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Obama says police were 'stupid' to arrest black professor Henry Louis

  1. nicomp profile image60
    nicompposted 7 years ago

    The cowboy president strikes again...

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w … 724625.ece

    "The President acknowledged his friendship with Mr Gates and admitted that he did not know the full facts of the incident."

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, did you notice how he immediately took the professor's side and used the incident as a vehicle to whine about blacks being persecuted?    ..I don't remember him vocalizing anything about Sotomayor's persecution of the white (and one Hispanic) firefighters, do you?
      I think maybe the whole exchange between him and the reporter could've be set up in advance.   At any rate, Obama is a mess, psychologically and politically.    He never stands up for his "white" heritage even though it's (supposedly) common knowledge that he's half-white.

      1. nicomp profile image60
        nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Oh, it was definitely a set-up. They didn't huddle beforehand, but the so-called 'reporter' knew full well that the question was a slow-pitch softball offering that would provide the president with a platform for his professorial pandering.

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
          Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Good for President Obama , like hes the first one not to use the media...yea right

          1. nicomp profile image60
            nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            The transparent change hope "for the children" president is just like all the other guys?

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            sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Well under normal circumstances it's his right. Under the guise of racism it's pathetic and anyone who promotes this kind of behavior is no better than a racist themselves. When a liberal pulls a stunt like this it's ok, if a conservative white man did it he'd be crucified!

            1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
              Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Like Glenn Beck ? yea right.
              Besides there is racism , anyone should call it IF they see it.

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                sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Don't let me confuse the issue but President Obama is the president of 'The United States of America', thats why we call him President Obama. Glen Beck is a conservative watch-dog that has a television/radio talk show. President Obama has the power to end life on earth. Glen Beck has the power to be a cheerleader for conservatives. I think there's a difference.

                1. nicomp profile image60
                  nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  There's no difference because it suits their agenda.

                  President ... talk show host

                  hmmm... big difference, I agree.

                  Why they are so scared of Beck is beyond me.

                2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                  Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  You wouldnt think so on Hubpages lol

        2. Harvey Stelman profile image59
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          What a bunch of ****!

      2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Lynch him ,I say .....ssheesh

      3. VENUGOPAL SIVAGNA profile image60
        VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        He is half-white...! Which half? Lower half or upper half? Right half or left half? 
        How can a man be half coloured? He is a black man born in Kenya.
        Because he is President of America, he cant become half white.

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
          Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Were you present at his birth ,if not, Im going with the experts that Pres Obama was born In Hawaii and if Im wrong

          Fact is ,Hes elected President of the United States (still) wink
          even if he looks like Barney the purple dinosaur big_smile he is still the President!

        2. tksensei profile image61
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          ?????????????????????

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          sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Where are my crayons? I can end this argument!

        4. nicomp profile image60
          nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          When a baby is born, the race of the mother is noted on the birth certificate. Do the math.

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
            Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Isnt his colour thats ever been a question ,it was/is his place of birth I believe.

            Seems odd that concept too ,since America was founded by immigrants. In essense wouldnt that mean that only Native Americans could hold office smile

  2. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    There is already a thread about this...

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      With pictures!

      1. RooBee profile image84
        RooBeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        and boners!

    2. nicomp profile image60
      nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It's just that important wink

  3. Greek One profile image80
    Greek Oneposted 7 years ago

    are you guys still into that whole democracy/freedom thing in the States?

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I have been corrected about the democracy thing.

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    pgrundyposted 7 years ago

    I only hope that someday ignorant white people will no longer be oppressed by wise Latina Supreme Court Justices, black Presidents of the US, and successful Harvard scholars of African and American Studies.

    Poor, poor white people. sad

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image59
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Nice post, that's what were heade for. What will happen when white's are the minority?

      1. Maddie Ruud profile image83
        Maddie Ruudposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That is ridiculous, Harvey.  People of color have been oppressed in this country since its founding, and still are today.  You're just so used to your white privilege you don't notice it.  Other people having equal rights is not an infringement on your own.

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah Harvey, those who were oppressed get to oppress you now!

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            The layers of meaning and missed meaning in these posts is amazing.  Some kind of mis-matched Dagwood sandwich!

  5. tksensei profile image61
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    I only hope that someday people really accept that racism (and hypocrisy) is wrong. For everyone. All the time.



    Poor, poor, humans.

