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Has Obama Done Anything Right?

  1. marinealways24 profile image61
    marinealways24posted 7 years ago

    -I hear of all the solutions Obama has, but I haven't heard or seen any of them working. It seems as if he has all the answers with no solutions.

    -What has Obama done right?

    1. jiberish profile image79
      jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Like everything else about him.....this too is a mystery.

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol It must be. I haven't gotten very many answers so far.

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Nothing

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol

        4 to 0 for nothing!

    3. Lady_E profile image83
      Lady_Eposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      These things take time Marine. Whatever he implements will take a bit of time before you see the solution. Rome wasn't built in a day. smile

      Let's flip the coin - What has Obama done wrong?

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        Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        If you don't see the writing on the wall with this "empty suit" right now, you may never do so.

      2. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        He has created a historical debt. He has implemented and tries to implement government control in a free country. He is a contradiction of a free countries leader. He has not done 1 thing to better the country.

        1. Lady_E profile image83
          Lady_Eposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I definitely saw that coming.  Well, I'd give him till the end of the year and if your still not happy Marine - I will fire him myself.

          Can I do it - Yes I can! smile

          PS. Did you vote for him - you don't have to reply, just curious.

          1. marinealways24 profile image61
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            No, I didn't vote for him. I don't trust any politicians making my decisions. At the end of the year, we might be forced out by China since they pretty much own us. lol

            1. Lady_E profile image83
              Lady_Eposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              OK. So you had your reservations - fair enough.
              One thing that I really hope Obama does though, is to provide FREE Health Care, as we have in the UK. I think it would make a world of difference to Americans. smile

              1. marinealways24 profile image61
                marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                lol There is no such thing as "free" health care. Someone has to pay. The government has failed at running everything else, why would they succeed at running health care? Another question, who is paying for this "free" health care? It's not the unemployed. I don't expect anyone to pay my medical bills, no one else should expect me to pay theirs.

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                  ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes somebody does have to pay, you have to pay. But you will be paying half of the amount that you do now. Currently you pay 16% of your gdp for healthcare, the UK pays 8%. But thats all I will say, this has been talked about so much now that I refuse to let myself get dragged back in!

                  1. marinealways24 profile image61
                    marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    If we have "rationed" free health care, the government will make decisions on who lives and dies. Correct? This is not the governments decision.

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                  ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  If you paid half of the amount of money for yours, then you have money left over to help the unemployed. Remember that most unemployed people are not unemployed through choice, and that you could become unemployed yourself.

                  1. marinealways24 profile image61
                    marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I agree that our healthcare needs corrections. Not through government control. I have been unemployed a few times. I kept my head up, educated myself and learned not to repeat my mistakes. People who rely on the government for help will become dependent. I prefer to depend on myself.

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                    Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Who is anyone to say what I must do with MY "leftover" money?

              2. SHARON1952 profile image60
                SHARON1952posted 7 years ago in reply to this
              3. Lockenbar profile image60
                Lockenbarposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                There is no such thing as "free".  Somebody has to pay for it.

                1. nicomp profile image61
                  nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  The liberals/progressives/democrats are only too happy to vote themselves other people's money.

                  What we need is everyone kicking in a little, just for the privilege of living in the US. Not a back-breaking amount, just enough to make people understand that nothing is free. Like a doctor's visit co-pay.

                  Only 57% of income tax filers paid any tax in 2008. That's silly.

                  http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/09/tax-we … tlett.html

                  1. marinealways24 profile image61
                    marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    lol I get the sense that you don't lose many political debates.

        2. RKHenry profile image81
          RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Obama created a historical debt?  Obama?  Yeah, Congress didn't have anything to do with.  Hell, Georgie boy couldn't have anything to do with it either.  Please.......

          Do you seriously understand how the United States of America's government works?  Or are you just another American who failed Social Studies and never bothered going to summer school to make it up?

          Obama sole perpetrator of the National Debt.  Yeah, right... Unbelievable, and I thought Fox News was bias.

          1. tksensei profile image61
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            So when the economy picks up again you are going to cheer the Congress and not give the President credit? I'm sure the media will do likewise...

            1. RKHenry profile image81
              RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              tk- is that what you think?  I see....

              CONGRESS tk.  Get it?  Bark Bark goes sparky right on cue.

              1. tksensei profile image61
                tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You didn't answer my question.

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            Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, he created historical debt. No, of course not alone. But he did add trillions (that's with a "T") to it.

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              ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Hahahahahahaha..... the national debt is Obamas 'historical' debt.

              Good god, I give up. America should give up.

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                Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Good. Go to sleep little boy - you need your rest.

                1. RKHenry profile image81
                  RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  And maybe you do too...

                  Madame X I like you a lot, I usually find your points dead on, accurate, or valuable.  But you just did a kindergarten basic; "Well he did... " hissy fit response to my response.  As a fan of yours, I except better from you. Your a smart person behind that computer screen, we all know that.  So do what you will with this criticism, but seriously you can do better than that.  Now sparky the white poodle rat, it's predictable.  But you..., I know you can do better than that bullcrap you just pulled.

                  Nightie night night, sleep tight and get that rest you desperately need yourself. 


                  I find it amazing how people standards seem to go dangerously low, when emotionally debating a hot spot topic.  Why is that?  Laziness, that's why. Too much energy being spent on the wrong thing- negative, foul, disapproval.

                  1. marinealways24 profile image61
                    marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    lol So what are the good things Obama has done? You still dodge the original question.

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                    Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Thanks for all the compliments RK, but my dad's dead - and I don't need another.

                    I responded to ryankett the way I did because of instead of responding to me with adult emotion he chose to call me uneducated and ignorant, used condescension, and did so because I did not 'agree' with him. I was making points in response to his comments that dealt with the underlying concepts he presented rather than the "talking points" he wished to "confuse" me with. When he decides to deal with the actual issues behind this debate, I will treat him accordingly.

            2. tksensei profile image61
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              And wasted no time in doing it!

          3. marinealways24 profile image61
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            The stimulus was Obamas idea. Where is the stimulus at now? You didn't name 1 thing Obama has done right. You obviously understand politics how you can shoot around a question without answering. All you have to reply with is "It's Bush's Fault".

          4. marinealways24 profile image61
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol All of the sane minds see who the uneducated one is. You are the one with blinders on. In your ignorance, you take up for a president who wishes to control a free country. If a country is controlled by the government, it's not free.

            1. RKHenry profile image81
              RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Dude, your clueless.  Blinders on?  Ignorance?  Trash talking smack.  That's all that is.  CONGRESS, THE PAST 8 YEARS, BUSH, BUSH, ClINTON, all the way back to TEDDY, DEREGULATION, OBAMA- yeah, they all created this mess.  Your the one with blinders. I'll keep the trash, smack, name calling up to you. 

