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Obama Approval Slipping

  1. tksensei profile image61
    tksenseiposted 8 years ago

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallu … roval.aspx



    THE OBAMA's numbers are starting to slip, as one would expect. No honeymoon lasts forever.



    http://www.gallup.com/poll/121511/Obama … -June.aspx

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      pgrundyposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      How's tksensei's approval doing these days? big_smile

      1. tksensei profile image61
        tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Doing well with my core constituents!

        1. lrohner profile image84
          lrohnerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          I'd vote for you, TK!

          1. tksensei profile image61
            tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Alright, thanks! We've got a grassroots movement going!

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        Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Lagging a good 20 points behind Pam's, the way it looks.  smile

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      Madame Xposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      About f**cking time.

      1. JonTutor profile image54
        JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Do you wish Obama fails?... like Limbaugh.

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          Madame Xposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Yes. I want him to fail. Because he is bringing our once-free republic to be a tyrannical communist/socialist state. Is that what YOU want?

          1. JonTutor profile image54
            JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            If Obama fails...America fails. Stop this BS about US being a "communist/socialist state".... nothing of that sort gonna happen.

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              Madame Xposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              Are you making a joke? America won't fail because we remove an incompetent fool who can't even repeat his orders without a teleprompter. America is far stronger than anyone wants to admit. As for "stopping this BS" - we are headed down the road to communism under Obama. If you can't or won't see that, then the only assumption I can make is that you want that and are happy with the resulting loss of liberty that it brings.

              1. JonTutor profile image54
                JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                Looks like you want President of US to fail... which happens to be Obama.... Of course we are strong... we Americans could last 8 years under stupid Bush.... the rest of your rant... wait and see.

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                  Madame Xposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  "Looks like". . . I stated outright that I DO want him to fail. Have you ever heard the phrase "useful idiot"? It was coined by Stalin. It describes those who push the current political agenda without understanding it's consequences.

                  1. JonTutor profile image54
                    JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                    Ain't it a self fulfilling prophecy... to wish someone to fail... you folks want to be so right.... even at the risk of wishing failure for all of us...calling folks like me "Idiot"... I'm done talking to you madam.

  2. lrohner profile image84
    lrohnerposted 8 years ago

    I didn't vote for him. But I do fully acknowledge that the guy was put on such a high pedestal, there was nowhere for him to go but down.

    1. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Sure, and every new president comes down to earth eventually. The danger for Obama is the longer the economy remains weak the less patience the people are going to have for all this enormous spending and 'stimulus' and takeovers of private companies and such. That in turn will erode support for things like nationalized health care and the energy bill. The economy is likely to pick up sooner or later (unless all this 'stuff' he's doing really does us in), but he'd better hope it starts looking up real soon.

      1. My Inner Jew profile image67
        My Inner Jewposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          well i for one don't want nationalized health care

        1. tksensei profile image61
          tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          I hear ya, sister!

        2. iyoung03 profile image82
          iyoung03posted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Me either... I think it is a terrible idea

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            Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Take a News Break, folks!!  Please READ valid sources for your information.  Maybe 'nationalized health care' and Obama don't belong in the same sentence?  Why don't you check it out.

            Don't know where to begin?  Try a good local paper, Newsweek, Time, etc. at your library.

            PLEASE.

            1. tksensei profile image61
              tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              .............................  roll

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                Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                I think YOU need to go back to Kindergarten, actually.  That would be my assessment.

                1. tksensei profile image61
                  tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  You've been spoken to before about the personal attacks, ma'am.

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                    Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                    I know that you have been spoken to and warned.  I have not been....  If you express yourself in such away, then the word fits.

                  2. earnestshub profile image86
                    earnestshubposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                    You follow Lita around hounding her and then claim a personal attack. You make me want to puke!

  3. RooBee profile image83
    RooBeeposted 8 years ago

    Hooo boy. Here we go. I'm not playing, but I'm sure many will. Have a great day. smile

    1. Davinagirl3 profile image61
      Davinagirl3posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      You are a wise lady.  I am with you.

    2. Army Infantry Mom profile image61
      Army Infantry Momposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Well my Daddy always says if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say nothing at all,...So I'm with you on this one !!!

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        Madame Xposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah, it's always better to keep your mouth shut if you like the sub role lol

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
          Eaglekiwiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Oh no now theres gonna be sand all over the place, and squabbles over the gj joe , Im off to make some crab cakes smile

  4. BrianFanslau profile image61
    BrianFanslauposted 8 years ago

    I agree I have seen many shaky bloggers lately and some of my friends who voted for him are pretty weak on him.

  5. Stacie L profile image86
    Stacie Lposted 8 years ago

    He's trying to do too much and control too much.