    1. RooBee profile image84
      RooBeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Bad talking dog! Now, go lay down! Judged by a yard-pooper...mad

      lol

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        voicedup.composted 7 years ago in reply to this

        i don't understand why someone would refuse to identify themselves. Instead of being appreciative of the enforcement it seems Mr. Louis has a chip on his shoulder. The officer was ensuring the occupancy of the house was legitimate.

  6. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    I'm starting to hear John Lennon's Imagine...

  7. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    I think I like TK's version better, sorry Pam smile

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    iamqweenbeeposted 7 years ago

    I guess he took the professor's side because he knows the professor and knew the accusations were out of character for the professor. He also indicated in his book, his experiences with racial profiling. Put them two together and you have what he felt a bout the situation.
    1. he knows Gates does not start trouble being the man he is
    2. He knows the police does racially profile against Black/Hispanic men

    1. hubby7 profile image80
      hubby7posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      My very thoughts. I concur.

  9. spidergirl364 profile image60
    spidergirl364posted 7 years ago

    I think Obama is being stupid and ignorant for not apologizing.  He keeps saying that he thinks the police acted stupid, but to keep up his pride won't admit HE himself acted stupid.

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He actually did say that he acted stupidly....just not in English.  It was spoken in politicalese which is difficult to translate.  He made a mistake, is unlikely to do it again, and did what we're all supposed to do when we make mistakes; learned from it and moved on to other business.

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
        Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The police did act stupid.

        1. nicomp profile image60
          nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The next time someone breaks into your house, call Robert Gates. He obviously understands police procedure better than police officers do.

        2. ledefensetech profile image79
          ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          How so?  For all the cops knew there was a burglary in progress.  I'd hope the cops in my town would ask for verification were I in the same position.  They were protecting the property of that neighborhood, something that is within their legal responsibility. 

          Look at what happens when police are not thorough: 

          http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090828/ts … idnapchild

          Gates is an over-educated, elitist as well as racist.  How people can take this man seriously is beyond me.  Laws should only concern themselves with the protection of the life, liberty and property of citizens.  In this case the police just wanted to verify that the person they were talking to really was the owner.  Sooner or later the majority is going to get tired of the incessant whining of the minority and you'll really start to see racism and discrimination.  Times are tough, it's time we started hanging together rather than trying to rip each other down.  We did that once before and the late 1960's and 1970's were the result.  You think we'd learn from history.

          1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
            Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this


            Try looking in a mirror if you want to see a racist. You must be a pathetic Glenn Beck fan.

            1. nicomp profile image60
              nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Sigh.

            2. nicomp profile image60
              nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Just for clarification:
              1. do you mean that Glenn Beck is pathetic or

              2. the fan of Glenn Beck is pathetic?

              If #2, are there fans of Glenn Beck who are not pathetic?

              If #1, can a fellow be a fan of Glenn Beck and not himself be pathetic?

              1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
                Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                1. Yes
                2. Yes
                3. No, except for those like me who watch him just to see what the looney right is saying.
                4. I don't think so.

                1. ledefensetech profile image79
                  ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  It'll be interesting to see how many people agree with you, come election day.

                  1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
                    Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes it will. The GOP has a abandoned any pretense at serving the public interest and is swinging a big wrecking ball at Obama and the country.

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                  cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  http://i29.tinypic.com/2hed45e.jpg

                  actually i kind of like his style... he certainly isn't as scary as Bill O'Reilly or as overbearing as Rush Limbaugh.

            3. ledefensetech profile image79
              ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Nice to see what sort of education you get in that liberal college of yours, if that is the best you can do.  It's really kind of pathetic that people look up to you for your supposed wisdom and knowledge.

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          sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Ralph and Ron = Blinky and Bozo.

          1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
            Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Obama's mistake was a political error, not a factual error. Crowley arrested Gates in his own home after he identified himself, as I recall, with two pieces of I.D. not because he thought he was a burglar but rather because his feelings were hurt when Gates took issue with his overbearing conduct. Crowley was a typical racist Boston Irish cop.

            Sneaky, Why don't you argue about the issue instead of engaging in childish name calling? You right-wing, knuckle-dragging, nattering nabobs of neanderthalism are all alike.

            1. tksensei profile image61
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              And that is a typical ignorant emo liberal comment.

              1. nicomp profile image60
                nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Deeds is trolling you. Even a knuckle dragging public-school-educated conservative like me can see that.

