Do you personally know of any rich people who have found a poor person and helped them? I am not talking about people standing in front of grocery stores handing out $10.00 gift cards to anyone that walks by. I mean have you ever known of any rich person seeking out a poor to help them?
Loads of times Ann.
A popular one is Millionaires who visit communities/people who are poor or in need of financial support. The millionaire doesn't tell the people that he/she is rich and lives in a humble accommodation near them. He/she spends time with them to see what they do. Sometimes its people working on a voluntary basis to serve a community. The millionaire leaves in a week. However, before they leave they pay one last visit to say goodbye and confess that they are actually a millionaire and leave the people with a big cheque.
The Secret Millionaire.
Incidentally, I'm poor.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
If Millionaires give large amounts of money to the poor, it is only so that they can claim it on their taxes. I think they can also claim it as a loss, meaning that they can claim that they made less money, which puts them into a lower tax bracket, and they get that money back.
There are some that do it out of the goodness of their heart. But, people are that rich have accountants who do the re-pocketing of giving back to that person. So, they have no reason to feel guilty. And, you can applaud them for their efforts to help.
But, some of the richest people have only one thing in mind, and that is getting richer. They could care less about the poor.
I pray for help. Me and my husband need help finacial. We are both disabled. We live in Granite City IL. My Name is Sandra Kukarola
Please contact me I live in Granite City IL and my name is Sandra Kukarola. Message for the The Secret Millionaire.
I think in most cases, the rich help the poor get poorer.
I've know many. They don't "seek" out anyone. Haven't you ever watch TV and they ran a story about someone needing surgery or something else.
The next night that program says; An unknown has come forward to pay the bills of that person. Many do so much and want no credit.
Hospital's get wings and equipment, community centers are built.... I could go on but most people have no conception on this topic.
I agree. When people are super rich if they want to be philanthropic they do something that will benefit as many people as possible such as paying for a new hospital wing in a state hospital. Giving food out or giving someone shelter is what people on meagre means do to help someone else and that's great. It's what I do because those are the kinds of things I can afford to do.
As for taxes being stealing that's just ignorant. I like having a fire service, sewerage, free medical treatment, rubbish disposal, free school places for my children, roads, benefits for people that really can't work etc, etc etc.
Well you know what they say, you get what you pay for. When you pay free, you don't get to choose the service you have to put up with whatever is available. Why do you think the wealthy have their own security, emergency services, etc. When you yourself pay, you can pay for quality.
Damn, I'm having a bad day. First I get (subtly) accused of being juvenile, then I get called ignorant and now I've got to agree with LDT. Is there no end to my ignominy?
Hey, LDT, have you ever read Robert Higgs on The Beacon, the blog of The Independent Institute?
I agree that the public sector are largely rubbish and have ripped me off for tens of thousands of pounds, but as they aren't likely to give it back I need to come up with some other way to replace it.
Do you see HubPages as being a form of entrepreneurial activity? It may not have Bill Gates sweating at night at the thought of not being the world's wealthiest guy any more, but we all have to start somewhere. And by a method that fits our skills, personalities and desires.
I have met a couple people online who have helped me!
Please refer them to me as because of repairs and problems with my home I am almost 45000 in debt not counting the almost 24000 on the home loan. I live in Granite City IL and my name is Sandra Kukarola.
Hello Dear, can you please give me their email address or anything.I need 6000 dollars in urgent.I need it for medical condition.I live in Pakistan.
for god sake give me their detail
There are many, in fact. Narayana Murthy, one of the founders of Infosys Technologies (CEO for 21 yrs for Infosys) used to donate 75% of his annual income (that's substantial) to a Trust which helped the weaker sections with food and other necessities, globally. There are many like him.
Microsoft Corporation co-founder Bill Gates together with his wife Melinda are the most generous American donors to worthy causes. The Gates Foundation, which is dedicated mostly to the areas of health and education donated more than half their net worth, a total of $US22.9 billion ($A31.8 billion), over the past five years, to the foundation.