    The govt is growing,spending money we don't have...

    I'm a little disappointed sad

    1. My Inner Jew profile image67
      My Inner Jewposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      It's part of the whole Febian theory.  The idea to get out of a recession is for the government to increase spending drastically.  Well, in increasing spending, the government gains more control.  Our federal goverment has more power and the states have less power.

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        Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I hope that isn't a Rush Limbaugh take on economics, is it, MIJ?

        Are there any instances where the situation you describe has happened, but the increase of federal power was temporary--so that after the crisis was over, things were perhaps a bit different, but also not every Republican's largest fear?

        The conservatives I read say the past administration was much more responsible for growing big government than any democrat, you know...

      2. tksensei profile image61
        tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        All the 'Czar this' and 'Czar that' stuff represents a dangerous assumption of unchecked power.

        1. iyoung03 profile image82
          iyoung03posted 8 years ago in reply to this

          I agree.  For one there are way too many czars, and for another I think that they should be confirmed by congress just like any other cabinet appointee.

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    annvansposted 8 years ago

    I do not vote, so I cannot say much.  I wont vote until I find someone who I would really like in office.

    1. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      If you are waiting for perfection you'll never vote. Hold your nose and make the best of it.

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        annvansposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I am not waiting for perfection, just someone that I see with a good chance of making the U.S. a better place.  I would vote for sarah palin.

        1. tksensei profile image61
          tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          You may well get your chance eventually.

        2. Paper Moon profile image80
          Paper Moonposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Ahahahahha.
          Oh, wait, you are serious.....
          in that case, I am so sorry.

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            Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Oh, wow, do I agree with what you inferred...and said.

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    annvansposted 8 years ago

    Good, would be nice to have a new change behind the desk for a while.

    1. livelonger profile image89
      livelongerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      That's what a solid majority of Americans said in January after 8 years of Bush.

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    marie1958posted 8 years ago

    I didn't vote for him but it was pretty close at the end. I really liked his presence but worried about experience. While I agree with some of the comments above about him possibly taking on too much, I really think it's goofy how people and the media always make the country's well being out to be one person's responsibility.

    There are hundreds of people in our government that vote to make decisions and negotiate to get bills passed. Yet no one talks very much how congress and state gov take the big picture idea and can make a mess of it. What are your thoughts their?

    1. livelonger profile image89
      livelongerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I agree with you. A lot of change begins with Congress; the President just signs bills into law. Whether you agree or disagree with his platform, he has been doing a tremendous amount of things since taking office, in line with his campaign promises.

    2. iyoung03 profile image82
      iyoung03posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Well since as of June 23 2009 congress' approval rating was 33% I don't think Obama's the only one getting blamed.  I think that a lot of people including much of the media are just starting to get over the infatuation with him and seeing some of the flaws.

      http://www.gallup.com/poll/121208/congr … ps-33.aspx

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        Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        News is a business.  Feelings like being personally 'infatuated' with a candidate usually are not part of selling to subscribers and readers-but then again, they also do KNOW their constituents, wink.  People should try to seek out balanced coverage.  That means reading more than a few publications or polls and trying to analyze politics/issues critically.

        1. iyoung03 profile image82
          iyoung03posted 8 years ago in reply to this

          I agree which is why I tend to watch, listen to, and read multiple news sources.  I am independent and have more often the not leaned a little left of center on many issues/ candidates in the past.  However I did not vote for Obama because I did not think he would be a strong leader.  I do not agree with the path he is taking the country down and I do not like how congress is blindly going along with him.  Because I do not agree with Obama does not mean that I do not have a full understanding of the issues or that I am not well read and well informed.  That is my main issue with both Democrats and Republicans if you do not agree with them they immediately want to criticize you and accuse you of being biased and/or uninformed. 

          Nikki

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            Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            It was the comment about nationalized health care.  As far as I know, that really does not accurately reflect the Obama plan.

            And it was basically spoken as a person who has/had worked in journalism for a while.

  9. SweetiePie profile image85
    SweetiePieposted 8 years ago

    First off all presidents have rises and falls in opinion polls.  Bush Sr was at the top of his game at the end of the Gulf War, but by the time of the 92 election he lost to Clinton, and that was even with a large number of people supporting Perot. 

    Some of us made informed decisions when we voted for Obama, and we knew the economy had been in trouble for along time anyway.  Obama is doing what he can with a less than positive economy, and I wonder how people can be so fickle? 

    Do you really think Palin and McCain would be doing a better job?  I for one am happy to have a president who is once again trying to make us part of the world community, and not antagonizing other nations.  If people only voted for Obama because they were fickle, they are probably let down because they did not think their voting choice through more.

