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Sarah Palin and the Mainstream Media.

  1. BJC profile image68
    BJCposted 7 years ago

    Why are some people afraid of Sarah Palin??  For sure she doesn't flow with the media and is definitly going upstream.  Could be that some folks are concerned because she has the gonads to speak truth and the far left are aware that she could create some problems?  Lets face it, when we don't like someone or what they're saying it's human nature to make fun of that person. 
    So, once more, I'd like to know why some people make fun of her and write the diatribe they do about her.

  2. SweetiePie profile image83
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    I do not agree with people making fun of her, but she is a politician and receives the same scrutiny that many others do.  So do you agree with the lies people tell about Obama?  I am just curious because some people were upset about the Sarah Palin divorce rumors, but still imply that Obama is not a natural born citizen.  It goes both ways when it comes to the truth.  I actually do not like a politicians when I do not agree with their policies, not because of their personal life.

    1. nicomp profile image59
      nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Classic straw man argument

      1. SweetiePie profile image83
        SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Classic bully argument wink.  Interesting how out of all the posters you decided to respond to me.

        1. tksensei profile image60
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Because you are a woman, right? Go ahead, tell everyone how smart you are.

  3. BJC profile image68
    BJCposted 7 years ago

    How do we know what is said about Obama are lies? 

    I agree that a politician's private life does effect how they perform their job.  Obama has in fact lied - he said he would not rush through bills, reduce spending - especially pork spending - these are just two of his lies.

    You still didn't answer the question.

    1. SweetiePie profile image83
      SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I did answer the question smile.  Palin lies, Obama lies, McCain lies, every human on earth has lied, and politicians just happen to have to be more accountable for these.  Personally that is why I choose not to be a politician.  Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, and that is a fact.

      1. Davinagirl3 profile image60
        Davinagirl3posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Good answer.  I think it is funny to think that lies are being told about Palin, but not Obama.  I think it is laughable that there are so many people out there who really believe that one side is right and the other is wrong.  It is really juvenile.  I think you answered the question admirably!

  4. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    The people most afraid of Palin are the GOP leadership.  She may well be the final nail in their coffin.  She could get enough votes from Right-Wing extremists to win the 2012 pres nomination, but would get 0 votes from moderates which guarantees Obama in a landslide.

    1. BrianFanslau profile image61
      BrianFanslauposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I don't see this as a possibility. Not to go head to head with you here. But Obama will not be up for Re-election at the rate he is going. The polls already show that only 35% of the nation agrees with what he is doing and his outlandish spending.

      I personally do not see either a GOP or a Dem being elected for president next Rodeo.

      I'm not sure who are what party will at this point but I have a feeling the "Right Wing Extremists" (The average American) or (Mobster-as Obama calls them) will win out and we may see the government actually shrink next time.

      1. EYEAM4ANARCHY profile image93
        EYEAM4ANARCHYposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That's two things that have zero chance of happening.

  5. BJC profile image68
    BJCposted 7 years ago

    Great response!  Think you may be on to something here.

  6. BJC profile image68
    BJCposted 7 years ago

    Really, were you there?  Why did his cohorts wait an extended time before producing a birth certificate?  Sorry, too many unanswered questions.

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I actually did meet someone yesterday born in the same hospital as Obama, 2 years earlier.  Has nothing to do with anything.  He'll be president for 7 1/2 more years.

      1. BJC profile image68
        BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I seriously doubt that - BUT - he will change and realize he's screwing up this country.

        Now, about Palin....

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Have you any idea how very un-serious this accusation is?  Do you know that there is a website for these 'birthers' and a number of spin off websites satirizing them?

      Sorry, it's a little crazy.

  7. BJC profile image68
    BJCposted 7 years ago

    The mainstream media gave Obama a free ride and attacked Mcain and Palin for everything.  Some people view Obama as a god - he's not.

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      A lot of people here think God is God.  He isn't either.

    2. SweetiePie profile image83
      SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Some people view Palin as a goddess.  One man I knew was very obsessed with Palin and started printing about fifty pictures of her a day.  Some people might think Obama is a God, but I am not one of them.  To get a passport, to run for office, and all of these other things you have to show your birth certificate.  Of course there are a lot of conspiracy theories out there, and the birth certificate one is one of the most ridiculous.  I really enjoy Bill Maher's take on it:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4apBc87h … p;index=96

  8. SweetiePie profile image83
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    What about Palin?

  9. BJC profile image68
    BJCposted 7 years ago

    Why do people say the things they do about her?

    She embodies what America has for women, a career, a family, she's smart, and she has courage to speak out against the media.

    How often does the media write negative reports on Obama?

  10. SweetiePie profile image83
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    Fox News, and several local Texas based websites run a few critical stories about Obama.

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    We are 'afraid' because she is the poster girl or the representation of a kind of rightist (some would say fascist), Christianist, not well-educated, power reaching, vapid nut cases we fear most.

    Let me draw attention to her record:  She wanted books banned based on her own Christianist ideas as a matter of past record, she does not understand the complexity of laws and moral/ethical responsibilities as a politician should, as witnessed by the multiple ethics charges against her (Housegate, Troopergate...and many others), she NEVER had the requisite political, foreign or national knowledge to hold one of the highest offices in the land as witnessed by many in her pre-election interviews, her "family values" platform is highly, highly stressed by the hypocrisy of her own life example (family members which she repeatedly drug before the media), she all but incited violence among her supporters egging on the connection between Obama's middle name and the fact some crazies would tie him to terrorists, she prayed over 'witches' in her place of worship...