Bill Gates seem to be the exception to the rule - he is very generous. Even Oprah one of the richest woman in the world all you keep hearing about is her helping Africa what about the US and everyone here we need help too - maybe just maybe if all the CEO, famous people, NY and Bevery HIll socialites gave $100,000.00 to all the hard workers who have lost their jobs instead of buying $8000 pair of shoes $300 lipsticks - oh yeah I forgot most of the time they get all of their stuff free just because of their name free diamonds, clothes, shoes , hair cuts etc etcx - why dont they donate all that stuff for people who are starving, cant affort to pay their medical co-pays, their mortgages etc - it would be so nic for people to not be so selfish. The business people are the worst they decide their funds are more important to donate to all of the politicians campaigns instead of to the food bank, FARMERS etc. this county is filled with a bunch of greedy, self-centered , self absorbed people with most of them not deserving what they have.
What an awesome question. I have seen these stories on tv. like Oprah but I do not personally know of anyone who does this in a financial way. My only means of helping others is by giving of myself through good deeds, sharing what I have if they are in need. I know there are people out there somewhere who do this but I have not met one. Great question and food for thought. Q
If I remember correctly there was a time that I found myself unemployed. To my utter dismay I was hired by a wealthy person. This definitely changed both mine and my family's life.
There are many wealthy people who donate to good causes and give without looking for anything in return. They just want to see things get better for the less well of and the more needy.
If all the wealth of the world was evenly shared around every citizen on the planet, in about 2 years, it would be back to the original way of the rich having more and the poor having less. Why? Because of the "system". Because of the way things are mostly tipped in favor of the well off.
Solution, educate people about wealth and money, about saving, making things, the value of money, of compounding money. Of how to not hate money or be afraid of it. Learn the value of Labour. There is too much emphasis of the poor relying on the rich. By and large, most Govts are today going after the middle class, and less inclined to go after the poor.
War could be argued to be an extension of inequality. Better to educate, eradicate financial ignorance, and learn to share the wealth, than risk the bigger issues and uncertainties that could follow. We are all human, and we all need each other...
I do. A lot of rich people help poor people. A lot of rich people don't.
I personally know that many poor families have iPods and other wonderful devices in their homes (cars) because individuals invested time and money into making the production of those things cheaper.
Everything in my home is something that "a rich person" has helped me afford.
If it wasn't for Bill Gates, I don't think i'd be having this conversation.
If it wasn't for Henry Ford and Rockefeller, I wouldn't be able to drive the distance I need to get a good job.
It is rather difficult to gauge what is enough help to the poor, especially on a general basis. Maybe we can look at each particular rich individual or entity, but even that may present a problem on data which may not be available, or, if it were, may not give us the true picture. What is tricky in this particular question is that, if the answer here were ‘yes’ then there would be no poverty in our country anymore. And we all know what points to a logical contrary answer. The fact is that the rich can only do so much in alleviating the needs of the poor because it is the government that is mandated by law to be at the forefront of fighting poverty in our country by whatever legal and moral methods available. As for the help from the rich, I tend to believe and it’s safe to say that it is far from enough!
Rich people always live in humble accommodation. But many rich people do help the poor, but some of them never do this. So this is unpredictable that rich people never help poor.
I have known many millionaire and the odd billionaires. Very rarely would the rich help the poor, by far they give themselves more and to the poor less. The vast majority are over focus on financial for a reason , to survive, rarely thrives.
Must be not in this area then, never heard of a rich person helping a poor person other than the guy that was married to nicole kidman (cant remember his name) but he paid some girls medical bills one time. I have never heard of anyone else though.
I can think of at least three reasons for that from the top of my head;
- People who tend to genuinely help, usually tend to be quiet about that;
- Government does not like such stories as they hurt their case for collecting social taxes, and press usually does not push them for that reason.
- You did not look hard enough. When I saw your question, I immediately thought about Angelina and Brad adopting children...
But is adopting children because you want them mean you are helping the poor?
I would think - if you take them from a poor family. It helps in several ways - lighten this poor family financial situation, solves material side for this particular child, and also gives this child an opportunity.
If you don't like an adoption example, take Bill and Melinda Gates foundation
Yeah, but is Angelina Jolie a chicken or an egg?
Does the humanitarian work she does offset the promotion of that high consumption lifestyle of jets and international travel and cosseted luxury, even if inadvertent promotion, that may lead to the conflicts and consequential human rights abuses that arise in getting the resources to fund that kind of life?