    1. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Only some?

    2. rastrother profile image55
      rastrotherposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      i dont think i know palin and mcCain would have done a better job, you know why because there republicans. Everyone has always said that republicans are for the rich and democrats are for the poor. at least thats the way it used to be. well if thats true and republicans are considered rich and for the rich people then they would still be great to keep in office. you know why because let me tell a secret as to why rich people have money, and this is for any rich person not just politics.its because they dont spend it, obama going and trowing away billions and billions of dollars is not what this country needs. you can blame it all on bush if you want, but ive said this a hundred times and ill say it again. what good is a republican president if everyone in congress is democrat?

      1. SweetiePie profile image85
        SweetiePieposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Simplistic comments really make no sense.

        1. rastrother profile image55
          rastrotherposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          how much does obama pay you to sit and watch these forums hoping someone will make a bad comment about him? seriously you cant handle the truth

          1. SweetiePie profile image85
            SweetiePieposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            I am a history major and I can tell you that under most Democratic administrations since World War II the economy has faired better than under most Republican administrations.  I am an intelligent lady that strives to make well thought out comments, and you just follow your party idealogy.  Some of the worst administrations have been run by Repulicans, just to state the facts.  I speak for myself dear, and if you think Obama is paying me you really will be sad to find out he is not lol.

            1. rastrother profile image55
              rastrotherposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              of coarse i dont really believe that obama is paying you. why would he pay someone who will actually believe his hype for free. and just so you know i do tend to lean more toward the republican side BUT i vote independatly. if you want to keep a democrat in office fine, but clinton would have done a better job than obama. at least she wouldnt be treatin the white house like pee wee's play house..

            2. tksensei profile image61
              tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              Do you have a comparative chart for us?

              1. rastrother profile image55
                rastrotherposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                no she dosnt she is a democrat and there is no rationalizing with her. she is bound to not like republicans from the start.and she has made up her mind, thats why her state is in debt and mine isnt smile

                1. tksensei profile image61
                  tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  Actually, in this case she is right but I just wanted to see a chart.

  10. tksensei profile image61
    tksenseiposted 8 years ago

    And so it seems that the turning tide is having an effect already.

    Obama is making comments that seem to rule out a second 'stimulus package.'

    1. rastrother profile image55
      rastrotherposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      there is no need for a stimulus package.... come on people the goverment dosent have the money as it is. obama has made sure of that giving the last of the money that we have to foreign grant programs.

  11. tksensei profile image61
    tksenseiposted 8 years ago
  12. TheMoneyGuy profile image70
    TheMoneyGuyposted 8 years ago

    In a Democracy, All politicians regardless of their supposed party must do the bidding of their masters.  Obama is no exception to the rule.  His masters paid a lot and they expect a lot, and he has given them a lot.  From a business stand point he has been a perfect Capital Purchase.  George Soros alone has seen a return of about 1000% on his little campaing investment.

    TMG

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      Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      TMG, I'm sure.  But we have serious issues...I mean I would defect to Europe...if ever madam Sarah Palin makes it into that office.

      1. TheMoneyGuy profile image70
        TheMoneyGuyposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        It might actually be better if she were to win, because then enough of the left might be outraged enough to take to the streets, and then some real change might actually happen.  And if you went to Europe you would miss all the fun.

        :-)
        TMG

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          Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          This is true, TMG.  wink  I didn't think of it that way!

          Hey...I'm in the process of selling one of my land investments--for 4.5 times what I paid for it.  What do you know/think of Forex trading/investing?  (oh, and haha, I'm recommending people see your hubs when they skate onto my real estate one...)

          1. TheMoneyGuy profile image70
            TheMoneyGuyposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Forex, that is a very good question, I think I will write a Hub today on the subject, it is too long to do here.

            Yes, land is the only thing worth owning, I mean that in many ways.  Both figuratively and literally.  As I believe it to be the only true means to wealth. 

            Sending people my way huh, Thank you, nothing is more validating than having someone you think is intelligent putting their stamp of approval on your work.

            TMG

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              Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              smile 

              I'll read your hub.  (But no pressure or anything!)

      2. tksensei profile image61
        tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Well, she just won my vote!

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          Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          I've decided to stick around if that happens, due to TMG's well reasoned remarks.

          And BTW, as much as you obviously would like to believe otherwise, I live on the opposite coast, and am NOT interested and would never be interested in any contact with you.

          OMG, lolololollolo. !  You poor deluded creature.

          1. tksensei profile image61
            tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            More good news.