    I could go on and on and on.

    One thing I am urging is that intelligent liberals, moderates, and conservatives--and people of all stripes please call the crazies out for what they are.  And stop tolerating them in a sense of fair play, political correctness, decency, or otherwise.

    A nut is a nut, no matter what their shade of lipstick.  I believe certain groups have been stirred up enough with the health care misinformation out there, just plain old racism, and the economic troubles, that it could result in violence if we are not careful.  This should not happen in America, which is why I am posting this message.

    1. tksensei profile image60
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ya don't say...

  12. BJC profile image68
    BJCposted 7 years ago

    What about ABC, CBS, and the newspapers?

  13. world of the wise profile image25
    world of the wiseposted 7 years ago

    is it true Obama is a freemason?

  14. BJC profile image68
    BJCposted 7 years ago

    Does he even know?

    1. world of the wise profile image25
      world of the wiseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      But i wonder how Americans came to trust that guy, I wish Sarah was an African, we would have made her our presdo

  15. BJC profile image68
    BJCposted 7 years ago

    Actually, the majority of American people don't trust him.  He didn't win by a landslide.  From the 28 states Obama won, 25 are in the NorthEastern region that includes the Great Lakes and some of the West Coast.  He won 19 states by a margin of victory by a margin of over 10 percent.  He lost 15 states by a margin of over 10 percent.  His losses were not small.

    check out the election results at http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Does America trust anyone anymore?

  16. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    I am trying to avoid the political forums, can we please keep these arguments there...

  17. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    I didn't even look at the category.  It is badly misplaced.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Me either.  oops.

      Newbie, evidently.

  18. BJC profile image68
    BJCposted 7 years ago

    Evidently!  However, you responded.

  19. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Just what we need, another rude newbie smile

  20. BJC profile image68
    BJCposted 7 years ago

    Don't think more highly of yourself than you ought.  Remember where you came from.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Um.  She comes from Canada, I believe, just to clear that up.

      And my response wasn't to elicit a response such as yours...  Just an apology to those who didn't like it that we posted here.  Also to point out you are new, so you probably didn't know. 

      But sure, make this personal.  Obviously if you didn't imagine some 'personal' connection to Palin, you may actually read about the issues instead of wanting to force certain, uh, values some (most!) Americans do not share (Oh, let's throw out that separation of church and state thing, for one, perhaps?)on the rest of the country.

      1. BJC profile image68
        BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The constitution reads: 

          "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereo....."     

        In other words, the government cannot tell people they when, where, or how they can pracice their faith.

  21. girly_girl09 profile image76
    girly_girl09posted 7 years ago

    Oh my.....this is really getting entertaining for me. wink

    I know a ton of political operatives (myself included) that sit back, snicker and shake their heads at the way the left and mainstream media are coming out against Palin. Not because I find the personal attacks funny (obviously, I find them immature and ridiculous), but it is honestly laughable at the way people are becoming so threatened by Palin.

    The last person that I felt incredibly threatened by was someone that I just ignored and let self-implode. Sure enough, he did. I didn't try to discredit him and throw him under the bus. I didn't spread rumors about him, he showed his true colors through his actions which I didn't have to lie about or exaggerate. See what I'm getting at? If I would've been constantly outlining and exaggerating his behavior to my co-workers, I eventually would've become viewed as a very spiteful person. No one wants that, but I think the left is well on their way there.

    I'm not saying that Palin will self implode (I know there are those that really want her to and revel in her shortfalls - thank god people don't do that to you and me!), but the thing to remember is that a group, organization or person can only discredit someone so much before they start being viewed by as completely negative and downright nasty. If Palin implodes, she implodes, no one person or group is going to expedite that. If she truly is that evil and awful of a person, let it come out; things always do.

    And, you never know, Palin may view the left's hatred and spite as notice that they actually believe that she can win the Presidency. Maybe she is just being egged on. wink

    1. SweetiePie profile image83
      SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Whereas I think some people revel in the prospect of Palin self-imploding, I am also seeing people doing the same thing with Obama.  To me this is a two way street.  Palin has even made what I would consider to be some questionable comments about Obama and his "death squad," and other people that really do not deserve the ridicule.  As I said I have nothing against her personally, but it would be nice to see her practice what she preaches.  I see people on both sides of the spectrum full of hate at the moment, and the forums seem to be a manifestation of that.

      1. girly_girl09 profile image76
        girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It certainly does happen with both sides, but the mainstream media is definitely hung up on attacking Palin. I also tend to find that the Obama attacks are done more so on his policy, rather than his family and personal life. I've never heard anything negative about his children and I hope I never do. Family should be off limits. People criticize Palin and her children being out on the campaign trail, but I don't hear any one saying anything about the Obama children and how they were frequently in bandstands and on the trail with their dad. I greatly dislike the combination of children and politics. The problem is a lot of young political operatives are single guys who are incredibly persistent upon children being included on the campaign trail. (This goes for both sides).