I think I would agree with that in the main. There may be a few nice rich people, but not many - or else why are the so many poor?
It does to me. (But then I am often in a minority of one.)
If all the rich people were incredibly nice, caring and compassionate then they would help the poor and so there would be no poor. Admittedly an oversimplification, but if I go into all the shades of grey this will be an awfully long thread.
Of course that assumes that one individual can "help" another. You would have to start another thread on the definition of help. For instance does giving someone money solve their poverty or simply deal with the symptom of their poverty: their lack of cash. Is some aspect of poverty (that isn't forced upon an individual by external circumstances, like, say, war) a lack of intelligence, ability, or simply a lack of motivation or focus to spend their energy on in order to improve their own life?
Do the rich have an obligation to help the poor? And if so does that mean that the poor have an obligation to make others rich by supplying their labour so that they can then, in turn, be helped by those more motivated people?
You can think a little further ahead than that, can't you?
Huh? You've lost me now. Further ahead in which direction?
That the poor do work to make the wealth for the rich, but those rich people then simply pocket the money and do nothing back for the poor. Which is largely where the world is now. Where the trickle down effect of capitalism isn't working because the wealthy have built a dam across that cash flow to create vast reservoirs of money for themselves and to hell with the poor. So the gap between the haves and the have nots continues to widen - and for my money (no pun intended) largely always will.
You're so full of it dude. You can't spit in this country without hitting a charity and that's even with the monstrous welfare state that's about to destroy us all like a tsunami. Be honest, what you really mean is that you wish you had that sort of money and power, but for whatever reason you didn't do what you had to in order to get it. You want someone to give it to you, not work for it.
I am. That's why I like to spread it around a little. It stops me exploding and drowning the world under a tidal wave of excrement.
And actually I don't wish I had that sort of wealth and power. I have no desire to destroy a couple of countries, to kill millions and maim millions more. And if that is what I have to do in order to get it, to pursue wealth and power over the corpses of humanity then, then I am quite happy without it.
But while we're talking about giving: you can't lend me a couple of bucks can you? I need to buy a plane ticket to Gault's Gultch.
Misha, I don't think adopting a child should be a charitable act. Unless you really want the child and this addition to your family is something that you see as an improvement in your own life, then you're not doing the child any good. Children need to feel wanted.
Actually Misha, the government's actions about social welfare tend to put private charities out of business. Why should people donate to charity when they already pay in taxes to support the poor? Especially when you have criminals like Papa Obama taking more and more away from the most productive members of society and giving it to the least productive.
People are never forced to give to charity. Its an act of Free Will and as for "criminals? like Papa Obama", he didn't put the money in his bank account, did he? Do you begrudge the least productive people in your society?
What world do you live on? Criminals like Papa Obama take, steal, rob people via taxes, so they can bribe the ignorant and vulnerable so that they can continue be elected so they can continue to skim off the top. Paying taxes is not free will, it's involuntary. If you refuse to pay taxes, you get sent to jail. What part of that is voluntary.
I don't begrudge anyone except when they lie, cheat and steal while trying to cover it up as something noble. You might be stupid enough to fall for such mind numbing nonsense, but others are not quite to naive and ignorant. Why do you have such a hate-on for people who create the jobs that keep you and your family fed?
Take time to read carefully. I wrote, Charity is an act of free will not "paying Taxes". (Its the norm for every worker in every country to pay Taxes)
I have no hate attitude whatsoever towards anyone and as for Jobs that keep me and my family fed, I own an I.T Company.
I actually think you should run for the next presidency. It seems you have more experience and you'll do a better job. Wishing you good luck with it.
Angela and Brad are a fine example of the rich looking after the poor.
I sent a few thousand dollars to a family I met in the Bronx once.
I stayed with their family for a few days and saw how they lived.
The money was not important to me at the time, I was doing fine.
I sent it with instructions that I did not want the money returned.
I got a letter from them after I had been back in OZ for a while.
In it was my money and a letter saying that they had been able to use the few bob I gave them to repair their major problems and are now doing well.
I only gave them enough to take care of the bills, but somehow they turned it all around. All they needed was a little help. I sent the money back again with a letter that said. "Well if you can do so much with the money you will make better use of it than I will," which was true.