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              Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              Yeah.  OMG, lolololololoooolol!  I like smart people who don't find it amusing to pull the proverbial wings off flies like a child.  SOL!

              btw, I would consider livelonger's comment well-considered based on the evidence sharply at hand. wink

              1. tksensei profile image61
                tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                What eloquence.

        2. livelonger profile image89
          livelongerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          She's always had your vote. There is a large class of "conservatives" that happily cut off their nose to spite their face.

          1. tksensei profile image61
            tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            LOL @ the mind reading libs who know what is best for everyone!

            LOL!

            1. livelonger profile image89
              livelongerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              Conservatives that don't like cutting off their nose to spite their face realize that Sarah Palin is good for Sarah Palin and no one else.

              1. tksensei profile image61
                tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                Of course YOU know what that is or isn't...

                1. livelonger profile image89
                  livelongerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  Glad we've arrived at some sort of agreement. (Your habit of redacting others' comments is really annoying)

      3. rastrother profile image55
        rastrotherposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        you know what that's exactly how im seeing the senario playing out. so id have to say im with you sister

  13. SweetiePie profile image85
    SweetiePieposted 8 years ago

    Really there is no rationalizing with you and those who think like you because you are determined to not like Obama.  Hillary would have been a good president, but Obama is doing a better job.  The economy has been on a down ward decline, and it is not going to correct itself over night.  Anyway, some people just do not like Obama period, and they have made up their minds.  Talking politics is like playing a game of circles really.

    1. rastrother profile image55
      rastrotherposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      you know what your right i dont like obama. because he went to law school and he is a lawyer. you know what lawyers do they lie, not what we need for a president right now smile

      1. SweetiePie profile image85
        SweetiePieposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        It sounds like you do not know any lawyers personally.  Once I remember back when I was teaching there were a couple of colleagues who believed that stereotype, and no matter how much I tried to show them this was not true they were hindered by this crutch.  Many lawyers actually go into the field to do good and are very ethical.  My aunt was a very high powered lawyer, and probably one of the most ethical people I have ever met.

        1. rastrother profile image55
          rastrotherposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          the way it sounds to me is that you only people who agree with you is yourself.

          1. SweetiePie profile image85
            SweetiePieposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks for the personal attacks.  Another person pointed out to you stereotyping is not good, but if you persist then I will just know you like being rude.

            1. rastrother profile image55
              rastrotherposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              well you did say that even your own colleges didnt agree with you. by the way pointing something out is not the same as attacking.

              1. SweetiePie profile image85
                SweetiePieposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                Well I was not close with those colleagues, but I can assure you many people are actually impressed with my opinions.  You do not have to be one of them.  Yes you do attack people because you make large blanket statements, most of which are exaggerations .  Anyway, I hope you have fun playing on the forum.  Why would my colleges be disagreeing with me lol.

                1. tksensei profile image61
                  tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  Some folks around here seem to have a veeeery broad understanding of things like "attack" and "hate" and such. Some thin skins 'round these parts...

                  1. rastrother profile image55
                    rastrotherposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                    i don't see what the big deal is? i have not said anything different from what she has said other than we disagree. all the other comments are facts not threats and i have already proved them to her. by me saying her state is in debt by my previous posts is only because it's a fact, not a threat. everyone knows california is hurting right now. and yes i told her that the only person who agrees with her is herself, only because she made a comment stating that even her colleages dont agree with her. so that is fact not a threat. if she wants to play that then i guess she has threatened me too, because from her very first post she has blabbed about how she is well educated, history major. so she knows what she talkin about and i dont. hows that for a BLANKET STATEMENT.

          2. girly_girl09 profile image68
            girly_girl09posted 8 years ago in reply to this

            SweetiePie is absolutely right: discussing politics (at least in this type of situation, on an internet forum) is like playing a game of circles. I absolutely agree. big_smile

            There are some people on here that no matter how hard they try to convince me, I will probably never interpret information the way that they do. wink I know that they will never do the same with my information, either. We agree to disagree, and I certainly respect anyone for sharing their opinion, when done so gracefully.

            Obviously, we all have researched information that we base our opinions off of. I find myself rolling my eyes every once in a while when reading on the political forums on here and I know people of the opposite political persuasion, do too. wink Everyone has different information and experiences. That's why there are different political parties and constituents with different viewpoints. That's awesome because that's what democracy is all about!

            There are a lot of folks on here that come out and say things to the effect of: "I am so right. You are so wrong, therefore I am smarter than you and you are an idiot."

            I haven't seen SweetiePie do that. I don't believe she would, either. Instead, she shares her own opinions, in a very kind manner and I enjoy listening to her viewpoints because they are presented very respectfully. Anything that comes across as righteous or passion-oriented (for me, political policy should only be about facts), is a huge turn-off for political discussion.