        Also, yes there are rumors about President Obama's birth certificate (complete ridiculous obviously) but there was tons of controversy about McCain and his true nationality, too as he was born on a base in the Panama Canal. Both were completely ridiculous and unfounded. It does happen on both sides. But, back to the title of the thread, it is quite clear that the mainstream media is having a field day of negativity. Will they do this to President Obama? Time will tell, but I'd be quite surprised.

        1. kerryg profile image87
          kerrygposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I think that's the price Republicans pay for being so focused on "family values." On the one hand, their base loves it and they get reelected more easily as long as they stay clean (or at least don't get caught), but they're also placed under much harsher scrutiny, and are much more likely to go down in flames if they DO do something contrary to their family values image.

          In the case of the Obamas also, I've seen some very harsh words tossed around about Michelle, but his girls have been protected against such attacks partly because they're so young that they haven't done anything shocking. You never saw much criticism of Bush's daughters either, and I think it was probably because, aside from that one underage drinking incident, they kept their heads down pretty well. Unfortunately for her, Bristol Palin didn't in a particularly... visible way, and once again it was something that went directly contrary to her mother's image as a supporter of family values and abstinence-only sex education.

          1. tksensei profile image60
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Are you kidding?!

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      OK.  lol  This is the first time I've EVER used this phrase in such a way...and I got it from another, lol, political type used against me at one point...  Who may still be around, lurking (I don't know), I know a couple things are being read, wink

      GG, I'm sorry, but this is just a lot of verbiage strung together.

      From the beginning of the political season, and because I have a journalism degree, and was working at a newspaper at the time, and because the whole Palin scenario has carried a special interest for me, I have been researching her...paying attention to really every thing (until recently, although again with the far right almost coming to blows), and all the investigations against her, etc.  I'd wager I have read and researched her probably much more than anyone here on Hubpages, ie, and probably should write a hub on why she is such an icon and a divisive figure...because I do find it quite interesting.

      I'd also like to say I watched every debate with all candidates, and all her interviews.  I have a good news sense, I like to believe, and know how to judge sources, their biases, etc.  Blogs and the internet have actually come quite up in the world as far as valid sources of information--of course the old critical analysis still comes in to play as far as understanding what is biased/just completely baseless/and-or reliable information.

      And it truly isn't so simple--just waiting for Palin to implode and please, let's just not be 'nasty.'  You misjudge the role and benefit to society that the press (indeed all writers and a full public discourse) makes.  Frankly, Palin imploded eons ago, but some people (usually information poor types...that is an actual definition in political science, as I'm sure you know...and which seem to account for the majority of Americans these days, and frankly, IMHO, most here at Hubpages).

      Another obvious fact to anyone who has looked outside recently:  You are aware that controversy sells lotsa stuff, right?  Like newspapers!  And blogs with adsense ads!  And Sarah Palin!

      I'm saying look behind, around, through and up and under things, folks...then make a decision.  And if you can't, won't or don't have time, or a true interest, please don't be chiding those of us who do.

      1. tksensei profile image60
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        ......................... roll

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You are just silly, TK.  jeesuz.  No.  I work as a ditch digger/factory worker.....bleeeh. wink

          Actually, that's not far from the truth...I've done many things and I come from the working class.  Check profile

          So stop your simplistic profiling, crazy!  I'm calling you out. 

          Your 'elitism' (though I wouldn't call it that...but maybe it is all you can understand...is inferred through your obvious need to pick at every single person on every post as if you were God, OH Teacher of wisdom, or the FSM or something.

      2. girly_girl09 profile image76
        girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        If you want to critique my writing, then that's fine. If my "verbiage" somehow lessens my opinion and personal experiences, then so be it. I'm not sure how else I'd be able to write a post to cover my views if I didn't use as many words.

        I agree that the press has a large burden to carry on their shoulders and with that burden comes great power. I'm not saying for them to stop doing research and stop presenting the facts. With the rise of blogs and other sources online, there are many rumors that spread very quickly. There is no denying that. Many rumors are downright nasty and started with nefarious intention by politicos who know darn right what they're doing. In this day and age, almost every news source out there is bias. You may agree or disagree, but I know what I have seen.

        The fact of the matter is that we all have different life experiences and knowledge in different areas. I'm not a journalist, but I've seen up close and personal the workings of the mainstream media throughout my political work. I was sharing my viewpoint from that angle. It doesn't have to be agreed with, I just felt like posting it. It's probably viewed as a bias angle, too. That's o.k. Again, I still believe that debating politics online is completely pointless because of my sentiments above (we all have different life experiences and knowledge in different areas).

        1. Misha profile image74
          Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It can generate a lot of drama though smile

          1. girly_girl09 profile image76
            girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            That is for sure. There is unfortunately plenty of that in the real world; entering into it on online really isn't my thing! big_smile

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          GG-  I disagree with the idea that debating ANYWHERE has no point.  I learn much from the people who take the time to formulate intelligent posts...and even from those who do not, wink (obviously not you.)

          Disagreeing (as I'm sure you probably know) does not always equal disrespect.  In fact, often times I very much respect those I choose to address here online, in life, etc., etc.  This is just another medium; its still the same old human communication thing going on--though, yes, I'd wager some are still better in that aspect of experiences and proficiencies than others.