I am a Christian from Chennai, India. I am married and have two
daughters studying in college. My husband is a drunkard and jobless.
Inspite of taking him to rehabilitation centres it is of no use.
I am struggling a lot to maintain my family with two grown up girls.
He gives us so many problems when drunk and my daughters are very
depressed. Both of them suffer from severe ulcer because of this. I am
working in a private company and drawing monthly income of Rs.15000/-
But with this amount I find it very difficult to maintain my family
and I have lots of debts because of my daughters education. I have
to manage everything sigle handed with such a small income.
My daughters are now doing their final year and I find very difficult
to manage it. I am now not feeling well because of malaria and have
to take rest at least for a month. But I am not doing so because if I
take leave there would be loss of pay. Please help me out of this
Kindly please help me with some amount so that I would be very grateful.
in the philippines, there are lots of rich people here that help out the poor.
but the sad truth is. there are more poor the the rich
and our government is the number one corrupt in the whole asia.
Yes, I have seen it. I have also participated in these acts of kindness. I believe that humanity is still, basicaly good, and we will help each other when the needs arises. After all, all living creatures are looking for one basic need: to be loved.
In the UK there are rich people (philanthropists) who set up foundations or trusts to help all kinds of socially disadvantaged people whether they be homeless, mentally ill, refugees etc. etc. I'm sure it's the same throughout the world.
I'm sure not all rich people have a social conscience but many do.
I have a couple of friends that I don't know if they could be considered rich - but they are wealthy.
And they help others out wherever possible. Usually by way of taking in waifs and strays and expecting no return, other than seeing them back on their feet. No gain in it for them either.
If I was rich, I would find a poor person and give them money and pay for their medical care. I would also buy them a place to live and buy them food and pay their bills.
In any case, one rich person playing Great Expectations for one poor person doesn't do much in the overall scheme of things. The average, middle class person who donates even a little to private organizations that provide goods, services, and/or training to help the poor does so much more.
Bill Gates is a generous guy, but there's only so many of him...
I think only a few of the rich genuinely try to help the poor.The rich people possess more than 80% wealth of the world.If they really did help the poor the world would be much different and safer than today's world.
Well if the rich are helping the poor get poorer, I got some news then.....once the poor are too poor to buy anything, the rich will fall through a giant black hole. lol.
As many rich people as there are though, I doubt that the really rich will fail as they will get the other rich people to buy from them now that there are tons of rich people.
I was just curious about all this cuz I have not witnessed the rich helping the poor even though I am sure it happens. I figured with the economy being the way it is, the rich would be reaching out to the poor.
Many Do, A lot of them are silent. Look at George Steinbrenner, He has done so much for people, In Florida if a fire or policeman get killed he has a fund where the family gets money and guaranteed college for any kid of the fallen hero. He has put many kids through college. Donald trump has helped many also, He does many benefits and gives to charity constantly.
I hate to see the rich just giving out all kinds of money to people that already have money. If I was rich, I would make sure who I was helping was actually poor and not just middle class or something. I have helped many middle class years ago. I used to give money to people who I knew were single and raising kids and things and I wasn't rich. I won't do it now though as I have learned my lesson not to help others unless you are rich or you will wind up poor like I seem to be heading now, lol.
I also think the poor help the rich more often that the rich help the poor.
You are very right, and what bothers me most is that I think rich help with lots of things and sometimes try to do what they think is right. They just sometimes wind up helping people who really don't need help instead of helping those who need it the most. For example when they help with medical research and stuff. That is fine that they do that but I sure don't hear about em helping the poor, only other things like medical research.
You really need to try to understand why rich people got rich in the first place. Sure some inherited, but what's wrong with that? Their parents wanted to leave them with a legacy, and that's their right. But the people I'm talking about are the ones who make something from nothing. The Entrepreneurs. By lumping them in with the rich, you make two big mistakes. First by working for their money, they deserve it and more importantly, they figured out a way to come from any kind of a background and make it.
By studying them and what they did, you can learn their secrets and apply them in your own life. Then when you're successful you'll be able to make a bigger difference than you are now and you won't have to beggar yourself to do it. If we want a better society we have to encourage entrepreneurs and learn from them.