              And I'm ignorant........, dude you don't even have a clue.  Come on, I'm waiting for some more name calling.  Go ahead, call me a dumb nigger- if your gonna call me anything, call me what you really want.  Ignorant, yeah I got your ignorant.  Your trash talkin, smack rapping, name calling is bullshit dude. Ignorant.  And what flavor might you be?  Smart.  Oh I see, the one alway spouting hate is the smart one, oh my bad.  Don't mind me, I'm ignorant like you said.  Right, you just forgot the rest of it........, foolish move.

              1. marinealways24 profile image61
                marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                If you could view yourself in 3rd person, you would see I just proved my point. Pure ignorance. You are your own destruction.

                1. RKHenry profile image81
                  RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Yeah, this from the one who said, OBAMA CAUSED A HISTORICAL DEBT.  Dude, come on your forgot to say it.  Ignorant what??  Come on, I see how you are.  Now that I'm not totally 100% Republican, I'm ignorant.  Now that YOU made a stupid error in making that statement, I'm ignorant.  Come on brother, out with it, ignorant what? Typical wanna be Marine soldier....  I see how you are.  Ignorant what? You ain't no marine, you ain't got the HEART and SOUL of a true American Marine.  No way, no heart.  You ain't got it.  Cowardly, but I see it now, just look at you, look at all your posts, look at everyone of YOUR posts,  hate.  You ain't no Marine, you ain't got heart.  And you know what I'm talking about.  Coward, yeah I see how it is.

                  1. marinealways24 profile image61
                    marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    lol Again, you continue to shine. I will say again, you are your own destruction. The best thing I see is how you accuse me of the hate. lol Do you see anything? I know you obviously can't see yourself.


                    In your ignorance, do you wish to put more racist remarks to my name? lol

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                    Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Look's like the pot is calling the kettle black. . .
                    (I don't mean you marinealways24)

                  3. marinealways24 profile image61
                    marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    lol one more thought. If this was to get an emotional response out of me, you failed. You fail in having enough intelligence to get a sigh out of me, much less an emotional response. Maybe you should analyze yourself instead of analyzing everyone else.

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                ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                RKHenry, you are a wise man, I think that we should pity these people - pity is all that you can do. Sometimes they will wake up before they get old, sometimes they will die ignorant. This kind of argument will only corrode your soul, I am going to walk away from this with my head held high - and you should walk away with this with your head held high too.

                I am a man that likes a quote, and the one that makes me think most about Americas situation is this one:-

                “Don't gain the world and lose your soul, wisdom is better than silver or gold...” - Bob Marley

                Just never lose your soul and never lose your wisdom, because you have them both.

                Good night.

              3. nicomp profile image61
                nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Let me help you with your ignorance. The credit crisis was caused by *over* regulation, not deregulation. Lenders were obligated by Democratic members of Congress to lend to people who otherwise did not qualify for a mortgage. It was in all the papers.

                Anecdotal evidence: In 2008, Hilary Clinton campaigned at Cincinnati State Technical and Community College. She brought up on stage a woman who was in forclosure. Clinton portrayed her as a victim. The next day the facts came out; the poor lady borrowed money to purchase a 50K house on a 12K income and never even made one payment. No bank in it's right mind wold approve that loan unless they were under pressure from well-meaning social engineers to make the "American Dream" available to anyone with a pulse.

                1. tksensei profile image61
                  tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Keep tellin' it like it is, bro!

              4. tksensei profile image61
                tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                It's nice that we can get along like this...

                1. marinealways24 profile image61
                  marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  You know that I am happy. lol

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                    Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm happy if you're happy . . . tongue

        3. James Agbogun profile image79
          James Agbogunposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It is so easy to accuse the man of placing the country in Depts. But you should know that the last president also initiated economy stimulus and tax rebate. And it should be clear that pre-existing dept is responsible. And again, in the area of foreign policy, america is now in a positive position. Russia, North korea, Cuba and venezuela are no longer antagostists. Except for Iran where for the first time in many years was disunited because of the peace tactic adopted by Obama. What the last president could not do for eight years was done with the weapon of peace within few years in Office. Then iraq............

          1. nicomp profile image61
            nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            The same old tired argument; "The last guy was worse."

            Obama has increased the debt by 400%; that is no one's fault but his. http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bus … -pictures/

            I was really worried about Cuba. Venezuela is run by a loony who needs us to buy his oil. North Korea is still developing nuklar weapons and testing offensive missiles even with Obama in office. Russia got along with Bush.


            Peace that has lasted about 6 months? Get back to us in 4 years. I'll give him his props.

            1. James Agbogun profile image79
              James Agbogunposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I would have loved a Chat prepared by "Rush Limbaugh" or "False news".

      3. tksensei profile image61
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        How much time?

        1. Davinagirl3 profile image60
          Davinagirl3posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Longer than it took George W. to flush the toilet.

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Jesus you Obamabots are a broken record! Newsflash, Bush was a small part of the economic problem, get over him he is nolonger in Office. The rest of the crooks who helped ina much larger way are there now, what will you do with them? I know, you will reelect them to steal more!

            1. Davinagirl3 profile image60
              Davinagirl3posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I am just being objective.  We can't ignore that the country was in pretty bad shape.  I am not saying that it is going to be cleaned up overnight.  I am not willing to ignore that we had pretty bad leadership for the past eight years.  I don't personally consider myself a democrat, or Obamabot. But I appreciate you resorting to name calling.  It is very mature.

              1. Misha profile image76
                Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                LOL I know you are not, but this remark really looked like the one. Not to support name calling, especially towards you, but this uninitiated Texan could have easily mistaken you for one - based on just one comment. Take a look at it tomorrow, and you will see. smile

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                A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Objective? Is that what you call what you are being? I disagree about having bad leadership I think we have bad leadership now! We had a President who didn't bow before others or take C#@P from dictators! Now we have the poster child for "Can't we all just get along!" I don't want to get along with Countries who want to see me dead, maybe thats a flaw in my personality? And if you think Obamabot is name calling you better get outside sometime, the world is a nasty place!

          2. tksensei profile image61
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Could you be more specific?

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      annvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ummm...hmmmm ...he invited people for a beer at the white house?

      1. tksensei profile image61
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        LOL! Theres one!

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          annvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          See, I got an answer for everything...yay!

    5. Kadmiels profile image73
      Kadmielsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      HAHAHAHA nothing.....

    6. King Of Fantasia profile image69
      King Of Fantasiaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      -He's a damn sight more intelligent than the other guy. Give him a chance. He has to clean up someone else's appalling mess. He's not even there a year!! I say be patient.

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        How much more patience/sacrifice should there be?

        1. Vladimir Uhri profile image60
          Vladimir Uhriposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          This is what liberal socialist always do, blaming Bush and cover up socialistic fungus.
          Soviets always blamed America for their failures.
          I believe that Obama should give one million of each family who died in Iraq or elsewhere. They should not pay taxes any more for life. But he bailed our failing companies and paid CEO's huge money.