          And yes.  It is true that almost every news source out their is biased in one form or another.  That is why it is important to understand that, read across the board, and employ critical thinking skills.  The same thing one does when being paid to write a paper or a book (but I won't talk about that, for fear of coming across as elitist, lol, wink).  One does indeed need to be able to decipher what is crap, rumor, intimation, and what is a valid source....  And actually, in a very un-elitist like fashion, I would like to believe this is something that can be taught in college...maybe in journalism school, maybe in other disciplines.  But maybe also it takes inclination, time and effort....AND natural ability.

          Some here spew.  And that's all they are doing.  Some troll.  Some are looking for something 'just like them' in Mrs. Palin and think it that is enough for decent governance (which I would actually posit is the worst kind of elitism/egoism of all). Some, IMHO, are looking at things on a very surface level...

          I hold out, however, even in this day and age, even with the cynicism towards bias, that something approaching the 'truth' or the real story, a la Walter Kronkite (who I thought had an amazing life and career); some universals do exist in a world gone all post-modern relativist. 

          How anyone can write anything worthwhile...whether that be a post, press release copy, a hub, an essay or a book...and NOT believe that is beyond me.  For I believe that a good interpretation of an event, a history, or a life CAN be formulated...something approaching truth...if that is what an author/researcher is after.  And spin is just spin.

          1. tksensei profile image60
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Still missing the point I see...

  22. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    Your da gurl, girly! smile

    1. girly_girl09 profile image76
      girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Why thank you, Misha. big_smile I have a feeling that not everyone around here will have a sentiment similar to yours. hahaha But that's o.k., it's what makes the world go 'round. big_smile

  23. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    The original question was why are some people so afraid of Sarah Palin?
    I will tell you why I am afraid of her.
    Whatever technical qualifications she does or does not have to run for office beyond the state of Alaska, what concerns me about her is ruthless ambition.
    She showed it during the last campaign. She made comments about rewriting the job description of the VP to give "her" more power.
    I feel she exploited her children for her own benefit during the campaign.
    I do not in any way agree with her politics, but that doesn't make me afraid. What makes me afraid is that because of her package (packaging) she attracts attention that I am certain she would not, except for her looks.

    I agree that the best thing that could happen is to stop feeding the media frenzy around her. Without oxygen, flames burn themselves out.

    1. girly_girl09 profile image76
      girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks for your response, Mighty Mom...I am truly fascinated by this and appreciate everyone's input. Maybe it's because I know a million political consultants and operatives, but I just don't see her packaging being enough. Nearly enough. If she was a member of the democratic party (far stretch, right? lol but let's just say theoretically), I wouldn't feel threatened because of her packaging. I think American voters look to more than just that. I certainly hope so. I know that some poor losers are like "oh, people only voted for Obama just because he is so charismatic". I don't think that's true, I never did. The majority of voters really did want change and the Obama campaign did a better job at portraying that. Fair enough. See? I'm a good sport (and a realist) wink

      But, just to play devil's advocate here, I am certain that all politicians have ruthless ambition. You don't get very far (certainly not to the highest political position in the nation) unless you do. I know that President Obama has ruthless ambition. Just ask Hilary Clinton. I have heard many interesting things straight from a few of her former presidential primary campaign advisors in a confidential setting about some of the campaign strategies of Team Obama. They were in it to win it; and speaking as a former campaign operative, I understand that.

      But, at the end of the day, I'm sure you need more than ruthless ambition to win the presidency, it's an ingredient, certainly, but not the main contributing factor. At least I would hope not.

      In addition to all of this, I do not view Palin as a front runner for any presidential election over the next 8 years. I just don't see it. I have my reasons why but I would rather not get into them online. They have nothing to do with dirt on her or anything like that, rather the way that certain things operate in the political world.

      I've g2g some sleep, but I am seriously enjoying this respectful, friendly, stimulating political conversation on HubPages! smile (This just might be a first lol)

  24. SweetiePie profile image83
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    As of recently I see people spreading quite a bit of venom about Obama also.  He has been called a Communist, which harkens back to McCartyism.  Some right wing bloggers have implied that he has terrorist associations, and have exaggerated his association with Ayers.  I have received emails from people that believe Obama to be a Muslim, and the implication is that Islam is the deepest and darkest religion in the universe.  Yes it does have it dark side, like all religions, but the irony is Obama is not even a Muslim.  People are reading these stories somewhere, and it turns out the blogosphere has quite a bit clout when it comes to spreading these accusations.  The weirdest of all of the accusations is that Obama actually wants to his health care reform to depopulate the planet, and yes many blogs are spreading these rumors as truth:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=Obama%20 … amp;tab=nw

    Fox news is a mainstream media outlet, and many of these stories are actually biased in favor of conservatives.  For instance, one poster shared a Fox clip where they interviewed UK parliament member Daniel Hannan, who happens to be dead set against nationalized health care.  His perspectives do not represent the majority of UK residents, so to me that was a misrepresentation on the part of Fox.

    On a frequent basis Fox will interview conservative pundits, but they have banned liberal commentators such as Bill Maher.  On the other hand other mainstream media outlets continue to interview people from all perspectives, so CNN and BBC are far more objective than say Fox News.  However, I do see both sides as having journalism and news outlets that support their agendas.