Also you ignore that fact that some poor people are poor due to the bad choices they've made. Giving them things only reinforces that poor decision making process so that they never have an incentive to better themselves. That's why I'm opposed to public welfare. Private welfare, due to their limited funds, have to decide who is more deserving of help. Thus the help tends to go to those who need it and will better themselves, excluding those who think the world owes them a living.
Apparently I don't. If I was rich, I would give to poor people in the mountains long before I would hand over anything to a hospital.
How are the terms "rich" and "poor" being defined for the purposes of this discussion?
1) net worth
2) income level
3) social class
4) level of education
5) Control over capital (whether owned by the individual or not?)
I have the feeling that different discussants here have different definitions and this is leading to misunderstanding.
Poor meaning income level. Ones who cannot afford to put food on the table and provide clothes for their children. Ones that cannot afford medical care for themselves or their children. Elderly who cannot afford to hardly live on there social security.
You're lumping all that in together. The first tow are solvable by private charity. There's a Goodwill and food bank in just about every village, town and city in the nation. Medical care is a bit thornier. Part of the reason health care is so expensive is that the supply of medical care is purposely held down, at least in the US. Finally the elderly. The entire Social Security setup is a scam. The people who put it in place wanted access to more tax money, but they didn't want to raise taxes, so they put the Social Security fund in general revenue. Never rely on the promise of a politician.
Well I am sure these people do not do this on purpose. Things happen and people fail. That is like saying forget the bailouts for anyone who needs them.
Suppose I am poor and have no money, yes, let me run down to the goodwill and PAY for some clothes.
sometimes ,if the rich man knows the value of person more than money.those to whom money is not the king.
K, I don't want to get anything started, I was just wondering...so, sorry.
Yes the rich help the poor but I think more can be done to help the poor create wealth.
Maybe I dont see this around here cuz maybe everyone is poor?...lol I used to live where rich people lived and I never did hear of anyone helping the poor is why I asked.
I do however think now would be a good time for someone rich to find some really poor people and help them. I think it is nice to see these things.
I agree with ledefensetech... as taxes rise it's harder to want to help. People don't like to be compelled to do things, they prefer to do them on their own accord.
Wealthy people are like low-income people in that they aren't "all one big club that thinks/does the same thing". Some, more than others, make it a point to try to donate money that will do the most people the most good. When "the world" knows someone is wealthy these people have people writing to them and asking for money. There are a lot of "have nots" in the world, and if they give to everyone who lost a job and everyone else who is struggling they'd have no money left to donate to anyone. A lot of people do stuff for others but don't want it public (because then "the whole world" will think they can do it for them too. Many wealthy celebrities have given away their money as soon as they earn it (buying homes for their family members and whatever else), only to find themselves dead broke.
There's a point where even the most charitable people have to draw the line; because if they keep giving and giving until they have no money left themselves, they won't be donating large amounts to different causes; and they won't be in a position to be hiring people (creating jobs) in their endeavors. This doesn't cover everything she has donated, but the following article points out that besides starting that school in Africa, Oprah paid for a bunch of Katrina victims' new homes.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic … 26,00.html
It stinks that some people struggle, and there are a lot of things that need to be done to alleviate that problem. Welfare programs, themselves, trap people in poverty; laws allow banks to operate in a way that makes people's situations worse. What Oprah Winfrey does with her money, though, is not my business. If I were in a big financial emergency I wouldn't want Oprah's (or any other citizen's) money to bail me out, any more than I'd want welfare money. Besides, again, nobody knows what any individual wealthy person does or doesn't do with his/her money. Assuming that the Gates are "the exception" is unfair, because I don't believe they are an exception. They're just well publicized because of the level of their wealth. Are there greedy, wealthy, jerks who don't care about others? Sure - but there are also greedy, poor, jerks who aren't above stealing from others too.
I'm not a religious person, but one of the Commandments comes to mind: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods (money)." I don't think "coverting thy neighbor's goods" is ever the solution to poverty and struggles.
I think it varies tremendously. But I would, if I were rich.
Every rich person I know help either the middle class or the poor. Where do you think jobs come from? And what better help is there than a job?