            1. Army Infantry Mom profile image61
              Army Infantry Momposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              I will agree to your statement. A lot of my views are totally the oppisites of SweetiePies however, she speaks well for what she believes in and I listen, she has a way of getting me to look at something from a different perspective. That's the great thing about forums, disscussions are important, but even more important is listening and being open to listen to others.

              1. usmanali81 profile image54
                usmanali81posted 8 years ago in reply to this

                Agreed

      2. Eaglekiwi profile image72
        Eaglekiwiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        that is stereotying
        like saying some doctors have killed , all doctors must be killers

        1. rastrother profile image55
          rastrotherposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          your right but whats the first he did when he got into office? he lied

          1. JonTutor profile image54
            JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            BIGGEST LIE....WMD... now wait a minute... thats not Obama wink

    2. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      By what measure?

  14. Lady_E profile image81
    Lady_Eposted 8 years ago

    I'd say give him at least a year in Office before evaluating. He only checked-in a couple of months ago.

    It ain't an easy job. smile

  15. usmanali81 profile image54
    usmanali81posted 8 years ago

    Obama will face more degradation in future.

    1. Lady_E profile image81
      Lady_Eposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Salaam alei Kun Usman. I very much doubt your comment and would be interested to know why you think so.

      1. usmanali81 profile image54
        usmanali81posted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Wa alaikum salam!

        Dear Lady,

        Following are the major points which is degrading Obama day by day.

        1) He is totally unable to coupe with the CREDIT CRUNCH.

        2) He has no other plan except NEW MASONIC (WORLD) ORDER for the whole world.

        2) He lied about closing the Guantanamo Bay Jail.

        3) He lied about withdrawing American, NATO or ISAF troops from Afghanistan and Iraq.

        4) He has done nothing to clear the Federal Reserve's debt of almost 8 trillion dollars.

        5) He is unable to trial Bush for his war crimes. Bush himself admitted in his last interview that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and was sorry about his policies. BUSH MUST BE GIVEN THE DEATH PENALTY IMMEDIATLY.

        6) He has done nothing to coupe with the problem of prisons and prisoners of USA which are maximum as compared to any other country of the world.

        7) He has done nothing to coupe with the major problem of rapes that take place per day (almost 2000 rapes per day) in USA. USA also leads over other countries in this regard.

        8) He has done nothing to reduce the maximum number of registered cases of Depression, Hypertension, Obesity, Breast Cancer, Aids ....... (a long list of diseases).

        9) He has done nothing to coupe with the problem of increasing number of illegitimacy (child birth without wedlock).

        10) He has done nothing to revive the family system and bring back the old innocent parents to their young healthy children from old age houses.

        11) He must demote USA's Nuclear Program and weapons before instructing any other country of the world whether Iran or Israel .............

        12) ..............

        13) ..............

        The list goes on and on, seems never ending.

        1. JonTutor profile image54
          JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Seriously guys like you hate America no matter what we do..... What is your source?... <snipped>

          1. usmanali81 profile image54
            usmanali81posted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Did i say "i hate America" ???

            1. JonTutor profile image54
              JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                You don't have to say.... it is implied.... what is your source?.... Are you from Pakistan?

              1. usmanali81 profile image54
                usmanali81posted 8 years ago in reply to this

                lol why are you desperate about my identity ??? Are you going to report Freemasons

                1. JonTutor profile image54
                  JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  Just curios.... you're hell bent... bad mouthing US.... let us know the "great" country you're from?... Told ya there're no Freemasons around here... except in your imagination. wink

  16. SweetiePie profile image85
    SweetiePieposted 8 years ago

    First off Obama is repairing our relations with the world community, which is a very important step.  Some Americans say we should not care what other countries think about our actions, but I would compare that to a class buly that simply does not care what his other classmates think.  Basically the Republicans on this thread love to pick at anything that goes against their idealogy.  The Stimulus Package has actually saved some jobs that would have been lost if it had not been passed, especially for those working for the cities and the counties.  There is still much work to be done, but here is a story showing how the Democrats actually have done more good than harm: 

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1021/p09s01-coop.html

    1. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      By prostrating our nation before enemies and allies alike? History doesn't have much to suggest that security and respect are to be found in weakness and self-flaggelation.

      1. SweetiePie profile image85
        SweetiePieposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Sorry you see things that way. No, savvy world leaders know that we are all equal players in the global community, and one country should not intimidate others.  Even Reagan and Bush Sr. were far more diplomatic and restrained than Bush Jr. was during his term in office.