    1. girly_girl09 profile image76
      girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I am definitely aware that Fox News is a bias network. Absolutely. big_smile MSNBC is equal, in my opinion. But, Fox News is just one news source. I don't have the list anymore, but the list of mainstream media sources that tend to support liberal viewpoints (or whatever you want to call it...I hate using liberal/conservative in a comparison and contrast like this) is MUCH larger than the conservative media. I think Fox seems so big, just because it's one of the only conservative sources out there and more people collectively watch it, rather then spreading their viewership over many different networks and publications.

      I prefer reading my stuff right from the AP or Reuters. I occasionally watch Fox News, but usually to watch interviews with people that I have worked with or am interested in their opinion. The "FOX NEWS ALERTS!" annoy the hell out of me. lol

      As for the blogosphere, I stay away from that completely. There are many crazies on each end of the spectrum and I think they eventually end up sounding like one another to tell you the truth. lol President Bush has been called all of those things that you mentioned about Obama over the last 8 years. It's just the way people in cyberspace like to write, I guess. Controversy means more views, and more views typically equals more earnings! (True for any news source)

    2. tksensei profile image60
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Was he presented specifically as representative of the sentiments of the majority of UK residents?

    3. tksensei profile image60
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And it's just a coincidence that CNN and the BBC are biased in favor of YOUR political point of view. Funny how that works.

  25. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    GG -- Don't go! If you leave now we run the risk of devolving into sandbox drama and name calling.
    The good news is, there still are hubbers who wish to engage in respectful debate.
    I know for myself, I am here to learn. I find that keeping an open mind and being open to really hearing how other people see things and understand issues helps me.

    No doubt about it. Obama was brilliantly packaged and ran a tighter campaign than Hillary. That's how he got the Dem nod over her. But the mood of the country was such that (IMHO) the Dems could have put up anybody and still won. The vote was as much a rejection of the Bush years as it was an embracing of Obama himself. That's how I see it, anyway.
    Well, good night if you MUST. But I expect to see you back here tomorrow night or soon to keep the debate going. Peace. MM

    1. girly_girl09 profile image76
      girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol I thought I'd respond to SweetiePie's post before I went to bed. Now, I see another one! Ahhhhh, they keep coming lol. I will definitely return tomorrow to see where the forum has gone (hopefully not in a negative direction wink Goodnight!!

  26. EfusjonSeattle profile image59
    EfusjonSeattleposted 7 years ago

    People arent afraid of her...how could you be? She is probably the dumbest politician out there.

    Who would even vote for somebody who graduated from the university of Idaho with a communication degree? Haha shouldnt you at least have a degree in political science and go to law school?

    Shame on you Alaska! haha

    1. tksensei profile image60
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Here we see elitism is alive and well, unfortunately.

  27. SweetiePie profile image83
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    I always appreciate your posts girly_girl smile.  Thanks for always being fair and objective.  I do not mean the throw the blogosphere out there, but lately I have been receiving emails from people who think it is the real media.

    1. girly_girl09 profile image76
      girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That is the problem, exactly. So many people read something on a blog and it spreads like wild fire. People don't check their sources or facts anymore and if they do, they use a slanted blog to do so! It makes for a very frustrating dilemma, that is for sure.

      I have some friends who have done extensive research on a few blogs and their ties to addresses on K Street in Washington, D.C. There are blogs out there made to look like personal blogs of sorts that are actually written by PACs (or indirectly written) or by political operatives that have agendas. Unfortunately, the blogosphere has become insanely dirty, and of course I mean politically. The rumors spread so fast, it is absolutely mind-blowing. I stay away from political blogs all together other than the ones a few former colleagues and friends operate.

      Anyways, I MUST get some sleep. big_smile Goodnight! (I shouldn't of had that latte at 11pm!)

      1. Will Apse profile image90
        Will Apseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Completely unreliable, unaccountable blogs are also killing real media. A reputable newspaper has trained journalists who produce articles based on interviews and research not simply rehashed opinions (often created to serve political masters as you mention above).

        1. tksensei profile image60
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          LOL, read the major newspapers lately? In any case, how would you hold blogs 'accountable'?

  28. BJC profile image68
    BJCposted 7 years ago

    I have enjoyed the debate here and the differing of opinions!  Now that is what the USA is about.

    Now, I'm going to ZUMBA.

  29. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    LOL I may be elitist too Lita, but i too am kind of puzzled with you sticking your journalistic credentials in every other thread. Considering the current pity state of American journalism, it is rather negative credential in my eyes. smile

    1. tksensei profile image60
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Could it be the same thing that motivates some folks to insist, "I'm smart! I can read! I went to college!" over and over and over again? It sure seems to indicate deep insecurity to me. I could be wrong, but it is a conspicuous defense mechanism of some sort.

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Read last post, Joker!

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Don't have much time...gotta run off to a job, lol.  Maybe ditch digging, oh, I dunnnnno...

      I truly am not.  However, if GG, at 22 can claim political credentials, and my other post did not seem satisfactory--and as anyone really looking and not looking for possible 'elitism' can see--I did go into the story of why I might be 'qualified' to speak about Palin as I have.  It wasn't just a trouncing out of degrees...if I wanted to do that, I have more 'sparkling' credentials to display than a simple B.A.