          1. egiv profile image75
            egivposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Blaming Bush has nothing to do with liberals or socialism, its the fact that Bush was a horrible president. He is the reason we are dealing with a mess in Iraq and he is the reason our deficit is so high. Obama has only tried to allow us to recover from this. What was the Republican response? Do nothing, the system will regulate itself.

            Obama should compensate soldiers? I think Bush should.

            1. Vladimir Uhri profile image60
              Vladimir Uhriposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You know what? Hate is moral disease. You listen too much liberal media. Any president's duty is only two: Protect our constitution and protect our country. It is not we should demand to run the country. Only socialist do this. Bush did two main wrong: 1. He did not reverse abortion, 2 He supported split Israel for false peace. See "Palestinians" never see the peace. They know only control and fight.
              Obama I think illegally printed money and it is not the solution. Illegally I mean any printed money without cover with the gold is only cheap paper. It destroys values.
              I was suspicious on the beginning when democrats voted for war in Iraq. I smelled crucifixion. Saddam Hussein's general Georgesaada confirmed WMD. But they did not aloud him to speak publicly here and UK.

      2. nicomp profile image61
        nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You have no basis for your assertion of relative intelligence. They both went to Ivy league schools and they both have graduate degrees. Obama has refused to release any of his transcripts, while the other guy did.

      3. Eaglekiwi profile image75
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Marine I missed your comment to the list I posted ? on what Pres.Obama has done right

        1. marinealways24 profile image61
          marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol


          You are a nice lady. I didn't want to ruin your list.

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
            Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol oh you

            1. marinealways24 profile image61
              marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol

      4. tksensei profile image61
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Be patient for exactly how long? And how do you know he's "a damn sight more intelligent than the other guy?" What other guy?

        1. jiberish profile image79
          jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The other guy must be Biden. smile

          1. Davinagirl3 profile image60
            Davinagirl3posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Oh yeah, it's Biden.  Common sense will tell you it's Biden.  That was a brilliant attempt at a burn!

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            Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol lol lol

    7. King Of Fantasia profile image69
      King Of Fantasiaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Don't turn this into a propeganda machine. It's wrong.

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol What am I selling?

        1. nicomp profile image61
          nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It's only propaganda when it runs counter to your opinion.

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    A Texanposted 7 years ago

    No! Is the answer you seek!
    Semper Fidelis

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Lol, another no. I am keeping track. We have "3" that says Obama hasn't done anything right. "0" says he has done something right. lol not looking good. oorah

  3. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    I'm upset...I thought he would wave a magic wand and everything would be fixed instantly. I want my money back...

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol the wand has failed. No refunds.

    2. jiberish profile image79
      jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He should bail us all out, and go back to .......wherever he's from.

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Chicago?

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          ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, he is most definitely from Chicago Eaglewiki, you are quite right!

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
            Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            big_smile

  4. marinealways24 profile image61
    marinealways24posted 7 years ago

    I suggest to anyone that wants more government control to join the military. You will get plenty of control.

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    ryankettposted 7 years ago

    Going back to the original question, yes Obama has done many things right. As an outsider who hasnt really been paying attention, I have noticed this:-

    1) He sent Bill Clinton to North Korea to negotiate the release of hostages. As opposed to America having another cold war, this time with North Korea.

    2) He has allowed Cuban people into America to visit their families, and has lifted certain unfair trade embargos on Cuba.

    3) He taxed the bonuses of fat cats at 90% until they pay back their bail outs, something which Gordon Brown should have done in the UK. They were bailed out with public money, you should be grateful for this. The banks are paying back the US quicker than our banks are paying back the UK as a direct result.


    Those are my personal favourite 3 things so far.

    1. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He specifically said that HE did NOT "send" Clinton, and we are no more cozy with NK than we were before.

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        ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        LOL, I dont think that you could get cosy with North Korea if you tried, Im not sure that any country could. In global politics they are the kid that sat in the corner of the classroom and never talked; later to be found threatening to shoot up the school.

        1. tksensei profile image61
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Then he didn't accomplish anything in that regard.


          Each of your "favorite three things" falls apart upon examination.

    2. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, supporting a repressive Communist regime is really doing a solid for the Cuban people.

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        ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Haha, thats a whole new debate, I know that I initiated it... I hope that you don't mind if I make a U-turn and avoid this one for tonight?

    3. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      -The President does not have the power to tax.

      -The proposed tax was never to be 90%

      -A bill was proposed on the matter but never passed.

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        ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well I thought that the house approved it?

        http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/busin … ilout.html

        Although like I have already admitted, I pay very little attention to your internal affairs - only your external ones.

        1. tksensei profile image61
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Introduced in the House, never passed. Never got any further than that because it was a patently bad idea based on (understandable) emotion.

  6. mcbean profile image83
    mcbeanposted 7 years ago

    Obama's greatest achievement to date is improving the world's opinion of America.
    Few Americans have an understanding of the damage their reputation took under Mr Bush.
    He has inherited a country struggling on many fronts and his critics ask why he hasn't fixed the Global financial crisis yet.
    This mess took years to make and will take just as long to fix.

    Your President forms the basis of the worlds opinion of the 'average American'. Regardless of what you think on his policies, you are now showing the world an elloquent, intelligent man who can think on his feet and genuinely interact with everyday people. Who with a straight face could say that about Mr Bush.

    I have no comment on the specifics of his decisions as I do not feel my knowledge warrants it. Even committed Republicans should be happy about the improved image America has throughout the world. You were the laughing stock there for a while.

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      ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Agreed 100%. Its foreign policy is all that the world cares about, and its foreign policy and diplomacy has been excellent of late.

      1. tksensei profile image61
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Not so.

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          ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Care to elaborate? Im not so sure that most people care as much about your health policies, as opposed to your international relations. Bush bullied the world for long enough, most people would much rather see you fighting internally than intimidating externally.

          1. tksensei profile image61
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Sure, an awful lot of people 'care' about things that affect our economy because it drives the world's economy.

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              ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              If you carry on the way that you have been, then for how much longer will this be the case? The only major economy that the USA 'drives' is the UK.

              China are already making major inroads, they are staking a claim for their currency to take over the dollar as the worlds primary currency.

              Ask yourself why the 10 largest economies in the world entered recession at the same time, and 7 are now out?

              The 3 remaining major countries in recession include the USA and the UK. The other 7, including 3 European countries, are experiencing growth again.

              The USA is hardly 'driving' them out of recession is it? Almost all developed nations have gained ground on the USA in the last 3 years, much of this is to do with your huge national debt.

              The USA is becoming a spent force, and yes the UK is being dragged down with it. The sooner we cut all ties with you and get further in bed with Europe (including the single currency) the better.

              1. tksensei profile image61
                tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                We'll see. Until then you sink or swim with us so you'd better 'care.'

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                  A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I am still waiting on an answer about how much the US spends creating in the medical field I also wonder if Britain's population has anything to do with the lower GDP, it seems the US has about 256 million more people and more coming everyday! I haven't heard of anyone leaving the US to go to Britain!