        1. iyoung03 profile image82
          iyoung03posted 8 years ago in reply to this

          I agree that Bush Jr. did a lot to tarnish our international image.  And I agree that it definitely needed some repairing; I just think there is a right way to go about it and a wrong way.  And I don't think Obama's way is completely right.  You can be strong on national defense, security, and stand up for democracy without alienating half the world.

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    Leta Sposted 8 years ago

    OMG...guess TK has found himself a new 'sweetie' to bother with his protestations and flagellations.  (BTW, that is the correct spelling of that last word of the sentence.)

  18. tksensei profile image61
    tksenseiposted 8 years ago

    Thank you

  19. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 8 years ago

    How is sending more troops into Afghanistan "prostrating our nation"? Obama is meeting with world leaders on issues affecting the entire globe. It's high time America accepted its place as a country among countries. We are not the Superman of all nations nor should we be a bully in the sandbox. Obama's diplomacy is being well received. Hooray!

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
      Eaglekiwiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I second that MM smile
      and third it
      and anything else it lol

      lil bit of trivia for you all
      A small primary (elementary) school in a rural town, in New Zealand recently acknowledged World Leaders. And the school children (after 3 weeks on the 'learning about our world unit') were invited to write comments under the pictures of leaders etc....
      Under the USA and pic of Pres.Obama, one kid had written "Attaboy".!!!..these were like 8&9 yr olds...

      I just thought that was so neat ,and guess I wanted to share too that other countries are interested and do care what World Leaders are doing..smile

      1. JonTutor profile image54
        JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Thank God.... there're still some folks who give Obama a chance.

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        Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        What a cool thing to relate, Eaglekiwi...  Kids are pretty smart.

    2. rastrother profile image55
      rastrotherposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      why do you think our country has not really been F***ed with so to speak besides pearl harbor and 9/11? its because we have always carried the mentality of, you mess with us we'll kick your a**. america has always been on top of the todem pole and in my opinion there are only 2 other country that could possibly get us off, china and russia. not to say that we have built ourselves up so high that we can not be brought down, but as of now there are only a couple of country with the technology level to take us on. the only reason obama sent troops to Afghanistan is because he found out that its not as easy as just pulling all troops out like he thought. to stay on top it envolves attacking before being attacked, and thats what no one understands

      1. JonTutor profile image54
        JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Attacking without provocation leads to a perpetual  situation of a "state at war".... Such stupid mindset perpetrates hatred towards America....Gosh..... Don't we have enough problems at home.

        1. rastrother profile image55
          rastrotherposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          you dont just attack at random. you attack the people who are of the most threat before they attack you. but you know what fine thats the way we have been doing it for years. obama go ahead and bring the change because i will abondon ship. i'll be da**ed if im going to be attacked on my home turf.

          1. JonTutor profile image54
            JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Did Iraq possess WMD?... Was Iraq a threat?

            1. rastrother profile image55
              rastrotherposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              look im not trying to pick fights all im saying is we have been doing the same thing for years. why change it has kept us safe.

              1. JonTutor profile image54
                JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                Picking battles abroad... we can't be insulated forever at home... we have to stop looking at the world from our POV.... Unnecessary American invasions in places like Iraq are prime recruiting talking points for terrorist agendas.... in the long run making enemies doesn't guarantee safety for anybody.

            2. tksensei profile image61
              tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              No and yes.

          2. Eaglekiwi profile image72
            Eaglekiwiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Well then you'd understand perfectly why other countries resent the USA attacking them on their own turf!!
            Do you not see how hyocritical your attitude sounds?

      2. gamergirl profile image60
        gamergirlposted 8 years ago in reply to this
  20. SweetiePie profile image85
    SweetiePieposted 8 years ago

    Very good points Mighty Mom!

  21. onthewriteside profile image60
    onthewritesideposted 8 years ago

    Hmmpphh!  Oblahblah's numbers are slipping? (He says to himself, scratching his head in disbelief.)  Geez...I never saw THAT coming...  lol

    1. JonTutor profile image54
      JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Law of gravity... what goes up comes down. wink

      1. onthewriteside profile image60
        onthewritesideposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Ah yes!  Of course!  I knew there had to be a scientific explanation... wink

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          sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Well he is certainly a magician.  He is very good at making money disappear. big_smile

          1. JonTutor profile image54
            JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Bush invented that magic trick... Obama just innovated it. lol

            1. onthewriteside profile image60
              onthewritesideposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              LOL!  Have you guys ever seen a visual interpretation of what a trillion dollars actually looks like?  I have a link, but I think you need to have power point installed in order to view it...

              http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&pi … powerpoint

              1. JonTutor profile image54
                JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                Dude Where did you see.. do you have money stashed in swiss bank... with your wall street gig... or maybe kickbacks from Madoff wink

                Thanks... will check the link.