                1. tksensei profile image61
                  tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  It's pretty clear. So much 'hate' and 'disrespect of my dignity and education'  roll

                  1. nicomp profile image60
                    nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I thought The Liberal Tent was big enough for everyone. I thought tolerance and kindness ruled the day. Guess not.

            2. tksensei profile image61
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Weak joke, comrade.

            3. nicomp profile image60
              nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              He was arrested in his front yard because he engaged in childish name calling. I have no doubt you didn't read the police report, but why let facts stand in the way of your opinion?

              I also have no doubt you are trolling at this point.

              1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
                Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Why do you suppose Crowley ordered Gates to come out of his house and into his front yard? Do you think it might have been in order to create a situation in which he thought he might have a more plausible basis for arresting Gates? My recollection is that the law differs somewhat depending where the alleged offense occurs, i.e., whether in "public" or in the citizen's domicile. That seems pretty clear to me. Every day perfectly innocent citizens are arrested for no reason other than not showing enough deference to a cop.

                1. nicomp profile image60
                  nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Sure! The cop planned and schemed to arrest Gates. He had nothing better to do than fill out more paperwork.

                  And the neighbor who made the initial call was in on it too.

                  And Ashton Kutcher too. The cop was punk'd.

                  I'll keep repeating it... read the police report.

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                  A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Again more BS from the resident socialist, Gates followed the Officer outside the residence continuing his "disorderly conduct" Habeus Grabass was put to him at which time he became a arrested individual!

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              sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              The last time I addressed you on an issue you said," I don't have the inclination to respond to your rant."  I addressed the issue about the racist comments made in an e-mail the black coalition made and had a white conservative coalition made the same remarks what would the outcome be? I have a tendency to be alittle sarcastic when I feel I'm being patronized. As far as the political turn of events my original feelings about our president were concern over his lack of experience. As long as you and the rest of the enlightened intellectuals don't mess with religion and the religious, our gun laws, healthcare or continue to expand abortion rights, Hey were Americans. If you and others like turn the healthcare system upside down and it doesn't work, how are you going to fix it? Ralph you may be a genious, I'm not, but I see trouble ahead. Then when you follow the book of Revelations this may be the beginning of the 'end-of-days'.

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              A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              He arrested him outside the home in what is known as "Public view" now why don;t you not lie and keep the BS to a minimum! Hmmmmmmmmmm

              1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
                Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                That's true. I misspoke. He ordered him to go outside so that he could arrest him for creating a disturbance in public which he couldn't have done inside Gates's own house. Someone with a brain in his head decided that it was a mistake to pursue the STUPID charge. If the incident had happened in Texas, Louisiana or Mississippi the police probably would have beaten a confession out of Gates with a rubber hose.

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                  A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Rubber hose? Hell boy a few hits upside the head with a phonebook will usually do the trick, and leave a lot less marks!

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                  sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Ralph, see here we go again, you assume that Mr. Gates is completely innocent. Now this is my take on humans in general, I've never seen two people have a disagrement and one party is 100% right and one 100% wrong, it doesn't happen.

                  As far as police go, you do what they tell you to, politely. Don't antagonize the police and then problems can be sorted  out reasonably. If you feel that you were handled improperly, you let your lawyer deal with it! Keep that pie hole shut!

                  Now about your disdain for Texas, we like our laws and we want them inforced. Thats one of the reasons we are way up on the economic ladder compared to the rest of the country. We work hard and we like what comes from hard work and if someone tries to ruin it, we won't standby and say that poor misunderstood person. We want them prosecuted, period.

                  We also don't like people putting their hands in our pocket. If you choose to do little or nothing, fine. We don't want to pay for you to do it.

                  If you want to debate, debate. If you start the name calling, I'll do my best to keep up. If that's where you think it's got to go, thats fine just be an adult and take the hit.

  10. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    He has apologized...they have all made up...they are going for a beer...

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      UW lol

  11. curiozities profile image61
    curiozitiesposted 7 years ago

    From what I understand the white cop is the instructor on racial profiling for his police force.  Also, there was a black cop present who said the white cop acted correctly.  It seems to me the professor had a chip on his shoulder.  You'd think he'd actually be grateful that cops came out as soon as it was reported that someone broke into his house.  I know I'd be.

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
      Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Crowley probably is teaching the Cambridge cops how to profile! He lied in his report on what he was told by the 911 caller, Lucia Whalen.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/us/30 … amp;st=cse

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That's a bit of an assumption.  There is a discrepency, not necessarily a lie.  A well respected officer, supported by colleagues of different races is unlikely to have intentionally falsified a statement.