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                    ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    The nominal amount of GDP is irrelevant as I was expressing the expenditure as a percentage. I guess that the figure you are looking for is GDP per capita, which is per member of the population.

                    The GDP per capita for the USA was $46,859 per person in 2008. The GDP per capita per person for the UK was $36,523 per person in 2008.

                    All this does is further reinforce my argument, this equates to a spend of $7497 per person on healthcare each year in the USA, but $2921 per person in the UK.

                    What we get, for $5026 less per person, is a health care system ranked at 18th in the world by the World Health Organisation. Your health care system is lagging at 37th.

                    I hope that clarifies.

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                  ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I dont care, this country was destroyed in the Thatcher-Reagen days. The only good thing left in this country is the national health service.

                  I have an EU passport. Yes, thats right, I can live anywhere in the EU freely. The ship is sinking and I will jump it to join the 100,000 British people that permanently emigrate to Europe every year. In fact I just joined a course in Spanish and hope to be fluent within the next few years.

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                    Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Gee, I wonder why they're doing that? Could it be the great HEALTHCARE system you all have?

                  2. tksensei profile image61
                    tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    LOL! Now you don't care about us or your own country, and THE ONLY GOOD THING is socialized health care!



                    Congratulations. I'm sure it makes a handy coaster.

    2. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      We understand just fine, we (a lot of us) just don't give a crap what everyone else thinks.

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        ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well we realise that, hence the reason you had Bush for 8 years. The rest of the world just hopes that there are enough people in America that do "give a crap" to see Obama in for 8.

        1. tksensei profile image61
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Not if he keeps doing his impersonation of Jimmy Carter.

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry to disappoint all you non Americans but Obama has sealed his fate with his Socialist leanings, we are free in this Country, we can buy firearms and carry them around when we want. Thats what made this Country great our freedom! About that 16% GDP being spent on health care I wonder how much is spent on Medicaid and Medicare, or creating new medical procedures that we later supply to other countries because they cannot do the development themselves!

  7. marinealways24 profile image61
    marinealways24posted 7 years ago

    I don't like to make generalizations, but I will say it's part ignorance for any US citizen to support Obama. Obama clearly has his agenda for government control. The country was built on the free market, not government control.

  8. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    So why are things so bad now after years and years of deregulation?

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol They obviously aren't getting better with Obama wanting to control everything. What happens when you intervene the free market? It's no longer free. There can be regulation without the government owning stock.

  9. bill yon profile image51
    bill yonposted 7 years ago

    what has president obama done?well let's see didn't he get a arms reduction deal with russia?I think so.oh let's see what else?isn't the recession over?hmmm?I think we are in recovery phase along with japan.hmmmm,let's see what else,trying his bestest to get health care reform through,but what's holding it up?hmmmmm.Lies propaganda,fear tactics,more lies,ummm,what are the republicans doing?hmmmm.oh they are getting ready for the 2012 elections,not even offering any ideas help what so ever,Hmmmmmmm,fear mongers fear mongers,what can we spread today?how many lies can we get out this week?hmmmm.how about this one Obama is not a citizen?hmmmmmmmm.already tried that one,hmmmmmmmm whatelse can we come up with that will cause public uproar hmmmmmm any ideas sarah palin?DEATH PANEL.BRILLIANT,that will get their brithches in a bunch,that'll light a fire underneath them,never mind the fact that it is NOT TRUE!!!damn fools.

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Oh go take a vallium

      1. Davinagirl3 profile image60
        Davinagirl3posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        After visiting this forum, I really wish I had a valium.  I don't understand why anyone would even ask a question for the sole purpose of questioning the intellegence of those who reply.  I find forums like these to be disheartening and disrespectful.  Is there any reason to ask a question and then try to downgrade a person if they don't agree with you?  I tried to take this thread seriously, but it is just a trap.

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          Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Some people need their "intelligence" questioned. When someone presents an opinion that is full of fallacy because they haven't done their homework, they appear, and are, of questionable intelligence. I don't see any problem in pointing that out. Unless, of course, we're all going to drop to the level of these communist-style classrooms where no one's allowed to actually win a debate because it might "hurt someone's feelings".

          1. bill yon profile image51
            bill yonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            madame X I have noticed that it is you and marine always that are attacking and demeaning people when they respond,my intelligence level is 126 that's my I.Q. now how do you ecpect a new incoming president to fix all the ills if America in only a few months?after the last eight years of complete lack of leadership and complete incompetence of the last adminstration,after  N.A.F.T.A,was signed in to law by clinton and the republican congress,N.A.F.T.A. is one of the main reasons our economy is shakey,globalisation is one of the main reasons our nation is having a hard time.they say united we stand and divided we fall,seems to me we are pretty well divided,now don't you think that is a shame?republicans playing games and causing public unrest only for the sake of winning a election that is a couple of years off?we stand in the worst economic climate since the great depression,at least the democrats are proactive instead of reactive,so quick to attack and twist the truth into something that will satisfy your ego,when you forget that bush stole the election,don't you think that is un-american?Let's not forget about the fact that bush lied to get the war in IRAQ started,destabilized the region and made Iran even stronger,sat on his ass while North korea was slanging missiles over Japan,ignored the warnings coming from his own intelligence that a attack on america was imminent(911)do you remember that?what else? oh yeah revealed the Idenity of a C.I.A. spy because she told him that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction,and they was not even capable of producing weapons of mass destruction,all because he wanted to go to war with Iraq killing the snake while letting the devil get away.where's bin laden?americans have died fighting in a war for his ego.meanwhile bin ladens regrouped in afghanistan and gotten stronger.what is on you mind?are you just arguing just to be arguing?do you have any real valid points to address?do you even know whats going on?

            1. marinealways24 profile image61
              marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol I don't mean to be disrespectful but, are you serious? You state your IQ number. You make accusations of me attacking people with no backing. You didn't list one thing Obama has done right. All you listed is what Bush did wrong. What was the IQ again? I have ADD.

            2. Eaglekiwi profile image75
              Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I realLy think there is no pleasing some people, it wouldnt matter how well he did , they would just move onto the next piece of nonsense IMO

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                Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                To which nonsense are you referring, exactly?

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              Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I question your statements Bill, because your opinions of how good you think Obama is doing is based on how bad Bush did. What did Obama do right? Sans Bush comentary.

        2. Eaglekiwi profile image75
          Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry Davina not laughing at you,but you said exactly what I was thinking...

          Man oh man , if this is how we are in a forum , what hope is there for major world leaders...lol

          I like President Obama ,I feel hopeful he's leading and endeavouring to inform ,make decisions and has the backbone to make changes...
          I am happy the American people voted him in, and he deserves the respect of any new President of the nation who voted him in.

          If you didnt vote ,or didnt vote for him , then shame on you for displaying poor sportsmanship...

          I truly hope youre not gonna be bitching until the next election

          Get over it already .

          The man moved his family into the White House months ago.