                1. onthewriteside profile image60
                  onthewritesideposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  It's quite an eye-opener I must say...

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                    sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                    I couldn't view it. sad

        2. JonTutor profile image54
          JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Another scientific explanation... although nothing to worry about at 20.... What comes down can go up...Viagra/Cialis...LOL wink

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            sandra rinckposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            debt!

            1. JonTutor profile image54
              JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              Sis do you wanna talk about financial worries... at such a "delicate" moment. wink

  22. Eaglekiwi profile image72
    Eaglekiwiposted 8 years ago

    The media must have moved off Michael Jackson , and decided to stir the people up with some Political jibber jabber.   

    Oh geeze now thats unusual for the media ,havent they said that about all Presidents at some stage, approval slipping.

    They just love it when the kids fight

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      Madame Xposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, the fun is just beginning! lol

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
        Eaglekiwiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        My mother-in-law said it hasnt been fun for many years now,but oh well whatever bastes ya turkey

  23. gamergirl profile image60
    gamergirlposted 8 years ago

    Why can't you post anything positive or constructive, tksensei?

    1. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Positive or constructive like ridiculing mentally challenged people? Positive or constructive like changing my quotes to suggest I said something I didn't? You don't have to like me, but don't let that cloud your sense of reason.

      1. gamergirl profile image60
        gamergirlposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Tk, you chop up peoples' words all the time.  You take a snippet of their posts which are generally lengthy at first, then dwindle to near nothing as you continue to give one or two line responses without actually saying anything new - you insult people constantly, at least you appear to in tone - for instance, why did you automatically assume my sense of reason is clouded just because I questioned you?

        Lita knows kind of where I sit as far as the whole stooping to ground level and wriggling like a worm goes.  You obviously don't, so here it is:

        I like the Hubpages forums.  I don't like seeing one person run rampant through the forum making skid marks everywhere in attempts to dirty the grounds.  (I know you're not LITERALLY performing these actions, but it's metaphor.)

        Could you, for just a while, go without posting things that you KNOW FULL WELL will cause arguments or tension, and perhaps be pleasantly sociable?

  24. SweetiePie profile image85
    SweetiePieposted 8 years ago

    I recommend the BBC website whilst online.  To me the reporting is just way more accurate than much of what is out there.

  25. SweetiePie profile image85
    SweetiePieposted 8 years ago

    Thanks for the balanced and well thought out post girly_girl smile.

    1. girly_girl09 profile image68
      girly_girl09posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      no problem...I was thinking about writing a hub about the benefits of political discussion on hubpages' forums - are there any? LOL

      My conclusion would be: no, not a whole lot! wink

      For me, I enjoy developing my debate skills. Other than that, I know that my presenting of a few facts here and there isn't going to change many opinions. I don't expect it too. I hope other people don't expect to change my opinion, either. Like I said, we all have been made aware of different information and all have different experiences. Thank goodness, because life would be pretty darn boring if this was not the case.

      However, I fear that many on here just like to argue and lose sight of the true purpose of political discussion, which I would have to define as the method in which issues are debated and discussed to weigh the pros and cons in order to reach or strengthen a conclusion. So many people resort to including belittling statements and righteous attitudes with little bits of interesting information and facts sprinkled in. Who is going to respond well to that? It's not something I like to participate in.

      I like discussion based on facts. Not blog posts that can be traced back to K Street on Washington D.C. or what someone heard from and friend of a friend of a friend. Sadly, there is a lot of that on here.

      If the political discussions on HubPages involved more factual information and no personal attacks (*completely* pointless!), I'd definitely want to participate more. smile

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        Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        smile Yes, Virginia(s).  There is intelligent life out there.  Once in a while...oh, pre-two or so months ago...there were some pretty good debates going on hubpage political forums (and sometimes still are).  And yes, a lively debate and and exchange of ideas...even barbs...can hone your mental skills.  I also believe that one can and do influence and change others' perceptions, sometimes widening them & sometimes for the better.

        I think when people assume "opinions are just opinions," etc. they perhaps think of this as a zero sum game.  And many of the new participants, keen on being as disagreeable as humanly possible I take it, obviously think that. But it isn't always so.

        These stereotypical loud mouth types biggest sin is being boring, though!

  26. SweetiePie profile image85
    SweetiePieposted 8 years ago

    girly_girl

    If I were having common sense lately I would rarely participate in the political discussions.  However, you could always write a blog elsewhere besides Hubpages and perhaps make it unidentifying enough to where no one could know who you were.  However, I understand your being hesitant to do so to because it seems many people will flame those discussion.