      My interest now, lol, is more in why certain men seem to really want to press that 'elitism' button onto certain women on these forums, especially when they are not being addressed in any manner.  It interests me, wink.  Maybe I should write about that, too.

      1. tksensei profile image60
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Ah, so it's sexism! That one gets hauled out pretty often as well. "How dare you MEN talk to ME that way!" roll

        I thought we had reached a point where men and women could be treated equally. I would like to think that I have enough respect for grown women not to treat them with kid gloves as if they were children who needed to be 'protected' from frank discussion.

      2. Misha profile image74
        Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Are you trying to out-degree her? Does not make any sense to me, I really can't care less about her or your degrees, I do read what you actually write, and I think most people here don't really give a rat's ass for one or two or three MBAs, and for BA too for that matter - it is not really why we respect anybody here. smile

        And yes, I have an MBA equivalent in engineering, and my wife has MBA in finance - so what? Fiery has bigger penis! lol

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Speak for yourself. yikes

      3. SweetiePie profile image83
        SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You have never came across as elitist to me Lita smile.  Not sure how being well informed and having a passion for a subject is being elitist.  To be honest I feel like I even have to censor myself from time to time because of the certain tirades that begin when I make a comment.

        1. Misha profile image74
          Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Actually I thought this was TK who has been called elitist wink

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
            Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Never

            1. SweetiePie profile image83
              SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Well if he was called elitist I did not see that.  Also, he does have a tendency to follow people around and chide them for saying things he does not agree with.  Patience can wear thin when someone is always that incessant.

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    I think it is all a little more complex than that, guys.  And I'm not the ONLY woman here who has noted it, either, wink.

    Again.  You were not being addressed.  I was engaging someone else, GG (who I would say I have a respect for, yes), not you ALL.

    Actions are always interesting indicators of things, as well as words.

    wink  Gotta go.

  31. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    It's a public forum Lita. If you want a conversation to stay private, you better use email. smile

  32. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Good morning, hubbers! It's a brand new day and I'm happily sipping Pete's Italian Roast. I know that probably makes ME elitist!
    So if I can try to summarize where we stand on this thread: It's perceived to be better to read up on people and issues before opening one's mouth. However, the sources one uses to research are suspect, as they are either biased right (Fox), biased left (apparently the rest of the media world) or unsustantiatable (blogosphere).

    Having formal training in journalism does not make someone's opinion any more valid because again, all the research sources are biased and thus nullified.

    So does that mean that everyone's opinion on political (or other issues) is equal? If I say I don't like Palin because she winks, is that the same as Lita saying she doesn't like Palin because she is under investigation for improprieties while in office?

    Just trying to figure out what the current discussion point is here so I can make an "educated" (oops -- sorry for being elitist) decision about participating.

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Drinking Peet's coffee (best in the world) does not make you elitist. Misspelling the brand name even gives you a touch of blue collarness. smile

    2. Misha profile image74
      Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Good morning to you. smile
      I think you forgot to mention that Ron's penis is bigger than Fiery's. Other then that, I agree to your summation. smile

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks for the confirmation.

  33. SweetiePie profile image83
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    This is what I have seen, and I will probably be lambasted for it.  A few women in the political forums, myself included, have been been recipients of unwarranted insults simply stating opinions that do not fall in line with a certain points of view.  Interestingly the same people throwing around the term elitist might note no one is doing that towards them.  Yes politics can be a nasty ground of political discontent, but the simple truth is girly_girl has been accorded more respect by certain gentlemen because her politics are inline with theirs. I really enjoy her posts and what she has to say, so I can see why so many people like her smile.

    Girly_girl is tremendously respectful, but Lita is also.  Certain people on this thread have attributed things I said to Lita because they are irritated with me.  I may have said things people do not like, but other are free to speak their minds without being lambasted.

    1. tksensei profile image60
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So maybe the differences of opinion that you have taken as meany-meany disrespect against a woman are just differences of opinion and not related to gender? Maybe? Yes, yes, I know your dignity has been assaulted by the terrible hatred of reading my comments.  roll

      1. SweetiePie profile image83
        SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well here is the thing, I do not see men who posit opinions different that yours being questioned as much.  Also, the truth is you have questioned primarily women, and it is not always in the nicest way.  You can imply that I am being very sensitive about this issue, but I only posted here again because I saw things I said were attributed to Lita.  If maybe, just maybe, you were not so incessant in questioning people this impression would go away.  As of now I really do not care because I think you are aware of what you and others have done.

  34. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    What did I walk in on? Oops

    <--- apologizes and closes door

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Apparently the boys only (unless you're a conservative female) club according to some.

      The usual thin skinned whiners club according to others.

      Comparisons of penile girth and coffee brands according to me.

      1. Colebabie profile image61
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well damn, I don't fit into any of those categories... guess I'll be on my merry way!

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You don't drink coffee? wink

          1. Colebabie profile image61
            Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            No, sorry. I know... crazy! I've made it through 4 years of college without coffee smile

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
              Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Could've done it in 3 with.