          Thats all Ive got to say about that.

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            Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Why on earth should I "get over it". The man's a communist nightmare and his goal is to destroy America. And yes, I'm going to rant, rave and scream about his lies and political manipulations until he's just listed as the huge mistake in American history that he is.

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              ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Your a seemingly reasonably wealthy (former Apple Graphic Designer), retired mature American man, who claims to be "Living Peacefully and Quietly".

              Why not let go of what is happening the in world of politics, forget the bickering and the arguments, the things that aren't really affecting you, and continue to live that life "peacefully an quietly".

              Life is too short for hatred, paranoia and worry. Take up painting, do that writing that you said that you would do, if you have grandchildren then take them to the park.

              Die with a smile on your face, dont die with a frown and a bitterness. I am sure that you will see another Republican president, dont worry yourself about it too much.

              There is a whole world of adventure out there. Turn off the television set and hop on a plane to somewhere oblivious to the troubles of America.

              Die Happy.

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                Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Have you ever heard the word "dharma"? It means to do the right thing at the right time in the right way. Of course, figuring out what that is in any given moment is not always so easy, but that's the spiritual practice of it.

                I will fight for my freedom's as long as I have breath, otherwise I might as well be dead. And sometimes that includes getting into heated debates.

                And I'm female - hence, "Madame" X

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                  ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Apologies, no offence was intended with the use of the word 'Man', this was an unintentional error.

                  I admire your willingness to fight for the things that you believe in, just as long as you forget about them sometimes and have a little fun.

                  Do you have children? If so they really are not going to need all of that inheritance Madame X, there will be enough to go around for you to spend some of it having that well deserved break.

                  If you dont have children, then you should spend your money on being happy - go and see the world. I can recommend Istanbul, thats a great place, Barcelona is also a very beautiful city (and it has very little CCTV).

                  By all means stand up for what you believe, but retirement is about enjoying everything that you have already achieved. You will have achieved a lot in your lifetime, be proud of that fact and enjoy the rewards.

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                    Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    No apology necessary ryankett and thanks for the suggestions on travel. Actually, I have been all over the world and find travel to be delightful.

                    And I am enjoying myself - very much. There's nothing quite as stimulating as a good debate, and debaters. . . well, almost nothing. . . . Cheers!

            2. Eaglekiwi profile image75
              Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              The ranting , raving ,screaming , hows it working for ya ?

              All that energy could be used for something else just my opinion.

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                Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Yep. Works great for me. Anything you care to discuss?

            3. Uninvited Writer profile image83
              Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              A man who was elected by the majority of the voting public...
              yes, those of us who support him might be wrong...but so might you be.

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                ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Indeed Uninvited Writer. All of these staunch Republicans (anonymous Republicans I hastily add) are quick to defend their 'freedom', yet don't seem to appreciate the freedom to diplomatically elect their government. Irony? I believe so.

                1. tksensei profile image61
                  tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  ??????????????????????

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                    ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Just one question mark would have been sufficient tksensei, I am literate.

                    Republicans are drivelling on about the 'free market' and taking away 'freedoms'. 'Free' and 'Freedom' seems to be the buzzwords.

                    Your country is 'free' to elect its government, it 'freely' did so, that government is now 'free' to implement its policies and comply with its ideals and manifesto.

                    In 4 years time the country is again 'free' to elect its government, who are in turn 'free' to implement its policies and comply with its ideals and manifesto.

                    The American people have democratically elected a government who will inevitably introduce some new ways of working and thinking.

                    Should the people of America decide to vote in a different government in 2012, then that party may decide to abolish those policies and return to the prior state.

                    The alternative is to have one political party, with no real right to vote against or for them, who will implement their ideals and manifestos for eternity/indefinetly.... for example, North Korea and Iran.

                    Obama is respected worldwide as the democratically elected president of the United States of America, the choice of your nation. Should your nation decide that they do not like Obama in four years time, then they can choose to vote him out. The next president will then be respected worlwide as the democratically elected president of the United States of America.

                    That is just one freedom that the people of America enjoy.

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                    Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Why would you think we don't appreciate it? Obama was nothing more than the pendulum swinging away from Bush, and the "hate Bush" meme added in. America ain't so brittle, and 2010 is a lot closer than you think.

              2. marinealways24 profile image61
                marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Why do any citizens of a free country support a person that has an agenda for more government control?

          2. tksensei profile image61
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Where did this "he won the election so you all have to shut up" attitude come from?

    2. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The 2010 elections are the ones dems need to be worried about first.

    3. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Pure Ignorance

  10. mcbean profile image83
    mcbeanposted 7 years ago

    A Texan wrote:

    "I think I would rather have the 37th best Medical care and live free as opposed to 18th and have to use a passport to go 300 miles! Good luck with your 2nd language skill, if you aren't fluent ina couple of years (WTF) you can always come to Texas and I will teach you all you will ever need to know about communication!"

    This is a rather poor argument. A Nations size is the primary predictor of its citizens freedom?

    Lets all move to Russia. They can travel 1/3 of the way around the world without leaving home. Speak the same language the whole way.They must be really free over there.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No its not a predictor of its freedom, have you ever been to Europe? They have cameras watching everything they do that is not freedom. My comments on the size of the US is about his having to use a passport to go to a different country and my freedom to visit a much better place without one!

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        ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Cameras watching everything that we do? hahaha, oh dear its that paranoia again? I certianly dont have any cameras pointing towards my house.

        Many cities use CCTV as a crime prevention and detection method if thats what you mean, it is pretty effective at fighting crime. Unless you wish to have sex in the middle of the central business district, or you want to rob a Jewellery store, then a surviellence camera (when they even bother to turn them on) isn't going to cause you many problems.

        I was attacked once after a meal out, they identified the man on CCTV and had him in court within a week.... so no objections from me, there were no witnesses and I couldnt remember what he looked like - so this was effective.

        But a CCTV camera pointing out into a crowd of 2000 people is hardly invading your privacy (unless you get paranoid about being found picking your nose?)

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          Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sheesh. You really have no understanding of what it means to be truly free, do you?

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You keep your cameras I will just shoot the one who attacks me, somebody else will have to identify him! CCTV is not used to spy? Sure it is! Its not paranoia its knowing what a Government will do to "Protect you" I bet you have a problem with wiretapping terrorists to!

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            ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Well I am happy enough with the cameras dude, and I am certainly happy without a gun, we are from two completely different cultures my American cousin. Similar in so many ways, but different in so many other ways. It will always be like that, and I am happy to embrace the things that I love about visiting America - whilst I also acknowledge that there are things that I would never accept into my own culture. I guess that national health care is one of those things for you, and guns is one of those things for me. I am sure that there will be many other political issues and debates on hubpages in the future that we can both agree on.

            How is that for reasoned thought? I hope that you appreciate my best efforts at diplomacy and tolerance? Hopefully they can be recipiated.