But, since you probably aren't privy to the financial proclivities of anyone besides yourself (unless you are an accountant or IRS agent) then what you are saying is merely an opinion that "Rich people help the middle class or poor" Totally unsubstantiated. The rich have helped by virtually eliminating the middle class, themselves. Automation , has, over the last fifty years, pushed millions of workers out of given fields, forcing them to adapt, only to be pushed out by more automation, trade agreements that have taken whole industries out of the American equation and shipped overseas. Rich people help, but they have also done irreparable damage to the very system that made them rich. The battle over healthcare...the conservative view is that healthcare is unaffordable, the dems view for the most part, is that we need it to have a healthy workforce. This is a hot button issue, and underscores what is being said here. There are rich people who are also dems. They don't necessarily contribute to charitable causes, as ther are rich repubs, I'm sure, who do.
You wrote, "But, since you probably aren't privy to the financial proclivities of anyone besides yourself (unless you are an accountant or IRS agent) then what you are saying is merely an opinion that "Rich people help the middle class or poor" Totally unsubstantiated."
In your opinion, outside of the government jobs, where do jobs come from?
"The rich have helped by virtually eliminating the middle class,"
This is Marxist, class warfare drivel. Nothing more. Nothing less.
". . .only to be pushed out by more automation, trade agreements that have taken whole industries out of the American equation and shipped overseas."
In your opinion what role have unions and government rules played in pushing industries into countries who want them more then we do?
"The battle over healthcare...the conservative view is that healthcare is unaffordable, the dems view for the most part, is that we need it to have a healthy workforce."
In my opinion you have misstated the debate. Conservatives believe that getting the government out of healthcare, including tort reform, and the elimination of regulations that restrict competition, is the only sure path to affordable health care for the greatest number of people. We also believe that each individual should be able to buy the quality of healthcare they can afford. Democrats believe that taking control of 1/6th of he economy, will guarantee they will stay in power for the rest of the nation's life.
How come the UK government can provide universal health care for about half the amount that the US spends on a very un-universal health care?
Some people can't afford any...let'em die. it'll make room for the rest of us? Marxist drivel? I don't care for the unions either, but, it was the fact that millions of american workers BEFORE the unions were subjected to long hours, no breaks no benefits, pennies aday, and child labor that was appalling. WHY? Because the employers were greedy. That is what brought the unions in in the first place. Those who have weren't giving back, and for your info, the middle class is nearly gone, and what is left is a shadow of what there was. We have brought all these problems upon ourselves, and it's not a Gop problem, it's not a dem problem, it's an american problem. Partisan politics only serves to divide, and, just as in the military, we should determine that no citizen is left behind.
You wrote, "Some people can't afford any...let'em die."
Well, some people cannot afford homes, cars, Starbucks coffee... And yet everyone manages to get what they can afford. It may require making the hard choice between that 72" LCD HD television and health care. It may mean deciding between any of a variety of competing demands. But that is what adults do.
Additionally, when the government gets out of it many will get in. And everyone will be far better served.
Yes. Pure class warfare. Poor against rich. It is what it is. Like it or not you are a class warrior for Karl Marx's distorted, incorrect view of the world. You may be a useful idiot (I believe Lenin's phrase) or you may be a real class warrior. Either way you are on the wrong side of history.
"I don't care for the unions either, but, it was the fact that millions of american workers BEFORE the unions were subjected to long hours, no breaks no benefits, pennies aday, and child labor that was appalling."
I understand there are some interesting myths out there. This is one of them.
"WHY? Because the employers were greedy."
What does this mean to you? How do you determine that employers are greedy? Who were the employers then? Who are they now? If you own any mutual funds you are probably an employer.
". . .and for your info, the middle class is nearly gone, and what is left is a shadow of what there was."
Really? So in your world view all of us are either rich or poor? As I drive through many square miles of middle class houses on my way to my mansion on the hill, who, in your opinion, is living in all of those very nice houses? They are not nice enough to be housing for the rich. Well, some of them are. And they are way too nice to be housing for the poor. So who lives in them?
I'm not sure why you've addressed this post to me. I did think our thinking was more aligned than that.