              1. Colebabie profile image61
                Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Science major, and a transfer student. No, not really. smile

  35. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Hi SP,
    If people are confusing you and Lita that is a sign they are not reading your posts carefully. Although you often share similar (not identical) viewpoints, your writing styles are very, very different. I totally agree with you about GG's being accorded a wider berth by some male hubbers because of her more conservative bent.
    If I may state what I see, you make valid points AND you usually try to bridge or find common ground. Lita makes valid points and defends them vehemently (because all too often she gets attacked personally). The point is, you both make VALID POINTS.
    Then we have our male hubbers with various viewpoints.
    Ron M - LOL, you are a love. But I'm afraid the biggest penis comments will only work if there are other males on the thread.
    Nice try, but no cigar (pun intended). MM

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi, MM-

      If I may speak to this post and previous ones (home from work a little early, feel I gotta do this before I start out on the copy I've taken home)...and to respond to you, as what I'm saying might start something up again--AND I know you will get it--

      Yes, I do feel that sometimes one's experience and qualifications are of import in discussing certain issues--especially, I don't know, in threads concerning the media (?)  And that I realized by reading the posts that most were just discussing Palin (except GG, who has prof. experience regarding her) in a general way.  I realized my interest and study of her probably wasn't general, hence the mention of journalism, etc., etc.

      Some here approach life, I feel, and politics, and posting in these forums in a very stereotypical fashion, just assuming this or that person is an 'elitist' because they may have knowledge, express themselves passionately, or what have you.  I was talking to whom I was talking to for a reason.  I wasn't interested (and am usually not interested) in engaging those, in my very, very humble opinion, who make these sorts of conclusions.  And yes, they do often happen to be male, follow people around and spew.

      As to my writing style.  Never been one to smooth things over in that kind of way...don't find it too often works for me anyway (tried it), as some appear to like to fight with me, wink.  Cannot say I DEFEND my points vehemently.  I state things passionately yes--I think it is just my writing voice and belief in what I am saying.

      Sigh.  Another thing is, some people are here to flirt.  And that's great and all--everyone is here for whatever reason--but that just isn't my style (at least my style that way isn't very overt, wink).  Sorry about it (uh, I guess), but that isn't everybody's interest...  Believe that some of the boys club don't cotton much to women like that...as WELL as those who differ so vastly in political beliefs.

      This whole incident, etc., and Sarah Palin (why is she so often in the middle?  I think because she is an iconic figure around which all these issues come into play) would make for some very interesting interpretive material!

  36. SweetiePie profile image83
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    Hi MM,

    People said Lita implied she was smart and flaunted her degree, but she has not done that.  I have not either, but when I was spoken down too I did share that I have some expertise in the subjects I post about, as if this is a mortal sin.  A couple of times I have said I am an intelligent lady because several people follow me around, chop up my posts, and speak to me like I am a petulant child lol. 

    By reading other people's profiles, hubs, and posts on Hubpages I notice they also share their degrees and expertise, but apparently this is only a mortal sin if done on the political forum lol.

    1. tksensei profile image60
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Really???

  37. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Hey Colebabie!
    Don't go!!! If you want to talk about Sarah Palin or the media or whether George Bush's daughters did or did not get attacked by them or anything else, we're game!
    The coffee comment was a joke of sorts.
    MM

  38. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    Haha MM, yeah I didn't really get excited about any of those topics. I'm not quite sure what "category" I fit into, but I don't worry much about labels. Seems to me, you have your opinion, you say what you know. No one is completely anything on all topics. If you are, then you aren't thinking for yourself.

  39. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    Uh-oh. Cole, wait for me!

    Bye gals smile

  40. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    Umm, ok, if you stay, I stay. I will hide behind your back though, some gals here scare me. yikes

    1. Colebabie profile image61
      Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Just answering questions... I'll wrap this up shortly. I'm pretty small, if you try to hide behind me they'll see you. But I'll defend you. Don't worry, I got this!

      1. Misha profile image74
        Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you, I knew you would help me. smile

    2. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Awwww poor Misha

  41. SweetiePie profile image83
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    Not sure why anyone would be scared of anyone lol smile.

  42. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    That is true TK, you do ask me a lot of questions...

    I wouldn't worry about it Sweetie, if he is asking questions of only women, either grant or deny him female attention and move on. smile

    1. JonTutor profile image60
      JonTutorposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      @Colebabie But he is gonna resort to ad hominem only against liberal women... when liberal women reply to him..... they gonna seem "mean" compared to "nice" replies of the conservative girl..... since liberal men here aren't going after conservative girls. smile

      1. Colebabie profile image61
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        He can take my posts how he wants, "mean" or "nice". I really don't care. If he wants to disregard the argument of a "liberal" woman just because he sees them as "liberal" then that is his problem. Quite sad, but his problem. Of course I'm not accusing him of this, but if it were to occur, I won't take it personally.

        1. JonTutor profile image60
          JonTutorposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          And you're right.... you shouldn't.... I have more respect now for women like SweetiePie and Lita who stand up for these guys... no point in being nice to folks like them..... when they're not giving the same respect to us... showing the other cheek... doesn't work always. smile

          1. Colebabie profile image61
            Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, much respect for them. If they felt like they weren't being heard or were being disregarded, they definitely have a right to stand up for themselves. Everyone has their own way of handling things. I give props to them for theirs smile

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              Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I cannot say I ever feel disregarded, Cole.  Probably the opposite, lol.  Sometimes too regarded, wink.