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              A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Diplomacy and tolerance! Wasted efforts against an enemy! But I guess we are allies, the British get themselves in trouble and we naturally come to the rescue.We haven't done that in what 65 years? I guess thats why you speak English today, I don't hate you "Dude" but I wouldn't walk across the street to piss on you if you were on fire either!

              1. tksensei profile image61
                tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Don't forget our logistic assist during the terrible battle for Las Malvinas!

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                  ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Dont forget the hundreds of British lives lost in Iraq and Afghanistan in support of US operations, and in one case on the basis of incorrect intelligence, despite an almost complete lack of public support and at the cost of about $1 trillion.

                  What a completely disrespectful comment. The USA only became involved the first time around after they were attacked directly, do you know how many lives the British lost in WWI and WWII as a result of its defence against the evil Nazi regime? (which it was fighting for years before the Americans decided to help us out at all?) we lost more people in both of those wars than any other country in the world.

                  Get some dignity, seriously.... where is your respect for the dead? America obviously did not feel a threat from the Nazi's, which is easy when they are not less than 30 miles from your coastline.

                  1. tksensei profile image61
                    tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You're fighting there because it's in your own best interests (just like we are).

                  2. tksensei profile image61
                    tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    How is it disrespectful? Did we provide logistical support then or not?

                  3. tksensei profile image61
                    tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    As a result of what? As a result of a misguided policy of appeasement? Yeah, I know. History knows.

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                    A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    What are you babbling about? Does it matter when we entered the conflict? The only reason that you are not speaking German today is because of the United States! Your Chancellor screwed you not the Americans, we saved you! And as someone who has fought in war I think the British are some of the greatest warriors in the world, but the US does not need a single one to overcome any enemy! Get a clue

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                ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Dont forget the hundreds of British lives lost in Iraq and Afghanistan in support of US operations, and in one case on the basis of incorrect intelligence, despite an almost complete lack of public support and at the cost of about $1 trillion.

                What a completely disrespectful comment. The USA only became involved the first time around after they were attacked directly, do you know how many lives the British lost in WWI and WWII as a result of its defence against the evil Nazi regime? (which it was fighting for years before the Americans decided to help us out at all?) we lost more people in both of those wars than any other country in the world.

                Get some dignity, seriously.... where is your respect for the dead? America obviously did not feel a threat from the Nazi's, which is easy when they are not less than 30 miles from your coastline.

                Your country likes to paint a picture of itself as a hero, why not do some real research about the chain of events in WWII? Sure, you can make films (Saving Private Ryan) which make yourself look like heros, but the British had already lost hundreds of thousands of men on the beaches of Dunkirk before you had even turned up.

                We lost 1.3 million people in those wars, defending our country (originally defending other countries in Europe), and that is the kind of respect that our dead get? Every British person in this country could not count the number of dead relatives on two hands.

                Do you see me making incredibly unsensitive remarks about 9/11 or Vietnam? Have some fucking respect.

                And I wouldnt want your piss on me if I was on fire, I wouldn't want inadvertanly adopt any of your simple mindedness.

                1. tksensei profile image61
                  tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Not even close.


                  Where's Misha?

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                    ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Fair enough, I didnt think about Russia. Although I WAS talking about military deaths

                    Who gives a fuck about who had the most deaths, the fact remains that he didnt need to be bringing up WWI and WWII in relation to comments about CCTV and the NHS.

                    What the fuck has war got to do with that?

                    Fuck you all, thats far too down to the knuckle.

                    For the record, the British had 885138 military deaths in WWI, and 382700 military deaths in WWII.

                    Yes I know Russia had more than this, but America had:-

                    416,800 in WWII and 116,708 in WWI


                    I respect every last one of them. Fuck you man, seriously fuck you all man seriously.

                    I cant believe the way that such tragic loss of life has been brought into a petty and pointless debate about the fucking NHS, CCTV and Obama.

                    Fucking freaks. Decent American people, I feel very very sorry for you all.

                    Fuck this place.

                2. tksensei profile image61
                  tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  How am I disrespecting the dead? How have I disrespected the 255 British who died in that misguided conflict?

                3. nicomp profile image61
                  nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  No disrespect intended, but wasn't Dunkirk a retreat and evacuation? D-Day wasn't intended to save those men.

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                    ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes it was, but we had been fighting on the beachs of Dunkirk for 4 years and we fought alongside Americans in those battles.

                    Add to the fact that about three quarters of your men that day were supposedly black african-americans.... I still feel that that film does not do the chain of events real justice.

      2. mcbean profile image83
        mcbeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes i have been to Europe - lived there for 9 years actually. And yes i have been to the US, and 70 other countries around the world and to all continents except Antarctica. Do I think America is the best country. No. Do I think any country is the best country. No. What i can appreciate is the cultural diversity each country offers and am more able to take an objective view on their strengths and weaknesses.

        Being patriotic does not mean that every other nationality has to be inferior to you.

        Americans tend to be oblivious to the way the rest of the world sees their country. The 'Superpower' is like any other country - far from perfect. People tend to be more forgiving of your less favorable characteristics if you don't spend the whole time telling them how great you are.

        1. tksensei profile image61
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I believe we've covered this.

    2. nicomp profile image61
      nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      We're not 37th anyway. Everyone quotes that ranking but no one can even begin to explain the underlying data. We've tried to get clarification from several people who post on this forum, but they insist that "They are the source" and we should just accept the ranks as gospel.

      Here's the ranking: http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

      Here's the spreadsheet behind the ranking:http://www.photius.com/rankings/world_health_systems.html

      The data appears to be somehow goal-related and the ranks appear to be driven by how those goals are met. Or not. The column headings don't mean anything. The rightmost column appears to be where the "37th" comes from but how it's calculated is a mystery. Anyone who uses the ranking to make their point should be able to explain how it's calculated.

  11. marinealways24 profile image61
    marinealways24posted 7 years ago

    lol wow nicomp. I fear the retaliation. He will return after he gets his teleprompter.

    1. nicomp profile image61
      nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He's right about both parties having blame in this mess, but the Dems obligated Fanny to make bad loans *and* to agree to buy up toxic assets from other banks that made the same loans. Chris Dodd and Barney Frank are at the heart of the problem, in my opinion.

      1. tksensei profile image61
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        ...bingo!

      2. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I agree that both parties suck. I'm only saying that Obama is making things worse instead of better. He says he has solutions with no plans. He has goals of "his" agenda, not a "free countries" agenda.

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          Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          He's a communist, a devotee of Alinsky's. What else do you expect?

          1. marinealways24 profile image61
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Change? lol

        2. RKHenry profile image81
          RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Now believe it or not, I do agree.  Still don't think you are a Marine, just a wanna be with no heart or soul.  You ain't got what it takes to be a true American Marine.  But I do agree with you on this.

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    You got a few things, right, Ryan.  One is (and I thought this before, due to diction) Madame is a man.  lol.  And I believe there are different platform versions (graphic design term) of her out there in hubpages land, too.