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
          Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The police never lie..ahem

          but hey on a lighter note

          the boys are all going out for drinkies now

          Budlite for the President, and forget what the others are having..red something? ( no ,not red bull)..6am , my ears were still half asleep lol

  12. Ron Montgomery profile image59
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    Crowley missed a financial opportunity here.  He is having a Blue Moon.  He should have chosen Samuel Adams - brewed in Boston, named after a revolutionary war patriot.

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Blue moon ok yep I was close lol

  13. bgamall profile image85
    bgamallposted 7 years ago

    I agree with Maddy. I think this is a distraction from the real problems of the high frequency trading scams of Goldman Sachs. Also the government is not telling the banks what to do but is giving them billions while the consumer is on his back. Those are the issues that the censored mainstream media doesn't want to discuss. As long as we fight wiht each other the banks get away with murder.

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    pgrundyposted 7 years ago

    I agree with Ralph.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      There's a surprise!

    2. nicomp profile image60
      nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Good. Mr Gates is now responsible for 2 people.

  15. BJC profile image66
    BJCposted 7 years ago

    Easy, we have a stupid president.  Out of the mouth comes what is in our hearts.

    1. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That's when you need to see a doctor right away! wink

    2. Eaglekiwi profile image76
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Speak for yourself lol

  16. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    Well, stupid don't get that high. It's the first time I say that since Bush times big_smile

    1. VENUGOPAL SIVAGNA profile image60
      VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sometimes, it happens.  One of the Indian Kings called Md. Bin Tuqlak was more stupid. He kept changing his capital several times, giving trouble to common people and officials.

  17. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    LOL Futility in its essence :0

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      cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      haha. i thought it quite fitting for some of this forum's more 'lively' discussions big_smile

  18. Ron Montgomery profile image59
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    Very intelligent and interesting conversation.
    lol lol

  19. tksensei profile image61
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    More emo BS

  20. tksensei profile image61
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    I am not from Texas and have not yet had the pleasure of visiting (I think), but I admire the people and the spirit of that great state.

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    And all you have available to you both, too, wink

    hahahahahaa

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    But both of us, I reckon, wink, know the truth, SP.

    And what I just said is how I feel about relationships.  Absolutely.  Better to be real, smile.

    1. SweetiePie profile image84
      SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think maybe some of them could learn a thing or two from you smile.

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        They could learn a thing or two from anybody with a reasonable mind, jeez.

        You know how funny this all is, when you look at it from a little distance...  lonely ol...fill in the blank!

        wink

        1. SweetiePie profile image84
          SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That is about right.  I found a karate site with lots of bickering, which was kind of interesting lol.

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            So did many.  Plus the 19 year old thing...

            1. SweetiePie profile image84
              SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I saw the 19 year old girl profile too.

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                Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Very unique name, wink

                Hey...I think this is working!

                1. SweetiePie profile image84
                  SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I surely hope so smile.  The bickering continues on several sites, even up until today lol.

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                    Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Well, working here, I mean.  smile

                    Wow.  Like this must be the entirety of the life, then.

                2. tksensei profile image61
                  tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Careful! Don't get so excited you fall out of the tree!

  23. tksensei profile image61
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    Good for you.

  24. SweetiePie profile image84
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    The girl profile lives in Ft Worth Texas.  That is quite interesting big_smile.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      haaha.  I thought that might be about 'fantasies' of, uh, some sort.  lol

      1. SweetiePie profile image84
        SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes I definitely think it was a fantasy character with an oh so familiar name smile.

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    Did you ever see the movie with Annette Benning & Kevin Spacey...?  It's just beautiful visually....won so many academy awards.  The name escapes me for the moment.  But the neighbor, the ex-military guy, you know?

    *edit:  oh, yeah..  American Beauty!

  26. SweetiePie profile image84
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    American Beauty, yes I have seen it a few times.  Spacey's character does remind me of someone for sure wink. The military guy reminds me of someone else.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Oh!  You should tell!  (It's one of my favorites, too.)

      This is/has been fun, btw.  smile

      *edit..anyway, thread reclaimed!  Welcome one and all non-crazies.

      1. SweetiePie profile image84
        SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Spacey's character reminds me of a few of the guys who have vivid fantasy lives if you know what I mean.  The ex-military guy definitely reminds me of the guy who is anti-human rights.  However, people usually are when they feel they have something to be ashamed of in their own lives.