              I simply am going to state what I believe.  If there are those (and there appear always to be...and especially certain men here, as has been discussed--good discussion, btw) who apparently take issue with that, fine.  But they need to know it is their issue.

              I have shown no disrespect to anyone, save one here I really feel shouldn't be here by virtue of personal attacks on more than just females, or 'elitist' liberal females, or what have you.  That's part of the point, but also besides the point.

              Are there people I'm more interested in engaging, for whatever reason?  Yeah, sure.  That's life.  All people are not for all others.

              1. JonTutor profile image60
                JonTutorposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Gotta agree completely... can't please everyone. smile

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Very smart guy, wink.

        1. JonTutor profile image60
          JonTutorposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks Lita. smile

    2. tksensei profile image60
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I ask everyone a lot of questions. Gender is not a factor.

      1. SweetiePie profile image83
        SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I have not seen you ask a lot of men questions per se.  As I said I do not care, but you should try to spread your questions around a bit more.

        1. tksensei profile image60
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That's your issue. I do not consider gender before asking a question. Sorry if that upsets your prejudice, generalizations or sense of victimization.

          1. SweetiePie profile image83
            SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            It was just an observation and I am not upset.  I think you enjoy asking a lot of questions for some reason.  I usually do not ask people a lot of questions though because their posts usually clarify where they stand.

  43. SweetiePie profile image83
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    I agree with your common sense approach Colebabie smile.  On a more happy note, did I hear something about coffee?

  44. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    *squatting behind Cole's back*

  45. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    Misha, stop grabbing my ass!

  46. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    Oops, sorry, it's soooo attractive wink

  47. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    Yeah yeah yeah, control yourself! I'm going to go to the library now. Are you going to be ok by yourself?

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    pgrundyposted 7 years ago

    I think intensely disliking a public figure and being 'threatened' by that same person are two different things. I dislike interacting with a number of people who don't especially threaten me--I just don't like talking to them because I find their personalities abrasive and unpleasant. They're rude and ugly so I stay away from them.

    I don't know Sarah Palin personally of course, but the way she presents herself is very much like some of the women in my personal life whom I like the very least. She comes off as shrill, judgmental, extreme, petty, and mean to the point of being irrationally vengeful. Those aren't qualities I personally admire in anybody and I work hard to minimize them in myself, so I avoid people who are proud of those qualities in their own personalities, but they don't THREATEN me--I just don't like to be around them. And I certainly don't want one as my elected representative.

    So Palin's ideas are offensive to me, yes (to the degree that I understand what her ideas are--she's not that good at articulating them), AND she seems like a person I probably wouldn't like at all if I knew her.

    But I'm not THREATENED by her.

    I think she strikes lots of people that way, not just people on the left. Not a pleasant woman except maybe to look at.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Amen.  And absolutely correct.  The 'normal' right has practically disowned her, though you wouldn't know it on Hubpage forums, lol.  Her spats, gaffs, and stupidities with McCain's staff are legend.

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    pgrundyposted 7 years ago

    Yes she's a very polarizing figure and seems to capitalize on that at every turn. I'm tired of the culture wars though. I don't see the need to agree on God, and child rearing, and monkeys and dinosaurs and every last little bump and wrinkle on the radar chart. Whatever happened to staying out of your neighbor's business so long as they stay out of yours????

    I sometimes think Americans have just lost their manners (as opposed to their minds). smile

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Again, yep.  On target, I think.  I recently read a book that states all systems of abuse basically stem from, lol, separation anxiety--maybe even going so far back as to the womb.  So that the perception of 'the other' to some is very, very threatening in a kinda paranoid way.  Some would even say the Neocons are grounded in such a belief, um, system.

    2. JonTutor profile image60
      JonTutorposted 7 years ago in reply to this
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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        LOL!  You made me laugh....as soon as I saw the headline.  Yes, she does.  She does.  From my research on her, she once had religious oriented discussions with another local politician (who was also a pastor of a more, uh, normal congregation) who related that she does indeed believe dinosaurs and people co-existed.

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        pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It's possible. One of the smartest guys at my last job belonged to a church that taught the world is 6,000 years old and dinosaurs and people coexisted. He had very high job performance but in that one area of his life he had all these strange (and passionate) beliefs. You couldn't talk with him about any of it, he'd get all worked up and insulting.

        Lots of people around here (West Michigan) believe that 'young Earth' stuff.

        1. Will Apse profile image90
          Will Apseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Aren't people at all interested in genuine evidence? It requires a huge amount of double think or conspiracy theorizing to ignore the mass of data. Its like believing the earth is flat.

    3. Misha profile image74
      Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Not to be rude, but did they ever have any? American tourists is a well known disaster all over the World, exactly for the lack of manners. (This is not to say Russian tourists did not become the same kind of disaster lately lol)

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        pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You have a point there Misha. lol!

        And yes, we have that in common with Russians! big_smile

  50. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Hell-OOOO? Of COURSE dinosaurs and people coexisted! Duh.
    Who hasn't watched The Flinstones!!!???

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