I am just curious to know, if their is any hubbers that disagree with Obama and actually believe electing him was a huge mistake ? And if not, would you be open to hearing the reasons why many oppose him ? Just curious,...
For what it's worth, AIM, I don't think he's the right man for the job. Matter of fact, I didn't vote for him. That said, I was the poster child for wanting an African-American or woman in office, and was totally disheartened to see the choices we had. I do love his laid-back, "I'm just an average guy" style, but that doesn't make him a presidential candidate.
This had nothing to do with diplomacy. I meant exactly what I said, and still mean it. Only if enough people did not show up for elections to make them invalid, would the powers to be have taken a note something did not work...
Naw! come on! where's the good ole American Spirit! We don't want to ignore elections...we just need to create the ones we want! Like, for instance, we need to kick most of the ones we have now OUT! and give thorough vetting to those that want to try another round...see if they can get it right. If they don't cut it...then when try some new ones. It is us citizens that need to get smarter and the government that needs to get smaller! and less and less manipulative, and remember who is working for who! HOO-RAH !
No I am not sarcastic, I mean it all. I have been doing a lot of reading about the constitution and the original intent thereof. IT is absurd where our government has and is taking us against the original intent of the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Citizens need to wake up, stand up and speak out before it gets any further down the road and too many more people are totally lost as to the purposes of American Freedoms.
My favorite quote is : "The constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instument for the people to restrain the government" ~ Patrick Henry - American Revolutionary Soldier
It was the biggest voter turnout because: #1 The blacks were, for the most part, gonna vote for him even if he was a closet serial killer; and #2 the whites felt that they assuage their guilt from the slavery era by voting for him. What was missing was, is he really the right guy? Or is he just an intelligent, politically-savvy, well-spoken black guy?
Hmmm...makes it difficult then to see , that possibly the American people were tired of Bush n his cronies?
I think George Bush ( and my opinion is purely from media coverage of news etc) that his first term was ok ,but 2nd term messy...also Patriotism was at an all time high 2001 , which helped propped G.Bush ,least it sure looked that way Internationally. If he was my neighbor I would have liked the guy , but he seemed more of a 'yes' man ,and I Obama doesnt strike me as being that way....maybe Irohner it was the race card ( not just the blacks , but most other immigrants too,).
I held my nose and voted McCain. He wasn't my first choice--it was Mitt Romney, and then Fred Thompson, then Duncan Hunter. But one thing I will say about McCain, re the motto on his campaign bumper sticker, "Country First." No one can question his truly putting his country before himself in Vietnam, in a way few others have ever done.
I catch the Glen Beck show quite often myself however I disagreed with him when he said Ron Paul supporters were terrorists,..LOL. I also believe Obama is not only wrong, I can see him taking the U.S. down as we know it.
Joining late to this debate. Worst criticism I've seen thusfar of Obama is,"Or is he just an intelligent, politically-savvy, well-spoken black guy?" Uh -- what else does one need in a president? Intelligent. Check. Politically savvy. Check. Well spoken. Check.
I for one do not think it would be a waste of time to hear arguments against Obama. As long as they are legitimate and not ridiculous and petty like him not wearing a flag pin (which, btw, he has been doing).
I like Obama and I am a very educated voter. I do not consider myself a sheeple either. I will continue to admire the man, but if others do not that is their choice. Also, I have heard many of the propaganda against Obama, but some of it is quite slanted to one agenda. Of course some think Obama supporters are slanted to, but everyone has their own propaganda. I still believe in the two party system and voting for the best candidate out there, and for me Obama was the man. I am not drinking koolaid, simply a thoughtful person who likes Obama.
You tell me not to take your posts seriously, but have you noticed how you dissect those who do not agree with you. People will just be more convinced about what they believe as you continue to do so. One thing I would like to say is if you do not agree with me, do not read what I have to say.
I didn't tell you that. You are thinking about someone else. And how can there be an exchange of ideas if you say "if you don't agree with me don't read what I say"? Do you really want to communicate exclusively with people who already agree with you?
I do not expect anyone too. I am a Democrat for reasons because I have read widely and come to conclusion this is the best functioning party under the two party system. I admire some third party candidates of past years like Nader and Perot, but voting for any one of them is like throwing a vote away, in my mind's eye anyway. When people say they are scared of Obama that does concern me though. I think a lot of propaganda out there wants people to feel that way, and as Roosevelt said the only thing to fear is fear itself.
Howard Stern sort of irkes me though, and he is a sensationalist. I listened to his show, but I just find myself not agreeing with much he said. The only reason I am speaking here is because over the last several days I have had several people who disagree with my political stances follow me around, and try to make me feel silly for these. I shall not succumb to their tactics, but maybe I should make my own thread about how I like Obama. Of course I am sure they would have a field day with that lol.
Maybe the only thing to fear is fear itself, but that mindset doesn't always do the trick. Perhaps the Jewish people prior to the Holocaust thought, "No need to fear Hitler; the only thing to fear is fear itself?"