  27. SweetiePie profile image85
    SweetiePieposted 8 years ago

    I just want to add a few things here.  First off I know many introverts who do not enjoy debates of any kind, but they are some of the most astute people I know.  They listen and read, but rarely contribute to debates because they simply do not enjoy these exchanges.  Online I am a some what more outspoken of my thoughts and feelings, but in a group I would draw back a little.  Nothing wrong with deciding not to participate in these exchanges, and I think sometimes it can be more peaceful that way.


    As for insisting that the economy of Texas is thriving in this current down turn, well that is not 100% accurate.  California has the largest and most complex economy here in the US, and the largest population in the country.  California also has the eighth largest economy in the world, which is a large reason as to why we have taken such a hit.

    It is very limiting to generalize and not point out the specifics.  The entire world economy is not in good shape right now, just to let those know who feel their state is doing really well.  Maybe the unemployment rate there is lower than other states, but seven percent is still high, and more jobs will be lost this year.

    The Texas unemployment rate is rising along with that of the country, so to proclaim that one's state is in better shape is ridiculous:

    http://economywatchblog.dallasnews.com/ … a-gre.html

    A couple of people on this thread follow people around and make personal comments.  If I stood up for my education it was because from the first exchanges I was being spoken down to, and I do not have to accept that treatment.  So you can wrap up your perspective in a pretty little bow and say you are showing me the facts, but that is simply not the case.

  28. tksensei profile image61
    tksenseiposted 8 years ago

    To go off topic for a moment, folks have reeeeeeaaaaalllly got to cool it with the hyper-sensitivity.

    "I'm being talked down to!"

    "I'm being attacked!"

    "Hate! Hate!"

    I think it takes a lot more to rise to the level of any of these things than some folks seem to believe.






    ...just sayin'...

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
      Eaglekiwiposted 8 years ago in reply to this
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      Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      And as you have been asked once (from what I know) to tone down your...um, 'tactics,' maybe you ought to figure a couple things out.

      No, TK, you are not screaming and brawling with people in pubs.

      1. tksensei profile image61
        tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Um, yeah, I know. Could you PLEASE stop talking about violence like that? It's like an obsession or something...disturbing...

  29. SweetiePie profile image85
    SweetiePieposted 8 years ago

    TK you were very protective of Sarah Palin over the David Letterman debacle.  Also, you were a little upset when people simply said the minister she invited to town was a little odd.  So it is one thing to claim you not phased by little thing, but that is not completely the case. 

    Also, no one is going to conform to your way of thinking.  I feel very fair and kind, and I do not have to rise to anything.  Nothing I have said is out of line.

    1. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Protective? No, that would suggest some personal connection that does not exist.




      That is hardly what some people said, but that is neither here nor there.



      As I was saying...

    2. rastrother profile image55
      rastrotherposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      i agree with tk.

  30. profile image0
    Leta Sposted 8 years ago

    BELIEVE IT OR NOT...your tactics are obvious to many here, TK.

    And as I recall, we said concerning that minister that praying over the condemning people as witches and running them out of villages is, to put it mildly, a 'bit odd.' 

    I think you really need to pick up with your reading for context and vocabulary skills.  (And that's not a lie...just a helpful suggestion.)

    1. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      See, THAT is what you would call a 'personal attack.' A pretty weak one, but nonetheless...

      1. profile image0
        Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        A comment you deserve.  And true, as well.  There are those here who you ARE attacking who would not say anything.  And just because your tactics are a little below what a casual observer may ascertain as abusive does not mean that some of us who have witnessed your procedure on the forums now for months don't see it.

        1. rastrother profile image55
          rastrotherposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          so when we dont agree with you we are attacking, but when you all dont agree with us and make slight personal attacks you consider those to be nothing out of line? talk about hipocracy...

  31. tksensei profile image61
    tksenseiposted 8 years ago

    How about discussing the topic of the thread? How would that be?

  32. profile image0
    Leta Sposted 8 years ago

    Only when that is convenient for you, I take it?

    Why ANYONE even attempts to talk to you anymore on any issue is beyond me.  Sweetiepie has been kind enough to do so...one of few.  You ought to thank her instead of attack her.

    You are quite the piece of work, I must say.

    1. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      How 'bout all the time?

      1. profile image0
        Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Only when it is convenient for you.  As witnessed on numerous threads.  They've even measured how many posts you make daily of your nonsense.  It along the lines of 27 per day, to most people's average of 10.

        I'm done with you today.  Too much excitement for me, yawn.

        1. tksensei profile image61
          tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          How 'bout all the time?

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
            Ron Montgomeryposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            When are you two getting married?

 
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