        This is fun for a change smile.

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, smile.  Well, Matt always says that you know they call it the GOP...Grand Old Perverts.  I'm not saying that across the board...but of the contingent.

          I understand Kevin Spacey.  Anti-human rights?  I may have missed that.  Across the Border, so to speak?

          1. SweetiePie profile image84
            SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I meant the military guy's character.  The one who talked bad about homosexuals, but then had a big secret for Kevin Spacey.

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              Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              hmmm.  Yeaaah.  But anyone here on HP fit that?  wink

              Yes...it is so weird, don't you think, that they literally kind of follow and torture people...every day, in and out.  Something must possess them.

              1. SweetiePie profile image84
                SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                One strikes me that way.  Well I think maybe at the most this person seems to have an obsession with writing mean spirited things about gays.

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                  Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Ah!  I've missed that one.  I've noticed a certain 'dislike' or doublespeaked 'dislike' of women, though. lol  Then there is this whole contingent who like to talk about guns and killing...and then roasting.  Literally!

                  I mean!  Can you imagine somebody talking to you like this in a public place...like at work for small talk?

  27. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    LOL SP -- like a moth to a flame, eh? Right back into the Politics Forum, I see big_smile.
    I must say, I did not expect to come on here and find a discussion of American Beauty! But hey, I think it's FAB!!!

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      We're having fun!  And it seems to be working, wink! lol

    2. SweetiePie profile image84
      SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      American Beauty is much more interesting than some of the other stuff they have been talking about lately smile.  Glad to see you back too!

  28. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    American Beauty is a gem. Kevin Spacey is one of my all-time fave actors. Annette Benning, too.
    Sorry I feel like I've missed out on the buildup of this thread.
    So I'll just watch and listen and maybe come up with something to contribute! MM

  29. SweetiePie profile image84
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    The real estate king was pretty amusing too smile.  They hide behind their avatars because they would not have the gumption to say these things in public.  If they did I would feel very sorry for them.

  30. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Um, Lita... this IS a public place:-).
    But no, I cannot imagine anyone at work having the chutzbah to make such silly claims and get away with them.

  31. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    I'm sorry to have to leave before I even got the hang of what you two are talking about. Hubby needs me to "help him" put sheets on the bed. He cannot even find the sheets.
    I will refrain from making a reverse sexist comment big_smile

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      haha.  That's one of my jobs in the relationship too, wink  Good night, MM...you are welcome back when you'd like to be.

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    I miss a few of these, evidently.  Who was the real estate king?

    And yeah.  I cannot imagine doing what they do for no other reason than to be nasty and be amused. I probably couldn't sleep at night.  And you are right...the truly odious all have avatars, no photos.

    1. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I reckon you'll be awake for a loooooong time then.

    2. SweetiePie profile image84
      SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The real estate king was the guy Annette Benning was having the affair with.  I just thought it was comical she referred to him that way.  One of my favorite scenes is when she and the real estate king get caught together in the drive through Kevin Spacey was working.

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Y'all were having quite the intellectual conversation or at least as deep as your shallow minds will allow

        1. SweetiePie profile image84
          SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Are you kidding? American Beauty is actually considered a pretty deep movie in some ways.  Some professors have actually used parts of it in introductory sociology classes.

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Not to mention, beautiful as a piece of art... a movie.  Just beautiful cinematography & thematically well done.

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Really? Deep? Thats great I just thought it was about a pedophile and a girl with daddy issues. That would explain your attraction.

            1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
              Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              American Beauty won the best pic Oscar for its black comedic depiction of what's wrong in River City--between husbands in dead end jobs and ambitious wives, between retired Tex-like military officers and their gay sons, boob jobs for teenage girls and so forth. Spacey and Bening nailed their roles.

            2. jiberish profile image79
              jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              smile smile smile

              1. SweetiePie profile image84
                SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You are very two faced jibbersih.  You get all smiley about rude comments people make, and then come to certain hubs pretending to be a nice as sugar.  But then on other ones you tell me I am not allowed to have my opinion.

            3. SweetiePie profile image84
              SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You know you are a very nasty man.  American Beauty is a deep movie because it looks at different sociological and psychological aspects of families behind the scenes.  I do not identify with any characters in it, but I find your comments to be misogynistic.  This is why I told people not to be upset about the things fiery says about movies because he is a nice guy, but you are just a bitter person.  The things people say in the political forum are much worse than the others, except maybe for religion, but you are the one that is going to have to live with these comments.

