posts were flagged because you simply quoted other posts without adding any new comments of your own.

            1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
              Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              That's not true! Please show me where.

              1. Lady_E profile image81
                Lady_Eposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Check your reply to Ralph Deeds.  You added no comments smile

                1. Maddie Ruud profile image82
                  Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  And I removed one.  If there's another one, someone flag it for me?

  49. tksensei profile image61
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    Waiting for you to talk about takedowns again. Interesting topic. What's your favorite takedown?

  50. IntimatEvolution profile image81
    IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago

    Oh I get the bark thing now.  Clever RK- clever........!  Let the downturn begin.

 
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