    What's real weird is that most graphic designers I know (and I am one, too) are liberals...especially Apple computer adherents.  Just look at their advertising!

    wink

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      ryankettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You know what, I had such an overpowering sense that 'Madame X' was a man - I didn't even think whilst I was typing, it was sub conscious. But it would be unfair to suggest that I suppose, certainly ungentleman like!

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        Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I appreciate your gentlemanly attitude ryankett. Most people have trouble with the idea that women can think logically, and therefore present their arguments in a logical way. Hence, "must be a man". And that is rather chauvinistic thinking but I'm used to it.

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I am inclined to agree, my smart daughter gets it all the time.

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            Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks earnesthub, the only real support I ever get is from my husband. And my hat's off to your gal!!

  13. marinealways24 profile image61
    marinealways24posted 7 years ago

    After 160+++ post's, I have yet to see 1 logical thing that Obama has done right. Did I miss that somewhere?

  14. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    The citizens of this country elected Obama as a direct reaction against 8 years of Bush policies. Given the choices offered -- Obama or McCain -- Americans chose Obama as the better NOT PERFECT choice.
    We can put Obama's first 6+ months in office into historical context. Compared to Obama, what, if anything memorable had Bush done during the same timeframe? Everything after that brief intro period -- and I do mean EVERYTHING -- was overshadowed by 9/11.
    Perhaps we should all hope for a giant national crisis to hit on Obama's watch!! That way we can rally our citizenry together against some foreign enemy and stop this ridiculous, petty partisan squabbling.

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    No, ma'am, Madame...  It isn't the logic....and I'll give you credit, the one hub you did on disruption of communication and politics was actually quite good. 

    It's just the diction...mode of expression, voice.  You are also too young to be retired, lol, although using words like "delightful," and "wonderful," does help and threw me off, wink.

  16. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    He pushed for funding of a big expansion of AmeriCorps and for the enactment of the Matthew Shepard Act that was finally adopted on July 15th, and reversed the stem-cell policy, signed the Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009.

    1. nicomp profile image61
      nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The law that makes some people worth more than others.

      1. Colebabie profile image61
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        And how is that?

        1. nicomp profile image61
          nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Given the same crime, the law mandates stiffer penalties when committed against some people than other people.

          1. Colebabie profile image61
            Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Where do you see that?

  17. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    Ryan chill out smile

  18. Eaglekiwi profile image75
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Yep what Lita said.

    C'mon Ryan ,focus ,get back in the saddle smile

  19. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    Yes Ryan remember the ones who made you smile and forget the ones that don't listen smile Have a good night smile
    I've survived my comments being disputed so far. But I know it won't last long...

  20. tjmatel3 profile image78
    tjmatel3posted 7 years ago

    You must give Obama some credit for trying.  In fact, it's been only a few months into his presidency.  It will take time to turn some things around.  On the other hand, he needs to be careful about running the country into the ground.  Obama seems bent on establishing his "agenda" whether or not it is good for the country.  What is this rush with fixing healthcare, regardless of the omens?  Fact is, the system needs to be reformed, but it needs careful planning and execution to get that done.  What about the naivety with which he views the world.  We no longer fight a War on Terror, just an overseas contingency; we no longer fight terrorists, just enemy combatants; Iran and North Korea are good little countries that will follow our lead if we just talk to them and make some concessions.  Personally, I wish the President well and pray for his success.  Yet I have some concerns about his vision for the US.

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, it took six months for him to pick out his dog, but we have to pass healthcare reform RIGHT NOW!!

    2. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think this is the entire problem. Obama only cares about the good of "his" agenda. Not the "countries" agenda.

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        Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yep.

  21. mcbean profile image83
    mcbeanposted 7 years ago

    The heated debate this forum caused led me to put my side into a hub.
    criticism and comments welcome.

    http://hubpages.com/hub/How-the-World-S … Superpower

  22. egiv profile image75
    egivposted 7 years ago

    The government would not decide if someone lives or dies, regardless of what Sarah Palin tries to cook up. Obama is not trying to create socialized healthcare or even a state-run insurance option, he is just trying to make it easier to get healthcare. Plus, if you don't want to change the insurance you have, you don't have to.

    If you don't think Obama is doing anything, you are frankly just not reading.

    1. nicomp profile image61
      nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Obama is doing plenty. He's on record to be in favor of the single-payer system (YouTube it), rather than a private option.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDAPLb-H … p;index=12

      Decide what you wanna believe.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yep.  Actually, quite as simple as that in most cases.  And they are listening to a lot of neocon talk radio.

      1. nicomp profile image61
        nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I don't like to do this because it's so trite, but...

        and you are listening to too much MSNBC and Air America.

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry, wink.  I only listen to NPR and music stations as far as radio.

          CNN, New York Times, The Atlantic, Huff Post, Washington Post, AZ Republic, Time, Newsweek, Daily Kos, Salon, New Yorker, etc., etc, etc....

          BTW, I really cannot STAND Air America.  Ever heard how liberals prefer the written word, due to the complexity factor?  Well!  It's true.  I don't like any sort of thing that suggests hate-talk spoken word.

          1. nicomp profile image61
            nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            OK, I recant. You are reading too much Huffington and Kos.

          2. tksensei profile image61
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            ...................  roll



            unbelievable...

            1. Mark Knowles profile image61
              Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No - it is true. A proven fact no less. Go figure........ wink

        2. egiv profile image75
          egivposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry, MSNBC is a joke. So is Fox news. I read newspapers. If you just disagree with his policies just on sheer principle, ok, thats fine, but don't say he is not doing anything. No matter what healthcare system he apparently favors or doesn't favor, he is pushing a plan that does NOT socialize healthcare or offer a government-run insurance company.

          1. marinealways24 profile image61
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I didn't say Obama hasn't done anything. I said he hasn't done anything right.

            -Obama operates much like a religion. Control through fear and power.

    3. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol You tell me i'm not reading because I haven't seen Obama do anything besides put us in more debt, yet you fail to list something Obama has done right. Would you like to answer that now? What has Obama done right?

      1. jiberish profile image79
        jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        EGIV,  we are reading, and frankly he is doing a lot, just NOthing that we agree with, or will benefit this country.

  23. Eaglekiwi profile image75
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Won approval of the second $350 billion *before* taking office.
    • VP Biden already made his first foreign trip *before* taking office.
    • Ordered the closing of the prison at Guantanamo Bay.
    • Ordered a pay freeze of his top staff.
    • Ordered stricter controls on lobbyists in government.
    • Ordered compliance with the Freedom of Information Act.
    • Confined interrogation techniques to those in the Army Field Manual
    • Ordered a review of auto emissions standards.
    • Met with GOP leaders of both Houses of Congress to improve the stimulus package.
    • Did an interview with Al Arabiya TV, improving our reputation in the Arab/Muslim world.
    • Called every leader in the Middle East.
    • Named George Mitchell special envoy to the Middle East. Mitchell is already on the scene.
    • Got most of his cabinet confirmed.
    • Made family planning advice more available to women in Africa.
    • Met with top business leaders, who endorsed his plan.
    • Geithner put limits on lobbying from bank who receive TARP money (something Paulson could have easily done.)
    • Signed equal pay legislation

    Copied

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      None of these "accomplishments" are on the approved FoxNews / Glen Beck list of suitable presidential endeavors, therefore you are an Anti-American, liberal poopy head for bringing them up.