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                A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I think I'll be fine but I'm worried that you may be too sensitive for the real world. Its a good thing you have created this fantasy that you are wise and all knowing otherwise we may find you curled up in the fetal position sobbing

                1. SweetiePie profile image84
                  SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I have been on this site for two years and I am definitely not living in a fantasy world.  You do not even use your real picture on here and hide behind an avatar.  Maybe it is easier for you to say these ridiculously nasty things to women because of the perceived anonymity.  Honestly if you say to people they have daddy issues because they like a movie you are the one that is out of it.  It is very easy to hide behind an avatar and say these outrageous things!

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                    A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    And I know you're a woman how? Because of the picture you have up? Right, this isn't the internet where anybody can say they are a woman but actually be a man? Fantasy, its your thing!

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                    sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You don't want to see his picture! Not good! Not good! You ever heard of Medussa?

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Oh, yeah!  LOL  And even though he was a stereotype, there was still great truth in the character.  Real estate is a big business here...very glossy, shiny & salesy!  What a cheesy special guy--type "A" for shur, big_smile.

        I love that movie.

        1. SweetiePie profile image84
          SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The real estate king is very stereotypical for sure.  I just think he is a funny character in the movie honestly smile.

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            smile  He is.  What makes it funny is that some guys actually think they need to be like that.  And women think sometimes "success" is to have a guy like that.  All very cheesy/funny.  'specially the burgers. lol

  33. imadork profile image82
    imadorkposted 7 years ago

    Obama is stupid...so there!

  34. tksensei profile image61
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    Now we have the liberals fawning over Hollywood idiots. Is there any cliche that hasn't been covered yet?

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    Wooooooosh, right over their heads, as usual.  It so tickles me, smile.

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
      Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Par for the course for the dog who sniffs and sprays bushes, trees, fire hydrants and liberals.

  36. tksensei profile image61
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    More creativity comrade?

  37. Ralph Deeds profile image69
    Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago

    July 22, 2009 10:43 pm  Link

    Race clearly played a role in the Gates incident both on the part of the policeman and in Gates reaction to the situation. In my personal experience, over-reaction by police to what they perceive as insufficient deference or lack of respect toward them by citizens is not confined to white police toward minority citizens although considerably less common. Police over-react with some frequency toward whites as well when they feel they are being dissed. Over-reaction by African American policemen toward blacks and toward whites occurs also.

    I attribute police over-reaction to race, to lack police training on how to deal with all citizens with courtesy and respect without losing their temper, and failure of police department leadership to deal firmly with offenders. Inappropriate behavior toward citizens by police occurs also because as members of the law enforcement community policemen can usually do so with impunity. Also, it may be that the police work attracts more than its share of bullies.

    Chris Rock offers some humor and advice on this subject–
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

    — Ralph Deeds

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Just because the Officer arrested the bad guy doesn't mean he lost his temper! I guess you think every time a minority is arrested its because the cop lost his temper? There really are no criminals in your world except Bush and Cheny, right? By the way Ralph they're going to get away with whatever it is you think they did.

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    sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago

    Ralph! Hey look I get the neanderthal knuckle thing. Whats a "nattering nabob"?

    Ralph you don't argue with the police! It's , 'Yes sir, No sir' period. If you have a problem with the treatment you recieved you file a complaint. Thats both simple and easy but, I've heard book smart people don't have a whole lot common sense.

  39. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Wow, A Texan
    Do you have a problem with all women, or it is just ones who are smart and also young that threaten your masculinity?
    I came in trying to see where this thread is at and am really shocked at the level of your attacks on SweetiePie.
    What's up with that?

    1. SweetiePie profile image84
      SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Basically they hate me so much because I like Obama, and I am not afraid to say it.  If I wrote forum posts about how I supported Sarah Palin and liked war movies they would not even being saying half the things they say to me.

      1. blue dog profile image79
        blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        sweetie pie, they'd be drooling over you like they do over sarah pain in the...

        1. SweetiePie profile image84
          SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah one man in our community had the hots for Sarah Palin.  When McCain lost he attacked an elderly lady who said she voted for Obama.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Wow mighty Mom who said I was attacking her? Oh yeah her, did anybody happen to notice who my response was left to? Wasn't her was it? If she or you want to say stupid things then I will respond in kind if not go on about your business. Somehow I think you will want to make a party of it, so you post and I'll laugh, how bout that?