Truthfully, Obama scared my wife and me LONG before he was elected. And it's not because of any propaganda; it's because of his policies.
He's antigun (except for people with guns who protect him, of course--and I give them kudos for that). I'm progun.
He's for mandatory health insurance, which I adamantly oppose. (Partly because I'm pretty much against mandatory ANYTHING.)
On the other hand, I'm pro choice, so I can't disagree with him all the way around.
He doesn't scare me any more, though. I don't believe in being scared about something you can't change. As in deal with it. So what will be, will be.
I also disagree that McCain-Palin would have been a bad thing--we voted for 'em--but while We The People were obviously able to ignore color in the last election (and that's a good thing), I really doubt we were able to ignore McCain's case of lumpjaw. THAT is the thing that scared me the most about McCain.
To me the fear of Obama seems out of place. I would have been disappointed to see McCain and Palin elected, but not afraid. In the past people never said they were fearful when Clinton, Bush, or any others that were elected. I try not to live my life in fear, and it was my educated choice to vote for Obama. However, this is not a pro-Obama thread, so I probably should leave before people try to chide me for feeling this way:). I like Obama's policies, which is another reason I voted for him.
Some people who oppose Obama periodically say they are afraid of him, as if he is the alien other. Yes those who favor him have dropped in polls, but he still has a large constituency in favor of his policies. Even if his favor in the polls does drop I will continue to support him as he was my choice candidate. As far back as 2007 I already favored him over Hillary as I was listen and reading what both had to say. I am a Democrat and some people may not like that, but as I said I believe in working within the system.
Our political system may have flaws, but overall it has served us well since the inception of our country. Liberal thinking Democrats are looking to improve things such as attempting to pass universal health care, which is something I have supported since it was talked about back in 1993. I pretty much have thought about these things since 1992 when I was only fourteen and not old enough to vote, but I really wanted to. Maybe I should try to get a job in Washington lol. I am probably too old for that at this point.
No I have not been drinking the Koolaid, and people who throw that expression out just to use it are sort of not sensitive towards others. I like Obama's policies and I am a life long Democrat. I thought Clinton was a great president and I continued to support him even after the Monica thing because of his policies, and not because of what he did in his sex life. I am not very fickle when it comes to my political leanings, and some people are just less certain about what they stand for.
Also, people saying we should be against Obama actually make me more the opposite. When people tell me I should feel differently I usually am more convinced of my stance.
I really do not feel like answering it because it is provocative. However, if you want to answer this question go ahead: will you ever stop trying to change my political views or question me in general? I know you have a problem with me, but if you stop reading what I have to say you might be able to discuss your dislike of Obama with several others on the thread. Quite a few here share your opinions, so you should go respond to their posts.
You seem to have a 'unique' attitude toward communication. It's unfortunate. I don't "have a problem" with you personally, but I find your hypersensitivity and disinclination to discuss divergent points of view counter productive. But, whatever floats your boat I guess.
Less picking at those who do not follow your world view would do wonders. I do read what others have to say, but when people need to quote me and prove how wrong I am I begin to tune them out. One person was even quoting me to prove how wrong I was several days after I left a forum, and I do not consider that a conversation. That is just wanting to have the last word.
Reading and responding to what others say sure sounds like conversation to me. Simply making declarations and demanding that they be accepted whole cloth with no reaction or analysis lest you feel 'attacked' or 'offended' is not condusive to discussion. This attitude precludes the opportunity to see what others think and to clarify your own positions; positive benefits of 'discussion' versus 'declaration.'
Even Army Infantry Girl who does not agree with me has done so in a positive and productive way. I never declare anything or force people to accept my opinions, simply share what I believe. On the other hand tk your quoting people is too assertive, for a few anyway, and you have lost a few people that would discuss things with you. I am actually one of the people that did not agree with you that has stuck around because I realized this is just your style. If I were as hypersensitive as you think I am I would simply not post at all.
Conservative Republicans want to improve things according to their agenda, which I have never supported. At least I am being honest about my opinions. I must say you should go dissect the posts of those that follow your line of thinking more. By the way, you butchered my quote because I said Liberal Democrats are in support of improving things such as health care. Quoting is overrated. Respecting divergent opinions would really be cool, on your part.
How can you tell them apart? All they really want to do is run for reelection. Obama is proving to be just another politician, just as many of us knew him to be! Witness the recent attack on the police.
Obama spent almost 2 trillion dollars his first 100 days in office. He rushed through the first stimulus package so the senators had no time to read it. He has lied about the healthcare bill not funding abortions - it will use tax dollars. He is friends with ACORN etc. He tells the world he is sorry. The list could go on.
Please don't anyone respond with any comments saying the stimulus bill had to come about because of Bush. It is a proven fact approximately ten years ago the banks were coerced into loaning money to people to purchase homes who couldn't afford them. Bush had a democratic controlled congress the last two years and they wouldn't have agreed with him if their life depended on it, so you cannot in good conscience blame him.
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