That goes back to the issue of how much one is paid versus how much one's work is worth. The working poor are not of much value to their employers. For anyone to get paid more they must increase their value to their employer. It is so simple.
Hey, going back to my factory days, there was an incentive scheme in place that paid a few pounds out for innovations and improvement.
One day one guy with responsibility for assembling one component came up with an improvement that would reduce the number of parts and speed up assembly.
The head honchos dropped on him and spent ages with their slide rules looking at what he'd suggested.
In the end they pronounced it good and in future to be carried out.
The worker in question then asked what it was worth to the company.
He was told that as it made his job easier he should be thankful that they weren't going to cut his pay.
And that, my friend, is a much more common scenario than the pay rises handed out for problem solving.
Most employers make money on the fact that you aren't getting paid for what your work is worth. They are looking for a bargain, something they can get on the cheap. It is to their advantage to pay you less than your worth. That is where the concept of exploitation comes in. Sound familar?
Indeed, if employers paid what employees were worth there'd be no profit left for the employers.
You are so funny when you want to be. Employers hire people so that they can earn a profit. If the employee is not helping to achieve that goal the employee is not worth very much.
Glory be! We've got there at last.
Employers don't employ people out of kindness, they employ them to make a profit.
You wrote, "Glory be! We've got there at last. Employers don't employ people out of kindness, they employ them to make a profit."
You sound as if this comes as some great surprise. Why did you think employers hire people?
Hang on, it was you arguing as if employers were doing the workers a great favour by letting them work as if there was nothing in it for them!
All this talk about paying what they are worth exposed as flim flam, they pay what they can make a profit on.
What am I to do with you?
You wrote, "Hang on, it was you arguing as if employers were doing the workers a great favour by letting them work as if there was nothing in it for them!"
Those are not my words.
"All this talk about paying what they are worth exposed as flim flam, they pay what they can make a profit on."
LOL. This is what defines what the employee is worth to the employer. If I cannot continue to generate significant profits for my employer I will be fired and he will find someone who will.
So the way to earn more is to be of greater worth to your employer. And yes, that means making sure he gets those hated profits.
Remember the title of this thread, "do the rich help the poor".
And your answer seems to be "only if it pays".
You make this wild assumption that the present capitalist system is the only one there is.
My answer still stands. Of course the rich help the poor. The very best help of all is a job. The rich create jobs.
In addition to the economic models of capitalism, socialism and Islamism what else is there?
Is that an economic model? Perhaps on the very small scale. It is not a model that nations will ever use.
It is not suited for large scale implementation. It is impractical. If it were not we would see examples at the nation-state level already.
I really doubt it even works at the commune level.
Try the Co-operative Bank, the range of Co-operative food stores also in the UK.
Try John Lewis.
All large scale businesses and all practical and working at the nation state level.
At the commune level try Suma, in existence for nigh on 30 years, try the Bicycle Doctor, nearly 30 years and on and on.
You gave in that easily?
Those co-ops are just mini-economies. They just invent their own money, allow only certain people to join in, and then conduct capitalism in a small shell.
They call it socialism, but it's really just restricted capitalism.
I think if you asked the employees (who are also the owners) of John Lewis you'd find they get paid in money not vouchers. Also, anyone can apply for a job in their stores.
What's so wrong with employee owned businesses? It's a great business model in my view (and experience).
It was a small point, easily given. It changes nothing really. There are three opposing economic models; capitalism, socialism, and Islamism. Two lead to tyranny. One leads to freedom.
What's the Islamic economic model? Never heard of that one. Also what about countries that use a mixed economic model such as the UK & US?
There are very few countries that adhere to one strict economic model and those that do don't seem to do too well.
That is wierd, is that going around, like a new contagious economic theory -- Islamism??? Yikes
Do the rich help the poor? Well, if only 52% of all Americans even have an effing job, then yeah, they help them a hell of a lot.
I may have to withdraw Islamism for now. I find I am unable to explain the difference between its economic formulation and socialism's.
I had in mind a formulation deeper than that. But it has been a few years now. For our purposes capitalism and socialism are sufficient.
You wrote, "Most employers make money on the fact that you aren't getting paid for what your work is worth."
If that is your experience you need to get a better job. Over time your income settles right about at what you are worth to your employer.