      1. SweetiePie profile image84
        SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I never said anything stupid.  You on the other, quoted me and said something very insulting.  You know I am actually very adult because I have not reported you on your over the top comments.  Fiery got reported for making comments about people in movies, and they thought that was offensive?  Obviously they do not read this forum.

        1. jiberish profile image79
          jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I have read some really nasty things, however, we still have freedom of speech, and the freedom not to come into forum. I think.

          1. SweetiePie profile image84
            SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I will continue to come in the forum.

      2. blue dog profile image79
        blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        actually, you're on the internet.  it's everybody's business,  and you're still center stage.

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hey Blue Duck, shouldn't you be at Oat Willies or some other over the hill hippie palace? Still can't believe Austin changed huh? Sucks to be you!

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Smart, young, attractive, liberal.  Their favorite kind, wink.

      And very scary...


      And SP, you seem to be on roll tonight.

      1. SweetiePie profile image84
        SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Something in me tonight just cannot stop pointing out their absurdity.

        1. blue dog profile image79
          blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          you're going to be busy for quite a while.  actually, you'll be working overtime, and that's just on their absurdity.

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I love smart,young and attractive too bad you are all just letters on a screen. The chance that you are any of the above and I will miss my chance with such strong attractive women is a chance I'm willing to take! Pfffffffffffffft

    4. girly_girl09 profile image77
      girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      My favorite phrase that I use all the time and will occasionally say right to a guy's face:

      "Wow....does that make you feel like a big, strong man?"

      I used to work in pretty much an all man's world and there are a few rotten ones anywhere. I would like to add that the BIGGEST impact you can ever have on someone is to simply ignore them. It's the best thing that you can do to frustrate anyone in this situation.

      All my friends absolutely love that phrase and it brings about hysterics every single time I use it. It's all about the delivery, too (you need to use a little pout and a sort of sad, sarcastic voice)....maybe I should make a youtube video as an example. wink

      Anyhow, I really think there needs to be a few, if not a million, studies conducted as to why people act different online, than off. It is truly interesting! I think the psychological community could greatly benefit from this research. big_smile

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Good Idea, think I'll ignore them. Thanks for the advice!

        1. blue dog profile image79
          blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          if the hubpages community could only be so fortunate.

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          GG...  This is the "base."  Hopefully, you'll know how to reel then in.  Oh, but you left politics.  wink  Not your job after all. smile

          1. SweetiePie profile image84
            SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I guess I could have ignored them, but why should I?  Honestly I ignored them the other day when they did this, and they continue to do it.  Oh well, let them have their odd fun I guess.

            1. girly_girl09 profile image77
              girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Cold turkey. big_smile That is what will make it stop.

              1. SweetiePie profile image84
                SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I could try that, but the thing is many times I do want to post here.  I will still post, but I suppose I will just have the resist the temptation to respond when they say something I find to be attacking smile.

          2. girly_girl09 profile image77
            girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Lita, I truly hope you don't think this is the base. Although, I think you might. hahaha It's more fun that way, right? smile Is it even necessary for me to say that there are crazies on every end of the spectrum? Nah, we both know that.

            I am pretty sure I've met many more conservatives than you have. (Just a little hunch...) Again, this is definitely not the base. I'm pretty sure I've worked and met with many more conservatives that you have. To say that I'd want to be associated a base like that, would be not only incorrect but perhaps an insult, too. wink

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              Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Well, GG.  I am a native Nebraskan, and my dad has turned into a Republican. smile So!  I've actually met and lived among quite a few conservatives...but then again there in the midwest, it doesn't >quite< mean the same thing, I've found.

              They are, however, whipped up by Glen Beck (all love him here writing on this thread) and sometimes Limbaugh.  They definitely appear to think they are conservatives.  But I am happy to see you don't want to claim them.  It is about time a conservative with conscience would call them what they are.  You mentioned...crazies.  Thank you.

        3. blue dog profile image79
          blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          somehow, we all knew it would be short-lived.

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I guess you can cry now Duck boy

  40. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    No, I think it's more than that. You threaten them for some reason and they have no other way to deal with it than to juvenilize you. It's irrational and pathetic, really.
    Lots of people on here support Obama and say so openly.

    Once again, a thread that could have been (or maybe was -- 200 posts ago) a debate about who was right, who was wrong in the Gates arrest has degenerated into pointless personal attacks.