      Good Day to you Madame!

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        'Sorry Officer ,it will never happen again '

    2. nicomp profile image61
      nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      350 billion we didn't have. Also acted illegally given that he was not the president at the time.
      Again, acting illegally without authorization from the White House.
      And can't get any US prison to take the guys. Evidently is was a good idea to put them there in the first place.

      While at the same time spending 350 billion we don't have. The purely symbolic act penalized his best people and accomplished nothing.

      Not all of them. Dig a little deeper.

      Bush ordered them not to?

      Putting the country in more danger.

      As if they've not been reviewed before? Presidents order reviews all the time.

      Rejected all input from those leaders and blamed them for not co-operating. Admittedly the GOP leadership is weak and ineffecitve. John Boehner cries too much.

      Still not sure why we should care about that.

      No president ever called a Middle East leader?


      We've had them before.  Former Marine Commandant and Supreme Allied Commander James Jones was appointed in 2007. Anthony Zinni held the position in 2002.


      Duh. He has a democratic majority in Congress.


      Bush increased similar funding by 15 billion during his tenure. The main difference is that Bush's plan stressed abstinence.

      The CEO of Caterpillar told reporters that Obama's plan would have no effect, implying that Obama misquoted him during a presser.


      Lobbying is free speech. Anyway, why would Geithner need to do this if Obama had already imposed new regulations on lobbying (see above)?

      He did no such thing. The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act simply extends the grace period under which an employee can sue for unfair pay practices. The legislation for equal pay was already in place, since the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Typing disagree would have been faster lol

        But hey Bush has gone , do we agree on that yet?

        1. nicomp profile image61
          nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It sure would have!



          We sure can agree! Now if we can just get the Liberals/Progressives/Democrats to stop giving Obama a pass for blaming Bush!

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
            Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I was afraid Bush lost the plot and put America more at risk for war that is why I celebrated when Obama won, the rest with the right congress ,and strong leadership ,at least trust (Internationally) and Nationally offers hope where it was waning.

      2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You and I said virtually the same thing.  I just said it more succinctly.

  24. Davinagirl3 profile image60
    Davinagirl3posted 7 years ago

    I love Eaglekiwi!

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ditto

  25. tksensei profile image61
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    "a proven fact"


    .............  roll

    1. ahmu profile image59
      ahmuposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You sure whine a lot.  This whole thing is filled with your conniption fits.  Get a hobby outside of the computer, and let other people express their opinions for a change.

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Uh Oh!

  26. jiberish profile image79
    jiberishposted 7 years ago

    Eaglekiwi wrote:

    • Ordered a pay freeze of his top staff.

    ????????? didn't they just get a pay increase?

  27. AsherKade profile image79
    AsherKadeposted 7 years ago

    http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/Obama-Stickers.jpg

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol

  28. shazz01109 profile image61
    shazz01109posted 7 years ago

    I didn't vote for Obama, but one think that I think that he's doing right is going ahead with withdrawing troops from Iraq, and trying to step it up in Afghanistan. 
    Shazz

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I do agree mostly with this comment. One thing I will say is that me or you will likely never know the true agenda behind our wars.

      1. nicomp profile image61
        nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Gassing thousands of Kurds and repeatedly violating the no-fly zone was a good start.

        1. shazz01109 profile image61
          shazz01109posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Would you same the same for the islamists and extremists who kill innocent babies and civilians?

          1. nicomp profile image61
            nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Would I say what?

  29. Vladimir Uhri profile image60
    Vladimir Uhriposted 7 years ago

    I have somewhat different explanation. We do not need British to tell us what is good or not for us. The crisis was artefficially created. Crisis leads to take over of our private business. Additionally God was removed from the schools and public areas. It means growing materialism and loving money, which is root of evil. It hiking cost up. It make shortage ala carte socialism.
    Nobody see that it drive doctors out of business. I will tell you my story. We billed to Nursing home 9 patients to medicate. The charges for routine fallow up visits were total $1,400.00. We got two checks. There were 39 cents for two poststamps. We received 5 cents x 2. Total 10 cents. How do you like them apples? I know two companies CEO (one is medical insurance)who got last 2 years increase salary from 800.000 to 2.6 milion/year. Can one figure it out numbers? Well your some turkies, Bush made a lot of money but he has oil on his backyeard. All got upset about him due to propaganda. One should find how much money Obama has. But of course He is promised savior. I do not vote for lawyer, senator, or socialist to be my president.
    There will be troubles. Just watch. In Soviet Union there were few Doctors. Rest were felchiars. It means physician assistants. They are still treating people with leaches. There was and is that old people died they do not need treatment any more they are old. They do not need hip replacement or bypass surgery. This is what is going happen here. Nothing is good what government is running. Our founders work at home not arguing whole year about insignificant matters. They left morality to churches.
        I think I said enough.

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The voice of experience.

  30. Eternal Evolution profile image86
    Eternal Evolutionposted 7 years ago

    I don't feel he has done anything right thus far

  31. pylos26 profile image77
    pylos26posted 7 years ago

    it will most likely take 4-5 presidential terms to rid american mouths of the foul taste of bubyee and the republican party.

  32. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    He kept a ditzy "pitbull with lipstick" from being a heart attack away from posessing nuclear launch codes.  Hell, he can take a 3 1/2 year nap now and we will still owe him our lives.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Very funny.... yet true! smile

  33. jennyjackson profile image60
    jennyjacksonposted 7 years ago

    I think Obama has done a great job so far. There may have been a lot of hype, true, but he's doing the best he can.

    1. tksensei profile image61
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      A great job at what?

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    ralwusposted 7 years ago

    At the dire risk of being stoned the one answer I do have that is not debatable is....he won the election. That was right, right? sheesh this place is hell, and I thought it was Mexico.

  35. jennyjackson profile image60
    jennyjacksonposted 7 years ago

    I really think Obama is trying to do the right thing. First people love him, then they wan't to crucify him. There really is no winning when you are the president. Pretty much no matter what he does, people will be unhappy!

  36. ReuVera profile image84
    ReuVeraposted 7 years ago

    Okay, I didn't read all the posts (is it possible at all?), it was because of the thread's title I came here.
    This is what is going to be on September 8th....

    http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/02/ob … ft-behind/

    Quote- "…parents have every right to worry about their children being used as Political Guinea Pigs for Change".

    I was a young political guinea pig way back in my childhood in USSR. All my friends were, mandatory. Thanks to my family and surroundings that were always in silent opposition, I didn't grow up brainwashed. But I also learnt to keep my mouth shut.

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