"They are looking for a bargain, something they can get on the cheap."
Employers who do this will always lose their best people to employers who pay what the employee is worth. It costs a lot to hire someone. No one wants to hire twice.
"It is to their advantage to pay you less than your worth. That is where the concept of exploitation comes in. Sound familiar?"
Yes. Right out of Karl Marx's discredited economic theories.
What cracks me up about all of you who damn the rich is you would trade places with them in a New York Minute. All of you are liars and hypocrites.
Sorry but I wouldn't swop.
I've been rich and I've been poor and I'm at my happiest when I have enough but no more.
And you are obviously incapable of being honest with yourself. Have you risen above human nature John ?
The rich help the poor at the end of the year when they donate millions to charity organizations.
You know it is sweet to here that the rich do donate to charity and most likely the charities are in bigger city but you know I’m one of the poor speaking and I don’t know of any charity or organizations in our small town that will help single families
Well you obviously have internet, so why not do some research if you need help? I don't know where you live, but if it's in America you can undoubtedly find someone or some organization to help you and your family. Search for charities in your area and see what they can do for you. It's up to you, not them, to get the help you need. And if you don't ask, you can't really blame anyone but yourself for not getting the help you need. I hope you find what you need.
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The question assumes the rich have a responsibility to help the poor. They do not. If they want to, it is their business. If they choose not to, that again is their business.
I would be far less likely to just hand out money. Rather I would choose to offer these people a job. You always feel better about the money you have if you work for it and earn it.
I think, not always. It depend how the person feels. I mean if he really thinks and really wants to help then he will definitely help but if he doesn't cares then he will not. Everybody is not the same with same feelings and thinking.
The question: Do the rich help the poor?
The answer: YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
OF COURSE THEY DO!!
Look around, how many things in your room are made possible by rich people:
Every single thing in your home that was made by a large company was brought to you thanks to some rich person's ability to maneuver resources properly!!!
Did you go to a chain store recently? That was a rich person as well!!
Q: Who helped more people -- Mother Theresa or Henry Ford?
A: Obviously Henry Ford.
Wow, nicely put. You might offend some of those who hate the rich, but facts speak louder than feelings. Good job.
You make it sound like there was nothing in it for them?
Well most of the people in my area do make generous donations to non-profit organizations at fundraisers. Without those donations most non-profits do not survive. They are run by exactly that rich people or grants. Grants are being cut, and so this leaves the rich. I would say I've seen lots of wealthy people in my area do a lot of good. Just depends on the rich person, and whether they want to help out a community or not.
THE QUESTION WAS "DO THEY HELP", NOT "ARE THEY GREEDY!!"
bwahahahha, I love being right.
(psst, by being greedy, they helped the poor! Ta-da!)
Think you can say henry ford helped out in some good ways, as well as mother theresa. How many people did Henry Ford pick up off the street that were diseased, had maggots, and lonely. The untouchables? Would you help those people even if you have lots of money. Who was richer financially probably Henry Ford, who was richer in love and helping others Mother Theresa. Is it better to be rich financially, or richer in your heart full of love.
Your life is much better thanks to rich people, you're just too ingrateful to notice.
Cars - Henry Ford.
Oil and fossil fuels - Rockefeller
Astonishing infrastructure needs - countless rich people
Computers - Gates and Jobs
and the list goes on.
But what about the countless not rich people who really made all these things happen?
They were given jobs in the time between "generating the resources to build the service/good" and "actually selling the good/service".
Another benefit from the rich to the poor!
My ex is very rich, and I never once saw him lift a hand to help anyone poor, except to pay them to landscape his yard or wash his car or clean his house. After Katrina, he was so afraid someone would steal his stuff that he spent thousands of dollars to hire private security to watch our house night and day.
But on the flip side, my best friend is also very rich, and she gave me a free place to stay for two years, and works every week at a soup kitchen, so it varies, I guess.
How'd your ex get rich? By doing work that helped people? Or by mooching off his parents?
Hi Evan, would you please look at the chart I have put up for you here: http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/79988
Please comment if you get a chance and I want to know if you understand the chart.
BTW, sometimes people just have to mooch off parents.
most of the rich give out the fish but don't teach how to fish.
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