    I think it's time to go find a new thread and some civil discourse. Wanna come?

    1. SweetiePie profile image84
      SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I will definitely join you there!

  41. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    A Texan.
    Do you think "Does your mommy know you are up this late?" is an appropriate thing to ask a fellow hubber?
    I think it's belittling and dismissive.
    And I don't imagine it's a question you would ask of a male.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah I think its appropriate, I'm just trying to protect the children!

  42. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Here's another example of extreme rudeness toward SweetiePie:

    "Ok whatever you say, you are a glittering jewel of colossal ignorance! Now go bother someone else!"

    Did you get that line from George Bush? It makes about as much sense as something he would say!

    1. SweetiePie profile image84
      SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks for the support MM smile.  They enjoy making those comments, but will have to live with them too.

  43. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Hi GG. Is that a new photo? It's really nice.
    Now, I realize I am putting myself at huge risk here by saying that, as someone will find something communist about it.
    But I figure it's worth the risk.
    It's a very flattering pic. MM

    1. girly_girl09 profile image77
      girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'm not sure what would be communist about that, MM. lol. Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate it!

      1. Misha profile image74
        Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I have to agree with MM. Not sure which pic I like better though, this or a previous one. Both are quite pretty. smile

        1. girly_girl09 profile image77
          girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you, Misha! big_smile

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    I just want to say to that last comment:  We do have the right to come to the forum and not be harassed.  It isn't their "right" to belittle like they do.

    And freedom of speech does not mean what you think it means.  It's a political right and was always intended to be a political right.

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    SirDentposted 7 years ago

    At least one post on this thread reported.

  46. SweetiePie profile image84
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    I grew up in one of the more conservative communities in the United States.  Everyone thinks California is very liberal, but San Bernardino and Riverside County are not.  People would say you were misguided if you voted Democratic or Independent where I lived, but they never made it personal.  I think on forums it is easier to do that.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Aeehhhh.  There are always guys around like this.  It is magnified because of the internet and the seeming anonymity.

      Many of Matt's conservative clients just love to kinda spew off color political assertions all over dinner.  I am practiced at not saying anything at all.  With some people, it seems the easiest thing to do.  These are also the types that think it is perfectly OK to tell kinda off color jokes about women, and think others will all think it is funny, etc.  I don't know quite what it is about; I usually think it something of a generational thing.

      Of course, Matt & I are exchanging glances with each other, like, Oh, My God, but I have learned to look past it and see them as people...meet on that level.  And, well, they are his clients...so 'diplomacy,' lol, is necessary.

      1. SweetiePie profile image84
        SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I have to do the same thing too at work.  I had someone ask about the Bush biographies and go on about what a hero he was, etc.  I just nodded and said, that is great smile.  Offline I do not even tell people what I think about politics unless I know they are slightly receptive.

  47. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Good attitude, SP. No reason to stay away from the forums. You have as much right to be here as anyone else.
    It's entirely possible to have forum discussions without name-calling.
    I see AT has slunk off. I will refrain from making any comments that would put me in the league of personal attack.

  48. jiberish profile image79
    jiberishposted 7 years ago

    News Flash: Ap.....Van Jones Resigns....Hummm....could all the concerned conservatives been wrong?

  49. SweetiePie profile image84
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    Gee even people within the same party have say derogatory things about each other.  It sounds like the White House felt pressured to ask him to resign because a few Republicans did not like his comments.  I am not defending what he said, but he is not the only one to do so.  Cheney has made many offensive comments, and he did not have to resign.  Yes, some of us are still concerned about the role Cheney had in office.  Even Bush stopped taking his advice during the second term because he realized voters were becoming weary of Cheney's staunch policies.  Cheney did not observe the warm spit rule of the Vice Presidency like his predecessors.

  50. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    And his forced resignation has absolutely nothing to do with his fitness for the job.
    I hope this will be the last hatchet job Obama allows in his administration.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      What was the reason, MM?  If you know?  I won't have to google, wink.

    2. nicomp profile image60
      nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hatchet job? BHO prefers to wield the hatchet.

      Attacks Wall Street CEOs.
      Attacks hedge fund managers who wouldn't capitulate to him in the Chrysler bankruptcy proceedings (turned out to be retirement fund managers, but he meant well).
      Attacks Boston police, then admits in the same breath be doesn't know all the facts.
      Attacks Republicans and accuses them of obstructing his health care 'reform' while refusing them a seat at the table.

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